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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 01:59 AM
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Thought Toddler Gay, Dad Kills Son
"(Tampa, Florida) A 21 year old Tampa man is charged with murder after his 3-year old son was pummeled into unconsciousness and then died.

Ronnie Paris Jr. went on trial for his own life this week in a Tampa courtroom. The toddler's mother, Nysheerah Paris, testified that her husband thought the boy might be gay and would force him to box.

Nysheerah Paris told the court that Paris would make the boy fight with him, slapping the child in the head until he cried or wet himself. She said that on one occasion Paris slammed the child against a wall because he was vomiting.

The court was told there had been a history of abuse by Paris. Prosecutor Jalal Harb said that in 2002, the Florida Department of Children & Families placed the child in protective custody after he had been admitted to the hospital several times for vomiting.
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more here: http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/07/071405childMurd.htm

I don't know that there are words to describe the disgust I feel!
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:02 AM
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1. ...
:wow:

:cry:
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 05:04 PM
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151. check this statement....
"The couple took him to a friend's house for Bible study. The boy spent most of the day asleep on the couch. They had just ordered pizza for dinner when she noticed something was wrong with her son."

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/07/13/Hillsborough/Mom_test...

bible study, oh my god.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 05:36 PM
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158. of COURSE bible studies
two-pronged attack trying to "cure" his gayness. 1. Beat the shit out of him. 2. Have God cure his gayness.

Ain't conservatism great?

:puke:
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:02 AM
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2. "I don't know that there are words ...
to describe the disgust I feel!"

I have two. Death penalty.
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Logician Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:57 AM
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42. Effects of Socialized/Population-Level Homophobia
Totally horrible, brings tears to my eyes. What a monster.

This just shows how much education needs to be done to erase homophobia. A country in which, from the top down, condones discrimination and second-class status to LGBT persons is the breeding ground for continued violence.

How to craft these intervention messages, and how to deliver them to target groups who are threatened (somehow) by gays and lesbians-- this is the real goal.

When religion (the Christo-Nazis) and our government (Bushco) corroborate on a campaign of hatred and fear, we need a true revolution of information targeted to all Americans-- but especially those who believe that there are no LGBT folks in their life, or who are their neigbors....

In Massachusetts, the focus on gay marriage in the past year has familiarized so many previously intolerant people with LGBT people, their families, and their dreams (common ones)-- that there is much less opposition left to gay marriage here.


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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:20 AM
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51. Indeed! "From The Top Down..."
<< A country in which, from the top down, condones discrimination and second-class status to LGBT persons is the breeding ground for continued violence. >>

Starting with our government officials and particularly with RELIGIOUS LEADERS. They all create, foster and contribute to the climate of intolerance, hostility and violence toward GLBT people.

Equally culpable are those within the political system, AND within their religion who do nothing and say nothing... thereby offering their consent and approval.

It sickens me. I'm so sad for that child.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:06 AM
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59. Forget The Homophobia For One Second. This Guy Had Rage Issues
that would have been set off on something.

Not disagreeing with your statements in the least.

Just trying to highlight that unbridled rage can find any excuse to manifest as violence.

IIRC, Janeane Garafolo (sp?) said on a PBS tv program that violence against gays has risen 25% in last 5 Bush years. :(
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 01:53 PM
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78. This administration
Since his "elections," it has become an "open season" on gays. It is still acceptable for many to harm, maim, or even kill gays. Violence against gays is a very serious problem, but never in my wildest nightmares would I thought I would have ever read something like this.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:00 PM
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79. Guys like this are giving ME rage issues
You're right, but having the homophobia makes it easier.

Now, excuse me while I go lose my lunch. And then beat some pillows to pulp.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:02 PM
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112. "focus on gay marriage "
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 07:05 PM by madeline_con
A bit off topic, this post of mine. BUT how does the homophobe community justify claims that allowing gays to marry would destroy the institution?

Are they afraid less hetero couples would marry for some strange reason? Do you have any info on this?

EDIT added:

BTW, from what I hear from the homophobes I know, they seem to think gay = rapist or some such bull as that. Also, the worst thing for some 'phobes is the idea that a same sex individual might find them attractive. :eyes:
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:25 AM
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64. can you say jerry fahlwell...pat robertson and their evil clones
popping up on every corner in florida and in the south preaching hate and giving evil people like this man delusional reasons to hate and kill.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #64
86. But don't ever mention the catholic church! God forbid we would start any
imagined "catholic bashing"!

God forbid!
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:59 PM
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111. "... reasons to hate and kill. "
I thought about this disgusting situation earlier today. Has the accused expressed that he did this because of something some fundie said?

Could be a case of plain old ignorant homophobia. (I can't EVEN imagine what a child his age could possibly do to cause someone to think he might be gay.)

The killer should be charged with a hate crime, and the DP sought, IMO.
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r0x0r Mc0wnage Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 04:15 PM
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155. I don't need to imagine
I see it every Sunday living in Pensacola Florida: Old men in black robes carrying around 10' wooden crosses, 4 year olds in tuxedos thumping bibles, Book-wielding balding men in bow ties raving about fire and brimstone standing on the median at every traffic light as cars with Jesus hates fags/commies/Democrats bumper stickers next to their Jesus loves you license plates cruise by blasting their $19.95 Creed album.

