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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:45 AM
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Breaking MSNBC: Sen. Nickels R-OK retiring
no link, just showed it on TV. He will retire after his current term.

Julie
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:47 AM
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1. YES!
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 09:48 AM by khephra
THIS IS FREEPING GREAT!

WOOOOO HOOOO!

He was the bane of my Senate Watching days! I call him Mr.Objection, because that's all he'd ever do--stand up and object over the smallest shit.

WOO FREEPING HOO!

:bounce:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:48 AM
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2. Uh oh....I smell something else.
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 09:50 AM by blm
This guy is a bad character, and I don't doubt there is something WAY bigger that he is involved in and fears exposure. This could get good. I loathe this scumbag as much as I do the core BFEE crowd.
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:50 AM
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6. Either that or it's the case of rats leaving the sinking ship first
Which I'd almost put my money on these days. Something's in the air, and the rats are going to start looking out for themselves.
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Mel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:58 AM
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17. YES!
I agree with you Khephra something is in the air and they know it's going down!

I'm soooooo glad to hear Nickles is leaving he's on my 'vermin list' right up there with Hatch and Sanatorum, now if we could get rid of those two........ :bounce:

I'll say it again *Bush is going to make Nixon look like a Saint in the end!
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:09 AM
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28. Add that nasty McConnell--
what a bunch of vile scum.
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Mel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:12 AM
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31. you are so right And
how could I forget that vile Allen!

I tell you what I'd be happy to get rid of just about ALL of them.

I can dream, can't I? :)
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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:52 AM
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10. Maybe he fears his exposure to the voting machines
If he gets out of office there is no conflict of interest.
Also he is required to report all publicly held stocks etc.. He has not done this on his ties to the voting machine companies, says they are not public. But this lie has been shown to be wrong.
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:04 AM
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23. He may feel he can do more good for the GOP
in his capacity to throw elections than he can as Senator. If you're out stealing elections that certainly would be a conflict of interest. Indeed. :puke:
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:30 AM
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44. Wasn't that Chuck Hagel? Does Nickles have connections, too?
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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:49 AM
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3. Oh goody!
Rats are jumping ship! They can see the "collision" coming with the Democratic iceberg!!! I bet Nickels knows a lot of dirt, and is getting out while the getting is good. Any chance this seat could be picked up by a Dem???
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:51 AM
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8. GMTA
;-)
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Vikingking66 Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:50 AM
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4. when's his seat free?
Is this for this election, the next, or what?
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FauxNewsBlues Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:10 AM
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30. It's 2004
Unless he came in on a partial term. He was elected in 1980, so he is finishing up his 4th term in 2004.

Keating and Watts are best bests on the GOP side. I wonder if the new Democratic Governor will be tempted to jump in here.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:50 AM
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5. Why? Is he going to spend more time with his family?
It seems out of left field.
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plcdude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:34 AM
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46. PGA
Nickles is probably going to head up the PGA and if this is really true we in Oklahoma need to find a viable candidate that will not just represent the right wingers. However, Watts, Largent, (Keating has moved to Washington area)have strong name recognition. Perhaps Walters or Orza may consider.
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:51 AM
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7. excellent news now what Democrat
could run and win in Oklahoma.
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:55 AM
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13. Good
I fu@@ ing hate him

I hope he has done something just awful and has to pay


Jitterbug is EVIL this morning
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:57 AM
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16. In his case, you're allowed to be EVIL this morning
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 09:58 AM by khephra
I fucking hate him too. And I won't even bleep it in his case. He's a retchedly vile man.

And here I thought today would be nothing but election news.

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

For those people who never got their unemployment extensions, well, you can thank Mr.Objection for that.

