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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 06:10 PM
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Bush OKs Demotion of Abu Ghraib Gen. Janis Karpinski
Breaking on fox now
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 06:12 PM
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1. Hmmm...the fall gal? (nt)
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 06:13 PM
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2. Ayup. n/t
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 06:37 PM
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9. Makes you wonder what she really did? Usually they promote their
criminals. She must be a lesbian or something.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 01:03 AM
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27. She's a general, so not exactly a fall gal
After reading how she ran things, I think she's deserving of the demotion.

In other words, good start - but there's a long way to go.

Peace.
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 06:14 PM
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3. IconCat's quote of the day: "Duh."
Edited on Thu May-05-05 06:41 PM by iconoclastic cat
Or is it, "DUh"?
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 06:32 PM
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7. Perhaps you misread the thread title...
I did the same thing. I read "Bush OKs Demolition of Abu Ghraib Gen. Janis Karpinski" and assumed this statement was accredited to the General, as in "'Bush OKs Demolition of Abu Ghraib'-Gen. Janis Karpinski".

I had to re-read it to see it really said "demotion."
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 06:40 PM
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10. ...dna emoclew ot aixelsiD dlroW!
nice.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 06:15 PM
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4. I OK the demotion of Shrub for his role in Abu Ghraib (link to story)
Edited on Thu May-05-05 06:28 PM by Solly Mack
Gitmo, the illegal invasion , the occupation..and all around thuggery.

I'm not surprised by the hypocrisy but it does so anger me...



http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050505/ap...
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 06:15 PM
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5. stupid women. betch a $100 bucks she was all crazy for his ass
before she became the scapegoat.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 06:24 PM
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6. Any link yet? Thanks. (nt)
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 06:33 PM
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8. Link
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 06:40 PM
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11. what a flat cojonessless man this bush is!that is why he has to stuff
socks on his manliness.

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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 02:06 AM
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28. The Cod Piece Kid.
LOL
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 06:48 PM
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12. George always hides behind a woman when he gets in trouble
He hid behind his mother all his life. He hid behind Laura at the Press Corpse dinner and now he's hiding behind a woman again. He's such are sorry sack of weasel shit.

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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 06:50 PM
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13. yep
he's a pathetic and horrible man
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 06:51 PM
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14. I thought it was a few bad apples
and it didn't go higher than the people in the pictures available to the public.

golly, have i been deliberately misinformed?
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Mr.Green93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 07:02 PM
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15. Can't this be stopped
with an injunction or an appeal or something?
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 07:17 PM
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16. They busted her for SHOPLIFTING!!!!!!
This is just too surreal.

The Armys inspector general investigated four allegations against Karpinski: dereliction of duty, making a material misrepresentation to investigators, failure to obey a lawful order and shoplifting. Only the shoplifting and dereliction of duty allegations were substantiated.

The Army did not explain the specifics of the allegations, but a number of previous investigations of the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuses have accused Karpinski of failing to maintain order and prevent the abuses. She has said publicly that she was not given full authority over Abu Ghraib and that when photographs of the abuse became public she was made a scapegoat.

A U.S. government official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said Karpinski was accused of shoplifting a cosmetic item from a shop at a domestic Air Force base while she held the rank of colonel. Karpinski did not report her arrest for this misdemeanor on a later background check, the official said. In an interview with CBS News last year, Karpinski denied shoplifting.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 07:37 PM
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17. This is ridiculous!
I hate Bush more every day.
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GoldenOldie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 07:54 PM
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18. Gen Janis Karpinski---Guard/Reserve(?) Commander of an MP Unit
Deployed to Iraq. I understand that control of her command was handed over to another female Regular Army General (sorry can't remember her name), who was deployed from the Intelligence Center and Command at Fort Huachuca, Arizona. The Intelligence Commander along with RA Intelligence COL, responsible for Intelligence training and interrogation techniques, were in charge of Abu Garhaib.

When all the photo's and information of abuse began to hit the airwaves, the RA General along with RA COL were rushed back to Fort Huachuca where they have since been promoted. The General is now the Base Commander and the COL is commander of the Intelligence School.

This has and is SOP for this Administration and the Pentagon.

Remember those FBI agents who attempted to alert their superiors of the ME students in the flight schools? Remember Sibel Edmonds who attempted to alert her superiors that the Farsi translators were not giving intelligence accurate translations?