Since 1980, fundamentalist Christian terrorists have staged 4 bombings and 2 assassinations in this city.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:03 AM
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3. Shockingly evil.
I think about as little of humankind as a person possibly can, and my opinion continues to drop daily.

This story literally makes me nauseous.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 04:58 PM
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150. yeah, but look at his picture, he looks soooo sad.
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Tweed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:06 AM
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4. How the hell do you decide a three year old is gay?
He liked dolls more than GI Joes?
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 04:41 AM
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27. Whi knows what the father did to him to find that out?
Poor kid.

http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13
Buttons for brainy people - educate your local freepers today!

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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 05:07 PM
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106. Extremely ill person looking for 'reasons' to abuse
there are NO reasons.
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Mizmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 07:23 AM
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143. He's not mentally ill
Most mentally ill people are content to hurt themselves. This man is evil.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:22 PM
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116. All 3 y.o. boys are pretty non-gendered in their behavior.
My son mimics his older sister and me, and it's become a family joke. He has his dollies (calls them his buddies most of the time), and he has always loved to pretend to cook.

If his son acted like that, he was just like all other 3 y.o. boys. But honestly, who the hell cares if he's gay or not? He was his son, for pete's sake, and that should trump everything.

I'm just ill. That poor little boy dying such a sickening, horrible death because of his father's rage and sickness.
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rawtribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:06 AM
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5. Thank you
*, Farwell, Dobson, Robertson, etc. Yes you are as guilty as this sick father!


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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:11 AM
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7. You took the words out of my mouth.
That poor child.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:29 PM
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87. But don't mention the catholic church.
Shhhhh!
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rawtribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:56 AM
Response to Reply #87
135. I guess it's
because all these cults are the same in my eyes. Religion is the root of all evil.

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:10 AM
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6. damndamndamndamndamndamn
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:12 AM
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8. I feel so ill after reading this story... What, I don't understand is, why
in the world, FL protective service sent the child back to parent. Father is a one sick baster and I hope he gets the punishment he deserve.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:28 AM
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13. It's Florida, that's why
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:08 AM
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46. Yeah. Too bad they didn't "lose" this kid. He might have had a chance.
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greekspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:57 AM
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68. "Its Florida" is no excuse
This is disgusting, and if "its Florida" is part of the problem, it is time to go down to the corner of Apalachee and Monroe here in Tallahassee (in front of the state capitol) and march for changes in the system.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:07 PM
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113. "It's Florida, that's why"
Yes, because all the fucked up "drifters" pedophiles and other deviants always seem to find their way to the Sunshine State.

I'm sure you didn't mean to disparage honest, mentally sound, law-abiding Floridians. ??
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:16 AM
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23. Believe me, there is no possible way this person will ever get the
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 03:19 AM by TheWatcher
punishment he truly deserves.

Such a punishment has not been concieved of yet.

NO punishment would be painful or cruel enough for this piece of human waste.

He is garbage.

And garbage should be disposed of.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:10 PM
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114. "NO punishment would be painful or cruel enough ..."
Oh, I don't know about that. I can think of several ways to use him to kill an afternoon or three. He'd be begging to die... :evilgrin:
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PinkPantherChick Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:28 PM
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124. Do you just do child freaks or can you do cruel sadistic husbands too?
Kidding. Not. Kidding. Not.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 03:07 AM
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137. I've considered diversifying.
:evilgrin:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:31 PM
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129. Oh, I have conceived of a perfect punishment ...........
it involves restraints, a #15 scalpel blade, and battery acid.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:21 PM
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82. The punishment he deserves
I am against the Death Penalty, but it's very, very difficult for me to care much about men like this.

I will say, though, that thre is no doubt in my mind that this man was himself a badly abused child. We HAVE to stop the cycle of abuse. We must. Had this child lived, he would have stood a very good chance of becoming a child abuser himself. Probably a wife beater as well. Perhaps criminally involved in other things too.

This kind of home environment DESTROYS people, and ruins their chances for anything approaching a happy, productive, successful life. It's not fair -- no child deserves to have

It's one of the things I absolutely loved about Howard Dean -- and couldn't understand why people didn't consider him a Progressive. Once as governor he was faced with the necessity of raising the prison budget by some 16%. He did NOT want to, but was finally persuaded he had no choice. So in response he instituted a little program that was wildly successful. For just $100 per year per child, child abuse rates were cut by 47% and child sexual abuse by 72%. Those are utterly INCREDIBLE figures. And not only are those children happier NOW, not only will their adult lives be more successful, productive and fulfilled, but Vermont's prisons will need less money and other social services or social ills and costs will be dramatically decreased as well. $100 per year per child.

The program itself? Simple: every new mother got a visit in the hospital and the OFFER of a follo-up visit at home. During the follow-up visits she was offered whatever services she and her family needed, whether job training, food stamps, parenting skills classes, etc. $100 per year per child. Unbelievable return on investment. We should all be marching in the streets demanding such a program in our state.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:39 PM
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92. What Dr. Dean instituted is exactly what is effective.
Literally, ignorance kills or seriously harms.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #82
117. Damn straight!
I worked for DFA here in Kalamazoo just for that program. When I read about that, that was all it took for him to get my vote and my time.

