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Sperk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:04 PM
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KWWL in Iowa reports on new leads in Gosch case.
Edited on Wed May-25-05 10:15 PM by Sperk
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

cold case is heating up. Iowa paperboy Johnny Gosch vanished without a trace in 1982. But, now, after KWWL's story last month on Johnny's disappearance, there is new information on the case.

A private investigator working Johnny's disappearance believe his kidnapping was part of a government conspiracy. The investigator shared new evidence with KWWL and it could be the break needed to solve this case. That evidence includes a recorded phone call that has never been heard publicly, until now.

During the early morning of Septmeber 5, 1982, Johnny Gosch was kidnapped from a West Des Moines neighborhood while delivering newspapers. It was silent, quick and professional. "This man has told us that at the end of their investigation that there were 834 kids involved that were kidnapped," says James Rothstein. He's talking about a former CIA agent who must remain anonymous.

http://www.kwwl.com/Global/story.asp?S=3393685
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they cover all the bases....possible gov't porn ring, possible Gannon connection etc. But what does this article really say....I cant figure out if this is just recycles old news or if there really is hope for a break.

What's your take on it?
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:13 PM
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1. Here is the article and link to their website
Edited on Wed May-25-05 10:15 PM by Pirate Smile
New Leads In The Johnny Gosch Case

A cold case is heating up. Iowa paperboy Johnny Gosch vanished without a trace in 1982. But, now, after KWWL's story last month on Johnny's disappearance, there is new information on the case.

A private investigator working Johnny's disappearance believe his kidnapping was part of a government conspiracy. The investigator shared new evidence with KWWL and it could be the break needed to solve this case. That evidence includes a recorded phone call that has never been heard publicly, until now.


During the early morning of Septmeber 5, 1982, Johnny Gosch was kidnapped from a West Des Moines neighborhood while delivering newspapers. It was silent, quick and professional. "This man has told us that at the end of their investigation that there were 834 kids involved that were kidnapped," says James Rothstein. He's talking about a former CIA agent who must remain anonymous.

Rothstein is a former New York City police detective, now a private investigator working the case for Johnny's mother, Noreen. And within the last couple weeks, Rothstein has uncovered new evidence linking Johnny's kidnapping to child prostitution. "It basically came down to one thing and one thing only. You know, it was money. These kids were being grabbed to satisfy the malignant, twisted, you know, evil depravity of very powerful individuals who have the money," he says.

http://www.kwwl.com/Global/story.asp?S=3393685
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Sperk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:14 PM
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2. thanks, I posted the wrong link
n/t
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:16 PM
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4. more
"Rothstein is talking about individuals who would spend as much as $10,000 to have sex with young boys and girls. And this new evidence points to the involvement of U.S. government officials. "They were using kids to compromise people. And what better way to compromise somebody than get a young boy with a politician or some powerful person that may be in the military or whatever and then you can compromise them and get what ever you want."

Last month, people on the internet and investigators like Rothstein began to believe a man who passed himself off as a White House reporter and known male prostitute Jeff Gannon could be Johnny Gosch. And while Gannon's true idenity still can't be confirmed, Rothstein says the more clues he uncovers, the possibility Gannon may be Gosch increases, "When you look into the whole abduction of Johnny, what happened, the cover-up that took place, the way the kidnapping was done, this was a professional job and it fits the profile that I have seen over the years as a professional investigator."

Rothstein now believes the CIA was involved and tried cover it up. "They were assigned to find out if there was an agency connection to it and I am quite sure that if they found one, to make sure it was covered," he says.

And Rothstein's CIA informant says this: "We were specifically ordered to clear our name. This would make the American agency look pretty s****y, like we're all a bunch of f***ing child molesters."

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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 10:04 AM
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76. Gun-running, narcotics trafficking, child prostitution...
Rothstein now believes the CIA was involved and tried cover it up.

That CIA is a multi-talented bunch!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 09:02 AM
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93. Want to know who individuals are! Hurry up!
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:16 PM
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3. hmm, Jim Rothstein is very realiable !
:applause:
snip---
Those witnesses include a Black Hawk County woman who wishes to remain anonymous. She sent Rothstein this packet of information. "Johnny Gosch is mentioned in it involving something that was going on years ago in the Waterloo, Iowa area," Rothstein says.

