Putin warns against pullout from Iraq

[leftchick]

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/C82CD5FA-4046-4795-A65C-7451FF6B8CA7.htm


Russian President Vladimir Putin has said in a TV interview that, although he believes the Iraq war was a serious mistake, a US withdrawal before the county stabilises would compound the problem.

"Democracy cannot be exported to some other place. This must be a product of internal domestic development in a society," Putin said in the interview aired on Sunday night on the CBS' news magazine programme 60 Minutes.

"But if the United States were to leave and abandon Iraq without establishing the grounds for a united country, that would be a second mistake," he said.


Here is a link to the Mike Wallace 60 Minutes Interview. I watched it and it looks like the chimp is being played bigtime by Mr. KGB...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/06/60minutes/main693422.shtml

[kevinmc]

1. If I were Putin...

I wouldn't want us to leave. As long as we keep on wasting our Troops and Money in Iraq, the better it is for Russia.

[teryang]

2. Getting advice from your enemy

That's right stupid, stay in Iraq and bleed yourself white, until your economy collapses. We don't buy or sell anything in your country anyway.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

9. From that logic Dean is our enemy too

BS

[mike_c]

12. anyone who advocates continued military engagement in Iraq...

...is my political "enemy." Democrats included.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

14. Glad that your ideals are on the fringe

man the world would be a scarier place if your ideals were more prevalent

[mike_c]

16. do I understand you correctly...?

"...the world would be a scarier place" if my ideals-- working for peace and opposing imperialist conquest, opposition to a war based on lies that has undermined the moral credibilty of my country-- were more universally held? Take a look at my sig line-- it sounds as though you and Pearle are in agreement!

[ProudToBeLiberal]

19. No you don't have me correctly

You said anyone is your enemy politically if they share different ideals from you. That would include family, loved ones, friends...these kind of blind hate is what I'm calling the "fringe." That is what I mean when I say the world would be a scarier (full of hate and amnimosity) place if we had more people like your ideals and philosophy.

[mike_c]

22. did you miss the "quotation marks?"

I used your term, hence the quotes around "enemy." I was quoting your expression in the previous post! Hate and animosity? That's a bit extreme, especially when it was you who originally framed the discussion in those terms.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

24. Whoever frames the debate, wins the debate

Republicans have been doing this for years, we need to strike back. If a fellow Democrat can frame the debate nonchalently, think what the republicans can do. Luckily for you we had this little excursion.

[NNN0LHI]

17. See who is on the fringe when they begin drafting mamas little boys n/t

[ProudToBeLiberal]

20. how about daddy's little boy?

Kind of presumptous that only "mamas" care about their daughters and sons.

[NuttyFluffers]

25. ...... blinded by own fury?

you reply repeatedly and fast, but do you read and attempt to understand? this little shpeel on this topic shows that perhaps you need to take a deep breath.

seriously, i don't think putin has USA's best interest at heart when he states this. he's a clever and devious man. and as good as dean may be on several things, doesn't mean he's perfection incarnate. history shows that we've been to this song and dance before and how it'll play out. doesn't matter about intent and desire to change it, it'll follow it's own course until we get the cojones to sit up, say no, and pull out. only once we admit failure can we re-start and try again. besides, we need help, and as long as we don't pull out and admit failure help will not be forthcoming. say anything else you want, but it doesn't matter, by simple fact of the players involved in this game the course is already layed out; nothing's going to change it until we restart.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

27. Well I gave a bs respone because you gave a bs response.

you said, "but it doesn't matter, by simple fact of the players involved in this game the course is already layed out; nothing's going to change it until we restart."

Are you advocating for a revolution?

[teryang]

36. And Dean is the chief executive of which nuclear power?

What an analogy.

[catnhatnh]

13. Yeah...but my enemies name is...

...spelled B,U,S,H!

[hatrack]

42. Except for oil - and we have no choice but to buy it from Russia

What's Russian for "realpolitik"?

[xchrom]

3. shut up putin.

time to bring our people home.

there's going to be a civil war -- let's just get it the fuck over with.

maybe some sanity will return -- and the criminal investigations can come home to roost for bushco.

[grytpype]

4. Sadly, he's right.

And sadly, we are going to pull out of Iraq when we have to, in 2006 or '07, and leave a failed state behind.