That's exactly what we need. How is that not pro-life, pro-family, and good for our culture? You'd think even Republicans would get on board for that one.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #82
122. Early in the primary season
I saw the good Dr. Dean at a very small forum. In answering a question from the group, he relayed the statistics you repeat. I was so damned impressed that a program that simple could produce those results - that was it! - sign me up, where's my checkbook?
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:38 PM
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90. I probably do, but it would take me a weekend to explain.
I was a social worker for 7 years, and currently I clerk for a law firm that sometimes represents the kid, sometimes the parent.

Bottom line: justifiably so, the standard of evidence to keep a child away from a parent is very high, and sometimes, people put up a great facade (that's the sentence explanation).

It does not justify, but perhaps explains.

Calling things correctly is so difficult that the Supreme Court ruled that the Dept is not liable for children who are in the custody of their parents, unless they are dependents of the court. So, tragically, a Dept is safer legally keeping the child with the parents.

Hope that in some way explained the difficulty.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:13 AM
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9. Here's a longer article, if you can take it....... (so sad)
Mom testifies dad beat their 3-year-old son
She says she originally kept quiet about the abuse because she didn't want to get him in trouble.
By CANDACE RONDEAUX, Times Staff Writer
Published July 13, 2005


TAMPA - Nysheerah Paris didn't say anything about the beatings at first. She didn't want to get in trouble. She wanted something good to happen, for her son to come back, for him to start breathing on his own. She wanted him to be "Little Ronnie" again - his father's first and only son.

But 3-year-old Ronnie Paris didn't come back that day, or the next. Instead, he died Jan. 28 after he was taken off life support at St. Joseph's Hospital.

The boy's death came a week after his father gave him the beating of his life, prosecutors say.

It has been five months since Ronnie B. Paris Jr. was charged with murdering his son. On Tuesday, the boy's mother testified against him in court. She did not remember much about the six weeks she spent with her son after caseworkers moved the boy back to his parents' home from foster care. But she said she remembered the day she saw Paris Jr., 21, beat her son to death.
(snip/...)

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/07/13/Hillsborough/Mom_test...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dad Boxed With 3-Year-Old, Mom Says In Murder Trial

By BEN MONTGOMERY bmontgomery@tampatrib.com
Published: Jul 13, 2005

TAMPA - Even though the boy would shake and wet himself, his father, Ronnie Paris Jr., would box with the 3-year-old, slapping him in the head until he cried because he didn't want his son to grow up to be ``a sissy,'' the boy's mother testified Monday.
Others corroborated Nysheerah Paris' testimony as the prosecution built its case during the first day of the capital murder trial of Ronnie Paris Jr., 21, accused of abusing 3-year- old Ronnie Paris until the boy slipped into a coma Jan. 22.

He died six days later with swelling on both sides of his brain.

``He was trying to teach him how to fight,'' said Shanita Powell, Nysheerah Paris' sister. ``He was concerned that the child might be gay.''

Even Sheldon Bostic, who was Ronnie Paris Jr.'s Bible- study friend, said he warned the father several times not to play so rough with his son.

``He really did what other fathers do - slap box,'' Bostic said. ``He always said he didn't want his son growing up to be pushed around.''
(snip/...)
http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBV5C523BE.html
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:19 AM
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10. I don't know I can read more.
I could barely get through the article I posted. I don't know I can read another take on it. I am so beyond repulsed! A three year old?! What in the Hell possessed this sick piece of human flotsam?

""He always said he didn't want his son growing up to be pushed around.''" I guess that won't be an issue now.
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phylny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 05:28 AM
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29. Oh, yeah, my husband slap-boxes with the kids all the time.
After all, it's what other fathers do, right?

:mad:
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:22 AM
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36. Hey, his Bible-study friend seems to think all fathers do that
My dad never slap-boxed me as a kid, but then he didn't go to a Florida Bible-study group.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:11 AM
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48. Sickening. Three year olds need their parents to protect them, not
self-defense instruction.
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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:31 AM
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74. So that's why we have gay people!
Their fathers never slapped the living shit out of them!! Who knew that was the cure? :sarcasm:

If my husband ever did that to our 3-year old it would be him in the hospital! Luckily, I married a sane person so never had to worry about that.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:28 PM
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118. Mine too.
We may get mad at our kids, but trying to teach little ones to hit? Isn't that what I spend all day trying to get them not to do?

That man has serious issues. He needs help to make sure he never has another child and help to realize the awful sin he committed. He's in a Bible study group and doesn't know any better? That's sick.
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moggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:08 AM
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33. "She didn't want to get in trouble"
What's the betting that the guy beat her regularly too?
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:09 PM
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80. "What's the betting that the guy beat her regularly too?"
That was my thought too. I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that she was getting beat just as bad as the child. This sickens me. It sickens me that domestic violence such as this continues to perpetuate. :grr:
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:31 PM
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88. Yep - she was also "defective" for "producing" a "defective" child.
Sickening
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Amaya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:17 AM
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34. The mother is culpable in this murdered.
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 06:17 AM by Amaya
How can a mother stand there and watch while her child is being beaten to death?

She needs to be held accountable as well.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:13 AM
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49. She has been charged with felony child neglect.
according to the article.
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:17 AM
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63. This should ge into the mainstream press for broader coverage
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:13 AM
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73. His Jr. Bible study friend said this?
""He really did what other fathers do - slap box,'' Bostic said. "He always said he didn't want his son growing up to be pushed around.""

