OKNancy
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Thu Jul-07-05 09:41 AM
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| London Blast Thread #3 - 40 reported dead in London blasts |
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http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8492258 / 40 reported dead in London blasts At least 300 hurt, 150 seriously; Blair suspects terrorism LONDON - At least 40 people were killed in the explosions that ripped through three London subway trains and a bus on Thursday, according to a U.S. law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because British officials have yet to make public the death toll. The near simultaneous explosions caused at least 300 injuries in what Prime Minister Tony Blair said was a "barbaric" terrorist attack. ----------------- Thread #2 here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Ambulance service: At least 45 dead in London terror attacks (Sky News) |
allemand |
Jul-07-05 09:42 AM |
#1 |

No politics ..... no rants ..... just sad |
Botany |
Jul-07-05 09:44 AM |
#2 |
 
Not to mention the tourists that are in the city now |
lebkuchen |
Jul-07-05 09:45 AM |
#4 |

Unfortunately, that's |
zidzi |
Jul-07-05 10:22 AM |
#58 |
 
Sad for my Brit Friends - blair & Chimp make me utterly sick! |
AuntiBush |
Jul-07-05 12:54 PM |
#183 |

like messing with a hornets nest... I grieve ever death, those in |
JRob |
Jul-07-05 10:58 AM |
#101 |

Amen JRob... "Those" responsible have no respect for human life... |
AuntiBush |
Jul-07-05 12:56 PM |
#185 |

not attempting to minimize the tragidy... why is any one shocked? |
JRob |
Jul-07-05 01:34 PM |
#210 |

A totally agree, JRob. Totally agree |
AuntiBush |
Jul-07-05 01:53 PM |
#217 |

we seem to agree a lot... |
JRob |
Jul-07-05 02:00 PM |
#219 |

London's (anti-war) mayor speaks:"not attack on the mighty or powerful" |
Monkie |
Jul-07-05 09:45 AM |
#3 |
 
Well said. |
Squatch |
Jul-07-05 09:52 AM |
#8 |
 
That's good to hear. |
Chrisduhfur |
Jul-07-05 10:04 AM |
#18 |
 
How can anyone justify suicide bombings? |
youspeakmylanguage |
Jul-07-05 10:04 AM |
#19 |
  
And anyone who votes for the violent policies of those Presidents and PMs |
grumpy old fart |
Jul-07-05 10:18 AM |
#50 |
   
So a bus bombing is justified since at least some of the passengers... |
youspeakmylanguage |
Jul-07-05 10:24 AM |
#61 |
    
Of course it's not "Justified". Just putting things in context. |
grumpy old fart |
Jul-07-05 10:39 AM |
#85 |
    
even on this morning, there is a war in iraq |
noiretblu |
Jul-07-05 10:50 AM |
#97 |
   
indeed, our violence in Iraq is not aimed at the "mighty"... |
arcane1 |
Jul-07-05 01:16 PM |
# |
   
Hmmm let me see if I understand |
Centered |
Jul-07-05 11:08 AM |
#117 |
    
you forgot one- |
LiberallyInclined |
Jul-07-05 11:55 AM |
#143 |
     
I don't agree |
Centered |
Jul-07-05 12:48 PM |
#176 |
    
Very True! What do you do with evil people in the world? |
TwentyFive |
Jul-07-05 01:21 PM |
#201 |
   
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Jul-07-05 11:54 AM |
#142 |
  
listening to Speakers Forum last night as i fell asleep the speaker |
demigoddess |
Jul-07-05 11:56 AM |
#144 |
  
Thank you spoken and written better than I could have. |
navvet |
Jul-07-05 12:40 PM |
#173 |
 
Beautifully said. Unapologetic, but the anti-violence message is loud |
blondeatlast |
Jul-07-05 10:06 AM |
#26 |
 
Livingstone's comments were quite powerful |
muriel_volestrangler |
Jul-07-05 10:08 AM |
#32 |
 
Kudos to Mayor Livingstone for telling the truth |
slackmaster |
Jul-07-05 10:17 AM |
#48 |
 
Background on Ken Livingstone, for those who don't know of him |
CoolOnion |
Jul-07-05 10:34 AM |
#77 |
 
They pulled that clip and aired it NPR this morning |
Tyrone Slothrop |
Jul-07-05 11:04 AM |
#108 |
 
it's vague at best... Why can't politicians (with the ear of the press) |
JRob |
Jul-07-05 11:07 AM |
#115 |
  
I agree, what's so great about it? nt |
mirandapriestly |
Jul-07-05 12:03 PM |
#149 |
 
I hope so monkie. He really got to the crux of the matter, so much more |
mom cat |
Jul-07-05 01:17 PM |
#196 |
 
Livingstone gave the best statement of the day |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-07-05 01:39 PM |
#211 |
 
Well there's our first clue |
LibertyorDeath |
Jul-07-05 01:42 PM |
#212 |

Just woke up to this news. I want to express that |
Coventina |
Jul-07-05 09:46 AM |
#5 |
 
Hmmm |
Chrisduhfur |
Jul-07-05 10:05 AM |
#23 |

Oh, sure, there's plenty of blame for Blair as well as Bush |
Coventina |
Jul-07-05 10:20 AM |
#52 |
 
At this point, who is to say that they're not one and the same? |
stickdog |
Jul-07-05 12:01 PM |
#146 |

Some history |
CoolOnion |
Jul-07-05 10:48 AM |
#95 |

Please don't confuse the issue |
Nihil |
Jul-07-05 11:15 AM |
#122 |

Just thinking of future LTTE's & Ken Livingston's statement |
CoolOnion |
Jul-07-05 12:36 PM |
#171 |

Live video, London blasts: t BBC Video update.. (Also Audio) |
mom cat |
Jul-07-05 09:47 AM |
#6 |

Kick |
Moderator |
Jul-07-05 09:51 AM |
#7 |

I just got the news out here on the West Coast (USA)... |
icymist |
Jul-07-05 09:53 AM |
#9 |
 
Mercy on the World |
ClayZ |
Jul-07-05 09:58 AM |
#12 |
  
Amen, amen, amen. nt |
blondeatlast |
Jul-07-05 10:22 AM |
# |
  
Yes. Amen... Can't say that one enough. |
AuntiBush |
Jul-07-05 12:59 PM |
#189 |
  
God, ClayZ - You Are Right! It's High Time to End ALL Violence |
AuntiBush |
Jul-07-05 01:23 PM |
#204 |
 
Amen |
wicket |
Jul-07-05 10:01 AM |
#16 |

Our main office is in London |
bikebloke |
Jul-07-05 09:55 AM |
#10 |
 
Fingers Crossed for you |
Dead_Parrot |
Jul-07-05 10:02 AM |
#17 |
  
Al-Queda Statement: |
Dead_Parrot |
Jul-07-05 10:06 AM |
# |
 
Londoners seem pretty clam and collected too me. |
Chrisduhfur |
Jul-07-05 10:11 AM |
#39 |
 
Sad as it is, London has plenty of experience with terrorist bombings. n/t |
jayctravis |
Jul-07-05 10:27 AM |
#69 |
 
They've dealt with terrorism for 30 years, on and off,... |
youspeakmylanguage |
Jul-07-05 10:29 AM |
#72 |
 
Londoners were amazingly calm during WWII |
CoolOnion |
Jul-07-05 12:20 PM |
#163 |
 
Good. Good. Good. Super-Glad to hear that!!!! |
AuntiBush |
Jul-07-05 01:00 PM |
#190 |
 
damn I hope everyone is ok. |
Chrisduhfur |
Jul-07-05 10:06 AM |
# |
 
Everyone accounted for and fine. |
bikebloke |
Jul-07-05 11:58 AM |
#145 |

My thoughts and prayers are with the people of London |
qanda |
Jul-07-05 09:58 AM |
#11 |

