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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 02:19 PM
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Stephenson: "Asians Are Killing LPGA"
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THIS IS PROBABLY going to get me in trouble, but the Asians are killing our tour, Stephenson says in the November issue of Golf Magazine. Their lack of emotion, their refusal to speak English when they can speak English. They rarely speak.

Four of the top six money leaders on the LPGA Tour are Asian -Se Ri Pak, Grace Park, Hee-Won Han and Candie Kung.

We have two-day pro-ams where people are paying a lot of money to play with us, and they (Asians) say hello and goodbye, Stephenson says in the Golf Magazine interview. Our tour is predominantly international, and the majority are Asian. Theyve taken it over.

The LPGA Tours original glamour girl, Stephenson, 51, also believes the Tour should actively sell sex.

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http://www.msnbc.com/news/978712.asp?0cv=CB20

:grr:

DTH
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 02:24 PM
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1. Is this Jan Stephenson, the Aussie golfer pin-up girl from the '80's?
:puke:

What a disgusting, immoral thing to say.
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omshanti Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 02:26 PM
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2. Well then maybe the non-Asians better step it up some.
eom
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morebunk Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 10:28 PM
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47. We can't stand anyone who can beat us fairly at our own game...
in politics, exonomics, or sports.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 02:28 PM
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3. Damn that Annika Sorenstam!
She's the worst kind of Asian of all, isn't she, Jan? One of them Swedish Asians! Sneaky unemotional ciphers all!
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Metatron Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 02:32 PM
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8. ROFL! n/t
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 02:30 PM
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4. Jan we (apparently) hardly knew ye...
Edited on Fri Oct-10-03 02:33 PM by Richardo


In addition to the racism, there's this:

We have to promote sex appeal. Its a fact of life, Stephenson told Golf Magazine. The people who watch are predominantly male, and they wont keep watching if the girls arent beautiful. Thats not just the LPGA Tour, either. In Australia, the highest-rated television event is the womens surf championship. Why is that?

What a disappointment. Fits right in with fellow Aussie Rupert Murdoch's worldview, however: T&A everywhere, all the time.

Can we speak to Billie Jean King now, please?
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 02:40 PM
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13. All women, sans bigoted loudmouths, are beautiful.
Shut the fuck up, Jan.
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beanball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 09:48 PM
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46. Yo Jan take you biased buns home(go down or is that go down under?)
old hags never know when to quit.
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benfranklin1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 02:46 PM
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14. How pathetically shallow.
Edited on Fri Oct-10-03 02:47 PM by benfranklin1776
The people who watch are
predominantly male, and they wont keep watching if the girls arent beautiful. "

This epidemic of empty headed Greco Roman style glorifcation of the beauty of the body over all else is
truly disgusting but nevertheless ubiquitous. This attitude was as bad as the clueless twits interviewed by the Wash Post who stated that they didn't care about being groped by der Schweinfuhrer. They stated that they would have loved to be groped by old AHNALD DA PIG and only hoped they could look as good as Maria so that they could get a husband that looked like him.
Television and Madison Avenue have exalted this worship of the body to this level of absurdity and contributed mightily to this epidemic of vapidity. This has of course poisoned the electoral well. Candidates on the national stage must be "telegenic" or they will not be taken seriously. A sad commentary. Is there in truth no beauty? Not to the infotainment biz.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 02:49 PM
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15. but men watch MEN play golf all the time...
why is that, if sex appeal is the only thing keeping them on the channel :shrug:
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benfranklin1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 02:52 PM
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16. Good point.
Don't confuse Jan with logic though. Its too taxing I am afraid.
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demdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 04:08 PM
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34. It is the level of play, same as many sports..baseball, basketball....
The level of play is not there in women's sports that have a male counterpart. That is why there are not big crowd watching women's basketball. It might not be P.C., but she has some truth in her statements about sex appeal. As for the Asians, I agree with the personality aspect as far as it is involved in the televised side of the equation. Personality goes a long way. To simply watch people walk, hit, walk, hit.....would be monotonous. Plenty of male golfers garnered way more attention than their play would dictate because of their rather flamboyant personalities. The prize money only looks at the scorecard but the viewing audience wants to be entertained.
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 02:57 PM
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18. so is she wrong?
no flames, please... i'm not a sports fan at all, so i don't know. i'm just curious as to whether she might only be telling an unpleasant truth. is it true that the audience of the LPGA events is mainly male, and that they "go" for the beautiful girls? we all know that sex sells in the entertainment industry, in music and film. and IMHO pro sports are basically a form of entertainment.
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 03:18 PM
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25. Give Her Time, She'll Complain That The Lesbian Golfers Are Taking Over To
o. heh..

