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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:14 PM
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EXIT POLLS SHOW RECALL, SCHWARZENEGGER POISED FOR EASY WIN
Drudge Reporting

No link yet over there. Someone "leaked" to Drudge. :shrug:
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no one in particular Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:16 PM
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1. Wow...
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 06:17 PM by no one in particular
EARLY AFTERNOON EXIT POLLS SHOW 57% VOTE 'YES' FOR RECALL, CAMPAIGN SOURCES TELL DRUDGE REPORT, 47% FOR SCHWARZENEGGER, 34% FOR BUSTAMANTE, 12% MCCLINTOCK... DEVELOPING...


Drudge's caps, not mine.

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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:18 PM
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2. I'd love to know who his contact is.
Someone at the L.A. Times, maybe?
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Dagaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:43 PM
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42. It says Campaign Sources
So I'd venture a guess as to whose campaign it is here.
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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:20 PM
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5. So 59% of Californians are voting Repub?
WTF?
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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:23 PM
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13. well, 43% are against the recall
if we can somehow raise that number to 51% in the next few hours, we win......or maybe I'm just grasping at straws

I can't see 47% voting for arnold though.
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Trek234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:35 PM
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Wrong
59% of those who voted are voting repub.

Maybe the dems couldn't get out the vote? Very very bad if that is the case....
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:50 PM
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50. Yeah, but they said it was "high turnout"
On the positive side, there is no way that 59% of Californians "voted for a Republican".

Let's face it, The Republicans consider him a "RINO" who could win. It's obvious that we were unsucessfull in spinning him as some radical right-winger when most of California considers him just barely over that side of the fence. The people who wanted a "Republican" got slaughtered.

In short - This helps Bush, but hardly enough to make a dent.
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Callisto Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:04 PM
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69. No way
No effen way!
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Marlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:27 PM
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17. This is more than just depressing
I am overwhelmed with the feeling we are all lambs being led to
slaughter. I have felt this election will mirror the 2004 presidential election. If these people can't see through the media
spin and realize Bush's economy has helped crush California's
economy and punish Gray Davis, in an undemocratic recall, rather
than use common sense and vote no, I for one am ready to give up on
politics. I need a long timeout - I'm beginning to think we over
at DU, BuzzFlash, etc. are the minority in this country. We take
the time to read and learn, we take the time to write or call our
representatives, we care but we are too few to make a difference.
The right wing stronghold on our country is too powerful and I am
so depressed right now I could cry.
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:31 PM
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19. I feel your pain
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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:32 PM
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21. More than more than depressing
I need a long timeout - I'm beginning to think we over
at DU, BuzzFlash, etc. are the minority in this country


If you're just figuring this out I can see why you're so depressed. But fear not! There's strength in numbers, even if they're small numbers.

We shall overcome.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:34 PM
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24. marlie, you took the words
right out of my mouth. that is just what i'm feeling about this too. (some of us) people are screaming about this to the hills, but our democratic "leaders" here in california have been VEEEEERY silent. (putting my :tinfoilhat: on) maybe they're in on it too....

(taking my :tinfoilhat: off)
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yeti Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:01 PM
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62. tinfoil hat
"maybe they're in on it too...."


Ya think?

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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:34 PM
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25. don't give up...
at least not yet... early exit polls are sometimes very misleading. In my country in 1998, exit polls at 3:00pm showed the conservative candidate beating the socialdemocrat by 10%. He ended up winning by 2%, and in certain moments when results were coming in, he was ahead by less than 1%.

Early exit polls are not very reliable, and are used mostly by political parties to plan their turnout strategy for the last few hours.

