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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 11:37 AM
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Number of 'Southerners' declining
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/South/10/01/vanishing.southe...

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A new Vanderbilt University study found that the number of people like Fleming, who are fiercely proud to be called Southerners, is being noticeably diluted by newcomers and those who just plain reject the label.

From 1991 to 2001, the number of people living in the South who identified themselves as "Southerners" declined 7.4 percent, from about 78 percent to 70 percent.

The study found that only Republicans, political conservatives and the wealthy bucked this trend, keeping the same percentage of self-described "Southerners."

"As with other parts of the country, continuing urbanization and immigration have had an impact on the South," said sociology professor Larry Griffin, who headed the study.

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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 11:50 AM
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1. Well the US is changing and so is the south!
:bounce:
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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 11:51 AM
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2. Well, I guess I'm different.
I like to think I'm part of new breed, a Democrat, liberal, middle class Southerner! :dem:
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:27 PM
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13. Me too!
Democrat, liberal, middle class Southerner.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 04:41 PM
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31. Me & I can say that I am proud...
To be from the south and can run my line back to Va. and beyond,heck I even bear the same name of the man trying for res. That was another day and time...
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 11:56 AM
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3. Southerner here too.
The Southerness of the south is being diluted by migration from other regions.

If I moved to California, I would still call myself a Southerner.

How much money was spent on that STUPID Vandy study??? Perfect common sense would tell you that people from other regions will hold to their previous regional identity....

Until they are amalgamated, and they will be, trust me, they will be. A good dose of blues and gumbo will indoctrinate them!

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yankeeinlouisiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:17 PM
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9. NO! Not Ever!
They'll never indoctrinate me!!

I'll always be a Yankee! :evilgrin:

And yes, you are right. I'll always hold on to my previous regional identity...regardless of where I live. ;-)
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:28 PM
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14. Funny, but the Los Angeles area
calls itself "The Southland."
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 11:58 AM
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4. Wow......Maybe they are becoming embarrassed.
Fascinating!!!!
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:01 PM
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5. I'm embarassed for anti-South bigots
Fascinating? No. An insane waste of money, this study? Yes.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:09 PM
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7. Oh goody, another South-bashing thread.
I guess there aren't enough Smirk scandals brewing for this crowd. Gee, I wonder what the gender bashing one will be about?


Hi Sy! :hi:

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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:23 PM
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11. Ripley, I have met the enemy, and it is us!
Apparently...

Myself, I feel antipathy toward certain Connecticut yankees, so all northerners must be bad. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Hi Ri! :hi:

(Ri and Sy, sounds like a great team.)
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:39 PM
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15. anti-"southerner" is just anti-"confederate..." it is healthy as...
...long as people don't turn it into anti-lower class white.

I think what this country needs to counter the conservative 'southern' culture is a revitalization of "Yankee pride."

To me the 'Confederate' or 'Southerner' ideology epitomizes one of the great lies and crimes of 'conservative' culture... that is the ability of the upper classes and the elites to recruit the lower-class into a backward ideology (to identify with a race, an ethnic group, a theocratic notion of the nation, etc.) and therefore these lower-class conservatives become the henchman of the highest classes.


So when I say I am against 'Southern' ideology, this is what I mean. I am not against grits or mint julips or banjos playing in the bayous, I am against the baggage associated with it.

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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:44 PM
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17. There's an easy solution
Move.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 01:07 PM
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20. ?
I LIKE living in the south. I have no reason to move.
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Dufaeth Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:08 PM
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6. I was born in Tennessee
Edited on Wed Oct-01-03 12:10 PM by Dufaeth
I have returned here after graduating from college. My dad is from Ohio and my mom was an army brat so I don't have that much historical Southern background(though my mother's family is traditionally from the south) I've always disliked the idea of being laebeled a Southerner.
I've always been glad that I have no accent. People are often surprised when I tell them I am from Nashville.

While of course Southerners aren't bad as a whole, there is enough of a problem with conservatism, fanatical religious movements and racism that I have no desire to be called a "Southerner."
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 01:14 PM
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22. this is the 2003
Seems to me there's more "racism" today in Los Angeles and New York, than in Tuscaloosa. I haven't heard of any blacks being gunned down or beaten by the police in Alabama in recent years. I really haven't.
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Kookaburra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 01:36 PM
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25. North Carolinian
While in college I worked very hard to rid myself of what I considered my greatest liability -- my southern accent. All that trouble only to find when I got into the real world, that far from being a liability, a woman with a soft southern accent and a brain in her head can go far in business.
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schultzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:13 PM
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8. I am very liberal, in fact almost socialist, and am a southerner
and am a middle class person.
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:42 PM
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16. geograhically you are but not ideologically...
you must remember that there were southern unionists, every southern state except for SC had at least one regiment of white 'expats' that formed to fight for the union cause.