I think it's wishful thinking on her part that men are the main audience of the LPGA. She must be thinking of the miss america contests. The main audience of the LPGA is clearly female and we like to watch good competition regardless of the competitors' race.

She needs to go have a pill with Boil Ass and get over it.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 04:00 PM
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31. I know a lot of men who watch golf.

And not ONE of them watches the LPGA.

No, seriously. I really do know quite a few men who enjoy watching golf. Weird.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 04:33 PM
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39. Are they the ones that watch
ping pong matches or any other sport activity when major sports isn't on the air for viewing?
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demdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 04:23 PM
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37. To some degree she is correct, in the entertainment aspect.
I fleshed out my opinion of how she has some truth in my reply above.
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 04:32 PM
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38. what a dipshit
If athletic ability counts for zero, as this dipshit seems to think, why not just have a bunch of bimbos floating around golfing naked? That should increase the popularity (I almost said 'visibility') of the sport.

And of course, she buys into the concept of white=beauty. Asian women can certainly be as attractive as anyone else, but according to this racist, apparently not.

Maybe she should learn something about other cultures before she attacks their deportment. Not every culture in the world is loud and demonstrative.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 02:31 PM
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5. Dear Asians: Please kill professional golf
You'll be doing humankind a favor.

As for the racist white lady who, weirdly, wants to sex up golf for male viewers, I'm reminded of the Maryland governor's wife who blurted out this week that she wants to shoot Britney Spears. Bad week for over-50 right wing women, eh? Something in the zeitgeist?
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RaulGroom Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 03:04 PM
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19. Voltaire99, I nominate you for poster of the day
I actually watch golf occasionally, but the raw comic value of this quote is hard to overstate:

"Dear Asians: Please kill professional golf"

Very funny stuff.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 04:54 PM
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41. Hear! Hear!! Funny
Don't males waste enough time and energy on sports already?
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Neutrino Donating Member (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 02:31 PM
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6. "Asians" are dedicated achievers. Professional sports

-- costly in economic and personal terms. Whether one chooses to
socialize, or not, shouldn't even be in the equation. Has Stephenson
thought to learn Asian language? (If I can read and write Mandarin,
anyone can.) It isn't hard, and Asian competitors would respond
positively to the effort.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 02:31 PM
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7. and here I thought it was just the men making
really stupid and disgusting comments. what in the world does she think she is doing?
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ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 02:34 PM
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9. 2003 or 1953. You decide.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 02:37 PM
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12. But I can't decide, Tom!
Faux hasn't reported yet, so how can I decide?? Golly, first Rush, now this! Someone tell me what to think!!
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 02:35 PM
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10. Ugh. Nasty. Just beat them, Jan
Another nasty quote. In Bush's America, this mean-spiritedness seems to be percolating to the top. Easy solution, if you don't like Asian golfers, black quarterbacks, etc. - Win on the field of play. Criticize athletes for their performances, not their race, religion or any other irrelevant factor. Anybody know her political persuasion? Let me guess. . .
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atlien Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 03:29 PM
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26. Beating them...well, that's the problem.
This is the female Dennis Rodman. Lacking actual ability, searching for publicity via controversy.
Next topic.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 02:37 PM
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11. Maybe Jan can get a job with ESPN. (n/t)
Dems
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 02:54 PM
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17. Hey, bigot! You forgot Michelle Wie!
Oh, right, she's from Hawai'i, and is presently enrolled at the prestigious Punahou School, where a "refusal to speak English" is pretty much unheard of.

And, despite being in ninth grade, she could kick your overhyped, has-been butt around any golf course you choose!
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benfranklin1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 03:07 PM
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21. So True!
Jan obviously has gone to the Rush Limbaugh school of racial scapegoating. No doubt they use the same drycleaners for their white sheets.
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neomonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 03:05 PM
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20. Golf, yech
Everytime I find myself questioning the rationale or sanity of my terrible hatred of golf, another wonderful representative of that so-called sport comes out and illustrates the disgusting elitism inherent in that fool's game and I once again find myself hating it with very little or no guilt.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 03:07 PM
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22. Don't forget Tiger
Isn't his mother Asian? Is he ruining the PGA?

You know that saying about better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt? I think this woman needs to take tht to heart.
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neomonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 03:12 PM
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24. Problem is
this game takes ostensible representatives of people not historically representated in the annals of golf and turns them into brain-dead snobs anyways.
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Best_man23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 09:36 PM
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45. Some RWers would say he is ruining the PGA
By playing and not caddying clubs for some rich white person.
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ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 03:09 PM
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23. This also reminds me of Mark McGwire's asinine comments re: Japan.
The sad thing was that he was so loved throughout Japan they tried to make excuses for his behavior. Japanese baseball fans didn't want to believe it was true.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 03:32 PM
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27. She's wrong BUT, there is a point
Women's sports do not sell particularly well. They have their ups and downs but they are ALWAYS struggling to keep up. There is a very good reason for that.