And even if Schwarzenegger wins... yes, it will be tough. But you people are fighters, and you will be able to overcome this mess.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:41 PM
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39. I have to disagree.................
that this is in any way a prelude to 2004. Remember, in 2004 BUSH has the role of Grey Davis and the Democratic challenger will be the Knight in Shining Armor.
This recall result reinforces my belief that Kaleeeeeefornia is nothing but form, not a bit of substance. The people of Kaleeeeeefornia deserve everything they get with Ahhhhhnold. The state has now surpassed Florida as the laughing stock of the nation.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:43 PM
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41. quit saying "the people of california"!!!
we dems here at DU are not of their ilk and i HATE being lumped in with them!!! :grr:
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Blitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:52 PM
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52. YOu hate being lumped in with the people of California?
Or am I not reading your post correctly?
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #39
51. Why don't you say the
repuke voters of California get what they deserve and leave the rest of us Californians out of it, geesh. :argh:
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no one in particular Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:41 PM
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40. Wave "Hi!" to the Freeptards...
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L.A.dweller Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #40
71. Wow, freepers agreeing to the statement that only a minority in America
actually take the time to read the news and make reasonable conclusions says something in itself.
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pope piel Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:07 PM
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73. me2
You express my thoughts exactly. Thanks.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:19 PM
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81. so cry, see where it gets you
.
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dembabe Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:41 PM
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38. Please get out and vote NO!!!!
I'm still hopeful. I don't trust that $%#^&* (Drudge).






I miss Paul Wellstone.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:19 PM
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3. Are they trying to get people NOT TO GO
to the polls later in the day?

Just asking
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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:20 PM
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6. perhaps, but it might be a lost cause anyway
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 06:21 PM by jenk
if davis somehow pulls it out it will be a miracle.
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pope piel Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:11 PM
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77. Miracle
Cheer up, we'll just recall Swartzengropper.
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:19 PM
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4. much ado about bullshit
sounds like the spin is starting already...nevermind the 1 million-plus absentee ballots they have to count in the next week(s). No sexy exit polls there....I think they did this one outside the California Nazi HQ in Orange Co.
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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:21 PM
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8. LOL
Here's hoping you're right.
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treefrogjohn Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:22 PM
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10. Good point about locale of exit polls
Not in my precinct for sure. We were over 70% Davis last election. Simon was a non-issue here.
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Trek234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:37 PM
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30. Absentee are most vulnerable
If there is any repub fraud going on I bet you it will be in the absentee ballots.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:21 PM
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9. I thought they quit
doing or at least reporting exit polls after the Florida debacle. :shrug:
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donotpassgo Donating Member (867 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:22 PM
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11. The Networks aren't doing exit polls because...
There are over 2,000,000 absentee ballots floating around and they don't want to make the same mistake they made in the 2000 election.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:23 PM
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12. The right wing media is overthrowing the government of California
This is proof that the media decides who is elected, period!
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:24 PM
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14. Oh, they have exit polls now, do they?
They sure didn't during the debacle of 2002! Guess it took some time to tweak them to be (even) more Repuke-friendly... </sarcasm>
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:27 PM
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16. Don't believe them!
Peggy ("bitch") Noonan said that this is going to be an "Arnold Night"! May be she would liked to be groped by him???


:eyes:


Where's the proof that these polls are accurate!
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Pale_Rider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:27 PM
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15. The fix must be in ...
... the 'rovers' doing their job where it matters the most. Time to start preparing the recall petitions!
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Trek234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:39 PM
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33. Are you kidding?
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 06:59 PM by Trek234
If we lost this one, what makes you think we will win the next one? This is especially true if "the fix is in".

If anything it will hurt our chances in 04 BADLY. I can see the FOX news spins right now about how much dems are costing, how evil they are, trying to cheat democracy, etc. It will play right in to repub hands.

If anything after this we need to pull together and take back the congress and white house... Then we can focus on the states.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:47 PM
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46. I agree, that is my thinking too...
I think anyone that tries another recall is going to have the wrath of the voters to deal with and would only hurt us for 2004.
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Pale_Rider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:30 PM
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87. OK, we wait a year ...
... after Arnold starts screwing up, then we recall. Yeh, you might be right, that we couldn't win the next one. Also three years of Arnold stinking up the State may be enough to push some people over the edge (aka Jesse Ventura) and remove Arnold in the next term. Though it may mean ruin for California.

