Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

US not losing in Iraq, Rumsfeld insists

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 11:57 AM
Original message
US not losing in Iraq, Rumsfeld insists
Edited on Thu Jun-23-05 12:03 PM by maddezmom
15 minutes ago



WASHINGTON (AFP) - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld assured lawmakers in Congress that US troops are defeating the stubborn insurgency in Iraq, and rejected calls that the Pentagon scale back the military presence there.

"Any who say that we've lost this war, or that we're losing this war, are wrong. We are not," said Rumsfeld, who appeard with his top military commanders at a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Rumsfeld noted that some in Congress have suggested that deadlines be set for a US withdrawal, but he rejected that idea as counterproductive to US military objectives, and said it would only embolden the United States' enemies.

"It would throw a lifeline to terrorists, who in recent months have suffered significant losses and casualties, been denied havens and suffered weakened popular support," he said.

~snip~
more:http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050623/p...

A Few More Headlines:
Baghdad car bombings kill 17, Rumsfeld insists US winning war
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050623/t...

Rumsfeld rejects notion Iraq war is a 'quagmire'
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050623/pl...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 12:00 PM
Response to Original message
1. The eternal juveniles of the Bush administration throw another tantrum.
:eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #1
26. What more do you expect from a Thug and a WAR CRIMINAL?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 12:01 PM
Response to Original message
2. They've been trotting out lots of generals too
to say "we're winning, last throes, hard work, Iraqis voted (that means we won), etc. etc. blah, blah...."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 12:02 PM
Response to Original message
3. This is one dumb Mo Fo (to borrow a phrase from Rick Perry). He just
will not get a clue, will he. Or even worse, maybe he knows but just refuses to tell the truth. In which case he's a traitor to the American people and the country. Because you can't be true to both a lying sack of shit criminal administration and the people of US (or the Constitution which sets out the rights and duties of us all).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 12:04 PM
Response to Original message
4. Guess it depends on your definition of "winning."
Halliburton is literally making a killing off bu$hler's war.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 12:05 PM
Response to Original message
5. ya right, Rummy!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 12:06 PM
Response to Original message
6. When is he taking his blinders off!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Raknrun Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 12:12 PM
Response to Original message
7. Nothing fishy...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. Interesting link
You should listen to what this soldier has to say:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #7
15. AEI alternative reality
"The Iraqi security forces, for example, are vastly more competent, and in some cases quite inspiring."

Yeah, well, according to Washington Post journalists who spent some time recently with an Iraqi army unit, they hate the Americans and sing songs to Saddam's praise, while they admire the insurgency and mostly plan to join it...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 12:14 PM
Response to Original message
8. Hey Rummy remember McNamara? He used to say
Edited on Thu Jun-23-05 12:15 PM by nadinbrzezinski
that we were winning in Viet Nam as well...

Or... Lord Acton? I Know the reference is really obscure to you MoFo... he said the same things to Parlaiment in the 1920s

Now McNamara lived long enough to ahem admit, you know what I think Ellsberg was right... Lord Acton did not... but let me seee how did Nam end? Did yuo miss the choppers over the US Embassy at Saigon? How did the British Misadventure end in Iraa? Took a little longer, unless you add the fight against the French in Viet Nam as well... but in the end the brits also left... they got tired of the explosive laced candies you know. (That was in 1955... I am sure the grandparents of some of the Guards in Iraq remember that deployment well... the Regiments have had families serving consistently over the centuries)

So I hope you have the years to realize, assuming you will be able to, I doubt it... we made a mistake.

Oh and it is our kids paying for it... when are your kids joining the line infantry to fight tnis war?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 12:17 PM
Response to Original message
10. What does Rummy consider to be a lost or losing War?
Just wondering...what a scary thought..... :scared:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 12:23 PM
Response to Original message
11. It's not a quagmire, it's a temporary casualty overrun and misalignment.
Nothing to worry about.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 12:23 PM
Response to Original message
12. How many legs does a dog have if you call his tail a leg?
Four; calling his tail a leg doesn't make it one. And stubbornly repeating over and over that we're not losing doesn't make it so, either.

