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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:15 PM
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Man Kills Waitress Over Letter to Editor in Local Paper
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Man Kills Waitress Over Letter to Editor in Local Paper

By E&P Staff

NEW YORK A well-known resident of Hominy, Okla., walked into a local diner Tuesday afternoon and shot a pregnant waitress, 26-year-old Becky Clements, in the head, then shot her again in the stomach and chest. Sheriff Ty Koch said the motive is apparently a recent letter to the editor of the Hominy newspaper, the News Progress, written by the woman.

Osage County authorities say they'll ask for two first-degree murder charges against 63-year-old Roy Westbrook.
Westbrook was recently honored by the newspaper as Hominy's 2004 Citizen of the year.

Clemens was 11 weeks pregnant.

The newspaper is a weekly with a circulation of about 1,500.

The letter from the dead woman had said local vandalism is done by prominent citizens and referred to spray-painted graffiti on a rental home owned by Westbrook, although it did not name him. The letter did say the spray-painting was done by the owner.

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getmeouttahere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:17 PM
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1. Ah, the culture of life....
we will ALWAYS be victims of gun violence because we are so gun crazy there is no going back
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tmooses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:19 PM
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4. I'm sure the NRA/gun nuts would say she should have been packing
while she was serving those tables.
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:50 PM
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13. Nah, but I'd suggest gun laws wouldn't have prevented it.
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 12:52 PM by sybylla
This was seriously premeditated. If he couldn't have taken her out with a gun, no doubt a large knife would have sufficed.

And I would add that gun restrictions and background checks wouldn't have likely refused ownership to a "prominent citizen."

Some people just do bad things and they'll do it with whatever tools are available.

My sympathies to the victim's family and my best wishes to the DA prosecuting the murderer.


on edit: I'm not a member of the NRA but I do own guns so as that usually qualifies me to be a "gun nut" in the minds of people who use that term liberally, I thought that qualified me to answer. If not, pardon my intrusion into your rant.
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getmeouttahere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:00 PM
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19. It's cool, I'm not really for too much gun control anyway....
after all, Canadians have tons of guns and have 1/1,000th the amount of gun violence as we do. It's the mentality that we have, that guns (specifically guns made only for killing) are ok and the answer.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:06 PM
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22. A young woman could have out-run an old bastard
with a knife. Your reasoning doesn't quite square with reality on that one.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:21 PM
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27. self-delete
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 01:22 PM by Zhade
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:42 PM
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31. Not if he walked up quickly, pulled it out and stabbed her.
There is a certain freeze response that many people exhibit when confronted with the terrorizing aspect of a knife being pulled on them.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:13 PM
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38. Easier for others to provide assistance to the victim
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:07 PM
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44. Yes, there are all kinds of scenarios one can describe involving a knife
There's basically only one (well, two if she survives, however unlikely that is) when you bring a gun into it.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:23 PM
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35. You are probably correct but guns just make it soooo much easier
:shrug: Why is it America is alone in this behavior?
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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:32 PM
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36. If I Had My Choice
I'd choose to be attacked with a knife,myself, rather than a gun. At least I'd have a fighting chance.
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:24 PM
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40. I don't know about anyone else, but
I'd much rather be attacked by a man with a knife rather than with a gun. It's MUCH easier to outrun a knife than a bullet.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:16 PM
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34. Citizen of the year my ass
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:18 PM
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2. What is wrong with speaking out?
:wtf:
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:18 PM
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3. I heard about this...
last night on the local news, but they didn't give a motive. This guy sounds pretty unbalanced to me.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:25 PM
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5. Wow! Citizen of the Year just fell from his pedestal
The guy is either crazy as a loon or has some serious anger management issues.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:29 PM
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6. 100% guaranteed that he is a Republican...
Surprising that he didn't molest the baby before he shot the mother.
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PunkPop Donating Member (847 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:40 PM
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8. Now, now. We shouldn't assume.
But no way would I bet against it.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:32 PM
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7. Here's a link to a short summary from KOTV Tulsa nearby
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:40 PM
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9. Thats horrible.
I guess she was right about him.

Wanna bet this "citizen of the year" was church going Pube too?
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:44 PM
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10. There goes the liberal media again...
Why don't they report about all of the pregnant waitresses who weren't shot dead that day. The vast majority of pregnant waitresses were Not Shot Dead. A few may have been shot dead, but those dead pregnant waitresses are far in the minority.
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chebychev Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:45 PM
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11. More fuel for the anti-choicers!
Every time a murder charge is filed on behalf of a fetus (NOT a life), our cause is damaged. It's a FETUS! Not a BABY, goddammit!
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:48 PM
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12. Citizen of the Year????


A vandal and a murderer.

As this woman's sister was the tenant of this lunatic's house, she probably knew of what she wrote to the paper.

I do hope this "model citizen" learns lots about the inside of a cell for the remainder of his life.

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dryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:51 PM
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15. Folks...
this is a horrible tragedy.
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:29 PM
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41. I've never seen a democrat that ugly before. Proof positive it's a puke!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 05:03 PM
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50. Does anyone have the letter to the editor.....that prompted this madman?
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:51 PM
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I wonder what the subject of the graffiti was?
Political, religious, racial? The article doesn't say, but it may be a telling detail.
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:51 PM
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14. Will this be the case roberts gets to overturn roe v wade with?
Notice they will be charging this guy with 2 counts of first-degree murder, one of which will be for an 11 week old fetus. Westbrook's atty will "fight" that count saying an 11 week old fetus has no rights due to roe v wade, and the new & "improved" SCOTUS will HAVE to overturn roe so that Baby Clements can get justice.