Say, if Arnold decides to not to pursue the lawsuit against the enegry companies, would that be grounds for recall?
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #87
96. If he settles that lawsuit 4
$.02 on the dollar - he should B forced to use his Austrian citizenship full time.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:30 PM
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18. I can;t believe this
it is extremely comical and additionally, sad, that California will go through with this cockamamie free for all. I can't believe this happened.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:35 PM
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29. poll
My sentiments exactly. If, indeed, Arnold wins there will be in the very near future some mighty unhappy voters. They will have bought a pig in a poke and then have to slop the pig. I simply can't believe the voters of California can be that stupid.
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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:32 PM
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20. we have to put this loss behind us
and come out swinging tomorrow with the CIA leak again, we can't get sidetracked for too long by Ahnuld.
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Cush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:33 PM
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23. and thats the plan
the media, at least the cable networks will run with this for as long as they can
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:35 PM
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26. NOT A LOSS YET
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 06:35 PM by lib71
sorry to yell, but nothing's been decided or will be "officially" decided for at least a week...I didn't file my absentee ballot for nothing.

edit: addded "be"
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Callisto Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:50 PM
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95. It ain't over yet!
It's not even 6 yet! People are just getting off work.Only the unemployed and retired have voted!!!! :bounce:
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:35 PM
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28. The media is previewing their strategy for 2004
They are going to try to destroy any Democrat and build up Bush.

We are going to be screwed in 2004 if we don't get some kind of influence in he media.

The entire U.S. media is right wing at this point, almost without exception.
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dicknbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:32 PM
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22. I THINK IF THNGS TURN OUT BADLY ...
IT WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH GETTING THE 18 - 35 VOTE OUT. IT IS NOT TO DIFFERENT FROM JESSE VENTURA. THE REASON HE GOT ELECTED WAS BECAUSE ALL THOSE FOLKS WHO DIDN'T CARE ABOUT POLITICS GOT UP AND REGITERED AND VOTED. IT WAS A NEW GROUP THAT NO ONE COULD PREDICT. AND SO I THINK WE ARE WITNESSING THE SECOND JESSE VENTURA WAVE WITH ARNOLD AT THE HELM. I ALOS PREDICT THAT THE OUTCOME WILL BE THE SAME IN THE END. ARNOLD WILL BE A FAILURE AS A POLITICIAN. OF COURSE THE REALITY IS THAT IF HE WINS THIS IS REALLY THE BEGINING OF THE WISLON THIRD TERM AS GOVERNOR. I HATE MARIA SHRIVER SCUM BAG TURN COAT!!
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #22
27. To Maria Schriver, add Oprah Winfrey and...
I'll add all of those "actors" that are supporting this!
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shamanstar Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #22
36. 5th largest economy in the world
led by someone who doesnt know anything about politics, MUCH LESS acting????? it would only happen in the Corporate States of America.
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dad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:56 PM
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56. -
I think we're going to see a lot more celebrities running for office soon. Mark my words!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #56
98. About cartoon characters?
I'll vote for Lyle (South Park)
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:38 PM
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31. Dammit, the polls are still open in CA for another 3 1/2 hours!!!
This is a kick in the teeth of the hundreds of volunteers working tooth and nail to fight this recall.

It ain't over 'til it's over -- and it ain't over yet!! In the meantime, if you're in CA, and you know any fence-sitters, give them a call, get them to vote NO. Take some action!

Let's save the all the deconstruction until 8:00 p.m. PDT...please.
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benfranklin1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #31
48. Exactly. Forget Drudge BS and focus on voting and working and getting
people to the polls. The volunteers efforts shall not be in vain.
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:38 PM
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32. Here's hoping...
...that Drudge is as full of shit as he's proven himself to be several times in the past. Is that too much to hope for?

I dunno... since he announced his candidacy I had thought that the Groper-nator was a done deal, but had gotten optimistic over the last couple days.

If this "walnut-stuffed condom" really does become Governor of CA I think I'm going to need a long break from politics. My grades are already slipping worse than ever this semester anyway...

Here's hoping for the best, Californians! (And even if the worst happens, at least be proud you aren't in Texas!) I'm an agnostic, but I'm still praying Davis is able to pull this one out. I'm also a pessimist, though, so I'm not really looking for any miracles.
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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:39 PM
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34. What EXIT POLLS?
I just voted and didn't see any exit polling
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DemNoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:40 PM
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35. This is profound and cannot be shrugged off
Something is going seriously haywire in America. If this can happen then what next? Anything is possible.