But if this is what victory looks like to Rumfilled, I'd hate to see what he calls defeat. And Rumfilled, as much as anyone, should understand that a dedicated bunch of ruffians, thugs, murderers and monkey-wrenchers don't need popular support to be successful.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 12:29 PM
Response to Original message
13. Why can't we simply outsource this war to India like we do everything else
..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 12:30 PM
Response to Original message
14. "I Can Handle Things! I'm Smart!"
"It ain't the way I wanted it! I can handle things! I'm smart! Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect!"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 12:47 PM
Response to Original message
16. and the earth is flat too n/t
:eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 12:48 PM
Response to Original message
17. Rummy uses his mouth (&hands)
to fight Bushco's War. Doesn't work, Rummy. It takes more than tranparent propaganda to do any job. Bush is a failure because of the same propaganda tactics.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 12:50 PM
Response to Original message
18. In guerrilla warfare a 'mexican standoff' is as good as a win
Just like in Vietnam, they know we can't stay there forever. We might as well pull back to Kuwait/Qatar, let the civil war play itself out, and support the side we want to win (Shia/Kurd coalition) and let them kill off the foreign jihadists.

Take the target off our guy's backs for a couple of years and get outta the quagmire for awhile.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 12:58 PM
Response to Original message
19. This is the same guy that said our troops would be ...
greeted as liberators and showered with flowers from the Iraqi people. He is as nutty as a fruitcake. He should never have been given the job he now holds and he should have been fired long ago.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 01:00 PM
Response to Original message
20. He's right. I mean, look at the daily car bomb attacks in Houston.
Oh wait....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
plasticsundance Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 01:04 PM
Response to Original message
21. Everyone in the Bush Administartion talk out their asses
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ecoalex Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 01:14 PM
Response to Original message
22. All Righty Then !!
Edited on Thu Jun-23-05 01:15 PM by ecoalex
You'll have to tell the truth in court in your ACLU trial Rummy.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
darkism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 01:15 PM
Response to Original message
23. Rumsfeld "full of shit," public insists. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
radar Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 01:30 PM
Response to Original message
24. And we should believe this guy...
Hehe - riiiiiiight....

WMD's located in Iraq

We know where they are. Theyre in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north 3/30/03

I know for a fact that no one in the Administration lied about weapons of mass destruction. 6/21/05


Think Progress - pants on fire
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/06/23/donald-rumsfeld-pan...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grumpy old fart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 01:34 PM
Response to Original message
25. He's right. So, let's declare Victory and leave.
Edited on Thu Jun-23-05 01:36 PM by grumpy old fart
Otherwise, we are gonna have to wait another 5 years and 40,000 killed and wounded until they are forced to do just that....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 01:56 PM
Response to Original message
27. My only comment to 'rummy' is
:rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:08 PM
Response to Original message
28. What war? It is an invasion, and the US is getting its just desserts
What would the US do if Iraq had invaded American shores? The same damn deal.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:12 PM
Response to Original message
29. Does anyone still believe a word this mendacious creep says?
I mean really now.

"A handful of dead-enders"...anyone remember that?

Conflict will last 'six days, six weeks, no longer than six months'

I guess the only thing it takes in this administration to get fired is to do a reasonably good job and be honest. Then you are history.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. nope
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:13 PM
Response to Original message
30. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:56 PM
Response to Original message
32. U.S. Not Losing War, Rumsfeld Insists
http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/06/23/rumsf...

I like the bit at the end from Lindsey Graham, "People are beginning to question... we have a chronic problem on our hands."

Oh, yes. Always a problem for these types when people think or ask questions.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #32
33. Oh I know. Just like we won Vietnam
Oh wait...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #32
34. Well since Rummy always lies that must mean we are losing it
Great job there you seasoned adult experts.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #32
35. It's not that we're losing the war....we're just not winning it, see?
:eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #32
36. The Humvees keep getting bogged down by all the flowers...
...thrown by Iraqis.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #32
37. "chronic problem" = habitual liars and criminals
now usurping the highes offices of the land.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #32
38. Everyone is losing in this war, except Halliburton and the Bush cartels. n
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #32
39. and Nixon was not a crook
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #32
40. Good. Then there's no need for more troops (i.e Draft).
n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #32
41. Lindsey Graham is a total phony who let it slip that the real America
...is the Confederacy which unfortunately lost the war between the states, but as I have suspected, Graham believes the Confederacy will be restored. He and his kind can go and build the Confederacy on another planet, it has no place on earth.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
marbuc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #41
49. What?
Substantiate these comments please?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #49
52. Hi and welcome to DU
There are some hyperbolic posts here from time to time. I think he refers to portions of the RW's base that consists of folks who would like to roll back the Civil Rights Act of 1964, stop affirmative action and such.