:mad:
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Mel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:04 AM
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24. you got that right Khephra
he's the reason for people not getting their unemployment extensions right before Christmas!
I watched that sack of craps objectections! Oh yes, I remember and I hate him too!! :evilgrin:
He's a dirt bag and I hope he Doesn't make lots of money when he leaves!
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LibInternationalist Donating Member (861 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:59 AM
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19. BARTCOP!!
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:33 AM
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45. BartCop for Senate!
Yeah, baby! He knows the Web, and he has PayPal.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:52 AM
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9. That is interesting. He's only 55. n/t
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:54 AM
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12. He'll be mega rich in no time
if he isn't already. Time to collect on his obvious favors.
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Evil_Dewers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:52 AM
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11. So what?
No Dem can win in Okie, not even a DINO like Zell Miller.
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argonne Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:55 AM
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14. So what? II
Exactly. Just a name change. New stationery.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:01 AM
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20. Um...we have a Dem governor
Having said that, it will be a bit of an uphill battle to pick up that seat for the Dems...there aren't too many Dem politicians who are household names around here, and Walters got trounced in '02.

Is Garth Brooks available? He's a hardy Yellow Dog Democrat.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:02 AM
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21. guess you missed the
election of Brad Henry - Democratic Governor of Oklahoma in 2003

http://www.governor.state.ok.us/?main=gov_info&head=abo...

Oklahoma may be slow on the uptake, but I think that this evil junta has had its run
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:13 AM
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40. If I'm not mistaken...
... There was a second Republican in that race who self-funded milions of dollars and took better than 100,000 votes? And we won by something like 5,000?

Do you have any plans to get him to run against Watts or Largent this time?

Otherwise, it will take a massive victory for out Presidential candidate to pull off an upset in OK.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:57 AM
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15. I guess he can't stand working under fascist thugs. And yes .....
I agree that the ship is sinking and it is better
get off now before it gets real bad.

The light bulb is begginning to go on in the heads
of the everyday John Doe republican and it doesn't look good.
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hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:59 AM
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18. lost out on being Majority Leader ....
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 09:59 AM by hadrons
he sucked in his gut and let Dr. Cat-Killer have it, but that's the job he really wanted and now with no-where to go in the Senate I guess he didn't want to hang around (like his "friend" Trent)

I'm glad he's going, but Ok. will elect a bigger numbnut
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:03 AM
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22. Man, some of you people never know when to celebrate
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 10:04 AM by khephra
And anything is possible in politics. If one only does what's been done before then there is never any progress.

Ok, so OK will be tough. But the right person at the right time can move mountains. It is possible. No seat is set in stone for one party or the other for all time.
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Mel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:08 AM
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26. Right ON!
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 10:09 AM by Mel
Look at what Wellstone did. We can do it that's a seat we can have and if nothing else we are rid of Nickels and that's cause for Celebration!
We have a chance to take the Senate back and I do believe more people are getting sick of what's happening here.
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Evil_Dewers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:13 AM
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32. Wellstone is dead.
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 10:14 AM by Evil_Dewers
Before he died, I had to read in The Nation how Paul had supposedly "sold out."

Pathetic. The left wingers of the Democratic Party are worse than the rightwingnuts of the Republican Party. At least the rightwingnuts are willing to compromise a tad to get power and keep power (ie. their support of Der Gropenfrher).
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:05 AM
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25. J.C Watts will replace him.
Watts would win easily.
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Evil_Dewers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:10 AM
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29. Watts would win easily
because he played football in Okie.

It doesn't matter if his brother is a murderer or that he banged every white girl in Okie and fathered some bastards.

Conservative morals take a back seat when a Republican is immoral.

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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:31 AM
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34. Excuse me, but . . .
why should the race of the girls he banged be of any significance? Is it somehow less moral of him to "bang[] every white girl in Okie" as opposed to every black girl in Okie?
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:45 AM
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36. It's the purple ones that upset me!
How dare he!! ;-)

Julie
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:48 AM
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39. Maybe it's a "numbers thing"?
IF there are lots more white females in OK than African American females... wouldn't that be worse?

Also, though borderline offensive, I suspect "Evil" was trying to channel conservatives in a funny way.
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Evil_Dewers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:25 AM
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43. Borderline offensive indeed!
Read my post #42.
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:09 PM
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49. I believe that's what I said.
Though I was more efficient with the language.
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Evil_Dewers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:22 AM
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42. I don't think it is immoral.
But the fundie Christians who control the Repuke party don't like a "mixing of the races" (ie. the unacredited Bob Jones University).