We are in for a long dark night. I for one am scared.
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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #35
45. I agree but
I also think it's a bit early to start freaking out. I posted this and I kind of regretted it right after I did because Drudge is frothing at the mouth to post any damning info he can get from one of any number of conservative news-writer connections that he has.

In short: It's NOT OVER YET!! Don't Despair Yet, Folks!!
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_NorCal_D_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:41 PM
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37. I DON'T
GIVE A RATS ASS WHAT THE EXIT POLLS SAY.

I haven't voted yet. Not one person in my family has voted yet.

Just wait, once people get off from work things will begin to look up.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:44 PM
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43. This makes little sense... heavy turnout favors dems. EOM
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:44 PM
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44. Drudge probably got his exit poll numbers from rethuglican run precincts
I am the eternal optimist but if they got their exit poll results from lets say, Pasadena and Orange Co., then of course the numbers are going to be high. You just can't trust rethuglican numbers. Let's hope.

BTW, my rethuglican father lives in Ca. (love ya anyway,dad) and while he was in favor of the recall, he wouldn't vote for ahnold. He was for McClintock. Don't hold it against me! My point being, one less rethug vote for Conan the Barbarian.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:47 PM
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47. Well one thing
People are just now getting off work. That may change the outcome.
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donotpassgo Donating Member (867 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:49 PM
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49. That's about as accurate as this Drudge Headline
Kuwait foils smuggling of chemicals, bio warheads from Iraq...
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Kitsune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:53 PM
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53. Californians aren't that stupid.
They aren't, right? :scared:
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E_Zapata Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:54 PM
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54. hey, hey, don't despair: a lot of LIBERALS have crappy jobs
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 06:55 PM by E_Zapata
and they don't get an hour off for lunch and they can't go in 2 hours late (though they can under federal law, but tell that to your supervisor......)

Let the working man hit the polls and then we can talk about who might win......

uh huh
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Il_Coniglietto Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #54
97. I was at an AFL-CIO rally Sunday
and the people there were really fired up. It was mentioned at one point, pointing out the diversity of the crowed, "You wouldn't see a crowd like this at a Republican rally."

And that's so true. I mean, we're freaking out over an exit poll from Drudge Report? We know that the polls have not closed, the turnout has been huge, and that the absentee votes are waiting to be counted (the unions have really been pushing voting that way). This is not over until it is over and at this point, things are faaaar from over.
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:55 PM
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55. Give me a fucking break................
But it's probably nothing more than results from one or two precincts in Orange County.


Got data, Drudge?
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:56 PM
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57. IN CALIFORNIA IT IS ONLY 4:56 PM
The last three hours of voting should favor us.
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Katie Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:01 PM
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63. Reminds me of Fox "calling" the election for bush- keep voters home
Its way too early- I hope this doesnt discourage people from voting. And think thats exactly what Drudge intended. Wish this thread hadnt been posted.
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Callisto Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:02 PM
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65. It's 5:02
Our local Ncal news is upbeat- they arn't calling this yet.
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:59 PM
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58. And one other thing... SINCE WHEN DOES "DRUDGE" DESERVE LBN STATUS?
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 07:00 PM by Melinda
Or such a show of reverence? He is a gossip monger folks!! The hair pulling and teeth gnashing he's wrought - oh my!! Good grief! :eyes:
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demdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:03 PM
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66. I didn't hear anyone question his credentials when Arnie was getting hung.
Funny.
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:11 PM
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76. Try reading all the posts next time, Dave.
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demdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:18 PM
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80. I did and I stand by my statement
While Arnold was being hung out to dry on the drudge NOBODY thought drudge was unreliable. I saw at least 6 linked posts. The "kill the messenger" mentality is nothing short of denial around here. If the "mooney press" were to predict night will follow day, any here would proudly declare how they will wait for a reliable source.