[Lerkfish]

8. Actually, I think our troops' presence is the major impediment

to their achieving a stablized country.

this comes under "duh!"

who are the insurgents fighting? "duh!..us".
How will we eliminate insurgent violence? "duh...by leaving immediately"

however, this is all moot, because the neocons NEVER INTEND to leave. We can discuss it all we want, but until and unless we wrest power back from the neocons, leaving will never be a valid option.

[0007]

10. No doubt about it!

[NNN0LHI]

5. The US used to say the same thing to the Soviets in Afghanistan

No, don't leave. Stick around until your country goes broke and there are thousands more of your soldiers dead and wounded. Pretty please.

Don

[Skarbrowe]

6. Exactly what I was thinking. Afghanistan broke the back of the USSR.

Putin and Osama sittin'in a tree.
Watchin'the U.S. crumble under "B".

[Deja Q]

21. Putin and Osama are in cahoots w/911?

That's a scary thought.

[Skarbrowe]

32. Hmm. Didn't think of them working together. But the outcome serves both.

:evilgrin:

[still_one]

7. oh I am sure he is thinking of our best interests

he is remembering what happened in Afganistan to the Russians, and would not mind the same thing happening to us in Iraq...

[bpilgrim]

11. the bear and the dragon wont allow us to leave till we're BANKTRUPT

don't worry, the neoCONs got it ALL figured out though...


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peace

[Bigmack]

15. Vietnam...

The Soviets... and others.... laughed their asses off at the Americans bleeding themselves dry in Vietnam. Why would the Iraq clusterfuck be any different?

[daleo]

18. Never interfere with your enemy while he is making a mistake.

Putin is just repeating an old maxim of Napoleon.

[agincourt]

23. The two foreign regimes,

that backed Bush were Putin and the Iranian mullahs. They know how dumb bush is on statecraft.

[Az_lefty]

26. Great advice Putin..

how about we pull out and let Russia take over.

[Carolab]

28. You are ignoring a part of his statement.

"without establishing the grounds for a united country", he said.

This is an important distinction. The U.S. needs to be helping the various factions to unite and they are instead flaming the fires of a civil war. Putin sees this. But he also knows that unless there is an effort to truly stabilize Iraq and unify it, there will be continued chaos creating an ever-ripening culture of violence and terrorist recruitment.

[Roy]

29. The question is....

Can the US stabilize and unite this country, seeing as how the very presence of the US (troops) is the main cause of the instability and division?

[Carolab]

30. Indeed, that IS the question.

It seems to me that there needs to be a phased exit strategy laid out, and that the plan needs to include peacekeepers from other countries?

[bpilgrim]

34. "peace keepers" from other countries are pulling out

as long as we are unwilling to surrender COMPLETE sovereignty the Iraqi people the U.N. will be useless.

though the Russians and the Chinese know they got us trapped, it's still a known, unknown to the neoCONs :crazy:

peace

[Carolab]

37. There must be a planned exit strategy.

And it must involve relinquishing the permanent bases.

[bpilgrim]

40. the plan is...

when all the oil is extracted, or we go bankrupt, we will haul a$$... whichever comes first.

:cry:

peace

[Carolab]

43. The problem is there never WAS a plan

because you are right...they never intend to leave

[bpilgrim]

33. which is exactly the formula for keeping us there till we are BANKRUPT

since our very presence insures the disunity and violence will continue.

peace

[roughandtumble]

31. Putin doesn't give a f*** about Iraq, he wants the US to BLEED..

[Gloria]

35. Russian oil firms are renegotiating all those lucrative oil deals

they made with Saddam. They consider the contracts valid and are aiming to get the fields they had for exploratiTheon prior to the invasion. The Russians and Iraqis have had meetings recently about this, but I don't know where stands stand at this point. The Russians care about a stable Iraq, for their own purposes....

They are also in a huge agreement with the Saudis. So, they are actively getting into the largest oil areas...and they are tight with Iran. Meanwhile, we're mired in Iraq while they get their ducks in a row over oil.

[IndianaGreen]

38. This is Putin's game: the longer the US military is bled dry in Iraq...

the stronger Russia gets.

We don't want an American empire anymore than Putin does, except that we do care about the needless loss of life in Iraq on both sides, while Putin feels that Iraq is our new Vietnam.

[Rex]

39. Payback for our role in the 80s war between the USSR & Afghanistan

Funny how OBL was involved in both this 911/terror war & beating the Soviets. What was Dubya doing during the 80s?

[jazzjunkysue]

41. Putin: "I'll say anything you want on TV: Just don't kiss me!"