My thoughts and prayers are with the people of London. eom |
Cerridwen |
Jul-07-05 09:58 AM |
#13 |

how sad |
genevat |
Jul-07-05 10:00 AM |
#14 |
 
Dead argument: fight them there so we don't fight them here. |
halobeam |
Jul-07-05 10:07 AM |
#29 |
  
he will keep saying it |
leftchick |
Jul-07-05 11:23 AM |
#131 |
  
Yes. This is the post I looked for to make sure someone |
mbperrin |
Jul-07-05 11:29 AM |
#135 |
 
Bush says the war on terror must go on - |
Matilda |
Jul-07-05 10:08 AM |
#34 |
  
The war of terror must go on, Hail Bushler |
nolabels |
Jul-07-05 10:40 AM |
#87 |
 
Exactly |
alarimer |
Jul-07-05 11:01 AM |
#104 |
 
I thought the timing was pretty convenient to say the least |
demigoddess |
Jul-07-05 12:02 PM |
#147 |
  
Yes, what a coinky-dink that the attacks help bush |
Straight Shooter |
Jul-07-05 12:13 PM |
#154 |
   
Glad I'm not the only one with this thought. |
dbonds |
Jul-07-05 12:21 PM |
#164 |
  
Glad to see someone else is like-minded. |
AuntiBush |
Jul-07-05 01:04 PM |
#192 |
  
My yes, it was convenient now wasn't it? |
TheGoldenRule |
Jul-07-05 01:57 PM |
#218 |
 
I believe so.........and |
sojourner |
Jul-07-05 02:22 PM |
#222 |

Another kick for my friends |
AFSCME girl |
Jul-07-05 10:01 AM |
#15 |
 
Heartfelt condolences |
Tripmann |
Jul-07-05 10:05 AM |
#22 |

My neighbor says her husband is one of the injured and is being |
emad |
Jul-07-05 10:05 AM |
#20 |
 
One of the blasts was near the British Museum |
lebkuchen |
Jul-07-05 10:08 AM |
#31 |
 
(though it doesn't have to be said) Give her our best |
underpants |
Jul-07-05 10:08 AM |
#33 |
  
Thanks underpants. The irony that they are the only ones in my |
emad |
Jul-07-05 10:34 AM |
#75 |
 
Oh emad, so sorry to hear this. Hope he is OK. |
fudge stripe cookays |
Jul-07-05 11:14 AM |
#121 |
  
Thankx. Guess he's one of the lucky ones with flesh wounds |
emad |
Jul-07-05 11:20 AM |
#128 |
 
Please Stay Safe, our London Friends. Dumbo is right. |
AuntiBush |
Jul-07-05 01:25 PM |
#207 |

i just woke up saw this on the news... |
jg82567 |
Jul-07-05 10:05 AM |
#21 |

So, Georgie, any word on Osama bin Laden? Just asking. Good thing we |
yellowcanine |
Jul-07-05 10:05 AM |
#24 |
 
I find that distasteful and rather arrogant. |
Chrisduhfur |
Jul-07-05 10:09 AM |
#35 |
  
I find this distasteful, and arrogant to call this "collateral damage".... |
grumpy old fart |
Jul-07-05 10:15 AM |
#44 |
   
Very true |
Chrisduhfur |
Jul-07-05 10:18 AM |
#49 |
    
They are intimately related. Iraqi civilians, British, U.S. civilains... |
grumpy old fart |
Jul-07-05 10:21 AM |
#55 |
    
This is the exact time to point this out. It's when people may, just may |
grumpy old fart |
Jul-07-05 10:45 AM |
#92 |
    
The two are inextricably intertwined |
KevinJ |
Jul-07-05 10:45 AM |
#93 |
   
When will we learn? Never. |
malachi |
Jul-07-05 10:21 AM |
#53 |
   
... |
Dr Fate |
Jul-07-05 12:03 PM |
#148 |
  
the ragging on Bush should never cease... |
jg82567 |
Jul-07-05 10:24 AM |
#62 |
   
If they don't demand to bring troops home NOW, they are a stupid country |
confludemocrat |
Jul-07-05 10:56 AM |
#100 |
  
as a londoner, let me thank you for your kindness on this difficult mornin |
Reverend Smoothfield |
Jul-07-05 11:25 AM |
#132 |
  
the problem is Blair vs. his own country's population... |
jg82567 |
Jul-07-05 11:36 AM |
#137 |
  
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Jul-07-05 11:43 AM |
#139 |
  
That's true, but they reelected him, thus they didn't care enough |
confludemocrat |
Jul-07-05 11:53 AM |
#141 |
  
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Jul-07-05 01:16 PM |
#195 |
  
Oh Please -- Save It |
GiovanniC |
Jul-07-05 10:26 AM |
#68 |
   
And imagine how much further we could have gotten in the war on terror... |
KevinJ |
Jul-07-05 10:59 AM |
#103 |
    
greed and omnipotence... it's the oldest justification and the bravado of |
JRob |
Jul-07-05 11:28 AM |
#134 |
    
Thank you KevinJ. You are a Very Wise Soul - Peace is the Answer |
AuntiBush |
Jul-07-05 01:19 PM |
#199 |
   
Here, here!!!!! |
JRob |
Jul-07-05 11:19 AM |
#126 |
  
The only fingers to point in this are to the terroists. |
losdiablosgato |
Jul-07-05 10:27 AM |
#70 |
   
The Terrorists Did This -- And Were Able to BECAUSE of Bush |
GiovanniC |
Jul-07-05 10:39 AM |
#84 |
   
I find this sort of comment bizarre! |
tblue37 |
Jul-07-05 12:37 PM |
#172 |
  
of course it's related |
Reverend Smoothfield |
Jul-07-05 01:24 PM |
#206 |
  
Being 'tasteful' is not a priority |
UKCynic |
Jul-07-05 10:34 AM |
#76 |
  
distasteful perhaps |
Joj Bush |
Jul-07-05 10:38 AM |
#82 |
  
Give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm sure everyone is sympathetic to the |
JRob |
Jul-07-05 11:17 AM |
#123 |
  
What about |
Oversea Visitor |
Jul-07-05 11:18 AM |
#124 |
  
If this had happened in Baghdad, it would hardly be news at all. |
shayes51 |
Jul-07-05 11:21 AM |
#130 |
  
The ragging on Bush should be stepped up. Iraq, now here's the blowback |
confludemocrat |
Jul-07-05 11:38 AM |
#138 |
  
I was looking for information on donating blood |
CoolOnion |
Jul-07-05 12:52 PM |
#180 |
  
No, the "ragging on Bush" should NOT be held back. |
truth2power |
Jul-07-05 01:18 PM |
#198 |
  
Let's get REAL here. |
TheGoldenRule |
Jul-07-05 02:06 PM |
#221 |
  
Really? As arrogant as attacking a country based on a lie and then |
yellowcanine |
Jul-07-05 02:22 PM |
#223 |
 
There, now, |
DUBYASCREWEDUS |
Jul-07-05 10:20 AM |
#51 |

I'm with you.... Fuck Al Qaieda.... mad dogs.. |
trekbiker |
Jul-07-05 10:40 AM |
#86 |

Oh crap |
slackmaster |
Jul-07-05 10:06 AM |
#25 |

Sorry London. I wish you the best. |
illini |
Jul-07-05 10:06 AM |
#27 |

BBC reporting: |
emad |
Jul-07-05 10:07 AM |
#28 |
 
B*sh already capitalizing on these attacks to support his war(s)... |
icymist |
Jul-07-05 10:21 AM |
#57 |

When Poodle was doing the "shocked & grieving" speech Dumbass |
emad |
Jul-07-05 10:45 AM |
#91 |

Oh my god, I am so sad. |
myrna minx |
Jul-07-05 10:07 AM |
#30 |
 
violence begets violence...when will we learn? |
grumpy old fart |
Jul-07-05 10:12 AM |
#41 |