I see this election going poorly and I am mad as hell. I am sick and tired of the crybaby, fixed machine, cutesy name calling hatred that seems to be driving our party right out of the system and into the fringe. We are a viable party with good issues and respectable candidates, but all the public gets to see are the fools and the extremes. I am pissed at the face that has been put on the Dem party.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:30 PM
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86. Thank you for saying it, Melinda!! Drudgies can bite me.
That won't get me in trouble will it? :scared:
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:00 PM
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59. If you'd put "Drudge" in the subject line I wouldn't have wasted time.
Bummer.
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demdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:00 PM
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60. This is the results of not addressing the problems.
We need to talk about issues and not spend so much time throwing mud that we end up as the only ones soiled.

I have said it before, cutesy name calling...chimp, shrub, asscroft, gropinator, pukes....may make you feel good and get a titter out of people around here but it does not resonate with the general voting public. I think Bush got HUGE yardage out of "new tone" rhetoric. People are tired of the politics of personal destruction and I think this proves it. Everything was thrown at Arnold, EVERYTHING.


I fear that the blind hatred is edging out real dscussion about issues. I never heard Davis address 1 single issue about the economy and finances of California. Instead he chose to rally against Arnold. I pray this is not the path we chose for the 2004 elections. The impeach Bush movement went nowhere, and I think the "anyone but Bush" is also a defeatist attitude that will not fly with everday voters. If you want to enjoy a partisan websight, fine...but I would rather win an election or 2. I find it diffcult to believe that our pool of candidates is so shallow that "anyone but Bush" would seriously be concidered.


Of course you may now flame and go back to your dsbelief and rants while I sit back and worry about the emminent demise of our party.
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:33 PM
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88. demdave
Your last couple of posts on this thread have been excellent. I completely agree with your views here. I have expressed the same point many times in the past, but I fear too many on our side have allowed rage and hate to very nearly push them off the deep end.

Though I have gone through periods of optimism recently with the spate of good news we have seemingly had, I am deeply worried about 04'. The numerous "Bush is done" and "Bush is toast" threads on DU just scream that too many good Democrats sorely underestimated just how difficult it will be to defeat Bush in 04'. I remember Reagan in 83' and how so many thought he wouldn't be able to win the following year because of his low poll numbers - and we all surely remember the landslide that took place.

If the economy picks up and a majority of Americans begin to accept the situation in Iraq as "acceptable", we could be in for an utter disaster in 04'. The Democratic Party will be hard pressed just to hold even in House and Senate as it is. If Bush runs strong it could be an utter trainwreck which could take a generation to reverse.

Imajika
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Callisto Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:01 PM
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61. Exit polls suck
They just do. It's not right to have every news agency around calling this election "DONE" at 2 pm !
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:02 PM
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64. Deteriorating country
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 07:03 PM by higher class
Polls are a joke.
Drudge is a joke pawn.
The cabal will have their media cabal partners claim wins no matter what anyone knows.
News networks were not supposed to report exit poll results when exit polls were a part of the process, but now they can say anything.
A sex predator is being pushed by major media.
The machines are rigged and only a few people care.
The people of CA will pay twice for the Enron theft.

The only breath left is if enough people make it known how they feel in spite of the thieving machines, thieving judges, thieving citizens who could care less about the integrity of their vote.

Because it is just not logical in the American sense of good judgement that they will vote for a predator who makes vilent movies and who is going to reverse the lawsuit and allow right wing takeovers of the state.

Pay twice? Let's hope not.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:03 PM
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67. Transparent attempt at voter suppression by Drudge...
I can't believe Skinner would allow this post to stay.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:03 PM
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68. and there are 2 million absentee ballots out there
they could change the outcome either way
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:06 PM
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70. Hrmm...
Drudge is decidedly NOT a fan of Arnold's. Perhaps this is a little disinfo he's putting out to quell the Pro-arnold vote. If you read that he's winning comfortably, maybe they'll stay home.

s'possible. Who knows? This whole thing is such a circus I'll believe anything at this point.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:06 PM
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72. Drudge's numbers - 59% OF CA VOTES REPUKE!
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 07:10 PM by nu_duer
That's what's at the top of his page, re: this ahnold landslide scoop.

