Sky: All four bombers died (London blasts)

[allemand]

All four suspected bombers died during the London terror attacks, according to police sources.

Sky News crime correspondent Martin Brunt said three bombers died in separate Tube attacks and one was killed in the No 30 bus blast.

It was still not clear if the man on the bus had been a suicide bomber.

It follows witness reports of a man on the bus in an agitated state constantly looking into his bag before the blast in Tavistock Square.

More:
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13385127,00.html

[DoYouEverWonder]

1. I guess that will make it a lot easier

to figure out who did it.

[bribri16]

62. No, but it will keep people from pushing the panic button.

To believe that the "terrorists" have raised their carnage to new sophisticated levels such a s remote detonation will scare the shit out of most people.

[whatever4]

2. Interesting. At first, they said there were no suicide bombers nt

[daleo]

7. Well it makes you wonder

First, the subway bombs were nearly half an hour from first to last.
Then, they happened within 50 seconds.

First, the bombs were not high grade explosives.
Then, they are high grade military explosives.

First, they were using timers and not suicide bombers.
Then, they are suicide bombers.

Granted, this source may be unreliable. Granted also, that theories of a crime evolve as the investigation goes on.

But this level of contradiction eventually becomes disturbing, especially given the known propensity of the U.K./U.S. governments to fit the facts to the policy.

Perhaps in addition to MIHOP and LIHOP we need IHSLMTBOI (It happened, so lets make the best of it). It needs a catchier acronym though.

[Frederik]

16. IHSLMTBOI

it doesn't roll off the tongue so easily :-) But it's very often the case. "How can we use this to our advantage".

[whatever4]

22. Absolutely true

The basic facts are being changed, the history rewritten before the ink's dried.

So many test balloons to send up, it's a wonder they can keep track of them all, you know? Throw out spin, examine, react, adjust the story, reinsert spin, examine, adjust...

Remote timers were found, and yet, now it's all four (whoever said there were four bombers for four bombs? An idiotic assumption they assume WE will buy into) suicide bombers died in the blasts, apparently. That, or we are to believe they all "four" accidentally died. Died on accident, as they must have, if they WERE NOT suicide bombers. They either were or they weren't; can't have it both ways.

We have no witnesses, no photos of them anywhere, and they're a new group no one has heard of. One that has issues with it's own language. They were able to plan and execute the bombings, but were ALSO so clumsy as to ACCIDENTALLY get caught in the blasts. Not just one of them. Not just two. But FOUR of them.

Sure.

Isn't this the sickest, dumbest type of stuff you've ever heard? These idiots must have upped their respective doses of their respective reality-shielding drugs. Quite honestly, I'm not being sarcastic. I think many of them must recently be needing more medication.

THAT, to me, is one of the funniest aspects of all. Those meds are HORRIBLE, some of them, at the higher doses. The side effects can be ruinous. In some cases, permanent.

[Benbow]

25. Perhaps someone else set the timers

Actually, that would be very like what happened on 9/11. The hijackers did not know, I have read, that their death was also part of the plan.

That sounds more than possible. The mastermind sets the timers, tells the bombers that these will go off at x.am when they will in fact explode at x-30mins.am. As someone else has observed, dead men tell no tales.

[whatever4]

40. HA!! That explains the "fake" inert powder bombs...

Now that you said that...

It all makes sense. Check this out

What was that story, that originally some fool said they worked with the feds to infiltrate some terrorists, and that, originally they were supposed to make "fake" bombs, with some kind of powder, but not explosive? I need to find that story, I think I read it here. Do you remember the one I'm talking about? It was all about how plans were made to make fake bombs, and then someone (CIA, something) told them no, to make REAL bombs. But not why.

Well, it would make sense then, why in the WORLD would anyone make some silly plans to plan a terrorist act, and make FAKE bombs??

Because they would want the people carrying real bombs to believe they were carrying non-lethal bombs?

Wow. Okay, now it makes sense. And it makes sense how easily they could fool some poor dupes to carry out the act; it could look like some kind of covert action, a test. An exercise.

I sure hope this is so far from reality that it's only in my brain.

[1932]

26. It's probably intentional by the police to ensure that suspects aren't

thinking you're on to them.

But when they think knowledge of a fact by the public will help catch the person, they release it.