Too early to tell but... |
passy |
Jul-07-05 10:10 AM |
#36 |

Latest News - 3pm London time |
UKCynic |
Jul-07-05 10:10 AM |
#37 |

Oh fuck - there is no excuse for this. |
TankLV |
Jul-07-05 10:11 AM |
#38 |
 
Nor for the terrorist attackes we Americans are orchestrating... |
info being |
Jul-07-05 10:41 AM |
#88 |

If you were Tony, |
winter999 |
Jul-07-05 10:12 AM |
#40 |
 
slink out of the G-8 |
lebkuchen |
Jul-07-05 10:14 AM |
#43 |

Who do we bomb now, in retaliation, Chimpy? |
lebkuchen |
Jul-07-05 10:12 AM |
#42 |
 
Yes, how many brown babies do we kill in revenge Chimpy......? |
grumpy old fart |
Jul-07-05 10:16 AM |
#46 |
  
Bombings like this have been happening in Iraq nearly |
lizzy |
Jul-07-05 10:36 AM |
#79 |
 
exactly and millions slaughtered in Rwanda |
savemefromdumbya |
Jul-07-05 12:52 PM |
#181 |
 
Yes, we certainly will hunt them down... |
info being |
Jul-07-05 10:41 AM |
#90 |

Yes, Iran is very close to Iraq |
lebkuchen |
Jul-07-05 10:46 AM |
#94 |

Just woke up. OMG. |
Mari333 |
Jul-07-05 10:15 AM |
#45 |
 
No, actually those who set off the bombs are responsible nm |
underthedome |
Jul-07-05 10:17 AM |
#47 |
  
More than one factor can be responsible for an event. |
K-W |
Jul-07-05 10:23 AM |
#60 |
   
Christ, ok then maybe they blame Clinton nm |
underthedome |
Jul-07-05 10:25 AM |
#63 |
   
there are two reasons why the London bombings aren't a surprise... |
NorthernSpy |
Jul-07-05 11:07 AM |
#112 |
   
Exactly, trying to put exact cause in an effort to eliminate it is........ |
nolabels |
Jul-07-05 11:19 AM |
#125 |
  
As is the soldier who dropped the bomb on the Iraqi wedding party? |
grumpy old fart |
Jul-07-05 10:26 AM |
#66 |
  
Bush and Blair and the neocons set off the first bombs |
Mari333 |
Jul-07-05 10:37 AM |
#81 |
  
But it is beacuse of our WAR CRIMES |
alarimer |
Jul-07-05 11:03 AM |
#107 |
   
the Al Qaeda types don't care about war crimes... |
NorthernSpy |
Jul-07-05 11:13 AM |
#119 |
  
true... but there is this thing called the BIG PICTURE.. |
trekbiker |
Jul-07-05 11:07 AM |
#113 |
 
There were Islamic terrorists |
winter999 |
Jul-07-05 10:49 AM |
#96 |

Yes, |
CJCRANE |
Jul-07-05 01:17 PM |
#197 |

There were Islamic terrorists before Bush and Clinton |
alcibiades_mystery |
Jul-07-05 02:23 PM |
#224 |

Is this linked to the announcement that Britain would withdraw troops from |
spooked911 |
Jul-07-05 10:21 AM |
#54 |
 
Interesting connection. n/t |
daleo |
Jul-07-05 12:50 PM |
#177 |

Damn Damn Damn |
realcountrymusic |
Jul-07-05 10:21 AM |
#56 |

Interesting name they call themselves: |
HypnoToad |
Jul-07-05 10:22 AM |
#59 |
 
It certainly isnt al queda. |
K-W |
Jul-07-05 10:26 AM |
#64 |
  
Live reporting on CNN now by London Metro Police: No mention of Al Queda |
TankLV |
Jul-07-05 10:34 AM |
#78 |
  
If it walks like a duck... |
confludemocrat |
Jul-07-05 12:05 PM |
#152 |
 
You have it backwards. |
K-W |
Jul-07-05 12:24 PM |
#166 |
 
Distinction w/o a diff. Terrorists clearly unified in intent and action. |
confludemocrat |
Jul-07-05 01:47 PM |
#214 |
 
Maybe It Sounds Cooler in Another Language |
GiovanniC |
Jul-07-05 11:07 AM |
#114 |

On all levels, the world is descending into madness and savagery |
deutsey |
Jul-07-05 10:26 AM |
#65 |
 
Descending? We've been down here for a Looooonnnnnngggg time |
grumpy old fart |
Jul-07-05 10:27 AM |
#71 |

We had made some progress; but the center never holds, as the poet said |
deutsey |
Jul-07-05 10:30 AM |
#73 |

Police statement on fatalities |
muriel_volestrangler |
Jul-07-05 10:26 AM |
#67 |
 
Unknown, my ass |
BiggNife |
Jul-07-05 10:36 AM |
#80 |

OK, it's 100. What's the difference? n/t |
grumpy old fart |
Jul-07-05 10:41 AM |
#89 |

Public service announcement expert (not) |
JoFerret |
Jul-07-05 10:55 AM |
#99 |
 
Yeah, I suppose it's reasonable |
BiggNife |
Jul-07-05 12:14 PM |
#155 |

BS |
BooScout |
Jul-07-05 12:45 PM |
#174 |

The London Blasts: A Firsthand Account |
norml |
Jul-07-05 10:32 AM |
#74 |
 
"splattered blood on the cement walls of the building" |
Roland99 |
Jul-07-05 10:59 AM |
#102 |

My condolences to all t he people impacted by this. |
davsand |
Jul-07-05 10:39 AM |
#83 |

This is wrong, I am so sorry. n/t |
uppityperson |
Jul-07-05 10:55 AM |
#98 |

Yeah, but are the Saud family safe and okay? |
skooooo |
Jul-07-05 11:02 AM |
#105 |

It's hard to read through the tears |
Xipe Totec |
Jul-07-05 11:02 AM |
#106 |
 
Yikes! You must be in agony every day then, with all the killing......... |
grumpy old fart |
Jul-07-05 11:06 AM |
#110 |

Yes, I am |
Xipe Totec |
Jul-07-05 11:20 AM |
#127 |

I am so cynical |
BlueStatesForever |
Jul-07-05 11:05 AM |
#109 |
 
Ridiculous |
JoFerret |
Jul-07-05 11:51 AM |
#140 |
 
This goes way beyond Karl Rove |
AngryOldDem |
Jul-07-05 12:19 PM |
#161 |
 
Same here. Because We No Longer Trust our Media, our Leaders |
AuntiBush |
Jul-07-05 01:30 PM |
#209 |

"barbaric" terrorist attack. |
Massachusetts |
Jul-07-05 11:06 AM |
#111 |
 
The fundies won't see it, but it's right there in the New Testament.... |
grumpy old fart |
Jul-07-05 11:08 AM |
#116 |
 
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Jul-07-05 12:47 PM |
#175 |

BBC: Who has said what in response: |
emad |
Jul-07-05 11:12 AM |
#118 |

Bush says lately "be vigilant". code for: be suspicious of every nonwhite |
confludemocrat |
Jul-07-05 11:13 AM |
#120 |

We are all Londoners |
Hamsta1 |
Jul-07-05 11:20 AM |
#129 |

Utterly depraved - attacking innocent people. SICK. |
tabasco |
Jul-07-05 11:27 AM |
#133 |
 
It's true, |
ckramer |
Jul-07-05 12:03 PM |
#150 |

Jeeze, what a thing to wake up to |
LeftPeopleFinishFirst |
Jul-07-05 11:32 AM |
#136 |

God Save the Union Jack! |
Dr Fate |
Jul-07-05 12:04 PM |
#151 |

My heart goes out to all people in British. |
Rainscents |
Jul-07-05 12:07 PM |
#153 |

uk red cross web site, fyi |
steve2470 |
Jul-07-05 12:15 PM |
#156 |

I am so pissed off at the fuckers that do this |
high density |
Jul-07-05 12:15 PM |
#157 |
 