And while Rothstein hasn't determined the significance of the possible Waterloo connection, he says it's just as important as the phone conversation he had with a CIA agent. "That's solid information with names. That's where you start investigating and that should have been done years ago," he says.

And because it wasn't, Rothstein continues to make phone calls, and work leads, hoping his next big break is the one that solves the mystery behind the disapperance of Johnny Gosch.

For the past month, Rothstein has been tracking the activities of two suspects he believes could be responsible for kidnapping Johnny Gosch. We couldn't name them in our report because it hurt the investigation. We agreed to keep their identities secret so we could tell you this story.
http://www.kwwl.com/global/story.asp?s=3393685&ClientTy...
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Sperk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:19 PM
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5. why would they tell us this Rothstein is tracking two suspects who
may have kidnapped Johnny? They(kidnappers) know who they are right? So why give them the heads up? What am I missing?
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:23 PM
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6. I have questions too
Why doesn't the invesigator go to Gannon/Guckert's parents and find out if Gannon/Guckert is adopted.
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Sperk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:25 PM
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7. I know, you would think that info wouldn't be too hard to obtain for
an ex CIA guy.
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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:28 PM
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8. I don't believe he (Guckert) has produced any family members
I admit that I haven't been paying too much attention to him recently.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:57 PM
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19. No one has seen "The Guckerts"
;)
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 11:09 PM
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23. Maybe they are in hiding?
Edited on Wed May-25-05 11:10 PM by cat_girl25
Who knows. Talking to Gannon's parents would end all suspicions, imo.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 12:06 AM
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38. I've wondered why he has no "family"
Johnny Gosh's mother has come out and said she can't tell it Gannon is her son or not from the pictures - he has had work done. Gannon could only provide some high school photos but he said to someone on TV that he would take a DNA test.

Where are the results?
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:55 PM
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18. because it is way more involved than
just those 2.
Father of Johnny was implicated as well.
The Franklin Coverup involves the CIA too.
Paul Bonnaci testifed that "they" used him to help kidnap Johnny Gosch.
Many were involved.
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Henny Penny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #5
97. If they were led to believe that the net was closing in
around them, they might be stressed enough to give themselves or others away, or be encouraged to testify against others in order to save themselves.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 08:56 AM
Response to Reply #3
73. What about his OKC bombing lunacy?
Hmm, it was a nuclear bomb placed there by Iraqis. Very reliable.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:29 PM
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9. The way they are reporting this
it's not being pinned as a conspiracy theory.... It's being treated like a true story that is unfolding. This is very interesting! What's the next turn?
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 11:11 PM
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24. Yes, very interesting isn't it?
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 12:07 AM
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40. This is very odd indeed.... Majors playing in our pool
And leading their news bulletins and websites with stories more commonly found in alternative blogs.

Like others around here I think something is up... stories like these are like icebergs when they get picked up by someone with credibility to lose. I.E. there is a great deal more below the surface that gives them a) the confidence to run the story and b) the confidence they will not get squelched by someone higher up the feeding chain.

Logically this will develop in two ways.

1. The station will pursue the story in coming days and give us more.
2. There will be some editorial realignments in this newsroom.

Sadly the latter seems more likely than the further.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 12:13 AM
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44. Maybe KWWL will become a Fox station...
and the same thing that happened to Jane Akre and Steve Wilson down in Florida after their Tampa station got bought out by Fox when their Monsanto story was shut down...
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chalky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 04:35 PM
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87. One more way this could play out:

