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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:51 AM
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Iraq signs military pact with Iran

Thu Jul 7, 2005 11:55 AM BST

By Peter Graff

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraq signed a military pact with Iran on Wednesday in a breakthrough with a former foe, but al Qaeda said it would kill Egypt's kidnapped envoy and attack more diplomats to stop the government winning international support.

Defence Minister Saadoun al-Dulaimi signed a pact in Tehran agreeing to accept Iranian military training and other cooperation with the country Iraq fought for a decade under ousted leader Saddam Hussein.

Responding to the suggestion that the thaw in ties with Iran would anger Washington, Dulaimi said: "Nobody can dictate to Iraq its relations with other countries."

Iraq is anxiously trying to improve its ties with other Muslim countries to win legitimacy and undermine insurgent support. But mainly Sunni-led Arab states have been cautious about embracing the Shi'ite-dominated, U.S.-backed Iraqi authorities.

Al Qaeda's Iraq wing, led by Jordanian Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi, said it would kill Egypt's top envoy Ihab el-Sherif, issuing photographs of personal documents as proof it held him.

Its statement referred to a "sharp sword against the infidels' ambassador", an apparent hint that he could be beheaded. It included no demands or possibility of negotiation. Zarqawi's followers have frequently filmed beheadings of captives for maximum political impact.

"The sharia court of al Qaeda Organisation in Iraq has decided to hand the apostate, the ambassador of Egypt which is allied to Jews and Christians, to the mujahideen to ... kill him," said the group. Cairo did not comment on the statement.

Sherif's abduction off the streets on Saturday was the first in a series of strikes on diplomats.

Pakistan withdrew its ambassador from Baghdad on Tuesday after his motorcade was attacked by gunmen. Bahrain's envoy was shot in the hand in his car in an apparent kidnap attempt.

The al Qaeda statement threatened more such strikes.

"This will be the fate of ambassadors of the tyrannical states because Jihadist Iraq today is not secure for infidels ... and America cannot protect itself, let alone others."







http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=w...
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justinsb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:55 AM
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1. Yes, I posted this from Al Jazeera earlier
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

It's great news, it pretty much kills Shrubs chance of going to war in Iraq , also Syria has started arresting terror suspects

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

so, things don't look good for him there either.

I would have posted it to 'latest breaking' but my posts there usually get moved and I generally think there are too many rules for it, so I've decided not to post things there anymore.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:57 AM
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2. hmmm... so does that mean if the US invades Iran via Iraq
that Iraq has to attack the US? :shrug:

Just curious.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:58 AM
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3. Great! We can leave now.
Finally, a Muslim state has stepped up and decided to take an active role in providing security for war-torn Iraq.

Just kidding.
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Sparkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:00 AM
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4. Who appears more barbaric, the west killing for OIL, or the response?
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:05 AM
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6. When will they-we (all) ever learn?
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 09:07 AM by ClayZ
It is time to end violence. Grow up barbarians, throw the weapons away, plant gardens, feed the children.

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Sparkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:11 AM
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8. Ghandi ejected the Brit's, with non-violence, bloodless and perfect.
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Chrisduhfur Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:15 AM
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9. heheh nice idea...
but as long as there are a few who do not wish for that, it will never happen.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:37 AM
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10. Welcome to DU
The Weight of a Snowflake
"Tell me the weight of a snowflake," a coalmouse asked a wild dove.
"Nothing more than nothing," the dove answered.
"In that case I must tell you a marvelous story," the coalmouse said. "I sat
on a fir branch close to the trunk when it began to snow. Not heavily, not
in a raging blizzard. No, just like in a dream, without any violence at all.
Since I didn't have anything better to do, I counted the snowflakes settling
on the twigs and needles of my branch. Their number was exactly 3,471,952.
When the next snowflake dropped onto the branch--nothing more than
nothing -- as you say -- the branch broke off."
Having said that, the coalmouse ran away.
The dove, since Noah's time an authority on peace, thought about the story
for a while. Finally, she said to herself, "Perhaps there is only one
person's voice lacking for peace to come to the world." - Source unknown

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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:53 AM
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16. As long as the people at the top of the food chain do not wish for it,
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 11:54 AM by K-W
it will never happen.