Glad to see you and look forward to your posts.

:hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #32
42. Dear Donald,
You may not have SERVED during Vietnam, but unless you were living under a rock back then, Iraq is FAR, FAR WORSE than Nam.

The insurgency of Vietnam cannot hold a candle to the insurgency of Iraq.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #32
43. "... U.S. Always Knows Where To Find Any War, Rumsfeld Knows"
:shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #32
44. Now, go to the article (I read it on Yahoo News)
Take a close look at RumsFailed. Look at both sides of his face (I know, it's tough).

What you see is a defeated man. Is that a look of triumph? A man who has carried his country through tough times, and on to victory?

I think not. It shows in his face. Regardless of whatever he may say to the committee, his look told me everything I needed to know. He doesn't need to lie, because it's all there.

He doesn't need to do a "Pep Talk". Nor does Bush, which he is going to do anyway.

Everything about the insurgency is to be found in this man's face.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #32
45. no, we just can't seem to win it n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #32
46. Ahhh where that lying gone
Now you worry we think war is lose
Nah we know we win war aginst you lol
You lose
Iraq war not our problem its you problem
all we want is asnwer to this
Bush lie
Soldiers die
No soldiers should die for a lie

republican party dont solve
I think you lose all seat
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #32
47. No, Trelane.
"I was winning! You saw!"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CorwinB Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #32
48. Where do you end...
...After "turning the corner" four times ?

Just asking.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:59 PM
Response to Original message
50. And cheney said this..
on russert's gag fest, March 16, 2003..

"Host Tim Russert asked whether "we would have to have several hundred thousand troops there" in Iraq "for several years in order to maintain stability." Cheney replied: "I disagree." He wouldn't say how many troops were needed, but he added that "to suggest that we need several hundred thousand troops there after military operations cease, after the conflict ends, I don't think is accurate. I think that's an overstatement."

Russert asked: "If your analysis is not correct, and we're not treated as liberators but as conquerors, and the Iraqis begin to resist, particularly in Baghdad, do you think the American people are prepared for a long, costly, and bloody battle with significant American casualties?"

Cheney would have none of it. "Well, I don't think it's likely to unfold that way, Tim, because I really do believe that we will be greeted as liberators. I've talked with a lot of Iraqis in the last several months myself, had them to the White House. . . . The read we get on the people of Iraq is there is no question but what they want get rid of Saddam Hussein and they will welcome as liberators the United States when we come to do that."

Russert: "And you are convinced the Kurds, the Sunnis, the Shiites will come together in a democracy?"

Cheney: "They have so far." And the vice president concluded: "I think the prospects of being able to achieve this kind of success, if you will, from a political standpoint, are probably better than they would be for virtually any other country and under similar circumstances in that part of the world."



more..
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

They all follow the same bullshit line so this is just more bullshit coming from "last throes" cheney and rummy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 04:20 PM
Response to Original message
51. That 2nd headline is so absurd...
I rated the story a 5. :evilgrin:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DFWJock Donating Member (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #51
53. This just in...
war/cakewalk won, dancing in the streets continues.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #53
55. Ja mon...
:bounce: :woohoo: :party: :nuke: :hide:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 04:45 PM
Response to Original message
54. Not loosing, but not safer


"US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has acknowledged that security in Iraq has not improved statistically since Saddam Hussein's fall in 2003."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4090626.stm


Sounds like a trapped rat if you ask me...

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Skypilot 18 Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 05:22 PM
Response to Original message
56. Ted Kennedy asked RUMJOB
Isn't it time for you to resign?

I think it is. I also think it's time for the whole bunch to be put on trial for treason and war crimes.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #56
57. CBS just aired that
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 05:40 PM
Response to Original message
58. Moon Made of Green Cheese, President's Science Panel Adds. eom
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Oct 24th 2014, 02:32 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC