Brazil supports Venezuelan sovereignty

[Algorem]

http://www.cleveland.com/newsflash/international/index.ssf?/base/international-5/111457163098790.xml&storylist=international

Brazil supports Venezuelan sovereignty
4/26/2005, 11:22 p.m. ET

By GEORGE GEDDA
The Associated Press

BRASILIA, Brazil (AP) — With Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice at his side, Brazilian Foreign Minister Celso Amorim voiced support Tuesday for a democratic outcome in Venezuela. But in remarks that appeared aimed at Washington, he implicitly cautioned against any outside intervention to achieve that goal.

We want to see Venezuela move toward a harmonious democratic solution," Amorim said at a news conference, a sentiment echoed moments later by Rice, who is on the first stop of a four-nation hemispheric tour.

Twice in his remarks, Amorim said any solution must respect Venezuelan sovereignty.

"Obviously, we know that, like any other society, there are problems and that those problems have to be worked out by the Venezuelan people," he said, speaking through a translator. He added that Brazil "will do what we can do to help in a positive way, always respecting" the country's sovereignty

[AP]

1. So, what are these problems?

[IChing]

2. He said

"Twice in his remarks, Amorim said any solution must respect Venezuelan sovereignty."


"Twice in his remarks, Amorim said any solution must respect Venezuelan sovereignty."


"Twice in his remarks, Amorim said any solution must respect Venezuelan sovereignty."

sorry I said it three times not two.

[AP]

3. What's the problem that needs a solution?

[Algorem]

4. wild and wacky stuff

"...U.S. concern about the centralization of power in Venezuela, perhaps in violation of the Organization of American States' charter, which says all signatories must follow democratic procedures...
...as the United States attempts to find a strategy for coping with what it perceives to be the country's drift toward authoritarian rule under populist President Hugo Chavez...
...At issue, she said, is the defense of freedom and democracy...
...the democratically elected Chavez has maintained that the United States has intervened repeatedly in Venezuela...
...Rice insisted that the United States is pursuing a "positive agenda" in its hemispheric policy...
...oil..."



Venezuela Q & A
Greg Palast

"...the "dictator" is Hugo Chavez, elected by 70% of the popular vote — and no one questions the validity of that election. This is a popularly elected president with a popularly elected congress, and yet they keep talking about "the dictator"..."

http://www.think-twice.org.uk/2002/palast/venezuela.html

[oblivious]

5. Empowering the poor is anti-democratic and ... and...

...winning multiple elections and a recall referendum is anti-democratic ... and ... and ... and ... we need a democratic outcome to the Venezuela problem... um... what problem? well, sorry, umm ... OIL .... strike that last remark ...I didn't say OIL ... this has nothing to do with OIL, so stop saying that.

[Frances]

6. How does Condi keep a straight face?

She goes to South America saying that Chavez is not democratic.

Meanwhile, her party is running ads against a Repub senator (Voinovich) for daring to ask questions about Bush's nominee. The ad essentially says that people should pressure their senator to forget his conscience and just support whoever Bush wants. Whatever your views on Bolton, telling voters that their senator should just do what Bush wants is not what a democracy is all about.

[AP]

7. And what's up with Democracy in Iraq? The US runs elections, doesn't ...

like the outcome, waits weeks to seat the people who won, and then somehow one of the losers ends up being the PM.

Is that a Democratic solution?

[Moderator]

8. kick

[NNN0LHI]

9. Brazil Subtly Warns U.S. Not to Stir Up Venezuela

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2005/04/28/253.html

BRASILIA, Brazil -- With U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice at his side, Brazilian Foreign Minister Celso Amorim voiced support Tuesday for a democratic outcome in Venezuela. But in remarks that appeared aimed at Washington, he implicitly cautioned against any outside intervention to achieve that goal.

"We want to see Venezuela move toward a harmonious, democratic solution," Amorim said at a news conference, a sentiment echoed moments later by Rice, who is on the first stop of a four-nation tour.

Twice in his remarks, Amorim said any solution must respect Venezuelan sovereignty.

Amorim was responding to a question about whether Brazil shares the U.S. concern about the centralization of power in Venezuela, perhaps in violation of the Organization of American States' charter, which says all signatories must follow democratic procedures.

[ret5hd]

10. what, are LEGITIMATE elections now not considered democratic?

[katsy]

12. BINGO!

The new definition of democracy (bushspeak) is... corporatocracy.

Don't you read your memos?

[Darranar]

11. If the people of Venezuela stop supporting Chavez...

and he refuses to leave, then this should be brought up.