He's such a sleazeball |
LeftPeopleFinishFirst |
Jul-07-05 12:51 PM |
#179 |

eye for an eye |
scarface2004 |
Jul-07-05 12:16 PM |
#158 |

Four London Blasts Kill 40, Injure 350 |
steve2470 |
Jul-07-05 12:17 PM |
#159 |

Statement claiming London attacks |
steve2470 |
Jul-07-05 12:18 PM |
#160 |

London terror attacks of the past 25 years |
steve2470 |
Jul-07-05 12:20 PM |
#162 |

London details from Sky News |
steve2470 |
Jul-07-05 12:23 PM |
#165 |

How Long Will It Take For The Rightwingers |
stepnw1f |
Jul-07-05 12:32 PM |
#167 |

Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-07-05 12:33 PM |
#168 |
 
So... let me get this straight... |
LeftPeopleFinishFirst |
Jul-07-05 12:50 PM |
#178 |
 
You sound like a Freeper to me. |
BooScout |
Jul-07-05 12:53 PM |
#182 |

i alerted that post |
LeftPeopleFinishFirst |
Jul-07-05 12:55 PM |
#184 |

Good.... |
BooScout |
Jul-07-05 12:56 PM |
#186 |

Double post n/t |
BooScout |
Jul-07-05 12:56 PM |
#187 |

Rove won't slip away though? |
savemefromdumbya |
Jul-07-05 12:34 PM |
#169 |

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Jul-07-05 12:56 PM |
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Jul-07-05 01:08 PM |
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Police now say total dead is 37 |
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Jul-07-05 01:53 PM |
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Jul-07-05 01:46 PM |
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Jul-07-05 01:50 PM |
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The bastards: I hope Scotland Yard gets the people who did this and puts |
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Jul-07-05 02:26 PM |
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| 1. Ambulance service: At least 45 dead in London terror attacks (Sky News) |
| 2. No politics ..... no rants ..... just sad |
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Blessings and prayers on the victims, families, friends, and our English friends. 
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lebkuchen
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Thu Jul-07-05 09:45 AM
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| 4. Not to mention the tourists that are in the city now |
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Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 10:06 AM by lebkuchen
European cities are full of tourists at the moment, especially London.
Yes, Blair, "barbaric," just like the daisy-cutter bombs you and yours dropped on innocent people in Iraq. As Richard Clark had predicted, your preemptive attack on Iraq--and your little buddy's, the Chimp--has brought more terror on the world, not less. Wake the hell up. You brought this on all of us.
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:22 AM
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| 58. Unfortunately, that's |
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Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 10:26 AM by zidzi
what I thought when I saw the word "barbaric".."unfortunate" that it had to have happened!
blair and chimp will never admit even to themselves that this is another direct cause of their bombing Iraq.
My prayers are with you, London!
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AuntiBush
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Thu Jul-07-05 12:54 PM
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| 183. Sad for my Brit Friends - blair & Chimp make me utterly sick! |
JRob
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:58 AM
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| 101. like messing with a hornets nest... I grieve ever death, those in |
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Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 10:59 AM by JRob
London today as well as the ongoing death in Iraq and other places in the world and indeed our "leaders" have brought this upon us...
this uncredited quote from the CNN report and especially the part about "respect" for life is representative of how delusional and or unaccountable are the powers that be...
"All of our countries have suffered from the impact of terrorism. Those responsible have no respect for human life. We are united in our resolve to confront and defeat this terrorism that is not an attack on one nation, but all nations and on civilized people everywhere."
Fuck you very much guys for pursuing agendas that line your pockets and endanger the masses.
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Thu Jul-07-05 12:56 PM
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| 185. Amen JRob... "Those" responsible have no respect for human life... |
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blair and chimp think they've got the masses back into terror, and fear... bad. This is sad. And this is bad. I'm speechless.
But that F-U ain't bad. Thanks for saying it for me.
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| 210. not attempting to minimize the tragidy... why is any one shocked? |
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the "Those", "responsible" who "have no respect for human life..." are Bush and Blair etc.! And this will continue until we change our politics.
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Thu Jul-07-05 01:53 PM
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| 217. A totally agree, JRob. Totally agree |
| 219. we seem to agree a lot... |
| 3. London's (anti-war) mayor speaks:"not attack on the mighty or powerful" |
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http://ichounslow.icnetwork.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=1571... London Mayor Ken Livingstone said the blasts that ripped through his city were "mass murder" carried out by terrorists bent on "indiscriminate... slaughter". ~snip~ "I want to say one thing: This was not a terrorist attack against the mighty or the powerful, it is not aimed at presidents or prime ministers, it was aimed at ordinary working-class Londoners," Livingstone said. "That isn't an ideology, it isn't even a perverted faith, it's mass murder," Livingstone said. "We know what the objective is. They seek to divide London." I love Ken,i wonder if his comment about the mighty and the powerful wil l be widely reported.
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Squatch
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Thu Jul-07-05 09:52 AM
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Chrisduhfur
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:04 AM
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Often times the loudest people during times like this are the ones who have nothing good to say.
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youspeakmylanguage
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:04 AM
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| 19. How can anyone justify suicide bombings? |
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"I want to say one thing: This was not a terrorist attack against the mighty or the powerful, it is not aimed at presidents or prime ministers, it was aimed at ordinary working-class Londoners," Livingstone said.
Exactly. Suicide bombers target the working class, utilizing public transportation, for death and destruction, supposedly in retaliation for decisions made by politicians and generals riding around in bulletproof Mercedes and Cadillacs.
Anyone here who attempts to justify suicide bombings politically is not worth debating.
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grumpy old fart
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:18 AM
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| 50. And anyone who votes for the violent policies of those Presidents and PMs |
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should take a long hard look at what they've fostered. Violence begets violence.
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youspeakmylanguage
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:24 AM
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| 61. So a bus bombing is justified since at least some of the passengers... |
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Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 10:25 AM by youspeakmylanguage
...might have voted for a warmongering politician? I salute you, sir! Especially on this of all mornings! 
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grumpy old fart
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:39 AM
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| 85. Of course it's not "Justified". Just putting things in context. |
noiretextatique
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:50 AM
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| 97. even on this morning, there is a war in iraq |
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taking the lives of ordinary citizens, just like the ones in london. as the poster said: violence begets violence. whether it's bombs dropped by the USA or suicide bombers: the dead are still dead.
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arcane1
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Thu Jul-07-05 01:16 PM
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| indeed, our violence in Iraq is not aimed at the "mighty"... |
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or "powerful" either... rather, the poor, hungry, and desperate average person there sad 
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Centered
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Thu Jul-07-05 11:08 AM
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| 117. Hmmm let me see if I understand |
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So if you blow up tomorrow morning in a terrorist attack... we can all sit back and say you deserved it since you pay your taxes thereby supporting the military? Or perhaps you live in a district that voted a certain way? Or a city that voted a certain way? Or a state?? Or a country...
Enjoy your life... someone like you will certainly celebrate your death... that is really sad mate. To proclaim you dislike violence and then to be so dismissive of mass destruction... how hollow your existence must be.
Violence may beget violence as you say... but even violence has it's place. If no one else has weapons then we shall all be slaves to the one who does.
You have every right to say what you wish... but my friend you should be willing to fight and die to ensure that I have the right to disagree with you... that's what the USA is about.
Democrats are not anti-war, they are tough as nails and very willing to go to war to defend freedom. Perhaps you are affiliated with the wrong party. Clinton, Johnson, Kennedy, Truman and Roosevelt all were prepared to send troops into harms way to defend either this nation...it's ideals... or to stand up and fight for those who couldn't. Are you saying that they were war-mongers too because if you are then please join the Green party or something. The love and support for the military that the Democratic party has should never be questioned and neither should our backbone. I despise Republicans who say things like that and I certainly hate it more if it comes from a fellow Democrat.
Just because I support your right to say what you wish doesn't mean I have to sit here and not challenge it.
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LiberallyInclined
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Thu Jul-07-05 11:55 AM
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"...Clinton, Johnson, Kennedy, Truman and Roosevelt all were prepared to send troops into harms way to defend either this nation...it's ideals... or to stand up and fight for those who couldn't..."
you forgot the number one reason that American presidents send their bravest and brightest to fight and die abroad- to protect the interests of the stockholders of American corporations.
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Centered
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Thu Jul-07-05 12:48 PM
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World War 2 was not about American Corporations, The Cuban Missle Crisis was not about American Corporations, Korea was not about American Corporations, Vietnam was not about American Corporations, Bosnia was not about American Corporations...
Neither was WW1... I don't see how you can say that and actually believe it. Find proof that a Democratic president engaged our military in combat for personal or corporate gain and I will accept your statements as a rebuttal to mine... but don't say something like that without proof please.
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TwentyFive