That should be the southern heritage to be proud of.

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Romulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:18 PM
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10. "yankees"
Edited on Wed Oct-01-03 12:19 PM by Romulus
My fiancee (from Philly) always rolls her eyes whenever I dismiss rude people arounds here (DC) or Philly as "typical Yankees." :evilgrin:

Being a Yankee herself, she thinks the term "Yankee" is only used by Confederate nostalgists.

Romulus: born in Brooklyn - but raised, by God, in the South!! :evilgrin:
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:26 PM
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12. The ultimate impact of the continuing urbanization and immigration
is that some of the southern towns 'ways of doing things' is being incremently changed. The newcomers don't put up with the oft-time stagnant status quo; they tend to be progressives. I've been seeing this in the town I live in now for at least the past 5 years. The natives are getting dissatisfied with being perceived as backwards and are making progress, albeit slow progress. Education and awareness are still the keys to progress.
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:47 PM
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18. I am a Yankee through and through but all my ancestors fought for the Rebs
On my dad's side (the hillbilly side), all of my ancestoral cousins fought barefoot with their muzzle-loaders for Arkansas and there is a branch that were Floridians who fought in the marsh cavalry... my mom side were mostly Virginian aristocrats who led charges against the lead of the industrial revolution on horseback. There is a branch that were Maryland Confederates.
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Cambist Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:55 PM
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19. I Am Also A
Proud Liberal Democrat Southerner. :o)
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Evil_Dewers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 01:08 PM
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21. Southerners is not a dirty word...
<insert tongue-in-cheek>

Anymore than "libruls" is not a dirty word. Southerners get a bad rap because too many of 'em have thirty year old pickups with gun racks and Confederate flag bumper stickers. They also have couches on their front porch and marry they (sic) sisters.

</remove tongue-from-cheek>
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SouthernDaisy Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 01:16 PM
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23. not all of us, sweetpea
the south is changing and thank god it is. i cannot help the fact that i was born there. my brainwashing did not take i suppose 'cause i'm as liberal as they come.

please stop judging all of us.

the one nice thing about the south is that we do tend to be polite........so, get off our f'n back! :)
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 01:28 PM
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24. Personally, driving around Jackson....
I see WAY more Lexus's and SUV's than pick-ups. My partner has a 25 year old toyota pick-up which he treasure (but rarely drives). Sorry, no gun racks or confederate flags.

People should explore the south in person before making broad generalizations. Its 2003, not 1963, or even 1973. SouthernDaisy is right-it really is a new day.
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 02:05 PM
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28. sure. no gun racks or confederate flags here in baton rouge
except for confederate flags in two of the neighboring building's windows, the bush cheney sign still tacked on just behind where that truck transmission still sits, the pickup always parked there (with gun racks)...

...and the other neighbors with the confederate flag on the front of their truck (where the other license plates go in less backward states,) and the blue-and-gold confederate flags flown at football games, and bill o'reilly's column in the university's student newspaper, and old folks who treat you all "southern hospitality" nice and before you know it they're telling you about how the "niggers" are fucking everything up, the rednecks in the pickup driving down my street yesterday honking and yelling racial epithets at a young black couple with the temerity to ride their bikes on the opposite side of the street...

nothing to see here, really. it's just "southern culture" and "heritage."
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 02:46 PM
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29. Hi southernDaisy!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 01:50 PM
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26. It's what I've been saying.
They're coming from the north. Imagine the worst of the N.E. mixing with the good ole' boy network in the south. Not a pretty sight.
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 02:04 PM
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27. Let them do their little studies and say what they will
Cue the old joke: Have you lived in the South all your life? No, only up til now. Anyone who ever figures out the South, please explain it to me. I'll be listening to Johnny Cash's version of "Southern Accents" and chuckling over the fact that "Dixie" was written by a Yankee.

:smoke:
dbt
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blackcat77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 04:31 PM
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30. I'm a Hoosier!
We're a breed apart... :)
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tex46 Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 05:04 PM
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32. Off the top of my head
Greatness to come from the South:

Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Janis Joplin, Willie Nelson, Friday Night football, Molly Ivins, Ann Richards, Martin Luther King Jr., King of the Hill, Austin, TX, Tom Petty, Jim Hightower, Bull Durham, 30 year old pickup trucks...


Sure we've got our cross-section of assholes here too, but why focus on the negative?
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