3. Their "source" could egg them on until the story reaches critical mass, then pull out support at the last moment leaving the reporters discredited and twisting in the wind.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 04:52 PM
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88. Yes... very droll...
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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:29 PM
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10. I don't think someone saying 'CIA' and 'f-in child molesters' will be
easily swept under the carpet in Iowa. It'll be interesting to see if either of the other big two television stations pick up the story as well.
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Sperk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:31 PM
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12. is KWWL a major station in Iowa?
n/t
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:35 PM
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13. It also gets picked up in Cedar Rapids and Iowa City...
Edited on Wed May-25-05 10:46 PM by calipendence
So, it reaches a lot of listeners. I'm sure a big progressive Iowa City audience will eat it up! Used to live there! A FINE place! I used to work at KCRG there in CR. I bet they're now chomping at the bit to find more to this story too now.
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Blue Gardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 05:21 AM
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61. KCRG is right-wing
They are owned by the same company that owns the Cedar Rapids Gazette. The Gazette endorsed Commander Cuckoo Bananas, and recently added Ann the Man Coulter to the Sunday editorial page. I don't think they will pursue this story if they can help it.
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brystheguy Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:37 PM
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14. Yes, it's one of the big three in Eastern Iowa
I remember watching Liz Mathis and Ron Steele as a kid and college student. They were the most watched watched news station when I lived there.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:41 PM
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16. Waterloo, Cedar Rapids, Iowa City, Dubuque - blue eastern Iowa.
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Itchinjim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 11:58 PM
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33. Hey, Davenport too!
Deep blue Scott county.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 12:02 AM
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35. But Quad Cities (including Davenport) have their own stations...
and more would likely be watching KWQC (also NBC) in Davenport than KWWL.
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Itchinjim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 12:18 AM
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48. I just meant don't forget Davenport in blue eastern Iowa.
KWQC by the way, is an extremely RW station. It's the descendant of WOC, where good old Ronnie Reagan got his start.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 12:17 AM
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45. Of course. I just copied the names they listed on their masthead.
:)
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 03:24 AM
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57. it's owned by a company in Montgomery, Alabama, of all places
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:39 PM
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15. I bet the CBS affiliate sure wont - it's a Sinclair station.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 11:06 PM
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22. It will only be spoken about
in small broadcast areas,
more than likely

Radio interviews on this link, too.
http://www.mysteriesofthemind.com/Archives/2005/archive...
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:30 PM
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11. a blast from the not so distant past....
its interesting that the article states that Gannon's identity can not be verified. Why not? The yearbook pictures looked pretty convincing to me. That being said, the spooks have all the access and none of the parameters the rest of us have so who knows? Its nice to see its not dead.
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:45 PM
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17. question
would Rothstein even be hooked up with Noreen Gosch , if not for the linkage made here at DU?

I suppose it doesn't really matter..but I'm curious as to how/when he got involved.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 10:57 PM
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20. Rothstein has been working with Noreen
for many years.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 11:00 PM
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21. Learn a lot with these radio interviews, if you like...
Recently, White House Correspondent Jeff Gannon's press credentials were called into question where investigators discovered Gannon's past may have involved a gay military escort service in the DC area, and the possibility that Gannon/Guckert might be the missing Johnny Gosch.

What follows are several multimedia presentations that give you a more comprehensive look at this incredible mystery.

On April 6, 2005, Michael Corbin interviewed Noreen Gosch on his nationally-syndicated talk radio program, A Closer Look. To hear this two-hour comprehensive interview, click 1st Hour or 2nd Hour. These are in Real Audio Format.

Recently, Noreen Gosch and James Rothstein, Criminal Justice Specialist for A Closer Look, was interviewed on MSNBC. To view this presentation, click here.

Jeff Gannon appears on a CSPAN feed at the National Press Club to discuss "What Is A Journalist". Wayne Madsen asks him a question about his past. To view this presentation with selected excerpts, click here. To listen to the entire presentation, click here.

April 12, 2005 - A Closer Look World Exclusive -- Michael Corbin interviews Rusty Nelson. Nelson was Larry King's photographer. This shocking expose covers the activities in Omaha, Nebraska. Nelson discusses Johnny Gosch and Jeff Gannon. 1st Hour 2nd Hour 3rd Hour
snip--
http://4acloserlook.com/gannon.html
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melissaf Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 11:29 PM
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25. I'm confused...
All this information is very interesting (as well as twisted and bizarre), but I'm still left wondering: if Gannon/Guckert is, in fact, Johnny Gosch, why hasn't he himself gotten in touch with his mother? He's an adult now, right? You'd think he might want to see his mom after all these years.

