No bail for suspect in detective's shooting (CNN)

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Monday, April 18, 2005 Posted: 6:20 PM EDT (2220 GMT)

PROVIDENCE, Rhode Island (AP) -- A man charged with killing a detective with the officer's own gun during questioning at police headquarters was ordered held without bail Monday.

Esteban Carpio, 26, did not enter a plea in Providence District Court to a murder charge in the death of Detective James Allen.

His face appeared bruised and bloody, and was obscured by a white mask that covered the area from his chin to his eyes. Police have said he injured his leg, arm and head when he jumped from a third-floor window at the police building.

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Carpio's mother and another woman wailed when he was brought into the courtroom Monday, hands and legs shackled and held by several officers. One yelled "Oh my God, look what they did to him." Officers wrestled both women out of the courtroom as they screamed about a coverup and police brutality.

Edited to add link: http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/18/detective.killed.ap/index.html

[rockedthevoteinMA]

1. This was disgusting. I saw it on TV... they interviewed his aunt

who said he was "mentally ill, and we've been trying to get him help for a long time. It's police brutality." I can't believe what happened to him. The RI governor has said he stands behind the police, and that there was no misconduct on their part. (I don't know what to believe) :shrug:

I feel bad for the detectives family too...

Edited to finish thought

[rocktivity]

2. Here's the link

Link

Looks to me like he should have been arraigned from a hospital bed. He injured his leg, arm and head when he jumped from a third-floor window at the police building? How did he manage to do that if he landed on his face?

:headbang:
rocknation

[rockedthevoteinMA]

3. I know it was repulsive to see him in that mask. And it didn't look

like he had any bandages on his arm or legs.

They have the video of it up: http://www.boston.com/news/necn/
scroll down to Man Held Without Bail in Detective's Death

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4. Thanks! Forgot to add the link. Edited now.

And I completely agree with your post.

[bhunt70]

5. Mentally ill or not, he killed a cop in the station.

I feel bad for the detective's family and the suspects family, but not for the suspect at this point.

There are a lot of variables we don't know yet though.

[foreigncorrespondent]

6. Gee!

I hope you never have any one in your family who is mentally ill and kills someone.

[bhunt70]

10. well, like I said, there is probably a lot more to the story.

edit - I also hope that I never have to encounter a situation like this. I do have mentally ill relatives and I'd hate to think something like this could happen so close to home.

At first glance though, I think being murdered is worse than being mentally challenged.

I am open to the possibility that the story didn't happen exactly as the article points out but in this instance I think an ass kicking is minor compared to a murder.

The extent of his mental illness isn't really discussed and the violence can't be automatically attributed to his mental illness. It may be at some point, but with that article it's very hard to jump from A to C.

[foreigncorrespondent]

13. And...

...I still stad by my words in my last post!

[rockedthevoteinMA]

7. True, but if he really is mentally ill... was he in control?

I know some of the mentally ill folks I have been around (when in need of treatment) aren't in the same reality as you or I. I feel bad that the system failed him and his family, and another family had to suffer as well.

[NNN0LHI]

14. Uh, he is accused of killing a cop

Lets wait for the trial to decide his guilt. Fair enough?

Don

[fryguy]

8. no bail? no surprise?

he's charged with killing a cop - defendants for capital cases never qualify for release with bail.

[hector459]

9. 5 will get you 10 that he was beaten BEFORE he took the detective's gun

It was wrong and he should pay for killing that detective but something tells me he was beaten during his initial questioning by police and his insane act of taking the detective's gun and shooting him and jumping through the window was in sheer fear and desperation. A tragedy all the way around.

[bhunt70]

11. I thought that might also have been a possibility.

[fryguy]

12. where are you getting that?

before you start spinning allegations, base it on something other than hunches or a general suspicion of the police. there has been nothing in any of the reports from police or the family to indicate there is any truth in what you're saying.

sure shooting a cop and jumping through a window would seem a desperate act to someone with their faculties with them, but as his parents have said - he was troubled, they had called the police earlier in the month to have him removed by ambulance, and they were seeking help for him. so it would seem he didn't have all his faculties when he did what he is alleged to have done.

but yes, anyway you cut it, a tragedy all around.