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Thu Jul-07-05 01:21 PM
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| 201. Very True! What do you do with evil people in the world? |
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Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 01:21 PM by TwentyFive
Think back to your school years. Remember the Bullies beating up on the other kids, causing trouble, etc. There are 'bad seeds' in the world...and the question is, how do you deal with them.
War should ALWAYS be a last resort. Democrats mostly abide by this. Republicans are sad...been taken over by a bunch of neoCons (most of whom avioded/evaded serving)...all too eager to deploy soldiers (like they are a toy) and play Macho Man from behind several layers of protection.
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demigoddess
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Thu Jul-07-05 11:56 AM
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| 144. listening to Speakers Forum last night as i fell asleep the speaker |
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pointed out that this is nothing new. vietcong targeted cafes and so has every resistance movement. they are just fighting a superior force any way they can. We give them the ammunition and excuse by invading and killing their people so it looks like only payback to them, not an atrocity. The speaker I heard pointed out that imperialism never works and invading Iraq is imperialism whether we want to admit it or not. He also pointed out that we deal with non-democratic regimes in the area while demanding democracy in the regimes we wish to topple. The hypocrisy of it all.
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navvet
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Thu Jul-07-05 12:40 PM
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| 173. Thank you spoken and written better than I could have. |
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"Exactly. Suicide bombers target the working class, utilizing public transportation, for death and destruction, supposedly in retaliation for decisions made by politicians and generals riding around in bulletproof Mercedes and Cadillacs. Anyone here who attempts to justify suicide bombings politically is not worth debating." We must convince the country that we can be trusted to defend it, until we do we will keep losing on the national level. Many comments I have heard and read today do not help us at all. God help this divided country.
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:06 AM
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| 26. Beautifully said. Unapologetic, but the anti-violence message is loud |
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and clear.
Well, said, mayor. God bless you and your citizens.
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muriel_volestrangler
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:08 AM
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| 32. Livingstone's comments were quite powerful |
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They're worth seeing on video if you can find them (Sky News showed them).
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slackmaster
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:17 AM
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| 48. Kudos to Mayor Livingstone for telling the truth |
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Mass murder without an underlying ideology or even a perverted faith to support it.
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CoolOnion
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:34 AM
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| 77. Background on Ken Livingstone, for those who don't know of him |
Tyrone Slothrop
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Thu Jul-07-05 11:04 AM
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| 108. They pulled that clip and aired it NPR this morning |
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They were running a BBC feed by that point, however.
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JRob
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Thu Jul-07-05 11:07 AM
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| 115. it's vague at best... Why can't politicians (with the ear of the press) |
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come right out and say it? In clear and certain language for Christ's sake?
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Thu Jul-07-05 12:03 PM
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| 149. I agree, what's so great about it? nt |
mom cat
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Thu Jul-07-05 01:17 PM
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| 196. I hope so monkie. He really got to the crux of the matter, so much more |
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than Bush did it his slurry of words.
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Lydia Leftcoast
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Thu Jul-07-05 01:39 PM
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| 211. Livingstone gave the best statement of the day |
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I didn't know much about him before this, but I was impressed.
I didn't realize until Newsworld International reported it, that he is in Singapore for the Olympic Committee's meeting.
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LibertyorDeath
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Thu Jul-07-05 01:42 PM
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| 212. Well there's our first clue |
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"I want to say one thing: This was not a terrorist attack against the mighty or the powerful, it is not aimed at presidents or prime ministers, it was aimed at ordinary working-class Londoners," Livingstone said.
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| 5. Just woke up to this news. I want to express that |
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my thoughts and prayers are with my fellow humans in London.
I am so very sorry our criminal president has dragged you into this.
(If it does indeed turn out to be AQ-related)
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Chrisduhfur
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:05 AM
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Well if we are going to blame people we should also Blame their leaders too, not just the ones in the US. We should also blame the cowards who did it. Although my first thought was the IRA, but that doesn't seem to be adding up.
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Coventina
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:20 AM
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| 52. Oh, sure, there's plenty of blame for Blair as well as Bush |
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and OF COURSE the criminals who did this act.
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stickdog
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Thu Jul-07-05 12:01 PM
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| 146. At this point, who is to say that they're not one and the same? |
CoolOnion
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:48 AM
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"Although my first thought was the IRA, but that doesn't seem to be adding up." When the IRA was active (they've been on ceasefire since 1997), they always tried to do "spectaculars" with plenty of advance warning, to minimize civilian casualties. After Bloody Friday ( http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/events/bfriday/sum.htm ), the IRA Army Council banned the use of car bombs, because they were too unpredictable and "indiscriminate."
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Nihil
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Thu Jul-07-05 11:15 AM
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| 122. Please don't confuse the issue |
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I will only post once on this subject today but I would strongly suggest you look into events like the Warrington bombing ... definitely falls into your category of "spectacular" but the minimal advance warning was deliberately intended to herd survivors from the first bomb into the locality of the second bomb - thus maximising the civilian casualties. In this case the civilian casualties weren't merely "collateral damage" from an attack aimed at a guard post or whatever but children on a shopping trip. This was not an isolated incident but other terrorist groups learned a lot about timing for effect from it.
I am in no mood to debate the wrongs and wrongs of the Irish struggle today (there are no "rights" to justify the centuries of evil) but, just in my opinion, your comment comes across as flame-bait on a day where there have been too many real flames to warrant discussion here.
If it was a mistake then please accept my apologies for being too sensitive on certain issues.
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CoolOnion
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Thu Jul-07-05 12:36 PM
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| 171. Just thinking of future LTTE's & Ken Livingston's statement |
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http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalne... "This was not a terrorist attack against the mighty and the powerful; it is not aimed at presidents or prime ministers; it was aimed at ordinary working class Londoners, black and white, Muslim and Christians, Hindu and Jew, young and old, indiscriminate attempt at slaughter irrespective of any considerations, of age, of class, of religion, whatever, that isn't an ideology, it isn't even a perverted faith, it's just indiscriminate attempt at mass murder, and we know what the objective is, they seek to divide London. They seek to turn Londoners against each other and Londoners will not be divided by this cowardly attack," said Mr Livingston. I was also thinking Condoleeza Rice's confirmation hearing statement that all terrorism is the same; attacks like 9/11 today's bombing are unprecedented. We need more leaders like Ken Livingston, who understand that all acts of "terrorism" cannot be painted with the same broad brush.
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| 6. Live video, London blasts: t BBC Video update.. (Also Audio) |
| 9. I just got the news out here on the West Coast (USA)... |
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God Bless the people of London. You're in my prayers.
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ClayZ
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Thu Jul-07-05 09:58 AM
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It is HIGH time to end the violence everywhere.
We must!
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blondeatlast
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:22 AM
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AuntiBush
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Thu Jul-07-05 12:59 PM
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| 189. Yes. Amen... Can't say that one enough. |
AuntiBush
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Thu Jul-07-05 01:23 PM
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| 204. God, ClayZ - You Are Right! It's High Time to End ALL Violence |
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And bring back "DIPLOMACY!" Like sitting down w/those we do not agree wit, nor understand and say "Let's talk."
Screw the powers that are (no longer to be - they are already at that pivotal level).
How about "HOLDING HANDS" not just across American to re-unite our nation that's divided by Hur Bullshi$ and bLAIR but to show solidarity for all humanity accross the globe.
Anyone notice what that one report said - Trying to "divide" Brits now too. WTF? Just like here, maybe?
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:01 AM
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| 10. Our main office is in London |
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They've done a head count. Still hunting down some folk. Everyone there has been told to sit tight.
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:02 AM
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| 17. Fingers Crossed for you |
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I've just finished phoning around, everyone Mrs. Parrot and myself know are accounted for. Phew...
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Dead_Parrot