Conversely, why hasn't Noreen Gosch gotten in touch with Gannon (probably more difficult to do, but not impossible)? Why do we even have to go through all these second- and thirdhand sources when we can just confront these people directly? It's not like everyone's dead and we're trying to put pieces together after the fact.
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imaginary girl Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 11:42 PM
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26. B/c there could be deadly consequences for both of them.
According to the info in Noreen's book, Johnny has been threatened against being in touch with his mom. Those responsible have said they would kill her.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 11:48 PM
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29. If we were to play devil's advocate...
Edited on Wed May-25-05 11:49 PM by calipendence
and say that if neither was being threatened at all (and that neither felt they were related to each other), what would they have to lose to do a blood test to verify this, and close this issue quickly.

The fact that neither want to pursue this points heavily that one or both is heavily being threatened. Can anyone think of a less "devious" explanation why they wouldn't be related and don't try to "sew this up" and "move on"?
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 12:10 AM
Response to Reply #25
43. Johnny Gosh's mother said she talked to him a few years ago and
he told her he had to keep his identity a secret. It is very weird. Why would a boy who was kidnapped and then speak to his mother many years later tell her to keep the information private?
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 12:17 AM
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46. Because they would try and kill him. He was on the run.
I read it in her book. He visited her in the middle of the night and told her not to reveal to anyone that he had been there. The only reason why she did a few years later, is because she was under oath in a court case and was asked if she had spoken to her son since he was kidnapped.
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imaginary girl Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 12:19 AM
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49. Hi Cat! Guess we posted at the same time (n/t)
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 12:23 AM
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50. Hi there!
You read the book too eh? I tell ya, there were a couple of times I had to put it down, it was just too much to take. :-(
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imaginary girl Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 12:36 AM
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53. Agreed. It's very, very sad.
Beyond what even cynics could expect of the powers that be. But it does make a lot of sense, when you think about it ... makes some of the ridiculous decisions many politicians are making more understandable.

But the poor kids and parents. I can't even imagine the pain they've been through!
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imaginary girl Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 12:18 AM
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47. Again, according to Noreen's book (Why Johnny Can't Come Home) ...
The necessity of keeping his visit (and identity secret) is because:

what he knows
what he was forced to do while in captivity
the fact that people have threatened to kill he and/or his mother if he visits her.
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CabalPowered Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #25
84. Sounds like the perfect scene for Jerry Springer! n/t
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 11:45 PM
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27. i'm thinkin' i know why guckert/gannon shaves his entire body.
he doesn't want anyone to be able to get an quick DNA sample by nabbing a hair or two.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. Is this why Bush keeps grabbing his head and rubbing it?
Edited on Wed May-25-05 11:51 PM by calipendence
To make sure he isn't able to get a hair off of his dome?

Of course he's got to make it look "normal" by grabbing and rubbing other folks' bald heads too. Anyone have that thread from a while back that had about 30 pics or so of Bush with his "bald fetish"?
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 11:55 PM
Response to Reply #27
32. Well, we know he shaves his head but how do you know he shaves
his entire body? :-)
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 12:02 AM
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36. the nude pics he put up of himself on the internet?
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 12:06 AM
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39. Oh, LOL. I thought you meant present day.
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laheina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 03:06 AM
Response to Reply #27
56. The resemblance is uncanny.
Put the pictures from the Iowa site next to the picture of Gannon on his own site. Wow!
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imaginary girl Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 11:47 PM
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28. I just hope they aren't setting people up for scapegoating ...
... though they do acknowledge a supposed govt connection, it wouldn't surprise me if they stumbled upon a couple of "bad apples" who just happened to be spoiling the bunch. Seems to be a fall back position for dealing with stories they weren't able to keep contained.
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laheina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 02:02 AM
Response to Reply #28
54. Well, I was thinking...
...maybe the CIA has had it with *'s meddling and power plays, and they're gonna implicate him in something *really* bad. It's prolly too much to hope for.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 11:54 PM
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31. Pax Puts Gannon on Polygraph
Pax Puts Gannon on Polygraph
Broadcasting & Cable (subscription), NY - 5 hours ago
On original series, Lie Detector, Jeff Gannon, the conservative blogger whose softball questions and run of the White House press room became a national story ...
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=gannon&ie=UT...