Like, if it's military grade, they want every person who might have any knowledge of military-grade explosives to come forward saying, "yeah, I heard a guy in a bar talking about setting a timer in {technical name for explosive} -- I served in the TA, so I know what he was talking about."

It's probably best for the public to think ALL possibilities exist.

Remember, in a investigation, the goal is to catch the supsects, and it's not to tell the public, under oath, everything you know about the crime at every stage prior to arrest (because you could obviously jeopardize your investigation by doing that).

[TroglodyteScholar]

46. Nah, drop the T (who includes "the" in acronyms?)

Then you're left with IHSLMBOI, pronounced "Islam Boy." Hm.

Nevermind.

[jsamuel]

61. THAT IS GREAT! "Islam Boy", IHSLMBOI

wow

BLAME IT ON THE "ISLAM BOY"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KittyWampus]

65. IHSLMTBOI. :-D Actually, You're Right About Too Many Contradictions

and Blair's calling for no investigation stinks.

[tranche]

84. PDSI

People Died, Spin It

[ConfuZed]

64. I believe they are protecting the identity of these bombers...

so there won't be an out lash against the muslim community in europe.

[muriel_volestrangler]

70. Or particularly against their families

We already know one has a family - they reported him missing on Thursday, which mnay have led to what the police know now.

[ConfuZed]

74. They can easily be protected (like the bin laden family)

[daleo]

3. Dead men tell no tales.

If this development holds up, it will be interesting to see the evidence.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

6. "Evidence"? Since when do the authorities need that?

[rateyes]

28. Wasn't it Stalin who said...

"No man, no problem."

[non sociopath skin]

4. The police have NOT confirmed this!!!!!

If I were you, I'd stick with the BBC!

The Skin

[allemand]

14. BBC just confirmed it. n/t

[non sociopath skin]

18. Yes, only just.

Rupert got in first, damn him.

The Skin

[BooScout]

50. LInk please?

The BBC Home page is saying just one bomber died.

[allemand]

54. They have "forensic evidence" about one of the bombers

I guess that they have CCTV evidence about the others, but have not yet identified their bodies.

Security sources told the BBC they suspect the three on the tube were suicide bombers but are keeping an open mind on the bus bomber.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4676577.stm

It is "highly likely" one of the Tube attackers died in the strikes on the Underground network - but Sky News has been told all the men were probably suicide bombers.

Sky News correspondent Martin Brunt said senior anti-terror police were working on the assumption the men were suicide bombers and had died in the explosions.

The suspected bombers travelled down from the West Yorkshire and met at Kings Cross station shortly before the attacks were launched on Thursday morning, police said at a press conference.

Their images were captured by CCTV cameras.
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13385127,00.html

[Media_Lies_Daily]

5. Interesting that nothing was stated about the presence of suicide....

...bombers within the first 24 hours of the attacks. Seems like that kind of information would have been among the first items to be published by the press.

Nope....IMHO, it doesn't pass the smell test.

[Drifter]

8. Sure they did ...

I kept hearing about the suicide bomber speculation. They kept saying that there was no evidence (ie they were still rescuing people) that supported this either way.

Cheers
Drifter

[Guy_Montag]

10. Maybe not on your side of the pond

but the possiblity of suicide bombers was covered by the UK media.

The British police are extremely cautious about making sure they get their story right the first time (well apart from the West Midlands Serious Crime Squad & a few others, but I digress).

They would not mention suicide bombers until they have evidence.

It took them two days to formaly identify the first casulties, it doesn't mean they didn't know who they were, it just means they were then sure.

[allemand]

9. BBC: Security sources say they believe all four bombers were British born

http://news.bbc.co.uk/

On edit:

Security sources said the bus bomb suspect died in the blast but it is unclear if it was a suicide bombing.

They believe the four bombers were British born and all died in Thursday's bombings.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4674463.stm

[Pallas180]

11. Is Sky news Murdoch? n/t

thanks

[AlCzervik]

12. yes n/t

[Pallas180]

13. Thanks - on this side of pond, when we want to know some truth, real news

we go to online UK Guardian.

Is the Brits' opinion of the UK Guardian good?

Thanks for educating. :)

[AlCzervik]

15. I dunno but my opinion of the Guardian is very good as opposed to my

opinion of Sky TV.

[CentralEuropeanDude]

20. how to avoid Murdoch :)

http://www.cjr.org/tools/owners/newscorp.asp

[Guy_Montag]

21. I read the Guardian - the paper version,

but most British broadsheets (& former broadsheets - Times & Independent) are pretty good.