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:06 AM
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From the BBC: "In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate, may peace be upon the cheerful one and undaunted fighter, Prophet Muhammad, God's peace be upon him. Nation of Islam and Arab nation: Rejoice for it is time to take revenge against the British Zionist Crusader government in retaliation for the massacres Britain is committing in Iraq and Afghanistan. The heroic mujahideen have carried out a blessed raid in London. Britain is now burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern, and western quarters. We have repeatedly warned the British Government and people. We have fulfilled our promise and carried out our blessed military raid in Britain after our mujahideen exerted strenuous efforts over a long period of time to ensure the success of the raid. We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all the Crusader governments that they will be punished in the same way if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. He who warns is excused. God says: "You who believe: If ye will aid (the cause of) Allah, He will aid you, and plant your feet firmly." ============ Fuck you.
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| 39. Londoners seem pretty clam and collected too me. |
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I don't see much panic going on.
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jayctravis
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:27 AM
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| 69. Sad as it is, London has plenty of experience with terrorist bombings. n/t |
youspeakmylanguage
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:29 AM
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| 72. They've dealt with terrorism for 30 years, on and off,... |
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...from the radical Provos.
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CoolOnion
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Thu Jul-07-05 12:20 PM
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| 163. Londoners were amazingly calm during WWII |
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I remember a film I saw in high school history class about the bombing of London; businessmen "kept up appearances," going to bombed out buildings in their suits and bowler hats, carrying umbrellas and briefcases as if it were just another day at the office.
In the U.S., we could use some of their resolute calmness.
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AuntiBush
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Thu Jul-07-05 01:00 PM
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| 190. Good. Good. Good. Super-Glad to hear that!!!! |
Chrisduhfur
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:06 AM
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| damn I hope everyone is ok. |
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It's a shame that things have to be like this. Innocents have to suffer because of nuts on both sides.
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bikebloke
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Thu Jul-07-05 11:58 AM
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| 145. Everyone accounted for and fine. |
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Though some folk might be stranded at the office tonight. I have mates who have some terribly long commutes. Others were stranded outside the city, coming in.
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| 11. My thoughts and prayers are with the people of London |
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And all of those who will experience the terror of violence today, including those in Iraq and Afghanistan. May peace one day rule the day!
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| 13. My thoughts and prayers are with the people of London. eom |
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is this the 'terrorist attack' that bush/blair will use to justify more war?
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halobeam
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:07 AM
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| 29. Dead argument: fight them there so we don't fight them here. |
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Worst most twisted statement this admin. has made. Such BS.... now what do we say back.... how's that working for ya? Son of a bitches. Stupid ass elite. Damn it.
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leftchick
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Thu Jul-07-05 11:23 AM
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| 131. he will keep saying it |
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he keeps saying the 9/11 Iraq lies. The US media does not hold him accountable for any of his lies and distortions. So he will keep saying it. He will also say "the world is safer because saddam is gone". 
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mbperrin
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Thu Jul-07-05 11:29 AM
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| 135. Yes. This is the post I looked for to make sure someone |
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else pointed it out. Thank you. We can never make ourselves safe by killing people elsewhere and then expecting ourselves to be immune.
Thank you for remembering Crazy Reason #7 for killing brown people who live over oil in the ground.
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Matilda
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:08 AM
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| 34. Bush says the war on terror must go on - |
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does that mean invade Iran? Or perhaps it will be Syria.
I do feel for the people of London, because most of them didn't want the invasion of Iraq, but they're the ones paying the price.
I also feel for the people of Iraq, because this is what they're experiencing every day, especially in Baghdad. But nobody's making any reference to that.
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nolabels
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:40 AM
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| 87. The war of terror must go on, Hail Bushler |
alarimer
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Thu Jul-07-05 11:01 AM
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It's their fault to begin with for not going after the right people. Bib Laden? We don't really care about him? We know where he is?. Then why the fuck didn't you get him? Bush and Blair bear the responsibility for this. Entirely. Fuckers.
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demigoddess
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Thu Jul-07-05 12:02 PM
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| 147. I thought the timing was pretty convenient to say the least |
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a reporter this morning said that this might help Bush make his point at the g8 meeting. That now he would take a leadership role.
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Straight Shooter
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Thu Jul-07-05 12:13 PM
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| 154. Yes, what a coinky-dink that the attacks help bush |
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I was just expressing that to a friend probably at the same time you were making your post.
"Isn't it con-veeeen-yent?" I said.
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dbonds
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Thu Jul-07-05 12:21 PM
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| 164. Glad I'm not the only one with this thought. |
AuntiBush
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Thu Jul-07-05 01:04 PM
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| 192. Glad to see someone else is like-minded. |
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I don't believe in coincidences anymore w/regards to everything going on. So, innocent people must die in London to bring McCain onto MSNCB to rally "support" for Hur Bushivitz's cause.
I know some won't like what I'm about to post and while I'm sickened by those deaths, saddened beyond belief, so too do I feel as much for the countless lives lost in Iraq and elsewhere by leaders whom do not send their own into combat. And I do mean on all sides of this disgusting doubled-sided coin.
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earth mom
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Thu Jul-07-05 01:57 PM
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| 218. My yes, it was convenient now wasn't it? |  |
sojourner
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Thu Jul-07-05 02:22 PM
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| 222. I believe so.........and |
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there is nothing to hope for, I fear, without hoping in vain.
The criminals running this world are bent on destruction. Not one of them cares for the common class...we are indeed fodder for their wars, slaves for their factories and most imminently replaceable, especially if they can get us to reproduce like rabbits (no abortion, no birth control).
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| 15. Another kick for my friends |
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and family in and around London.....
AFSCME girl
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:05 AM
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| 22. Heartfelt condolences |
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to our friends in London
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| 20. My neighbor says her husband is one of the injured and is being |
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treated at the Royal London Hospital. Mostly lacerations from flying glass....
Meanwhile London radio reports that City of London cops are now under the command of the UK's Military Police. As close to coup d'etat conditions as you can actually get without stuffing Poodle & Co into the Tower of London and throwing the key down the toilet.
Dumbo's Dept of Homeland Insecurity must be glowing with pride....
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lebkuchen
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:08 AM
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| 31. One of the blasts was near the British Museum |
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Obviously, the attacks were meant to send a message far and wide.
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underpants
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:08 AM
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| 33. (though it doesn't have to be said) Give her our best |
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My wife had to turn it off this morning. Too much and just too sad.
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emad
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:34 AM
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| 75. Thanks underpants. The irony that they are the only ones in my |
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road who have the "Blair/Bush World's No 1 Terrorists" stuck on their front window will not be lost, I am sure....
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fudge stripe cookays
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Thu Jul-07-05 11:14 AM
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| 121. Oh emad, so sorry to hear this. Hope he is OK. |
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Give your neighbor lots of love from across the pond. And tell her we're doing our best to get rid of the bastard.
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| 128. Thankx. Guess he's one of the lucky ones with flesh wounds |
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only.
Someone else in our street is saying their sister is still unaccounted for.....
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AuntiBush
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Thu Jul-07-05 01:25 PM
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| 207. Please Stay Safe, our London Friends. Dumbo is right. |
| 21. i just woke up saw this on the news... |
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Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 10:11 AM by jg82567