Pax Puts Gannon on Polygraph
By John Eggerton -- Broadcasting & Cable, 5/25/2005 3:25:00 PM

Abstract: PAX TV
may be cutting back on original programming, but at least one original series still on the schedule is putting a couple of high-profile figures in the hot seat.

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA603929.html?...

NEED A SUBSCRIPTION TO READ
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 12:28 AM
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52. Jeff Gannon hooks himself up to a polygraph
Here's the article


Pax Puts Gannon on Polygraph


By John Eggerton -- Broadcasting & Cable, 5/25/2005 3:25:00 PM

PAX TV may be cutting back on original programming, but at least one original series still on the schedule is putting a couple of high-profile figures in the hot seat.

On original series, Lie Detector, Jeff Gannon, the conservative blogger whose softball questions and run of the White House press room became a national story, hooks himself up to a polygraph to try and prove he is an independent journalist rather than a tool of the Bush administration.


But wait, there's more. The May 31 8-9 broadcast will also feature Steve Gardner, a member of John Kerry's Swift Boat crew who claims Kerry falisfied documents. He, too, will hook up to a lie detector to try and lend credence to his claims.

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA603929.html?...
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laheina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 02:05 AM
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55. This seems very contrived to me.
Pax doesn't exactly = hard hitting journalism, and what would they want to give air time to a *confirmed* male prostitute for? Aren't they the fundie channel?
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 12:01 AM
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34. Wow! This sounds very serious...
I hate to say it but it's what's uppermost in my mind: Rothstein better watch his back. :scared:
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 12:04 AM
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37. This story is all about discrediting blogs
So they pick up a blog error - Gannon is Gosch; (actually not an error - it was healthily discredited) and push this as "what the blogs are saying" then they discredit it and say "See you can't trust ANYTHING you read on the internet"...

This was the objective of the Bo Dietl show that no one has mentioned.

As I recall, Gannon was going to take a DNA test to prove conclusively that he is not John Gosch.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 12:09 AM
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41. Sounds like far too much effort is being put in for this to be true...
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 12:09 AM
Response to Reply #37
42. Um, new evidence in the Johnny Gosch case has nothing to do with blogs.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 04:44 AM
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59. Yep. That's what he said. Problem is...
No DNA from the dude. Maybe he isn't into "conclusive"...

peace.
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preciousdove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 04:50 AM
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60. And attempt to smear Patty Wetterling in the same stroke
..my opinion.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 05:31 AM
Response to Reply #37
62. This story is only tangentially about Gannon:
It is about a CIA informant admitting on tape the agency had a hand in abducting nearly 1,000 kids for child prostitution.
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TheGunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 06:16 AM
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63. This Rothstein had better name names if this is really going to go anywher
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #62
86. It supports the allegations of the Hersha sisters and most ethical
US law-enforcement professionals.

Many crimes are hidden behind the shield of "national security".
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 06:50 AM
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66. That's my first thoughts.
Edited on Thu May-26-05 06:56 AM by bushwentawol
This story just doesn't smell right to me. Someone needs to follow the $$$ behind this. It wouldn't suprise me to see there's a "swift boat veteran" type group behind this. What the hell is going on in Waterloo?


edit: this story is crap. follow the $$$
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 09:41 AM
Response to Reply #37
95. Ya, I picked up on that, too.
Edited on Fri May-27-05 09:41 AM by EST
The OP stated that the blogs "believed" that Gannon/Gosch were the same when, actually, the idea was presented and debated quite thoroughly, with investigations digging up what little information was available. The statement does cast a light on the point of view of the reporter, however.
My vote is - another "Rovian" distraction and Ferrous skullcap. (FeSc?)
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 12:26 AM
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51. Rigorous Intuition's blog:
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 08:08 PM
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103. Kick again for the truth on this Xfiles type story.
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preciousdove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 03:51 AM
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58. Curiouser and Curiouser
I thought that the Gosch and Wetterling cases may have been linked and it hit me then that both incidents took place just before national elections. With this surprising development perhaps my prayer at the end of the message I wrote this week for a DU lounge thread will be answered.