Whistleblowers who do their jobs get the shaft and those that place us all in danger are rewarded.

You can bet that Gen Karpinski would have been in Levenworth if they thought they could get away with it.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:54 PM
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26. Barbara Fast, head of military intelligence in Baghdad..
Though old, this link is still active:

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/05/08/Worldandnation/Report...

Report steers clear of interrogators' boss.
By Susan Taylor Martin, St. Petersburg Times Senior Correspondent, May 8, 2004

A scathing report on prisoner abuse in Iraq found that U.S. military intelligence interrogators set "physical and mental conditions" for questioning inmates that contributed to the shocking acts of abuse.

But except for one brief mention, the 55-page report contains nothing about the role of the top military intelligence officer in Iraq, Maj. Gen. Barbara Fast. As head of intelligence for the U.S. command in Baghdad, Fast was in charge of interrogators at Abu Ghraib, where prisoners were beaten, sodomized and photographed in sexually degrading positions.

...According to Karpinski, who was formally in charge of Iraq's prison system, those detainees made up 60 percent of the prison population and were the fastest-growing segment. However, Karpinski told investigators, Fast "routinely" denied recommendations to release inmates who were no longer deemed a threat and clearly met the requirements for release.

...As head of intelligence in Iraq, Fast would have been responsible for intelligence officers working inside Abu Ghraib. She also "would have been very interested in the interrogation reports coming out of that prison," says Charles Heyman, senior defense analyst for Jane's Consultancy...

...The scant mention of Fast in the report is likely because Taguba was told to focus on the role of the military police, not military intelligence...

......Fast still appears to be highly regarded and remains on active duty in Baghdad...

...Last month, the Pentagon announced Fast will return to Fort Huachuca - to head the Army Intelligence Center.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:24 PM
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19. How about the shrub being demoted for lying to the american people,
attacking a country that was no threat to us, and causing the deaths of thousands and thousands of innocent people? (Soldiers included!)

Shrub really is a spineless sack of weasel shit. (I like that description!)
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:56 PM
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20. Not to mention his "daddy-I-did-it" war killed 100,000 Iraqis
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:58 PM
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21. Bush demotes US Army general (Karpinski) in Abu Ghraib scandal


I still think what was "seriously lacking" was the penis--meaning gender was a factor is this issue.


http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N05558396.htm

Bush demotes US Army general in Abu Ghraib scandal

06 May 2005 00:03:55 GMT
Source: Reuters

(Updates throughout) By Will Dunham WASHINGTON, May 5 (Reuters) - A one-star Army Reserve general became the first high-level military officer punished in the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal on Thursday when President George W. Bush demoted her to the rank of colonel.

The publication a year ago of photographs depicting U.S. forces abusing prisoners at Abu Ghraib on the outskirts of Baghdad triggered international criticism of the United States. Numerous additional cases of detainee abuse have since surfaced. Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski was disciplined after Army leaders deemed her job performance "seriously lacking" and accused her of concealing a past shoplifting arrest.

The Army said in a statement Karpinski had been reduced in rank to colonel, although an investigation by the Army inspector general's office "determined that no action or lack of action on her part contributed specifically to the abuse of detainees at Abu Ghraib.".....



The announcement came 13 days after Army officials disclosed the Army had exonerated Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, the former top U.S. commander in Iraq, as well as three other senior officers.....




Bush approved a recommendation to demote Karpinski on the advice of Army and Army Reserve leaders and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, the Army said. It added Karpinski would not face criminal charges.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:58 PM
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22. Nope, she's a patsy for Pappas, Miller, Sanchez, Myers, Rumsfeld,
Cheney and The War President. Notice how any mention of the "contractors" involved, Titan and CACI, is also gone.
:grr: :argh:
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:58 PM
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23. I'm thinking she's got a penis, so that can't be it.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:04 PM
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24. Breaking NOW? WHY now?
I mean, now that Lynndie England's plea bargain has been rejected and the Abu Ghraib mess just might start stinking to high heaven again? Her demotion becomes official THE VERY NEXT DAY? Is this the commander-in-chump's way of showing that he's "punishing" the officers as well as the grunts? Nah--it HAS to be coincidence!

:headbang:
rocknation
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:08 PM
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25. yes, odd that this appears one day after the mistrial of England--and it i
most likely because of the mistrial that Bush needs to send out the message that he is the tough guy on this matter.
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