i think a lot of us have been anticipating something like thisexcept maybe closer to home...all the elements were in place...missing white girl, shark stories, president's low approval numbers= terrorist attack...it's funny how we had all those terror alerts every time the wind blew before the election and yet even now with this attack in London, only Massachussets has issued one...where's freakin homeland security? you couldn't get tom ridge off tv leading up to election day but bombs going off all over London...nothing!
we should have figured something was up from *'s tryke accident yesterday, he usually loses motor control when he'sunder stress, so, i guess he had a lot on his mind...
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| 24. So, Georgie, any word on Osama bin Laden? Just asking. Good thing we |
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have Saddam locked up tight though. Otherwise the terrorists might be using Iraq to train and become even more dangerous. Err...Never mind.
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Chrisduhfur
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:09 AM
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| 35. I find that distasteful and rather arrogant. |
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I am sure the Brits would feel the same way about that comment. I am sorry but first of all we can't say for sure who did this, second of all even if it was Osama and his buddies the ragging on Bush should be held back for at least a little bit. This is a tragedy for them and all people can do is somehow make it about the US. Whether the comments is "Good job Bush" or "Libs allowed this to happen". They are both very tasteless and those who make them should be ashamed.
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grumpy old fart
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:15 AM
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| 44. I find this distasteful, and arrogant to call this "collateral damage".... |
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 violence begets violence...when will we learn?
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Chrisduhfur
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:18 AM
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but as I said right now is not the best time to go on the attack that diverts attention away from the tragedy that took place just now(the one THIS THREAD is about). If you were to have posted those comments in a thread about the war in Iraq and civlian deaths, then that would have been a different story.
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grumpy old fart
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:21 AM
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| 55. They are intimately related. Iraqi civilians, British, U.S. civilains... |
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dying because of the policies of their leaders, ours elected, theirs not.
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grumpy old fart
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:45 AM
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| 92. This is the exact time to point this out. It's when people may, just may |
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be able to feel some empathy for the senseless loss of innocent life.
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primavera
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:45 AM
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| 93. The two are inextricably intertwined |
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Of course, we all feel for the victoms of the tragedy, but you can be quite sure that there will be more of them in the future and an ever-escalating cycle of violence producing more and more and more innocent victims as long as our and Britain's approach to the rest of the world is to "crusade against the evildoers." Please notice that countries which have not attempted to impose their narrow, moralistic views onto the rest of the world are not being attacked by terrorists. I do not suggest that the victims of the attacks in London in any way deserved to be attacked, but attacks of this variety were certainly the predictable consequence of British and US policy. And as long as we choose to view such attacks as acts of incomprehensible, irrational evil, totally unrelated to the benificent policies of our governments' charitable practices of cruise-missiling civilians, we're never going to understand why the ranks of al Qaeda continue to swell and the cycle of violence grows ever more bloody. Attempting to disconnect the two is tantamount to inviting more reprehensible attacks just like today's.
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malachi
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:21 AM
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| 53. When will we learn? Never. |
Dr Fate
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Thu Jul-07-05 12:03 PM
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Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 12:03 PM by Dr Fate
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carpe diem
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:24 AM
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| 62. the ragging on Bush should never cease... |
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he has made the whole world a much more dangerous place with HIS incompetence and arrogance...and we see clearly the evidence of that this morning....his great claim to the presidency was the ability to protect us and we got 9/11 on his watch, a war with no end in sight and almost 2000 dead soldiers that he LIED us into...and now this in London and I think the Brits are probably thinking the same thing...they are not as easily manipulated and knee-jerk as we are...they will likely process and respond to this in an intelligent and thoughtful and much more EFFECTIVE manner even though Blair will try to use this to increase support for the war in England...they are NOT a stupid country so such manipulations are not likely to work, they will probably demand that their troops be brought home NOW...
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confludemocrat
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:56 AM
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| 100. If they don't demand to bring troops home NOW, they are a stupid country |
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My guess is they won't make that demand as distasteful as they find the business in Iraq, they are still not likely to do what needs to be done, they are too much like us: ingrained belief in their superiority in the world.
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Reverend Smoothfield
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Thu Jul-07-05 11:25 AM
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| 132. as a londoner, let me thank you for your kindness on this difficult mornin |
carpe diem
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Thu Jul-07-05 11:36 AM
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| 137. the problem is Blair vs. his own country's population... |
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HE brought England into Iraq AGAINST the wishes of 98% of his own people...the PEOPLE never wanted thier military involved in W's war for oil and THEY will probably demand it but Blair will 'strengthen his resolve'...
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Thu Jul-07-05 11:43 AM
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confludemocrat
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Thu Jul-07-05 11:53 AM
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| 141. That's true, but they reelected him, thus they didn't care enough |
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about the horrors they helped happen in Iraq. Maybe they thought they were only peripheral accomplices to that crime against humanity-too peripheral to have an enraged set of crazies go after them.
provoking a mad dog.
lets face it: this is about the war in Iraq nothing more, nothing less.
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GiovanniC
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:26 AM
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Let's start with the generally accepted assumption that Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda were responsible for the September 11 attacks on the United States. Serious efforts should have been made to bring those responsible to justice.
Instead, the attacks were used as a justification to attack a country that had nothing to do with the attacks, and resources were diverted away from more worthy causes. Imagine what could be done to boost our security and intelligence initiatives with the billions of dollars wasted in order to tear apart an entire country and to kill 100,000 of its innocent civilian population. Imagine what could have been accomplished in the hunt for Osama bin Laden and other members of his organization if over a hundred thousand troops were out looking for him instead of being sitting ducks in Iraq. Imagine how many fewer terrorists there would be worldwide if we weren't out killing people's children, destroying their livelihoods and removing their hope.
Events like this UNDERSCORE AND EMPHASIZE the need to criticize the horrific things that Bush has done that have brought us to this point, and have placed not just ourselves but also our friends across the pond in increasing danger -- all for the sake of more money and more power for the already wealthy and already powerful.
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primavera
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:59 AM
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| 103. And imagine how much further we could have gotten in the war on terror... |
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... had we not squandered the good will of the international community which, for one brief, shining moment, was firmly united behind us instead of against us.
It always amazes me talking to neocon "realists" who feel so strongly that the events of 9/11 (and the subsequent escalation of gloabl terrorism) necessitates violence. They'll claim that it's irresponsible to not act when the country is at risk, with which I agree completely, yet why is it that the only response they consider effective and responsible is a purely violent one? Why don't they recognize that, as in every other aspect of life, there are always multiple solutions to problems and the violent one is almost never the most effective one? Yet it's this huge blind spot for them, they simply can't perceive any course of action other than more and more violence. And it never seems to dawn on them that escalating violence not only doesn't seem to reduce violence, but invariably increases it, which in turn inspires them to escalte their violence yet again, perpetuating the cycle and yet they never question the validity of their methods, no matter how catastrophic the results are, it's just amazing. Talk about myopia!
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| 134. greed and omnipotence... it's the oldest justification and the bravado of |
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it appeals to similar egos (eg neocons) who would screw their own mother for a buck.
This is just the latest chapter... consider what the US did to the American Indians, what was being said in the press then...
Some things never change.
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AuntiBush
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Thu Jul-07-05 01:19 PM
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| 199. Thank you KevinJ. You are a Very Wise Soul - Peace is the Answer |
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Thanks KevinJ. Agree! It takes a very wise, well-thought out compassionate soul to come to this surmise.
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JRob
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Thu Jul-07-05 11:19 AM
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losdiablosgato
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:27 AM
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| 70. The only fingers to point in this are to the terroists. |
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I don't like GWB anymore then the rest of you all, but he did not do this. The terrorists did. They deserve the scorn not him. There is nothing that excuses this.
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GiovanniC
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:39 AM
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| 84. The Terrorists Did This -- And Were Able to BECAUSE of Bush |