Whatever happened to turn the other cheek?

I never did this with my son, and my dad never did it with me. Unless Florida is a mighty strange place, I can't believe that too many fathers fight ('slap-box') with their 3 year olds.
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:47 PM
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95. This line
"The boy's death came a week after his father gave him the beating of his life, prosecutors say"

should read

"The boy's death came a week after his father gave him the beating of his death, prosecutors say"
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:20 AM
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11. Nominated. As heartbreaking as it is to read this
I think that others need to be made aware of the results of the "Culture War" which is basically a glorified reactionary jihad.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:32 AM
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16. It's so horrible
I passed it around too. :cry: A little boy! When my brother was little he played with my Rainbow Brite doll but he likes girls now. My cousin when she was younger was the biggest tomboy I knew. She wore hats, her hair in a ponytail and even boy clothes and shoes but she's now married to a man and dresses a lil more girly. This attitude is so disgusting and is very horrible. We have to make people aware though of what this mentality does. Spread this around everywhere. That poor little boy never had a chance to even prove he was straight. :cry:
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msmcghee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:59 AM
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58. Are you suggesting that . .
. . if girly boys are allowed to grow up then they will probably turn out all right? i.e not gay?

Are you suggesting that . . if he did have a chance to grow up and prove he was straight then he could have avoided being killed?

What if he grew up to be gay? Would the father have been justified in killing him then?

Please explain your post.
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Gay Green Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:32 PM
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89. That poor little boy never had a chance to even prove he was straight.
So if he turned out gay would the dad have a right to kill him then?

'Splain, '82.
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SnowBack Donating Member (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:13 AM
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136. I'd like an explanation too...
Cuz your message certainly comes across as anti-Gay :cry:
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 05:03 PM
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105. I nominate the child killer
for a Darwin award.

:mad:
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:27 AM
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12. His prison cell should be opened to the general prison population.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:29 AM
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14. holy shit one of the worst stories I've seen!
that is just so incredibly bizarre and sad. wow. wow.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:29 AM
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15. I hope that the mother is convicted as well -
she is just as guilty.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:34 AM
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17. I thought the same.
To stand by and let this happen is almost as bad. I can't believe that this has even happened. I can't wrap my mind around this. I am currently pissed at my Quaker (bird) because she keeps screeching, but I have NEVER hurt her. I can't imagine purposely hurting an animal, how do people justify it when they do this to humans?
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Darwins Finch Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:50 AM
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40. OT
I am currently pissed at my Quaker (bird) because she keeps screeching

A friend of mine had the same problem with a bird of that kind. But he also had an African Grey, and it when it got tired of the noise it would tell the Quaker to "shut up" as well. :)

(And I concur - abusing an animal or child is a sign of a weak person who cannot master their own issues, and who acts our their failings by victimising those who cannot defend themselves.)
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booksenkatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 05:34 AM
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30. Yes, she is just as guilty
Why in the hell is she telling us about all of this horror after the fact? She is as guilty as the male individual is (he is no father and he is no parent, am not sure what word to use).

I could not read all of the details, I'm afraid, as I am completely unable to process either the abuse or the "reason" for it. I wish I believed in Hell.

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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:14 AM
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50. According to the article, she's been charged with felony child neglect.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:10 AM
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55. Just in case they don't get the death penalty or life imprisonment,
they should both be sterilized as well to lessen the chances that they will ever have the opportunity to subject another child to this kind of torture. These are two SICK human beings.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:41 AM
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18. The fundie "Christians" have set the stage for more events like this
by making themselves the judges and juries of every human being who comes before their feverish eyes.

If they spent more time studying their Bibles they wouldn't have the time left over to confuse and frighten the weak and frightened ones who depend on them to explain the world to them. They are seriously deluded, seriously cruel.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:05 AM
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32. I place more blame on the Rovian tactics in the last election
which played on fundie "fears", emboldened the rwfundie radio and pulpit echo chambers to repeat those lines and whip thier followers into a frenzy. THe homophobia existed - but it was exploited and whipped into something frenetic and crazed by the rw political strategists and politicians. And they (the strategists and politicians) have become so soulless that they would read a story like this -and not give it a second thought per their role in creating an atmosphere that enabled a crazy nutball to justify his violence and abusive impulses to go seriously over the edge.

My heart cries for that child. And for all children caught up in the hatred whipped up these days.
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renaissanceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:59 PM
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98. I blame the fundies too
and may their churches burn down with them trapped inside.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:32 AM
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75. Agreed-The fundies have blood on their hands
for pushing their agenda of hatred and homophobia. They are sick f*cks!

My heart breaks for this innocent child who just wanted a daddy and mommy who loved him for who he is no matter what. :cry:
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fleabert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:47 AM
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19. germany or florida? FLORIDA!
anyone else listen to the rant tonight? (and many other nights too. he's right)
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:51 AM
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20. I hold the Dr. Lauras and James Dobsons' personally responsible
Their daily hateful rhetoric on the radio creates a climate whereby such persons begin to feel that it is morally defensible to beat a child to death because of alleged homosexuality.