By and large people will not pay to watch second rate competitions. I know a lot of you just labeled me a hopeless sexist but hear me out. It isn't the womens fault that this is true, nor is it their fault that it's second rate. Furthermore, that sad fact is not particular to womens sports. For example not many people watch Triple A baseball, nor the second level golf tour for men (used to be called the Ben Hogan tour). The MLS struggles because soccer fans are aware that it's not at the level of the European leagues, though being the only game in town it hangs on.

Ok, back to what Stephenson said. I disagree with her tone a great deal and so on but I DO think she recognizes that difficulty in competing with men's top level sports. If the PGA is to do well it has to provide something that men's sports does not. In her mind it appears that that is sex appeal. Perhaps not blatantly so, she argues that in some ways the Asian players are simply not accessible enough, not personable. She appears to think that this hurts the WPGA. She's right, provided what she says about the Asian players is true and it appears to be, at least to me. The womens tour has always sold it's players, the personalities, the people behind the game. And yes, sex. If those things are decreased by the cultural differences the Asians bring with them it does hurt the sport. In it's pocketbook anyway.
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RaulGroom Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 03:41 PM
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29. Hate to be rude
But I doubt you are a real serious student of the LPGA's marketing efforts, since you don't know what it's called.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 03:55 PM
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30. So don't be
I forgot and confused it. The point remains the same. Don't be flippant ok?
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RaulGroom Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 04:03 PM
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32. The point loses a bit of its power, don't you think?
And "flippant" is what I do best. ;)
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 03:39 PM
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28. Oh!
Asians are good at golf? Oh, the horror, the horror!
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 04:03 PM
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33. They may be good at golf
But they can't keep their carts on the path! It's ruining the game!
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 04:18 PM
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35. Whatever Rush has must be contagious!
Is she addicted to painkillers, too?


rocknation
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 04:19 PM
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36. I can't stand this ignorant bitch
Being someone who doesn't follow golf at all, my first exposure to Stephenson was a really good HBO Sports documentary about gender and sexuality in sports. I was really incensed by the way she seemed to encourage people to focus on her looks rather than on her talent (like I said, I don't follow golf, but it seemed like she actually had some, unlike Anna Kournikova). I got the impression that she was exactly the kind of ignorant bimbo that brings the women's movement a step back.

I am really not surprised that she made these kind of comments, but it's just shocking that someone, particularly a public figure, would be that blunt in this day and age. On one hand, it's kind of refreshing, cause you know there's probably tons of people that secretly think the same thing but are just too chicken shit to say it out loud. OTOH, it just makes you shake your head at how fucking ignorant someone has to be to think that.

As people of color make more in-roads into traditionally white-dominated sports, expect more horseshit like this to come out.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 12:05 AM
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49. Still living her "Pin-up Girl" fantasy, isn't she?
Goodness, that was over 20 years ago, and while she was an adaquate golfer (as I recall) AND prime "kitten-killing material", that WAS over 20 years ago.

I didn't know she was still playing.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 04:52 PM
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40. mediocrity leads to death
sucks to be a mediocre golfer, eh Jan? Maybe you should quit golfing and go sell golf shoes at Sports Chalet... something you could handle.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 05:09 PM
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42. blech
on multiple levels. Some folks just can't resist making themselves look horrible.
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E_Zapata Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 07:03 PM
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43. Maybe those 'asian' golfers could take up figure skating?
Cause it seems the 'asian' ladies have made it a no. 1 sport.

Or, I guess, the asian golfers could just wear sequins to compete.

good gawd.
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 11:34 PM
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48. I Want To See Some Asian Asskickers
Who will kick the ass of this racist moron Stephenson.

:grr:

DTH
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 07:30 PM
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44. Looks like it's time for the LPGA to learn "Asian".
We will all have to learn to speak Mandarin and other Asian languages soon, as the U.S. is in decline now. Losing in golf is a particularly good measure of decline (sarcasm).
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 12:50 AM
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50. Good on you Jan !!!!
for having the guts to come out and say exactly what NOBODY was thinking.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 03:56 AM
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51. This person has the right to say this AND the world has the right
to ignore and shun the bitch now if we want to.
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 07:40 AM
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52. So they won't talk, eh?
How much better would this Sad Planet be if more people would just shut the fuck up!

:freak:
dbt
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