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Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 10:49 AM by GiovanniC
Bush's policies have allowed true terrorist organizations to thrive by focusing his attention and our resources on a country that posed no threat.
Bush's illegal war kills a four-year-old boy on the side of the road outside of Baghdad. Suddenly the boy's father, three older brothers, five uncles, and eight cousins have vowed revenge against the United States and 17 terrorists are born from the death of one small child. Terrorists are being created at an exponential rate where few would have likely existed in the absense of Bush's policies.
Bush's disregard for international law and the Geneva Conventions lead to the US torture of Muslims. The Middle East is outraged and Bush's policies are a catalyst for massive recruitment for terrorist groups.
Bush's lust for oil led him to have troops secure oil fields while leaving HUGE weapons caches basically unprotected. Massive amounts of explosives and ordinance were stolen from these weapons depots by terrorists while the bulk of our troops were off guarding that sweet, sweet precious crude.
Bush administration policies have been pro-terrorism policies either by design or by ignorance and stupidity. At this point, the ability of terrorist organizations to coordinate massive attacks such as the one seen in London this morning are the direct result of Bush's policies and a good deal of the blame belongs with him. It may not be his fault that the terrorists want to attack London, but it is certainly his fault that they are capable of it.
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tblue37
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Thu Jul-07-05 12:37 PM
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| 172. I find this sort of comment bizarre! |
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Look at the statement made by the group claiming responsibility. It specifically says that the bombings are in retaliation for the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan. That was also the case for the bombings in Spain.
The Spaniards threw out the government responsible for joining Bush's illegal invasion. These London bombings are intended to produce a similar effect in England--to force England to withdraw its troops from Iraq and Afghanistan.
The bombings are evil, and innocents have died. Yes, blame the terrorists.
But don't pretend that this is not closely related to the choice made by Bush (and acquiesced to by Blair) to attack a sovereign country and bomb its innocent people into the stone age.
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Reverend Smoothfield
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Thu Jul-07-05 01:24 PM
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| 206. of course it's related |
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whether you agree with it or not--and i gather you don't--we're at war with a bunch of people who happily target civilians in furtherance of their pipe-dream to live in an islamic theocracy. sure, they started it, but at this stage we're trying to kill their troops and they're trying to kill our civilians to make our governments withdraw our troops. that's just a truism. but to say our governments are therefore to BLAME for the islamofascists' counterstrikes is kind of missing the point. which is that all things being equal, we want them to leave us alone, whereas they want us to kneel before almighty allah. that's why we're at war.
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UKCynic
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:34 AM
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| 76. Being 'tasteful' is not a priority |
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As a Brit I am not in the least offended by someone pointing out that terrorism is a result not a cause. This is a very bad thing, a disaster for those who have lost people, but if we don't understand why it has happened we are lost.
Terrorism is caused by deprivation, social discrimination, and hopelesness. A helicopter gunship murdering the guests at your sister's wedding will do it every time. We create terrorists by bombing and killing innocent civilians, and the US permits the Israelis to do the same. The problem is not only in Iraq, the problem that was caused by the artificial creation of the state of Israel (by us, I admit) has also to be solved.
Latest deaths confirmed in London - 33
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Joj Bush
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:38 AM
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Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 10:41 AM by Joj Bush
For a moment, ragging on Bush could be held back. However, we should stay vigilant because not for a moment will Bush stop thinking about how to use this event to his advantage and to make our world even worse. It would be nice if this were a time when we could all come together, and support each other, etc., but that's how this whole Iraq thing started. Bush had everyone's support after 9/11, but let's not get fooled again. We have to be ready to blame them as soon as they try to take advantage of this, which sadly is any minute now.
Edit: not any minute now. already happened.
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JRob
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Thu Jul-07-05 11:17 AM
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| 123. Give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm sure everyone is sympathetic to the |
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death and injury of the people of London, but let please not loose sight of the reason(s) that lead to this
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Oversea Visitor
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Thu Jul-07-05 11:18 AM
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shayes51
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Thu Jul-07-05 11:21 AM
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| 130. If this had happened in Baghdad, it would hardly be news at all. |
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Killing innocent people is a tragedy wherever it happens.
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confludemocrat
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Thu Jul-07-05 11:38 AM
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| 138. The ragging on Bush should be stepped up. Iraq, now here's the blowback |
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A goddamn lie, 100,000 dead Iraqis no freedom, no justice, total chaos, resolve to not leave for at least 12 years even though our presence is the cause of the horrors there. This is their war with the weapons they have. It's got to stop. And no, this not should be a set aside for "good taste". What we have caused is in much worse taste.
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CoolOnion
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Thu Jul-07-05 12:52 PM
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| 180. I was looking for information on donating blood |
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I can't remember who asked about giving blood, but I found this article in The Daily Mail: Blood supplies 'can meet demand' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/t... Excerpt: "The National Blood Service says it was "business as usual" despite the increased numbers of patients attending hospitals around the capital. "A spokeswoman said blood stocks were currently healthy and that the service could meet demand for blood products from hospitals if requested." Anyone in the U.K. in checking the status of blood donation needs should check the website www.blood.co.uk . I'm sure those of us in the U.S. will be offered other opportunities to help out in the next few days.
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truth2power
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Thu Jul-07-05 01:18 PM
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| 198. No, the "ragging on Bush" should NOT be held back. |
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Bush, Blair and those who support them have made this world a much more dangerous place, and there is no better time to point this out than now.
This in no way minimizes the pain that Londoners are experiencing, but the culpability for the violence in the world today should be placed where it belongs, on those who war for the almighty dollar.
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earth mom
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Thu Jul-07-05 02:06 PM
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| 221. Let's get REAL here. |  |
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The poster you are referring to was right on with his comment and in no way was sanctioning what happened or belittling this tragedy. Calling a spade a spade is what needs to be done right now. Otherwise we are looking at another 911 cover-up and allowing this crap to continue by tip toeing around it.
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yellowcanine
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Thu Jul-07-05 02:22 PM
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| 223. Really? As arrogant as attacking a country based on a lie and then |
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changing French Fries to "Freedom" Fries when the French dared to oppose us?
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DUBYASCREWEDUS
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:20 AM
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Don't you all feel safer 'cause Tony and Georgie are still in power keeping us all safer from "Terra"? How many times last year did we hear how much safer the world was 'cause Moron was at the helm? Well, now we have a real big playground (Iraq) for the terrorists to train and play in. And does anyone remember all of that ammo that disappeared from Iraq? You know, that little item that was mentioned a couple of days before the November election and just swooshed under a carpet by the media. My heartfelt sympathies go out to all of the innocent victims of this madness. One could only wonder what the world would be like if President Gore or President Kerry would have been the leader the free world. My guess would be that Osama bin Laden would now be a footnote in history. So one more time for any Moron supporter who might be reading this: "DO YOU FEEL SAFER BECAUSE MORON IS STILL PRESIDENT?"
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trekbiker
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:40 AM
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| 86. I'm with you.... Fuck Al Qaieda.... mad dogs.. |
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and FUCK BUSH and his Neocon pack of incompetent bastards. He and his master Rove/Cheney will be the VERY FIRST to politicize this just like they have been doing since 9/11. We innocents are caught in the crossfire between a pack of mad dog religious, power mad whackos on both sides that CANNOT BE REASONED with...
the real tragedy here is that we will be repeating these threads over and over and over with every new attack for years to come because this is not going to end. We can thank the bastards that are in charge on both sides of this "war on TERRA" for this disaster.... and now Bush has created the worlds largest Terrorist recruitment and training ground in Iraq..
the free world is truly screwed..
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At least I was smart enough to read it here first instead of turning on the TV and seeing it on CNN or Fox or MSNBC.
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| 27. Sorry London. I wish you the best. |
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:21 AM
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| 57. B*sh already capitalizing on these attacks to support his war(s)... |
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<snip> 1333 US President George W Bush, speaking at the Gleneagles summit in Scotland, condemns the attacks, saying that the blasts show the war on terror must continue.
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emad
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Thu Jul-07-05 10:45 AM
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| 91. When Poodle was doing the "shocked & grieving" speech Dumbass |
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stood behind him, nodding sagely and smirking in his best Ridge-esque "told you so" face.
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