But why would they want to stop violence when they profit so much from its use.
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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:05 AM
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5. Is it me or...
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 09:08 AM by StrafingMoose

this sounds exactly like Washington doesn't want to see happening?:

"Defence Minister Saadoun al-Dulaimi signed a pact in Tehran agreeing to accept Iranian military training and other cooperation with the country Iraq fought for a decade under ousted leader Saddam Hussein."


"Benny and Zark, come and rescue our plans!"


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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:06 AM
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7. Totally unexpected! No one could have seen this coming from 2 years ago
No one not a soul... at least no one *I* saw on the liberal media
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:08 AM
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11. Iranians to train Iraq's military
Former enemies Iran and Iraq say they will launch broad military co-operation including training Iraqi armed forces.

"It's a new chapter in our relations with Iraq," said Iranian Defence Minister Admiral Ali Shamkhani.

He was speaking at a joint news conference in Tehran with his Iraqi counterpart Saadoun al-Dulaimi.

...

The promise of co-operation comes despite repeated accusations by the US - which has about 140,000 troops in Iraq - that Iran has been undermining security there.

"No one can prevent us from reaching an agreement," Mr Shamkhani said when asked about possible US opposition.

(more)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4659287.st...



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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:08 AM
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12. What should that tell our idiot leaders?
They don't want us to train their military, in fact they are willing to approach their enemies for training and security rather than face further repression and control from the bu$h regime.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:08 AM
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14. That they will lose
crave in stone, just a matter of bodies count thats all and maybe 12 years like dick say.
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:08 AM
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13. Sure does need to stay away from small planes!
I mean it!
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:41 AM
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15. DU the yahoo version, Bush must be pissed!!!
(ps, the mods only ding some of us for posting dupes, not all!)


Iraq signs military pact with Iran
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050707/ts...
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:01 PM
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17. Iraq just got itself added to the Axis of Evil
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:56 PM
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18. It already had been in the "Axis of Evil"
I don't recall Bush ever officially removing Iraq from that axis.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:27 PM
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19. BBC: Iranians to train Iraq's military
This bit of news should give a jolt to all the neocons in the US and Israel that lobbied so hard for the invasion of Iraq. If they thought Saddam was a threat to Israel, they just jumped from the pan into the fire, and deservedly so!

Iranians to train Iraq's military

Former enemies Iran and Iraq say they will launch broad military co-operation including training Iraqi armed forces.

"It's a new chapter in our relations with Iraq," said Iranian Defence Minister Admiral Ali Shamkhani.

He was speaking at a joint news conference in Tehran with his Iraqi counterpart Saadoun al-Dulaimi.

<snip>

Tehran has asked Baghdad not to allow the US to establish long-term military bases on its soil, fearing that it would consolidate what Iranians see as the American and Israeli military domination of the region.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4659287.stm
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Theduckno2 Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:06 PM
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20. So much for 'Pax Americana'
Bushco must be unnerved at the thought of losing all those military bases in Iraq. Iraq becoming allied with another member of the Axis of Evil must be infuriating to Bush. After all we did for them; imposed crippling sanctions, stood back and watched the country looted, imprisoned and tortured their citizens and nearly destoying whole cities. :sarcasm:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:22 PM
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21. US troops died to set up an Islamic Republic in Iraq!
The troops believed in the Chimp's lies about WMD. When the Chimp stopped talking about WMDs, the troops believed him when he spoke about establishing "freedom and democracy" in Iraq. When the Chimp changed the rationale for the war for the third time to the mantra that it was "better to fight the terrorist in Iraq than here," a majority of the troops continued to believe in the Chimp.

When this war ends in the inevitable US withdrawal in shame and defeat, the only truth is that the troops that died and bled for the Chimp in Iraq, died to set up an Iranian-style Islamic Republic in Iraq.
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Theduckno2 Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 12:50 AM
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22. An extremely bitter part of the Iraqi pill that was swallowed.
It would have been tolerable to just leave Iraq with a government that served the interests of all Iraqis. The recent rise of the Badr Corps (Shite militia) along with the above news indicates to me that hope is rapidly fading. A UN involvement may turn things around and it would get our troops out.
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