Fwd:
I think I may have seen the devil

Got called into my 11 year old son's elementary school. Car is dead. Hop on the bus and sit on one of the front seats as ridership is low outside of rush hour. I am vegging, watching out the window. Something catches my eye and as I am watching it go by my eyes lock on a guy glaring at a 10 year old boy sitting by himself on the bus. Guy sees me looking at him and does not change his glare. I felt a chill go down my spine and bile come up from my stomach. Nobody has affected me that way before or since. I couldn't tell you about anyone else I ever saw on any bus in my 50 some years but that man is burned into my memory down to the ironed crease in his khaki pants. He gets off at the stop across from a racket ball club.

One week later I read in the paper that in the the alley behind the racket ball club an 11 year old boy was grabbed and almost forced into a silver car but a college student saw what was going on and grabbed the kid back out but they did not get the license plate number.

Two weeks later I hop of a bus and get off near the Sears store and start to walk across the street. A fellow in a silver car shouts out the passenger door to me just as I come past the front of his car. When I get to the other side I look at him to see if it is someone I know and it is the same guy from the bus. He has the creepiest grin on his face.

Three weeks later 11 year old Jacob Wetterling disappears from a small town just outside the Twin Cites. Forced off his bike at gunpoint and never seen again.

I told all of that to the St Paul Police when Jacob was not returned in 48 hours. After one week I went back and canvased the area and the racket ball club seemed to know the man as a member but didn't want to get involved. One year later I told the FBI all of that and at year two I told the Jacob Wetterling Foundation.

The day Jacob was taken I suddenly felt that he had been taken to an abandoned seminary. I knew of one that was half way between St Joseph and Minneapolis. I was talking to my sister-in-law on the phone later that evening and told her the weird recurring thought and her mother was listening to the conversation and she had the same weird thought but she knew of another abandoned seminary near the tip of Lake Brainard. Neither of us ever thought of ourselves as psychic in anyway.

About 6 years later money turned up in the Twin Cities with a message saying that the writer was Jacob Wetterling. Handwriting experts said it could be his writing. About that time I saw a kid hitching (the other direction) on University Avenue wearing a Tux with a pink tie loosened and top button open in front of some upscale gay restaurants. My immediate thought was that he looked a lot like the age enhanced depiction of Jacob Wetterling, so much that I pulled a uturn to go back and ask him his name two blocks later but when I got back to the are the kid was gone.

Every milestone that my 11 year old reached reminded me of Patty Wetterling and those times she would never have with her child. Perhaps if I had only one question I could ask of God it would be where are all the missing children?
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nonny Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 06:23 AM
Response to Reply #58
64. Chills up my back---------
preciousdove,

Your story gave me chills. The devil indeed.

Maybe it is time to tell this to Rothstein.

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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 06:32 AM
Response to Reply #58
65. Thanks for sharing that Precious dove...
kinda puts it into perspective.
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Domitan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 07:12 AM
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67. The days get more interesting
The alleged Satanic Ritual Abuse at Hosanna Church...and now this! There are teasers of vindications for us tinfoil hatters who have suspected the validity of SRA and CIA-child abuse rings.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 07:23 AM
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68. Umm... it's bullshit?
It's bullshit that a local news station is using to increase their ratings.

This article offers:

a) No evidence to back its claims
b) No logical justification for its claims in the first place, true or not.
c) Heaps and heaps of baseless innuendo.
d) A story based on the uncorroborated nonsense of a highly biased party, who's now getting his lovely 15 minutes of fame in addition to a pile of money for his work. None of his allegations are backed up, and the news station didn't call bullshit on him.

I am calling bullshit on him.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 07:57 AM
Response to Reply #68
69. Speaking of baseless innuendo,
what's your source for the investigator's "pile of money"?

Rothstein played for the station a taped conversation with a CIA informant, and he provided them the names of two suspects.

From what I know of him, Rothstein's a careful and credible investigator.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 08:55 AM
Response to Reply #69
72. Simple assumption on my part...
...that someone of his supposed "status" doesn't exactly work for free.

As for him being credible, he has formerly pushed bullshit OKC bombing (nuclear bomb funded by iraq) Laurie Mylroie theories that have been totally discredited and whose only current adherent of any stature is idiot maniac Paul Wolfowitz. This guy is full of crap.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 08:25 AM
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70. All I can say is---wtf? True or not, this story is bizarromundo.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 08:40 AM
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71. JimmyJeff's best friend Bo Dietl of MSNBC was supposed to clear this up
with a DNA test. Said he would do it awhile back, during an interview with JJ. Haven't seen any follow up?
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:53 AM
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74. What is the deal with Bo Dietl?
Haven't heard another word about the DNA test. It's all so odd...

