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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:50 PM
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Federal Judge Says Government Money Can't Be Spent for Boy Scout Outing
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBW96TUVAE.html

CHICAGO (AP) - A federal judge has ruled the Pentagon can no longer spend millions in government money to ready a Virginia military base for a national Boy Scout event typically held every four years, the American Civil Liberties Union announced Thursday.


U.S. District Judge Blanche Manning's June 22 order stems from a 1999 lawsuit by the ACLU of Illinois that claimed the Defense Department sponsorship violates the First Amendment because the Scouts require members to swear an oath of duty to God.

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:54 PM
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1. Good. It's about time.
Hitler youth. :puke:
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 04:16 AM
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3. Agreed. No tax dollars for the Bush Youth. (nt)
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 03:06 PM
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17. Bullshit.
Hitler youth, my ass.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 04:09 PM
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Mr Creosote Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 08:12 AM
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38. I'm a scout leader
and that certainly can't be said of scouting in the UK.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:30 PM
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2. Good, and necessary ................
but I still think it's a crying shame about the Boy Scouts. If not for the religious and anti-gay crap it would be a great thing for boys to join. My dad was a successful, high-ranking boy scout back in the day, and left in high school because the scoutmaster thought he (my dad) was not a good churchgoer.

My dad, BTW, was a f---ing SAINT, RIP.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 04:19 AM
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4. interesting. now wait for the shrill outrage from the conservatives.
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okoboji Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 04:30 AM
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5. yep......
I bet you, as we sit here, Pat Robertson is already planning a 30 minute news segment on his 700 club, showing how the evil ACLU is once again attacking god and christians in the U.S. ... and don't forget about that activist judge that ruled on the case - he must be dealt with as well....
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 05:35 AM
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6. O'Lielly will have a stroke. n/t
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:38 PM
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7. yet they spend it for * and Ch* to progandize to the troops
....this hurts the wrong people
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:40 PM
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8. Poor boy scouts. Wanted to be a "private" organization but still wanted
government funding.

YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS! YOU IDIOTS MADE YOUR BED, NOW SLEEP IN IT!
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:49 PM
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12. Amen Brother Walt! n/t
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:46 PM
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9. I don't think the government should be outing boy scouts anyway
Snicker
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 03:01 PM
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14. beat me to it n/t
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 03:14 PM
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22. Then again, they do so well with undercover CIA agents...NT
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:48 PM
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10. For AP Hill-hooboy will the local talk radio be humming about this
:eyes:

The "activist judges" onslaught cometh.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:49 PM
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11. Excellent.
NT!

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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:59 PM
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13. The government shouldn't be spending our taxes on outing ANYONE
Edited on Fri Jul-08-05 03:12 PM by rocknation
:mad:

Oh, you're talking about a REAL outing...never mind...

:blush:
rocknation
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 03:01 PM
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15. Fucking bullshit.
The people who suffer here are the scouts.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 03:04 PM
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16. Here's an organization not worthy of our gov'ts support
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Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 03:07 PM
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18. Yes, I agree. They're not worthy of government support.
Drop the bigotry and maybe we can talk.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 03:09 PM
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19. If you couldn't tell, my post was very sarcastic.
The Boy and Girl Scouts are 2 orgs that should be encouraged and supported by our government.
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Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 03:10 PM
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20. Oh, I could tell.
I just don't want my tax dollars going to support hate groups.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 03:11 PM
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21. Yeah, here's a hate group for you:


Program features reflect the skills of Scouting, our national heritage, physical fitness, environmental conservation, and the true spirit of Scouting.

Daily activities include archery, bikathlon, buckskin games, confidence course, conservation programs, scuba, kayak fun, racing shell run, and raft encounters.

Regional action centers with rappelling towers are truly popular, as are trap shooting, an American Indian village, and the opening and closing arena shows, not to mention daily stage shows and many other activities. It's Scouting and American history at their very best!
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Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 03:15 PM
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23. Here's another hate group.


They were part of their national heritange, enjoyed physical fitness, conservation, hiking, shooting, archery, swimming, mountain climbing; scouting and Germany history at its, uh, best.

Funny thing is, that doesn't make up for the rampant bigotry.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 03:17 PM
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 03:21 PM
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 04:43 PM
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32. Shame isn't it?
http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/boyscouts.html


And I doubt they would have let me in as an agnostic/atheist in my teen years.
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Joj Bush Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 04:50 PM
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33. There it is again
You sure love calling people bigots a lot.
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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 03:18 PM
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25. You seem to think
that if a group does some good, it can do no wrong. That's incorrect.

The Boy Scouts want to discriminate against gays and atheists on the grounds that they're a private organization. Then, they want public money. The two don't jibe.

Let them stop their bigotry, and then they can get federal funding.
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Viking12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 03:19 PM
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26. Well, they admitted as much in arguments to SCOTUS
"The Boy Scouts asserts that homosexual conduct is inconsistent with the values embodied in the Scout Oath and Law, particularly those represented by the terms morally straight and clean, and that the organization does not want to promote homosexual conduct as a legitimate form of behavior." BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA V. DALE (99-699) 530 U.S. 640 (2000)
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 05:02 PM
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35. Can't remember the Hatred part, but I can remember the merit Bagdes
Yeah...

I'm trying to remember all the hatred I was taught in the BSA and for the life of me, I can't. I remember camping trips, merit badges, the odd weekend camp-out that my mom was "denmaster" of, and a whole lot of Star trek parties (yeah, well... we were 12 year old geeks), but I simply cannot remember when they told me hate, who to hate, how to hate and why to hate.
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 07:48 AM
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37. Lovely program, as long as you aren't gay, or an athiest. nt
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 03:22 PM
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28. Perhaps so.
But consider this. Our Skipper was a serious boy scout enthusiast. He once ordered me to take an unruly herd of boy scouts swimming at an ocean beach known for dangerous currents. Yes I was a frogman. No I was not a lifeguard.

In addition he frequently would order one or the other of our officers to take them camping.

Totally unfair to us to be involved as baby sitters and to be burdened with such a terrible responsibility.


Yes I was a frogman. No I was not a lifeguard.

180
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 04:31 PM
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30. The Boy Scouts INSISTED to the SCOTUS that they were PRIVATE, not public
And therefore they should only be funded by private, not public monies.

Homosexual Americans should not have to underwrite their neanderthal discrimination.

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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 04:42 PM
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31. Good, not one cent for them until they stop
gay and religious discrimination :applause:
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 04:52 PM
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34. Don't ask don't tell
I read the title of this thread and thought it was related to some in-the-closet boy scout that the govt. was going to pay for his outing.

oops :)
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 07:45 AM
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36. Our troops lack armor --but the DoD wastes millions on a circle jerk?
Why isn't somebody in the Pentagon up in front of a grand jury for this?
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