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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:47 PM
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Drudge - Latest exit polls - "51% FOR SCHWARZENEGGER,"
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 08:49 PM by Frodo
EXIT POLLS SHOW LANDSLIDE: RECALL, SCHWARZENEGGER POISED FOR EASY WIN


LATEST EXIT POLLS SHOW 59% VOTE 'YES' FOR RECALL, TOP CAMPAIGN AND MEDIA SOURCES TELL DRUDGE REPORT, 51% FOR SCHWARZENEGGER, 30% FOR BUSTAMANTE, 13% MCCLINTOCK... DEVELOPING...

No link of course.

Embarrasing is true and it really is a high turnout election.

Opinion? The last minute blast was a mistake? It narrowed the news down to "Arnold or Gray" and too many people must have seen it as dirty pool. We needed to spread this out a little more.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:49 PM
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1. If I see one more drudge post
about an exit poll I'm gonna reach through cyber space and stangle the person who posted it!
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:50 PM
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2. Sorry.
I understand.
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smallprint Donating Member (778 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:51 PM
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Yeah, enough already with Drudge's crap

The whole point of it is to energize Arnold voters and depress Bustamante voters. Why do we need that?
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Pompitous_Of_Love Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:55 PM
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14. Just as long as the stangling is consensual...
n/t
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:05 PM
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19. Thank you!
Drudge is trying to influence the vote. People that post his crap are just helping him.

And, I didn't think there were going to be any exit polls because of the debacles in 00 and 02.
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Blitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:35 PM
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53. Actually
Drudge has been one of the most anti-Schwarzenegger members of the media over the past few months.
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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:08 PM
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I'll help you Trumad
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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:09 PM
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21. I'll help you Trumad
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:50 PM
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3. Why is this Drudge Crap being reported??????
Drudge has a terrible record for these things!
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 12:02 AM
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55. Apperently he was right this time.
I do remember his posting exit polls during the 2000 primaries. They were pretty accurate, and the VNS threatened to sue him.
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Kitsune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:50 PM
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4. There are no exit polls!
Drudge is pulling this out of his ass! (or, alternately, from the Ahhnuld campaign office. little difference, in any case)

This is all over the forum, yo..
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:52 PM
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9. Yes there are.
Both the LA Times and a "media conglomerate" are running exit polls.

Now, how accurate are they given this strange "election"? We can only hope.
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Kitsune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:52 PM
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12. But they haven't been released yet
And I'm fairly certain they won't be released until 8 PM PST.
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:00 PM
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16. "Released" can mean so many different things.
People in the media get updates over the course of the day (since they are the ones doing the polling). Remember in 2000 how we heard early in the say that several states were closer than expected and this could actually be a race? Remember how Rush was telling everyone "not to panic"?

Drudge supposedly gets some of this. The good news is that exit polling is a VERY inexact "science". It can tell you alot a month later about how Hispanic males age 18-35 decided to vote, but VERY LITTLE about what the total is today.
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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:08 PM
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20. the media looks like it's preparing for an arnold victory party
and that's bad news for us, while we can't see the numbers, we can see it in there faces.
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:15 PM
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22. That's kinda what I was talking about.
They know the exit polling long before we do. Anyone who has gone "curtain to curtain" watching election coverage can spot it in the reporters' demeanor.

We're hosed.
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Kitsune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:17 PM
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23. Ahhh
Well, if that's the case, I wouldn't know. I gave up on watching TV election coverage, and based on the blatant whoring I've been hearing rumor of I'm rather glad that I have.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #20
43. It's preconditioning for an Arnold "victory".
This is exactly what happened in 2000. It's like watching a rerun of a bad movie...

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kainah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:54 PM
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13. there are exit polls, kitsune
I have no idea whether Drudge has true information from them, but there certainly are exit polls being done. Buchanan & Press, a few hours ago, reported some of the results from OTHER questions in the exit polls, such as "do you approve of *?" The answer to that, BTW, was 50% yes & 47% no.

Of course, they didn't say anything about the exit polls for the governor's race, but reading from body language & attitude, I became pretty gloomy about the outcome.....
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Kitsune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:58 PM
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15. Then why is everyone saying they haven't been released yet?
Confuse me, why don't you? :crazy: Heh...

In any case, I'm not inclined to trust Drudge's reporting when he's the only one shouting this sort of thing from the treetops, y'know?
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HitmanLV Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:18 PM
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24. Drudge's Shouting
Drudge is one in the few in the media who jumps the gun on exit polls. Traditionally they don't call races on tv based on the polls until the polls close.