Even the Daily Torygraph & the Times (Murdoch owned) don't twist the facts, but have vastly different opinions & editorials.

[LivingInTheBubble]

29. The guardian gets a thumbs up from me

as does the independent.

[Oversea Visitor]

19. Well

I still wait for confirmed report. Don't make much sense for British born citizen to blow themself up. This is very messy

[tenshi816]

35. It's possible that these were British citizens

born of immigrants. That was something that became a lot more high profile after 9/11 when a lot of young, impressionable British-born Muslims found their loyalties torn between Britain and Islam. In many cases, they chose to identify themselves as Muslims first and British citizens second.

Edited to say that it was just announced on BBC1 News that it's believed that the four bombers were British men of Pakistani origin.

[Miss Chybil]

17. Why is it easier for some people to believe the people in government

will kill their own citizens than to believe extremists such as McVeigh, or Atta, will? Especially, those who rant about religious extremism as is present in some crazed evangelical, or Islamic, fundamentalists. (McVeigh excluded here, he just hated the government.)

[CJCRANE]

27. Mainly because

some govts are responsible directly and indirectly for thousands of deaths and have a track record of shaping circumstances behind the scenes, benefiting from tragedy and just flat out lying.

The conspiracy theorists are prob wrong on this occasion but that doesn't mean they're always wrong.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

34. Oy...

some govts are responsible directly and indirectly for thousands of deaths and have a track record of shaping circumstances behind the scenes, benefiting from tragedy and just flat out lying.

Name me the government of any major power in history that hasn't done that.

[CJCRANE]

42. True

but it doesn't make it right and some administrations are 100 times worse than others.

[Benbow]

23. Press conference being broadcast now on BBC Radio 4

Started at about 5.05pm.

Head of the Anti-Terrorist Branch making statement:

"We now know that all four arrived in London by train on the morning of 7 July - all seen on the CCTV at Kings Cross - one was reported missing by his family - since found personal documents bearing names of three of those four men close to the explosions." The chap who was reported missing - his property was found close to the explosion on the bus.

[Frederik]

60. Why do they always have

personal documents on them or in baggage that conveniently miss the plane and so on?

[PurityOfEssence]

24. There's just nuthin' as much fun as religion

What do you do with 72 virgins, anyway? Oh, yeah, THAT. But once you've violated them all, you're stuck for eternity with 72 soiled females. Do they have a virgin replacement policy? Can't imagine Allah would expect noble fighters for the cause to hang around with the lesser gender, can we?

I must say that these fundy Muslim make the average fundy Christian look like a piker: these guys DIE on purpose for their belief.

Of course, this all still reeks of speculation; I'd like to see the proof of intent.

Religion glories in its role as the hearts-blood of civilization, when it's actually more destructive than anything else.

Religion isn't something to be revered, it's something to be tolerated and accomodated like other human failings; the net result is economically, socially and politically bad.

[nolabels]

33. I would not be so quick to blame religion exactly

Hurt and misguided individuals looking for outlets to their longings and emotions often latch on to things outside the physical realm. A escape from all the pain the mind can deliver. If this story is true we might get see how it happens a little bit more.

There is no way they were operating all by them selves but there is a point or several points when society fails and individuals chose to lash out at it, even to this point. Them suicide bombers (in their mind) have nothing to lose but the pain they feel that they see.

[CJCRANE]

44. I sometimes think they're like the Columbine killers -

people with a humiliated and adolescent mindset who relish the chance to get back at society and go out in a blaze of glory (from their viewpoint).

[nolabels]

51. Probably more like them than most would care to admit

With a fear that cannot be quenched that manifests into a thinking of what ever they do is justified.

Heard or read of a story where some Jihadist locate and culture these troubled souls to do their deeds. Much like any other warrior nation or group does. The story was interesting for the fact everything was so up front and simple. It would not be hard to strip off some of the complexities in the western world and extrapolate on why it is an actual reality in most military or even some police organizations.

Martyrdom is as old as civilization coupled with the fact others would rather suffer needlessly rather than to feel their cause was lost

[tanyev]

30. Did they find their undamaged passports in all the rubble?

[allemand]

31. "Personal documents"

Personal documents of four suspected bombers were found near the bomb scenes of the London terror attacks, police have said.
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13385127,00.html

On edit:
Also, the bomber on the bus was reported missing by his family.

[tanyev]

32. Well. Isn't that conveeeeenient.

:tinfoilhat:

[nolabels]

36. There are many things way to conveeeeenient

Yet will all that be swept under the rug, conveeeeeniently of course :shrug:

[allemand]

38. Could you give an example of what you are talking about?

Thank you.

[nolabels]

41. The information is more important then the physicality or effect

A simpler concise way to describe it is if they capture even a large portion of the oppositions troops does it indicate the war is over or tensions have been eased?

Terror Drills in London on 7/7
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x46961

NYT: Military-Quality Explosives Suspected in London Blasts
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1620046

WP: British Politicians Unite Behind Blair(Howard backs away from inquiry)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1620100

Does saying "I don't know who did it" make someone a conspiracy theorist"?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4071709

[allemand]

49. Terror drills are perfectly normal.

The scenario to bomb central tube stations at the height of rush hour wasn't very unusual. In fact, everybody has been talking about the possibility of such an attack since 9/11.

Military grade explosives are available on the black marked in Europe (Portugal, the Balkans).
Also, it's still unclear if they were really "military grade" or just "high explosives" which can be "home-made".

The Labour Party has a solid majority in parliament. They don't need to blow up things in order to govern the country...

To continue saying "I don't know who did it" after today's news requires a much greater effort than yesterday as you have to ignore an incredible amount of evidence.

[nolabels]

56. So are you happy or sad they won't get to blame El-caw-ca

And what was with that anonymous statement issued by El-caw-ca. I am happy the disinformation has been debunked a little (I hope anyway).

The good news is the politics of hate have suffered a major blow (again)

[allemand]

37. They were also filmed by CCTV cameras. Do you also think that this is

"convenient"? In fact, it's inevitable. There are just too many CCTV cameras in London.

[demo dutch]

39. Apparently, the devices they used were pretty crude, and these

bombers sound like a bunch of amateurs, it doesn't sound like at all like an Al-Qaeda operation, the Panzer Division of terrorism, these London bombers were terrorism's Cub Scouts.

see link Greg Palast's article..

http://www.gregpalast.com/

[allemand]

45. Greg Palast's starting point were the early reports which spoke of "crude

devices". In the meantime there have been other reports that the devices were quite sophisticated and contained "high explosives" or even "military grade explosives".

But I agree with Palast that this attack could well be the work of a local group with no or just ideological connections to al-Qaeda.

[Roland99]

52. Damn...that reads like a fallguy setup if I ever saw one.

[daleo]

73. You wonder why suicide bombers take along their id

But don't bother claiming "credit" for the attack (which they could do by the simple expedient of dropping a letter outlining a few key details of the attack in the post the night before).

[smirkymonkey]

91. Ok, that is just too much.

Their "personal documents" were found near the scenes of the bomb attacks? What kind of personal documents do suicide bombers have anyway? Teflon? How stupid do they think we are?

Nobody bought it when Mohammed Atta's passport was found in the rubble while everything around it was pulverized, so they use this same stupid lie to "identify" the culprits AGAIN?

[tenshi816]

43. Now they've just said on BBC1

that it's not confirmed that all four bombers died.

[Monkie]

47. indeed, the information the seem to have is...

that 4 people died close to the blast (well duh),that they found their personal effects close to the blast (well duh),that they are british born non arab muslims (as far as i could tell from the cryptic bbc description) and that 3 lived in the same city (leeds) and all 4 traveled on the same train to london and they have cctv images of those people.

[muriel_volestrangler]

48. They say the raids were on 3 of the 4 homes of the suspects

It seems strange they didn't raid one home.

In a press conference police said they had identified four suspects who travelled to London on the morning of the attacks - three of them from West Yorkshire.

One of the men from West Yorkshire had been reported missing by his family and his property was found at the bus blast scene.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4674463.stm

So is that saying the fourth man was also from West Yorkshire, and that therefore his home had already been searched with the cooperation of the family? Or is that "one of the three men had been reported missing" ("his family" doesn't necessarily mean family living at the same address)?

[Roland99]

53. What'd they find, a Quran in someone's car?

A Quran! It's the bombers!!

[allemand]

57. Have you read the reports or listened to the police briefing?

For example:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4676577.stm

or

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13385127,00.html

[Roland99]

58. They don't say much. "Forensic evidence" found near the bodies.

What's that mean? "personal documents"? WTH survived that blast intact that would have been on their person?

[allemand]

63. I think that "forensic evidence" means that they were able to identify the

body of the bomber who died in the Aldgate explosion.

As long as there was no fire, or the fire was put out fairly quickly, I guess that some personal documents may have survived the blast, but I'm no expert...

[Henny Penny]

88. I assume they mean bank/credit cards, student id etc. n/t

though why you would need these, if you were off on a suicide mission, I don't know.

edited for afterthought...

[Nihil]

94. Two (possible) reasons

The most obvious one is that you need to buy a ticket so you take
your wallet with you.

The less obvious one is that, unless you are going to perform some
kind of ritual (e.g., pre-kamikaze) and dress differently (making a
much bigger risk of being stopped/caught) then you will get up and
get dressed in the usual way ... putting the usual stuff into your
pockets and closing the front door behind you as you have always done.

Humans are creatures of habit, habits that take a lot of conscious
training to change at times.

Credit cards will identify the owner and they are surprisingly difficult
to destroy, especially if carried in the back trouser pocket and
shielded (by the rest of the body) from a blast in front of the owner.

[fedsron2us]

66. According to the BBC property from suspect 3

was found at both the Aldgate and Edgware Road bomb sites. He can not have been at both locations when the explosives detonated.

[Roland99]

69. *conspiracy theory voice*..."They got carried away planting evidence"?

[Monkie]

59. strange yeah,what do you make of them being of pakistani descent?

i should say possibly of pakistani descent.
It surprises me as i was not expecting them to be suicide bombs as they were relatively small explosions and i didnt have a mental picture of a pakistani suicide bomber..

[muriel_volestrangler]

68. It seems one has not been identified yet

From the BBC link in post #57:

"There is no identity for the fourth bomber and police do not know if his remains are at the King's Cross blast site or if he has fled."

which presumably means they've identified the men as a group of four on CCTV, but can't tell who one of them is (and, of course, they did arrest one person in Leeds).

Most Muslims in Britain are of Pakistani or Bangladeshi descent, so it wouldn't be surprising to find some amongst Islamists; bin Laden and his group have had fairly strong links with Pakistan too. If they regard Islam as a monolithic culture, they could easily have the same motivations as the 9/11 hijackers (one of whose controllers was Pakistani, I seem to remember).

As for the size of the explosions - who knows? Perhaps that was all the explosive they had available, and they decided 4 bombs was better than, say, 2. We'll have to wait for more details.

[Henny Penny]

90. I read earlier on the bbc site that a large quantity of explosives

had been found at one of the houses. Though that report has gone now and the focus is on the explosives in the car in Luton.

[muriel_volestrangler]

92. It does say that at this link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4676861.stm

[Henny Penny]

93. Thanx.

I tend to start at the top and work my way down... so I didn't notice you had already posted the info down the line. sorry.

:silly:

[CJCRANE]

72. Another DU exclusive -

Some-one posted a link on DU a few days ago (Thurs or Fri I think)from the India Times which said the suspects were British-born Pakistanis. Just goes to show how you can be ahead of the curve when you've got several thousand people trawling the world's newspapers for you.

on edit: of course the India Times can't necessarily be considered an unbiased source when it comes to Pakistani affairs.

[allemand]

77. Indeed: "London blasts may have Pak link" (Times of India)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1612771

;-) :-)

[CJCRANE]

78. Thanks!

[allemand]

75. At least on of the bombers was of Pakistani descent.

Local residents said one of the people living at 51 Colwyn Road was 22-year-old Shahzad Tanweer. Some people said Mr Tanweer had not been seen for a number of days. (...)

Mr Answar said his friend had lived in the Beeston area all his life and had recently completed a sports science degree, but he would not say where. He said they played cricket together only last week. (...)

People living in Colwyn Road said Mr Tanweer lived with his mother and father, a younger brother and two sisters. His father is understood to own a local fish and chip shop. (...)

Police said that one man had been arrested, and taken to London for questioning. A 21-year-old local man, speaking at the scene near Colwyn Road, said that he believed that a group of his friends who are all young British-born Pakistani men in their early twenties had been arrested.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22989-1691385,00.html

Suicide bombings in Kashmir began in 1999, if I remember correctly. It was also known that some British-born Pakistani men had gone to Afghanistan and received training in al-Qaeda camps. But they did not carry out their operations in Britain, at least until now.