This probably goes without saying and call me paranoid, but I want to warn everyone to be extra careful in following the leads on all this stuff and that includes the Ponchatoula church that was recently exposed. While I don't doubt for a minute that close to a 1000 kids have been abducted and abused or that there was some really weird shit going down at that church; but the fact that the CIA is involved gives me the absolute chills and I wouldn't doubt that they could try and turn this around on bloggers/message board posters like all of us here on DU-who the CIA and government no doubt hates with a passion. Just clicking on the wrong website can get people into big trouble.

I give props to the people brave enough to pursue this investigation-but just please be very careful ya'll!

Just my .02 cents. :tinfoilhat:
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 10:30 AM
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77. They cut his show, after the JJ interview
<<SNIP>>
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/msnbc/msnbcs_dietl_...

MSNBC's Dietl & Daniels: Dead?
MSNBC's experimental crime show "Dietl & Daniels" may be dead. The show, hosted by Lisa Daniels and Bo Dietl, has aired a couple times in the 4pm Friday timeslot. The show may not appear again in its current form, but elements of it may appear on other programs.

MSNBC hope Dietl will continue to appear on the network as a contributor. This morning on Imus, Dietl suggested that Rick Kaplan had offered him a primetime show.

But that would be a controversial offer. On Friday's show, Dietl made several inappropriate comments during an interview with Jeff Gannon, foremost of them that "if you wanna suck a Johnny-Pump ." "Audible gasps throughout the building when Bo Dietl made his comments," an MSNBC insider said. "If they don't pull that offensive, pathetic excuse for a show, there'll be a revolt here."

But then this morning, Dietl appeared on Imus right and said that Rick Kaplan "offered him a prime time slot on MSNBC minus Lisa Daniels," a tipster says. "The offer was apparently made after Friday's Dietl & Daniels."

<</SNIP>>
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #77
80. "offered him a prime time slot on MSNBC minus Lisa Daniels"
Oh yeah, Bo; she was really dragging down the show. :eyes:

That "suck a Johnny-pump" line, I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't heard it myself. The gasps of the crew are audible on the tape of the broadcast.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 12:53 PM
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82. That had to most vile thing
that Bastard Bo Dietl could have said.
It was appalling !
:puke:
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silvermachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 09:11 AM
Response to Reply #74
94. Dietl is a moron...
...he can barely speak. That's the deal with Bo Dietl.
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:59 AM
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75. Idaho abduction case baffles investigators.
COEUR D'ALENE, Idaho - Sheriff Rocky Watson doesn't have anything to go on no suspects, no leads, no motive. But he has hope that a boy and his little sister will be found safe.
...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/idaho_slayings

Every time I see a story like this now, I can't suppress thoughts of what happened to Johnny Gosch. If you Google for "abduction no leads," you get almost 200,000 hits.


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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 10:53 AM
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78. Remember when Bush started to talk about Sex Trade and it seemed
out of context with the purpose of his speech? Could this have been a warning to the CIA that if they do not cooperate with lies about wars etc.... Bush will expose this stuff?
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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 10:58 AM
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79. From what I've read
he would not only be exposing the CIA but the sins of (his own) father.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 12:38 PM
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81. so true CornField
Edited on Thu May-26-05 12:39 PM by hiley
If anyone really wants the background start off listening to these interviews...
Radio interviews on this link,
*** Thursday, March 10 - Noreen Gosch, replay of June 22, 04
http://www.mysteriesofthemind.com/Archives/2005/archive...
*** Tuesday, March 8 - Ted Gunderson
*** Thursday, March 3 - Noreen Gosch, replay of June 17, 04
April Shows
http://www.mysteriesofthemind.com/Archives/2005/archive...
Noreen Gosch
Johnny Gosch's mother tells us her side of the Gannon/Gosch saga.

*** Thursday, April 14- Noreen Gosch
Co-Host Ted Gunderson and Guest Noreen Gosch, Part I
First of a 4 part series on pedophelia

*** Tuesday, April 26- Ted Gunderson - Noreen Gosch
Co-Host Ted Gunderson and Guest Jim Rothstein


Second in a 4 part series on pedophelia

*** Wednesday, April 27- Ted Gunderson - Jim Rothstein
Co-Host Ted Gunderson with guest John DeCamp


Third in a 4 part series on pedophelia

*** Thursday, April 28- Ted Gunderson - John De Camp
Co-Host Ted Gunderson, guests Rusty Nelson and Noreen Gosch


Final segment summarizing the series on pedophelia and recommendations for we citizens on how to deal with the issue.

*** Thursday, April 29- Ted Gunderson - Rusty Nelson
_____________________________________________________________________

Recently, White House Correspondent Jeff Gannon's press credentials were called into question where investigators discovered Gannon's past may have involved a gay military escort service in the DC area, and the possibility that Gannon/Guckert might be the missing Johnny Gosch.

What follows are several multimedia presentations that give you a more comprehensive look at this incredible mystery.

On April 6, 2005, Michael Corbin interviewed Noreen Gosch on his nationally-syndicated talk radio program, A Closer Look. To hear this two-hour comprehensive interview,

Recently, Noreen Gosch and James Rothstein, Criminal Justice Specialist for A Closer Look, was interviewed on MSNBC.

Jeff Gannon appears on a CSPAN feed at the National Press Club to discuss "What Is A Journalist". Wayne Madsen asks him a question about his past. To view this presentation with selected excerpts,

April 12, 2005 - A Closer Look World Exclusive -- Michael Corbin interviews Rusty Nelson. Nelson was Larry King's photographer. This shocking expose covers the activities in Omaha, Nebraska. Nelson discusses Johnny Gosch and Jeff Gannon. snip--
http://4acloserlook.com/gannon.html

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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:46 AM
Response to Reply #78
101. Yes I heard that speech at the UN and wondered

what in the world the Chimp was talking about! It was bizarre, even for him ,to say something like that in the middle of a speech.

Later I read someplace that there was some type of sex scandal during his Dad's administration. Involved his Dad I thought I read.


Is that what they are talking about now?
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preciousdove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 02:07 PM
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83. Smearing Patty Wetterling by association?
I posted this message late last night and it has disappeared. (Hate when that happens) so here we go again.

John Walsh AMW did commercials for Patty after she was viciously attacked by her incumbent Rep opponent Kennedy in the last election.
She is currently running to take Norm Coleman's Seat here in Minnesota.

It would be within the guidelines of these folks to let enough out and then try to discredit it (thus making it taboo for MSM again) and at the same time use it against Patty.

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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 02:44 PM
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85. I don't understand how this would.
The investigator has been working the Gosch case for years. He now has tape of a retired CIA agent claiming the agency had a hand in the crimes. The TV station has heard the tape. To suggest that this is an elaborate smear campaign against Patty Wetterling sounds - well, forgive me, but that sounds like a bizarre conspiracy theory.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 10:15 PM
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89. Did anyone see the report on TV?
How did they convey the report? This whole thing is very curious...
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 01:55 AM
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90. Kick! n/t
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Domitan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 07:23 AM
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91. boot!
d
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 08:39 AM
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92. This should be on page 1-kick.
:dem: :kick:
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 09:42 AM
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96. I agree!
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dejaboutique Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 05:24 PM
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98. it's just wierd wierd wierd
I remember living in iowa when the two boys were taken, Gosh and the other kid. My parents wouldnt let us leave the yard for like 4 months. There was a real panic - if this is true it is sad that it was our high officials causing good iowa people to fear. Hey Iowans - are people talking about this or are they just brushing it off?
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Sperk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 11:03 PM
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99. good question....any Gosch talk around the water cooler?
n/t
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 07:38 PM
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102. I was in IA when Gosch was taken...my son was about his age;
we lived in Ames (not too far from where he disappeared)...... it was a scary time

there was a paperback mystery on lots of grocery shelves then....the cover picture was an abandoned bike and a newspaper bag with a title (or subtitle) something like what happened?
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 11:54 PM
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100. Kick for the truth
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