Drudge just runs with it.
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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #13
17. If those approval numbers about Bush are true
That means Repuke turnout was tremendous, because Bush's approval in Calif. is well under 50 percent. That's very bad news.
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donotpassgo Donating Member (867 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:51 PM
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5. Whatever...No sources for starters
No links, WHO'S TOP CAMPAIGN? It's wouldn't be...ARNOLD'S, would it? And where are these polls being done. The O.C. (crappy show and crappy place)?

Hey maybe the Kuwiaiti governmment took polls while counting the Chemical warheads they stopped from being smuggled out of Iraq and into "unnamed European Country"
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:51 PM
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6. Lies and the Lying Liars
Who cares what Drudge posts.

No Recall Yes Cruz No 53 No 54
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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:52 PM
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11. Do you want to see some results?
http://vote2003.ss.ca.gov/Returns/summary.html

Nothing has been reported.

Shall GRAY DAVIS be recalled (removed) from the office of Governor?
0.0 % ( 0 of 15213 ) precincts reporting as of Oct 6, 2003 at 11:24 am
Votes Percent

Yes 0 0.0
No 0 0.0


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_NorCal_D_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:51 PM
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7. Enough.
This is biased bull plop!
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 08:20 AM
Response to Reply #7
59. If by biased, you mean accurately predicting the results,
then you are correct.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:51 PM
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8. I never take anonymous sources seriously
I made that vow after the Lewinsky deal. Real men go on the record!!
I think Schwarzewhateverhisnameis will win, but by single digits.
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HitmanLV Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:29 PM
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29. This isn't anonymous...
Drudge is leaking the exit poll data, which is available to all the media.

It's no more anonymous than when the talking heads call it after 8pm PST. Drudge is a lowlife and runs it at 3pm, that's all.
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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:52 PM
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10. I have a feeling Arnold is ahead....but not by that much
My guess is it's 54-55% Yes on recall, 46% for Schwarzenegger, 34% for Bustamante, 16% McClintock 4% others
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:02 PM
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18. That would be pretty bad if you think about it.
"4% other" would lend unfortunate credibility to this process. If 130+ candidates share 4% of the vote it can hardly be spun as a circus. Let's hope it's more than that.
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Katie Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:22 PM
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26. Frodo why would u post this thread, with the polls still open?
seems very foolish- can only discourage people from voting.
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:29 PM
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30. Think about it.
Do I have any pull here that compares with sludge? No.

Will any DU members go out and vote for Ahnold (bandwagon effect?) because I posted something a couple million people already have read (and anyone watching the news can tell?).

For goodness sake I just sale Sheila Jackson Lee on MSNBC and she was talking about everything the Davis administration did IN THE PAST TENSE and making excuses for why people didn't like it.
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Katie Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:41 PM
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33. i have and it looks like u r doing drudge's work for him
Do I think posts like these might discourage people from voting? yes, I do- after all what's the use, especially if its going to be a "landslide" Its now 6:39 in california- long time before the polls close. Bet drudge loves people like u.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:35 PM
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52. Katie, Frodo's right on this one, he's not hurting anyone
There are maybe 16000 unique logins on DU.

Of those, perhaps 4000 visit on a given high-traffic day.

Let's say a quarter are registered voters in CA.

That's 1000 fanatical Democratic voters who are notified that Drudge says Ahnold is der gubernator an hour or so before the polls close. Damn right you'll be mad at him, especially if you live in CA, but he's not stopping anyone from voting.
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Katie Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #30
34. i have and it looks like u r doing drudge's work for him
Do I think posts like these might discourage people from voting? yes, I do- after all what's the use, especially if its going to be a "landslide" Its now 6:39 in california- long time before the polls close. Bet drudge loves people like u.
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Katie Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:41 PM
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35. i have and it looks like u r doing drudge's work for him
Do I think posts like these might discourage people from voting? yes, I do- after all what's the use, especially if its going to be a "landslide" Its now 6:39 in california- long time before the polls close. Bet drudge loves people like u.
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Katie Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:43 PM
Response to Reply #35
37. sorry about that- dont know it posted three times
hope 4th isnt the charm.
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #37
39. I thought you were just passionate about your views. :-)
That's a GOOD thing.
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:46 PM
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38. Give me a break.
There isn't a single person here who is going to vote differently because of this post. And frankly, the DU "penetration" is miniscule by comparison. But hey! Somebody make it a poll??

How many people changed there vote because of my post???

And at this point it's pretty much over and we don't want to admit it. You want to go to bed thinking we won't know until three weeks from now after all the absentee votes are challenged.