EARLY AFTERNOON EXIT POLLS SHOW 57% VOTE 'YES' FOR RECALL, CAMPAIGN SOURCES TELL DRUDGE REPORT, 47% FOR SCHWARZENEGGER, 34% FOR BUSTAMANTE, 12% MCCLINTOCK... DEVELOPING

47 goper and 12 mcclintock - 59% of CA for Repukes?!

CA?!

No effin way.

on eidt: sorry, that point was made early in this thread - somehow missed it. must be somewhat blinded by witnessing the attempted theft of a powerful political office - again.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:56 PM
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99. What machines did they vote on?
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:08 PM
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74. Exit polls can not be disclosed until the election is over!!!
This is frickin illeagle!!
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BadGimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:09 PM
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75. Druge ius a right wing shill
but one pattern I see that is troubling is folks voting Yes on the Recall and Yes on Bustamante.

Thats a vote for Arnold imho.

This is really sad that way the GOP has hijacked the media and now Calif
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:14 PM
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78. 8 million people voted Davis last year
and I honestly doubt that many people have switched.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:22 PM
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82. Actually it was much less than that
nt
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:15 PM
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79. Probably a lie to keep the late votes home.
It's probably really close.
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:23 PM
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83. Lies and Lying Liars
It ain't over till it is over.

No recall Yes Cruz No 53 No 54
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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:23 PM
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84. he's already advertising "GOVERNOR ARNOLD" t-shirts!!!!!
lol, it would be a nice "Dewey defeats Truman" moment if Arnold somehow loses

ugh, this is a tough pill to swallow, but it's over.
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pope piel Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:48 PM
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94. Pay Back
Wonder how Arnold will like a Lt. Gevernor who is ready whenever he leaves the state to exercise his office?

Hehehehehehe.... Ought to be fun to watch!
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:29 PM
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85. A DU Poster posted this same information hours ago
apparently I can't post that person's name, because my message was deleted before. But I sincerely can't understand why that unnamed poster is allowed to post such BS, and then MY message gets deleted for simply pointing out the similarity between his source and that of Drudge himself.
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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:37 PM
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89. DRUDGE UPDATE EXIT POLLS SHOW LANDSLIDE
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 07:39 PM by jenk
ugh :(

EXIT POLLS SHOW LANDSLIDE: RECALL, SCHWARZENEGGER POISED FOR EASY WIN

LATEST EXIT POLLS SHOW 59% VOTE 'YES' FOR RECALL, TOP CAMPAIGN AND MEDIA SOURCES TELL DRUDGE REPORT, 51% FOR SCHWARZENEGGER, 30% FOR BUSTAMANTE, 13% MCCLINTOCK... DEVELOPING...


64% for the repugs in Cali???
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Cush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:39 PM
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91. if true
A lot of Dems just sold out
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:38 PM
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90. Just another
Stolen election? Practice makes perfect?
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:46 PM
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92. Would people quit quoting him? The next time he's right will be the first
Even if he turns out to be right here, he's probably just guessing. He predicted everything wrong in 2002, every lead this man gets turns out to be bogus. I swear he must make up his stories, because they are never right.

I'm not saying he's wrong here, only that if he is right, it's purely coincidental. Read the moron for entertainment value, but don't expect to get anything out of it.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:47 PM
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93. Fuck Drudge and fuck DU..I wonder how many California DU'ers read half
the threads here today and said "Why bother? It's a DONE DEAL!"

If the intent of this site is to get rid of George Bush in 04 then I hope today was an excellent lesson in how to shoot ones own self in the foot.

I avoided DU intentionally most of the day since I KNEW it was going to be like this.

Already our home grown pundits have predicted defeat and the polls don't close for over an hour.

Nice work folks....next time, I'll pay you all to go do the same on FREEREPUBLIC>
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_NorCal_D_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:00 PM
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101. Thank you.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go vote now!

(seriously) B-)
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:57 PM
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100. Drudge now has 64% Californians VOTING REPUKE TODAY
64%!

Repuke!

In California!

What bull.
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