Don't imply that I'm being non PC. I'm pointing out the hypocrisies of the Republicans. When their guys screw up, they dismiss their "moral" failings (Dan Burton and the bastard kid, Bob Livingston and the New Orleans hookers, Newt Gingrich the serial adulterer, Uncle JC Watts and his bastards, Henry Hyde and his "youthful indiscretions" committed when he was forty years old, Bob Barr keeping abortion clinics in business all by himself). They understand the big picture--power. But it was OK to impeach Bill Clinton on blowjob charges. That was immoral.

The only thing I like about the freepers is when they are true to their feelings (they are openly bigoted and racist). Then I know I can dismiss any "points" they make without guilt.

The only things I don't like about DU are the indignant posts at everything perceived to be non PC. Well that, and the stupid Democrat candidate bashing going on.

"Clark is a trojan horse neo con."
"Dean is actually a right wing elitist who will say anything to win."
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JasonBerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 04:03 PM
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52. NO WAY Watts Would Win
JC Watts is persona non grata with the Oklahoma Republican party. He couldn't raise a dime in OK. He had MAJOR baggage that was going to be released on him; that's why he didn't run for re-election to his congressional seat. Tom Cole wanted it. What Tom Cole wants, Tom Cole gets in Oklahoma GOP circles. The Repubs will probably nominate Oklahoma City Mayor Kirk Humphreys. All the big names in the OK GOP are expected to fall in line behind him. Unfortunately, he will probably win. So, here is this guy:
http://www.okc.gov/query.html?council/mayor/Mayor_new.h...
UNLESS....Brad Carson runs. If Carson runs, he might make a race out of it. AND....as I was typing, somebody told me Carson is 99% sure to run. He is a Rhodes scholar, a brilliant young politico and a moderate - not a Zell Miller at all.
http://carson.house.gov /

Nickles, truly, was not expected to run again. He is wrong on most all the issues, but he honestly is NOT close to the Bushies. In fact, during the last term, he really moderated many of his stances (The unemployment thing aside...that was nuts).

Could be interesting if Carson gets the necessary backing from the national party. With the balance SO close - I don't think they can afford to write-off Oklahoma. Especially after 2003. Story there was that Oklahoma DID just elect a Democratic governor with hardly ANY support from the national party. They didn't think a dem had a chance. Wrong. Pie on the face. Another reason TM should be GONE from the DNC.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:09 AM
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27. So which ex-football player will be running for the repukes?
I'm assuming either Steve Largent or JC Watts will run in his seat. Nothing like repukes claiming first African-American man in the senate with that asshole JC Watts.

We can do so much better!!!
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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:41 AM
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47. First African-American man in the Senate (post-reconstruction)
Was Ed Brooke (R-Massachusetts).
John
But your point is still well taken.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:23 AM
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33. Nothing on google news yet
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:38 AM
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35. Awww! One of the two voting against recovery funds for NYC post 9.11?
(The other one is McCain if you are curious). Nichols was feeling gealous that our terra attack got more attention than theirs...Poow baby! I wonder what would come out in a campaign: Enron? Halliburton? OBL? Moon? CIA leak? What's your poison Nickols?
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:46 AM
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37. Update
Again on MSNBC (they do the updates for CNBC) Nickels' retirement is mentioned along with the fact Jr. tried to talk him out of it two weeks ago while they were golfing.

Julie
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:47 AM
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38. good-bye
Don't let the door hit yer arse on the way out buddy...
One down, 50 to go.... :toast:
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:17 AM
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41. Maybe he's quitting to take ADVANTAGE of the new
corporation front opening up in Iraq? :shrug:
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Barney Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:45 AM
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48. CNN Link to Small Story
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elcondor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:13 PM
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50. Heeheehee
:bounce: I cannot STAND Nickels! Everytime he opens his mouth . . . :grr: Happy for those in OK! :hi:
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freepotter Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:21 PM
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51. Two for the price of one..
Not only will we lose Nickels, but there goes John Inhofe's brain! Inhofe won't know what to do or how to vote without Nickels telling him what to do. Yeehaw!! Halleluia!!!







Let them call me a rebel and I welcome it, I feel no concern from it;
but I should suffer the misery of demons were I to make a whore of my soul."
--Thomas Paine
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