Clements? Wasn't the leaked SC nom's name Clement? BRB.


:tinfoilhat:


OK, I'm better now.
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:02 PM
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20. You're not alone
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:05 PM
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21. Yeah I read that. And nice cross posting job btw!
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:56 PM
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16. Let's sic that nut-case commentator Nancy Grace on it this evening
on CNN? No, it doesn't sparkle enough ... well unless the waitress is blond haired, blue eyed with wealthy family collections.

Bummer? Guess we'll still be hearing about that rich blond Alabama woman missing in Aruba. :boring:
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:56 PM
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17. All I got to say is
Becky Clement's letter seems it was likely the truth. Nothing hurts like the truth.
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PunkPop Donating Member (847 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:58 PM
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18. Another case severely testing my opposition to the death penalty nt
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:07 PM
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23. .
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 01:08 PM by Algorem
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:12 PM
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24. I wish papers would publish letters anonymously
They used to (you could sign them things like "a concerned citizen" and so forth.) Now they insist on putting your name in, which I feel is a disincentive to writing.
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sojourner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:19 PM
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26. And that's the point! You can be hunted down like the yellow dog liberal
baby-killin' commie-lovin' (oops, I meant terra-ist lovin') socialist rat that they know you are. Just like Ms. Clement.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:20 PM
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39. Our paper has an anonymous "cheers and jeers" section.
You can write things like that, as long as you don't use people's names or use blatant personal attacks. A citizen could write, with secrecy: Jeers to so-called prominent citizens who stoop to painting graffiti on their own rental units. Or something like that.. I would never write a letter such as that poor woman did, for fear of some loony ass murder coming after me.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:18 PM
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25. That makes him eligible to be treated like an "enemy combatant"
And with that honorarium comes the tasty meals he'll get at Gitmo. I'm sure they'll let him watch Fox News in his cell.
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:38 PM
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28. It's her fault for not having a gun cocked and ready in case stuff
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 01:39 PM by bushisanidiot
like this happens. everyone in america should carry a gun! especially pregnant women and children!!!


GUNS! GUNS! GUNS!!!

puke.
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getmeouttahere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:40 PM
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30. The "puke" signals sarcasm, right?
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:43 PM
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32. The "puke" is for the gun freaks.
i'll bet the nutso old man was a card-carrying NRA member.

you can't drink and drive, but you can drink and carry a gun.

buncha crazies guntards.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:40 PM
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29. bush culture= speaking out, speaking the truth, is un-American.
it's the culture of shut up or die.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:06 PM
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33. Can anyone find a link to the editorial she wrote?
I've tried a google search, but it turns up nothing.

I'd be interested in reading what she wrote.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:42 PM
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37. He was trying to evict her.
I wonder why.

Nothing could ever justify what he did, yet I can't help but wonder what history of antagonism is here and what else we don't know about in this case.

I had a landlord once, many years ago, who was sweet as pie until I gave him notice that I was moving. All of a sudden, strang things started happening around the house. He came in while I was at work and removed fuses so that there would be no lights when I got home. He causes minor damage to various parts of the house and property, I guess in the hope of blaming me for it. The day we moved, I left in the van and planned to return for my car later that evening, but he had it towed as "abandoned" as soon as I was out of sight. I had to get it back from the police impound yard. It was really a very strange and upsetting experience.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:32 PM
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42. Crazy landlords are a good reason for buying your own home.
Most landlords are ok, but there are some irresponsible ones out there. Same goes for tenants, I guess.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:51 PM
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43. That's for sure
My last (and I mean VERY last) landlord was a psycho.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:20 PM
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46. Definitely.
I was a landlord once and hope to never find myself in that position ever again. Two out of three tenants were disasterous! Thank goodness the housing market came back and we could unload the place.
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Susang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 05:08 PM
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51. No, he was trying to evict her sister
At least that's what the linked article stated. Apparently, she believed that he spray painted graffiti on the side of the rented house in an attempt to gain a reason for the eviction. Considering his violent response, I'd say she might have been on to something.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:17 PM
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45. Frightening, terrible
A young woman and her baby - dead, murdered. All because the woman exercised her 1st amendment right to free speech. And, given the outcome, she was probably right in the first place.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:22 PM
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47. Highly disconcerting and tragic.
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:37 PM
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48. ANONYMOUS LLTE's in your town allowed?; plus, how 2 end all Lanlrd ownrshp
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 04:51 PM by oscar111
LL is landlords.

I have seen awful ones. The laws protecting tennants mean to me, "if you try to get your rights, you get tossed out on some pretext", so really,

tennant rights are nonexistant.

it is HOUSE DICTATORSHIP in reality.

Condi's "freedoms"? Nonexistant. Look at reality. Also, "the poor man is everyone's slave". No freedom for the 15% in poverty, none at all.

Anyone know of ways to end LL pattern of ownership of apartment?
Off the top of my head, one could use Eminent Domain to convert every apartment to a condo, with the state paying the LL fair value, and then all rent applying to purchase from the state. Equity would also be portable if one moves.

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LTTE'S... let the paper require your name so the editor can know who sent it, but then it should publish with a pen name if you want to. Ben Franklin used "Mrs. Dogwood", right?
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:40 PM
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49. No, my paper does not run anonymous letters.
They used to have a "cheers" and "jeers" section but even that had names on it.
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