[muriel_volestrangler]

83. More: explosives found in car at Luton

and a second car in the next town. On BBC TV, they're saying explosives have been found in one of the houses searched.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4676577.stm

[allemand]

67. They raided three homes in West Yorkshire.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Peter Clark, the head of the Metropolitan Police's anti-terror branch, said that three of the four suspects came from West Yorkshire. Their home addresses were raided today, in the operation which began at 6.30am.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22989-1691385,00.html

Perhaps they don't know the home address of the fourth?

The man who was reported missing by his family was 22 years old:

Local residents said one of the people living at 51 Colwyn Road was 22-year-old Shahzad Tanweer. Some people said Mr Tanweer had not been seen for a number of days. (...)

People living in Colwyn Road said Mr Tanweer lived with his mother and father, a younger brother and two sisters. His father is understood to own a local fish and chip shop.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22989-1691385,00.html

[Monkie]

79. good find!this has interviews of people that know possible suspect

"But his friend, Mohammed Answar, 19, said there was no way he could have been involved in the London atrocities.

"It’s impossible. It’s not in his nature to do something like this," he said. "He’s is the type of guy who would condemn things like that. My heart is with the guy wherever he is.
~snip~
Another friend Azzy Mohammed, 21, said of Mr Tanweer: "He’s the kind of person who gets along with anyone. His sense of humour is very good. He’s a sweet lad."

Mr Mohammed said his friend was a good Muslim with no connection to any form of radical or extreme group."

so how does a 22 year old go from this to being a suspect?
i hope we find out more in days to come..

[nolabels]

80. Thank you for your work looking into this

I often ask stupid questions and come up with conclusions that were misconceived.

The "I don't know part" is still in the box though

[mike923]

55. I hope they are rotting in hell as we speak. (nt)

*

[daleo]

71. From crude bombs and timers

To military grade explosives and suicide bombers in less than a week. Shifting police reports like this would be bothersome at the best of times, but the fact that this is a highly charged political case (presumably) makes it worse. Particularly when the government of the country in question has admitted that it went along with "fitting the facts to the policy" in justifying a decision to go to war.

[PsychoDad]

76. So.... Lemme get this straight

Last I heard these were whites suspected of being a mercenary cell hired by Al Q

So..... These were suicide mercenaries? Caucasians, possibly locals who were hired by Al Q to blow themselves up along with their target?

Damn!

If only the CIA could find mercenaries so dedicated.

[nolabels]

81. No, not yet, no Al Q (if there is an Al Q)involved

Local yokels mostly but investigations and jury is still out others that could be involved.

[muriel_volestrangler]

82. The 'white mercenaries' theory was only ever a possibility

which wasn't widely reported. I wouldn't say that it being wrong would be much of a surprise.

[Orsino]

85. Guess that means it's time for Britain to go invade and bomb...

...another country.

[cal04]

86. Explosives found in car

Explosives have been found in a car identified by police as being linked to last Thursday's London terror attacks, Sky News reports. At least 52 people died in the attacks.

Police evacuated Luton railway station after being alerted to the suspicious vehicle this afternoon. Four controlled explosions were carried out on the car after a 100-yard cordon was placed around the station and its car park.

Meanwhile, detectives later identified a second suspect car in Leighton Buzzard, Bedfordshire.Police were alerted to the Luton car after a member of the public reported seeing four men getting out of it on Thursday morning.

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1188898,00.html

[fedsron2us]

89. There are a number of amateurish elements to the bombing

which seems unusual considering the military grade explosive that is supposed to have been used and the close coordination of the timing of at least three of the attacks. Police are said to have found a substantial amount of explosive material in the car in Luton and at one of the addresses in Leeds. Professional terrorist groups usually go to great lengths to protect the raw materials of their trade. They normally store it in secure caches and only use as much as is necessary for a given attack. Leaving quantities at the base address or in their vehicle would be breaking the basic rules of their loathsome craft. Even allowing for the fact that the bombers intended to kill themselves in the attack I still find it strange that their controllers would allow them to leave so much evidence behind. It may just be that the attackers were young and basically not very well organised but I do find it puzzling.

[Endangered Specie]

87. I hope they suffered...

murderous bastards.