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sintax Donating Member (891 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:55 PM
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House Votes Against Early Iraq Withdrawal
House Votes Against Early Iraq Withdrawal


Thursday July 21, 2005 12:31 AM

By JIM ABRAMS

Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Calls for an early withdrawal from Iraq are a mistake that will only embolden terrorists, the House resolved Wednesday. The resolution drew opposition from Democrats, who said it implied that questioning President Bush's Iraq policies is unpatriotic.

The measure, approved 291-137, says the United States should leave Iraq only when national security and foreign policy goals related to a free and stable Iraq have been achieved.

``Calls for an early withdrawal embolden the terrorists and undermine the morale'' of U.S. and allied forces and put their security at risk, the amendment to a State Department bill reads.

The GOP-controlled House also voted 304-124 to accept another contentious amendment stating that the detention and lawful interrogation of detainees at Guantanamo is essential to the war on terrorism. Some critics of reported prisoner abuse and lack of legal recourse for detainees have called for Guantanamo to be closed.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-515...
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:57 PM
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1. "I promise, I'll pull out!........"
"Oops!"
:evilgrin:
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:58 PM
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2. Republicans do not favor premature ejection. nt
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:04 PM
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3. Got it
Roll call:

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll397.xml

I see Walter "Freedom Fries" Jones wussed out on this one and just answered "present"
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:04 PM
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4. The bill is H.R. 2601 Ros-Lehtinen amendment.
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 07:07 PM by Carolab
I watched this travesty live today.

According to Kucinich, "it will leave us in Iraq forever".

Yet, 71 "Democrats" voted "AYE".

WTF is going on?
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sintax Donating Member (891 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:06 PM
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5. Payola
Almost all are on the take. Iraq is a money maker for a whole host of companies that fund a whole lot of politicians.
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sled Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:17 PM
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9. Uh???
They're spineless Republicrat cowards??? Every last one of them...
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:11 PM
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6. A personal message to all GOP House Members...
Your transparent attempt to suppress dissent is odious, and won't work. Go fuck yourselves.

- B
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:17 PM
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8. .....
Umm, that include the 7 who voted against it?

Just askin ;)
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 07:26 AM
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15. Okay
The seven get a dispensation, but just for this vote.

- B
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:13 PM
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7. Oh, So up to NOW, they have NOT been EMBOLDENED?!!@
What the hell do you call what HAS been going on??! A Peace Party?!
They can't bear Iraqi-interuptus...like were NOT at major risk already??!! What does it take-another Halliburton deal for Cheney before exit plans are on the table??!!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:32 PM
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10. Is this Congress voting as their constituents want cause
according to the Polls these Americans want to get the hell out of there!!!
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:36 PM
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11. True
I think more needs to be said about those who ARE working and voting to bring them home in the House. A lot of them are the same ones standing with Conyers over DSM.

To those, I say: :yourock:
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:05 PM
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12. Well, then, they might as well get ready for kicked out, sooner
or later.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:20 PM
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13. So, anyone know exactly what the goals are? I mean, hey Shrub's
always movin' the goal posts.

...only when national security and foreign policy goals related to a free and stable Iraq have been achieved.

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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:33 PM
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14. Idiots.
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ChrisK Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:26 AM
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16. The men and women voting to stay sound like gambleholics?
"the United States should leave Iraq only when national security and foreign policy goals related to a free and stable Iraq have been achieved"...So its getting worse there and the best recourse is to keep "playing"?

One of the main reasons for the fighting thats going on there right now is because we WOULDN'T leave..It's like being at a friends house and you ask them why there mad and they say "because you wouldn't leave"..so you stay longer.

I understand wanting to make sure we don't leave the country in a shambles but come on...

A time-table MIGHT get some things in order in the country but I really can't say for sure...Staying just seems masochistic in my opinion.
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adubadee Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 10:21 AM
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17.  north and south
This wont stop the Brits from splitting. How do you think the US will fair when they have to watch the whole country. I don't think it will be very pretty.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 10:22 AM
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18. staying there seems to be doing wonders
Let's ask the people of London what they think?
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 10:32 AM
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20. Yes, a pull-out would "embolden" terraists
Well gee, I thought the WAR "emboldened" terrorists. The Royal Institute for International Affairs seems to agree.
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 10:29 AM
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19. Oh Jeesus
"the United States should leave Iraq only when national security and foreign policy goals related to a free and stable Iraq have been achieved."

In other words, NEVER. What an incredibly STUPID resolution. This is just what the neocons want: US committed to stay in Iraq until it is "stable", which it won't be as long as US troops are stationed there. We stole it, it's ours.

Of course, with the new-found love between Iraq and Iran, the neo-cons can't pull out without looking like complete idiots for doing "Axis of Evil" Iran the biggest favor they could ever ask for.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 10:36 AM
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21. Okay, who voted for this Vietnam-style "stay the course" POS?
Let's have names!
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