So don't read it.
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Katie Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #38
42. there already was a thread about this- so give me a break
like i said, drudge must love people like you. fool.
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:25 PM
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51. Fool? I am awed at your snappy comeback.
There are a dozen threads like this one. If you hadn't noticed, DU has a tough time dealing with the volume of people who want to comment on the topic. It requires extra threads. An excellent time to do that is when the story gets updated.
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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:19 PM
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25. update from sludge
SOURCES: NETWORKS TO CALL RACE AT 8:01 PM PACIFIC TIME, AS VOTING OFFICIALLY ENDS...


we'll see, it'll be 8pm out west in about 1hour, 40 minutes.
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HitmanLV Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. I was figuring the same thing as you were posting
...nice to see my instinct is good, at least.
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HitmanLV Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:24 PM
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27. Looks Bad For Davis & Co
This one won't be controversial at all. Expect all the talking heads on tv to call this one by about 8:03 PM PST.

It isn't even close. Time to pick a challenger for 2006.
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:32 PM
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31. Shannity interviewed Jessie Jackson
from CA..Jackson said there's voter disenfranchisement and not all the people were able to vote due to some districts being shut. Looks like there's going to be a hot time tonite, and tomorrow...Repeat of 2000..
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HitmanLV Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #31
36. If it were close, I agree...
...but with Recall winning 59-41, and Arnold at around 51%, this is a non-starter, and will only make dems look worse than they already look.

Take it on the chin. Come back again!
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Sagan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #36
40. why are you quoting those numbers??

they have no basis in reality.. only cited by Drudge...

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HitmanLV Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #40
44. Exit Polls Can't Be That Wrong...
Drudge is leaking polls that the folks in the media all have access to all day. He is the only lowlife to break the news early.

To say they have no basis in realtity isn't fair. They are perfectly real. I don't know if the final numbers will hold up, but spreads like 59-41 and 51-30, even if they don't hold up, mean a sure victory for the Recall proponents and for Arnold.
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Sagan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #44
48. what exit polls? what sources?

Cite the source, other than "Drudge" or "exit polls"...

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HitmanLV Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 01:21 AM
Response to Reply #48
57. Both the LA Times and the Networks...
...commissioned detailed exit polling.

Those results were shared with all the media outlets, and were consistent with each other.

Drudge got hold of those detailed exit poll results. He reported them, which is a sleazy thing to do.

Davis conceded, in case you weren't paying attention, by the way.

The exit polls are right. Now, lets get back to work. Denial isn't a river in Egypt.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #36
46. "They"? Are you not one of us???
Are you a Dem?
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HitmanLV Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 01:29 AM
Response to Reply #46
58. No, I am a registered Independent since age 18
...and I'm 35 now, and never cared to join either party.
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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #31
41. mcauliffe practically admitted defeat on hardball
he said that there are a lot of angry voters.....taking it out on davis......said they are going to take it out on Dubya in 2004.
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HitmanLV Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #41
45. they really need to lose Terry
...he is awful. Mismanaged the 2002 races by and large, and now this.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #41
47. Isn't he DLC...? Figures.
NT!

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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #47
49. if arnold has really been elected ...
1) If this woman-groping skank has really been elected, and the repugs are excited about it ... I don't ever want to hear one more word about Bill Clinton's penis. Ever. Not one word. In choosing Arnold, the GOP has forfeited the RIGHT to ever talk about Clinton's sexual exploits again.

2) OK. This is just too much. 2000 election stolen; bad mid-term elections for Dems; Cali leadership lost to a repug. OK, gang ... it's time to pull out all the stops. No more Mister Nice Guy. We must take back the White House in 2004 BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. Nothing's too low for the GOP in terms of campaign dirty tricks ... we must just be more clever in cutting them off at the knees. No time for licking our wounds (I'm sure that won't stop Arnold, though ... ha-ha!) ... we've gotta get in gear.

I can't do anything tonight out in the world, so I'm going to start with some creative voodoo curses. Anyone got a copy of Terminator 2 I can stick pins in?

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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:34 PM
Response to Reply #49
54. Tried and failed
I think your concept of any means necessary (I hope you only mean legal ones) was played out in California. Frankly, based on some East Coast reactions to the swarm of claims against Ahnold, the party went too far on the attack mode and lost credibility doing so.
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:33 PM
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32. Dupe
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 09:34 PM by PaDUer
for some reason the above posted again..
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:13 PM
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50. If that's true
Shit.

If Californians are so fucking stupid they'd vote for that groping moran, they deserve all the fiscal woes they've got coming. Stupid stupid stupid.
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oceanpoetry Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 12:28 AM
Response to Reply #50
56. Frodo, as a Californian I can assure you posting report for Sludge
Edited on Wed Oct-08-03 12:30 AM by oceanpoetry
didn't help Ah-nold ....there was record high voter turn out in the state, and believe me, sentiments were high. for those of us against the the recall and Ahnold, nothing would stop us from voting in this controversial election. I just hope the exit polls are wrong, really depressing to think of waking up tomorrow with Ahnold as governor...
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