The FCC should take away their broadcast licenses pending an investigation of the impact of hate radio on parents who abuse their children.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:55 AM
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21. They are a cause.
The real responsible parties are the mother and father. But, I get what you are saying. To this point in my life, I always thought the idea of children getting 'disowned' was the worst thing. I don't think I could have ever conceived of something like this. This is just beyond disgusting. Culture of life, my sweet GAY ass!
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:17 AM
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35. Look For Fred Phelps and His Family to Show Up to Support the Dad
Maybe throw a little protest at the three year olds funeral with signs that say "God Hates Fags".

A Florida DU'er needs to track this guy down and get a picture of his car with a "Bush/Cheney 04" bumper sticker on it.

I'm so glad we had all those "Gay Marriage Amendments" on the ballot throughout the battleground states last year. Pretty much laid the groundwork for stuff like this to happen. I'm sure Rick Santorum will, any minute now, blame "Boston Liberalism" for this tragedy.

:sarcasm:

Reading this makes me feel like Marlon Brando in Apocalypse Now. "I want to tear my teeth out".
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Gay Green Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:39 PM
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91. Last I heard
Dr Laura has stopped talking about gay issues 'cause she'll get criticised no matter what.

But Dobson and the rest of his ilk are still batshit crazy and loudmouthed, too. :grr:
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:31 PM
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119. I'm all for that!
Especially Dobson. He needs to be silenced for awhile so that he can actually pray and learn what he should've been saying all along.

I remember listening to his show once (he's practically worshiped in our old church, especially by my in-laws), and it was all I could do not to start screaming and throw the radio out of the car. I couldn't believe how he said it was okay to spank (especially for defiance, which trust me, doesn't work) and to make sure that the parents are 100% in charge of absolutely everything. He's evil.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:01 AM
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22. You happy, fundy "Christians"??? You happy, GOP???
First time in a while my eyes have teared up reading a news story. There have been so many since 2001 I didn't think I had any tears left.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:53 AM
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24. Some people are too stupid to live.
This a$$hole sounds like one of those.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:59 AM
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25. Christians believe that being gay is a sin
and the fundamentalists among them are convinced that gayness is caused by a gay demon.

I think that all Christians, Muslims, and Jews should reflect on those aspects of our religions that have elements at odds with reason and science, not to mention human rights. I say this with a heavy heart, for while my own branch of Judaism has rejected ancient sexual taboos, many of my own refuse to shake a woman's hand, or to accept the GLBTs among them.

It is no accident that the most radical elements in Christianity and Judaism are allies in a crusade to rebuilt the ancient temple in Jerusalem, and I suppose re-establish the corrupt priesthood that was rejected by the Zealots in the First Century CE.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 05:59 AM
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31. Being Gay is a sin...
... but being a venal greedy asshole is not. And these people claim to know Jesus. It's pathetic.
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:12 AM
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61. no sarcasm tag?
just asking
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:39 AM
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65. I didn't feel like..
... my statement needed any qualification. :)
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:25 PM
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84. careful
You must talk really slowly and clearly with some.. I guess.. heres one just for good measure.

:sarcasm:
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okasha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:33 AM
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53. This is far from true of all Christians.
The United Church of Christ has just voted in favor of gay marriage, the Episcopal Church has consecrated an openly gay bishop, there are congregations that are predominantly gay.

By all means, blame the guilty parties here, who seem to be fundies, but don't tar open and affirming congregations and demoninations with the same brush.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:32 PM
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120. Thank you.
I was going to say the same thing. Not all of us agree with any of that crap.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:23 PM
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128. Jesus never said a word about gays, and he treated women as equals
Fundamentalists put Paul's words on a par with Jesus's words. Why? Because fundamentalists believe that every word in the Bible is Divinely inspired. So when Paul says something stupid about women, such as to keep quiet and to ask their husbands if they have any questions, his evident misogyny is given equal weight to what is Jesus's obvious disdain for sexual taboos. Can you imagine Paul initiating a conversation with a woman at the well that he is not related to? I'll bet Jesus even shook hands with women!

This is what I meant to say in my post. All of us that come from the great Middle Eastern monotheistic religions need to come to grips with those aspects of our theology that are clearly bigoted and intolerant.

You know, G-d never wanted a temple in the first place! It was King David that kept insisting in building one until G-d told him that he had too much blood on his hands to build it.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 04:05 AM
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26. Poor little baby
:cry: makes me sick to read this.
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renegade000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:09 AM
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47. convenient how people
choose to ignore the "sins" they commit and become all sanctimonious about the ones they (at least think) don't
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tmorelli415 Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 04:50 AM
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28. Feel like my heart got ripped out...
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 05:01 AM by tmorelli415
when I saw this. I remember the terror I used to feel when I was a little boy and the kids used to call me faggot and beat me up as I ran home from school. The teachers just told my parents that I needed to be more athletic - none of my tormentors ever got in trouble.

This is the kind of world we live in... I'll say a prayer for this little boy and the short terrifying life he had to endure.

Dear Right Wing Religious Animals: YOU ARE DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR. Filthy murderous violence-loving bastards. Deny it to yourself all you want. You're not Christians. God knows the truth.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:23 AM
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37. Rightwing religious whores: We hope you feel proud today
Jeb and your fellow religious nutcase panderers who've incited and encouraged an irrational hatred of gays in your whoring for votes:

Feel very proud of yourselves.

:mad: :grr: :nuke:
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:26 AM
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38. A True "Christian" in the Republican Sense of the Word
"Even Sheldon Bostic, who was Ronnie Paris Jr.'s Bible- study friend, said he warned the father several times not to play so rough with his son.

Someone tell me where in the bible it says to beat your son if he might be gay??

Well, there is that one part about "spare the rod, spoil the child" bit. I also remember something in the Old Testament about "dashing babies heads against rocks".

Why didn't Jeb's "Faith Based Initiatives" save this child??

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Darwins Finch Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:44 AM
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39. Horrible
What a sick melange of dysfunction must dwell in a creature like this (I can't bring myself to call him a "man").

Of course, given a poisonous environment of bigotry, machismo, social pressures, and religious intolerance, we have to expect that more and more already marginal people like this will go over into extremes.

Not that any of this excuses such abhorrent actions. The poor child.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:52 AM
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41. Surprisingly, I wouldn't want this waste of sperm to get the death penalty
because once the inmates find out what he did, he's going to be a daily punching bag and blow-up doll for the rest of his days there. THAT's what he deserves, not getting put to sleep like a dog. Toddler killers/rapists/molesters are the lowest pieces of shit in prison, because many inmates are parents themselves, and were also abused as children.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:40 AM
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77. You're right
The harshest punishment this guy could get would be life imprisonment in the general population. Once they found out what he did, his life would be as hellish as the life he gave that child.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:57 AM
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43. One of the saddest stories I've ever read
Just awful!
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:05 AM
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44. Falwell & Co, hope you're happy
You and your culture of hate caused this.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:07 AM
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45. Ok. This could make me a death penalty supporter.
My GOD!!!! The ignorance.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:30 AM
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52. Another failure by CFS
to protect a kid being abused. How many times has Jeb's agency failed? Wasn't there (or isn't there) plans to privatize this agency? That certainly won't help.
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BobbyinPortland Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:49 AM
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54. Hold Bush responsible
I think that every hate crime or any hint of abuse for sexuality should be on the shoulders of this fucking pseudo-president who has made it perfectly alright to abuse and hate gays.

Could it be done? Could someone like Bush be held responsible for creating a hate filled America where it's okay to kill gays?
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:37 AM
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56. A casulaty in the "culture of life"
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varun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:44 AM
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57. Culture of Life?
Is this the culture that Bush is referring to?
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:10 AM
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60. Repuke family values. Slap the gay out of your children..
their twisted form of christianity is disgusting.

Jesus weeps for them.
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:16 AM
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62. If I see, or hear of ANYTHING like this
the "mother and father" better be ready to have a little "slap boxing"
lesson from ME! :mad:
I look at my 7 and 4 year old boys and think of that child...heartbreaking...
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:52 AM
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66. oh.my.god
this is soooooo sad :-( wtf is going on in florida?????
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greekspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:55 AM
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67. This goes beyond disgust
This story is numbing in the heinousness of its details. A child vomitting gets slapped into a wall? The boy is taught to box with beatings until he wets himself? This man that did these things to this child is inhuman and deserves the most strict penalty the law will allow. This child was treated like a punching bag, and had his basic human dignity taken away from him before this monster took his life away from him.

Every day the thought of the death penalty becomes a less viable punishment in my mind. Still I think that some crimes merit the death penalty. This one is one of them. Of course, when some of the inmates in the prison get ahold of this man, they may enforce their own death penalty.
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Gay Green Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:49 PM
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96. Life in prison without furlough, parole or time off for good behaviour
The other inmates who view child killers, rapists and molesters very likely will force their own death penalty. And make the remainder of his days a living hell in the process.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:58 AM
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69. I'm sure Fred Phelps is proud. This is what happens when people
are taught to hate something, that's why it's called HATE CRIMES.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:03 AM
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70. used to have a neighbor that strangled Guinea pigs for the same reason
he bred them in some weird shed, and you could hear all manner of unholy squeals emanating from it. When we asked why, he gave us his reason - and I don't think I ever spoke to him again.

Died of a massive heart attack some months later.
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renaissanceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:58 PM
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97. he strangled guinea pigs because he thought they were gay?
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 02:58 PM by renaissanceguy
or because he hated them?

Edited to add: GOOD he had a heart attack. People like that don't deserve to live.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 09:53 AM
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148. because he thought they were gay
I remember being told this and sort of being caught so off guard, I just managed to stare off to the side with a fixed expression. Nowadays I'd tear into him immedeately.
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Orion The Hunter Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:04 AM
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71. RE: Poor kid ... and dumb ass parents!
When you demonize one group of people as the Right has done with homosexuals, hate crimes like these start to occur...it's a tragedy.

And remind me to never move to Florida!
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:08 AM
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72. See here Freepers and Religious fundie nuts...this is your fault!
Your hate filled talk and so-called campaigns against a non-existing 'gay agenda' did this as sure as if you raised your own hand to this child.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:22 PM
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115. I blame only the killer
People do have to make a conscious choice to adopt an ideology.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:46 PM
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130. I blame the killer AND Falwell, Robertson and Dobson
And Bush. They are responsible for spewing lies about gays and lesbians on a daily basis.

It's easy to whip stupid people up into a frenzy over an invented "bogeyman" and get them to fear/hate what you want them to fear/hate.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 09:30 AM
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147. You have a good and quotable point
It's easy to whip stupid people up into a frenzy over an invented "bogeyman" and get them to fear/hate what you want them to fear/hate.

Indeed.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:38 AM
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76. Bobo's World
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defiant1 Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:18 PM
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81. Absolutely despicable...
This is so pathetic.

:wtf: :argh: :banghead:

Maybe Bush will nominate him for the Supreme Court.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:25 PM
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85. Damn you, SpongeBob SquarePants! (sarcasm)
This is what happens when our toddlers are exposed to the radical homosexual agenda by the likes of



What's a poor, put-upon, red-blooded American to do? :sarcasm:

:grr: :banghead: :nuke:
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:41 PM
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93. How do you tell if a 3 yr old is gay!? That's just dumb.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:45 PM
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94. Absolutely horrifying
This is the product of preaching hate.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:02 PM
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99. :puke:
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:06 PM
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100. some people shouldn't have kids
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:09 PM
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101. OMG my heart breaks for that kid.
And I wonder who this animal-monster-inbreed voted for in the last election.
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Gemini Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:51 PM
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102. Incredible.
The culture of hate and fear manifests into a child's death. Proud of yourselves, fristians? I hate these people.
:cry:
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:56 PM
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103. That is the epitome of "freeperdom". The essential example of a Limbaugh
brainwashed dittohead.
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zoids Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 04:19 PM
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104. Lots of jumping to conclusions
the guy is a sick fuck and should held responsible for his actions.
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Mister Mark Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 05:58 PM
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107. differing stories
It's interesting that while the first article mentions the gay issue, the articles from the St. Pete Times and Tampa Tribune say nothing about it.

What the hell is that about? The mother did specifically say that the father thought the child might be gay. Isn't that newsworthy to the Tampa Tribune and St. Pete Times?
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:02 PM
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108. Death
Fry the asshole in Ol Sparky for a long time IMO.
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despairing optimist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:46 PM
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109. As if boxing or fighting makes a man to begin with
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 06:47 PM by despairing optimist
Suppose the kid had lived to box well. He still could have discovered himself to be gay. There are gay boxers, you know. Gay boys and men do fight back, though some straights may find that hard to believe until they get what's coming to them. And girls and women are boxers too, straight and gay both. What difference does it make, except to ignorant, small minds?

The poor child lived in hell all his life. The story came out only at the end of it. He is in a better place now; no one can hurt him anymore.

As for his parents, if society is to be judgmental, it should do so by issuing parenting licenses. It's clear that people should not be allowed to have children simply because they are biologically capable of having them. That may be freedom to the adults, but it may mean misery and pain for their children. If we are to protect the unborn fully, we need to start before they are even conceived, for if human life begins at conception, surely decent human life begins with decent human beings as prospective parents. Eh, religious wingnuts? The way I figure it, it sort of leaves fanatics out of the picture since their bigotry and hatred leads to killings such as this one to begin with.
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:55 PM
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110. put the mother on trial too
that's ridiculous.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:34 PM
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121. Ok, I will support the death penalty just once.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:30 PM
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125. No way! Too easy!
When his cellmates find out what he did he will endure a lifetime of punsishment.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:22 PM
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123. WTF?
These people are just so sick and evil!

That poor, poor little boy...

:cry:
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:39 PM
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126. Strap this son of a bitch into ol' sparky
and don't wet the sponge.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:44 PM
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127. I can't believe what I just read....
How stupid can an adult human being get?...Never mind this Ronnie Paris, Jr. answered that question already.
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:59 PM
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131. I hope some day that
science determines that sexual orienation is determined by one's father's genes.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:03 AM
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132. How awful
:-(
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DaDeacon Donating Member (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:11 AM
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133. NO, Fucking NO !!! This guy was just FUCKED UP (n/t)
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:18 AM
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134. Lock him up
And throw the key away.

L-
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 03:27 AM
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138. Here's the next installment of the story. It's no better.
Jury Finds Father Guilty In Death Of Little Boy

By BEN MONTGOMERY bmontgomery@tampatrib.com
Published: Jul 15, 2005

TAMPA - Ronnie Paris Jr. tried to toughen up his son.
Big fists on a little head.

He beat the boy so badly he became lethargic, stopped eating and began wetting himself. On Jan. 22, the skinny, underdeveloped 3-year-old went to sleep on a neighbor's deep-red couch while his parents studied Bible verses with friends from Deeper Life Ministries.
(snip)

Thursday afternoon, a jury found Paris, 21, a former city sewer worker in a borrowed suit, guilty of second-degree manslaughter and aggravated child abuse.
(snip)

``Oh man,'' said his father, Ronald Paris Sr., as he finished a bag of Cheetos outside the courtroom. ``I raised my son in the right way. We played football, went fishing, went to wrestling matches, boxing, all that.''
(snip/...)http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBW7PUT5BE.html
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drhilarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 03:32 AM
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139. "``But you know how the devil is. He takes the good ones.''
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 03:35 AM by drhilarius
Arrrrrrrgh!!!!!!!!!!! This is why I fucking hate religion. No,no, he's not a homophobic, backwater, piece-of-shit redneck! Nope "de debbil made 'im do it". No responsibility, no accountability; its always the devil.

Reading bible verses while the child is dying- I couldn't come up with a better metaphor for fundy christians' "culture of life".
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:30 AM
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146. It's disgusting.
How could they ignore him? How could they just put him down to die on some stranger's couch without even his mama sitting next to him, making sure he isn't too sick? How could they not get him help when he started acting ill?

It's just disgusting. That man needs a thorough thrashing and then a whole lot of therapy. I hope he never has another child.
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 07:36 AM
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144. Oh my God
they are living charactatures.
How terribly sad that little boy had to go through that. How terribly sad his mother and our society allowed it.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 11:29 PM
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153. The good Christian folks of Deeper Life Ministries
On Jan. 22, the skinny, underdeveloped 3-year-old went to sleep on a neighbor's deep-red couch while his parents studied Bible verses with friends from Deeper Life Ministries.

There is more blame to go around in here: the neighbor who didn't report the child's weakened condition, the good Christian folks of Deeper Life Ministries, the wife, and Ron senior and the equally crazy mother.

If we are to survive we will have to impose restrictions on religion. No more turning a blind eye to churches that teach homophobia, misogyny, or any version of "spare the rod, spoil the child." The Christian fundamentalists in this country have shown as the Islamic radicals have, that society must be protected from this poison. As Lenin warned in his 1905 essay on Socialism and religion:

Religion is one of the forms of spiritual oppression which everywhere weighs down heavily upon the masses of the people, over burdened by their perpetual work for others, by want and isolation. Impotence of the exploited classes in their struggle against the exploiters just as inevitably gives rise to the belief in a better life after death as impotence of the savage in his battle with nature gives rise to belief in gods, devils, miracles, and the like. Those who toil and live in want all their lives are taught by religion to be submissive and patient while here on earth, and to take comfort in the hope of a heavenly reward. But those who live by the labour of others are taught by religion to practise charity while on earth, thus offering them a very cheap way of justifying their entire existence as exploiters and selling them at a moderate price tickets to well-being in heaven. Religion is opium for the people. Religion is a sort of spiritual booze, in which the slaves of capital drown their human image, their demand for a life more or less worthy of man.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1905/dec/03...


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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 06:24 AM
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140. Jury Finds Father Guilty In Death Of Little Boy (didn't want 3yo gay)
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 06:17 AM by wakeme2008
http://www.tampatrib.com/FloridaMetro/MGBW7PUT5BE.html

Jul 15, 2005
Jury Finds Father Guilty In Death Of Little Boy
By BEN MONTGOMERY
bmontgomery@tampatrib.com


TAMPA - Ronnie Paris Jr. tried to toughen up his son.

Big fists on a little head.

He beat the boy so badly he became lethargic, stopped eating and began wetting himself. On Jan. 22, the skinny, underdeveloped 3-year-old went to sleep on a neighbor's deep-red couch while his parents studied Bible verses with friends from Deeper Life Ministries.

..cut

Nysheerah Paris told the court her husband had beaten the boy in the head several times and slammed his body against a kitchen wall in the month before the boy's death on Jan. 28. The woman, who is charged with child neglect and could face 15 years in prison if convicted, told the court her husband was jealous of the baby, complained about not having enough sex and told her not to hug her son because he thought it might make the boy grow up to be homosexual..

..more at link....

And the parents are religious wack jobs from this article....

The really sad part was yesterday article with the foster mother that raised the child for over two years. :( :( It talked about how much she missed him and how well he was doing in her home..
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 06:24 AM
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141. dupe
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 06:24 AM
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142. I checked and did not see it on the last three pages of LBN
:(
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 07:53 AM
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145. Oh, man....
Did you read the reactions of his family members?

``Oh man,'' said his father, Ronald Paris Sr., as he finished a bag of Cheetos outside the courtroom. ``I raised my son in the right way. We played football, went fishing, went to wrestling matches, boxing, all that.''

Uh, obviously you didn't raise him right if he grew up to be a fundie child-killer.

Then they go on to say it was all the mother's fault.

It sickens me that I live on the same planet as filth like this.
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 04:10 PM
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149. Although these people do appear to be Fundamentalists
I don't know if that is exactly the cause of the father's hostility towards anything "feminine" in his son. There have always been men who have sought to be hypermasculine and make sure that their sons are that way too, regardless of their religiousness. There is an element in our culture that strongly disapproves of males having any feminine attributes. Look at coaches who insult their male players by calling them "girls". Look at parents who freak out if their son likes to play with "girl toys" or cross dress in play. Look at adults who think that there is something odd about men in certain professions like nursing. Look at Arnold and other "manly" Republicans who call our candidates "girly men". This man took this hypermasculinity to its sad extreme logical conclusion. His son was better off being dead than being anything less than hypermasculine.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 05:36 PM
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152. What the Hell???
:wtf:

? ? ?

:wow:
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 11:39 PM
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154. omg is there some better place we can take our children to?
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tortfeasor Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 04:38 PM
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156. I cannot convey the disgust
I felt when I read this story. Do we really live in this kind of world or is this a nightmare?
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6000eliot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 05:26 PM
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157. At least that poor little boy is out of it.
These are the kinds of things that haunt me with the depths to which human beings are capable of going.
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