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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 07:03 PM
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New Law: Pregnant Women Can Divorce (in WA State)
OLYMPIA - Pregnant women will be allowed to divorce their husbands in the state of Washington, thanks to a bill Gov. Christine Gregoire signed Thursday.

"We thought this was the law about 50 years ago," said Rep. Mary Lou Dickerson, D-Seattle, the bill's sponsor. "No kidding," Gregoire responded. "I was surprised."

The bill was inspired by the plight of Shawnna Hughes, a Spokane woman seeking to divorce her abusive husband. A Spokane County judge revoked her divorce because she was pregnant. Superior Court Judge Paul Bastine ruled that state law said marriages can't be dissolved until the paternity of the unborn child is established, so the state knows who should pay child support. The judge's interpretation "set very dangerous policies for women, particularly women in violent relationships," said Terri Sloyer, Hughes' lawyer. "You're basically holding them hostage in relationships with abusers."

http://www.komotv.com/stories/36311.htm
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  - well geech, it IS 2005 isn't it?  rodeodance   Apr-14-05 07:06 PM   #1 
  - Judge doesn't know what is a calendar.  LiberalFighter   Apr-14-05 09:56 PM   #15 
  - At least they rectified the situation when they discovered it.  TXlib   Apr-14-05 07:08 PM   #2 
  - What Would Rossi Do?  paxmusa   Apr-14-05 07:12 PM   #6 
     - Imagine if this had been  liberalhistorian   Apr-14-05 09:07 PM   #11 
  - Nice to see they got around to that.  Fenris   Apr-14-05 07:09 PM   #3 
  - They couldn't before????  Skip Intro   Apr-14-05 07:09 PM   #4 
  - They can't in Texas.  Maddy McCall   Apr-14-05 07:12 PM   #5 
  - Jesus  Scairp   Apr-14-05 08:06 PM   #7 
  - Let me add...  Maddy McCall   Apr-14-05 08:09 PM   #8 
     - This is disgusting.  Erika   Apr-14-05 08:54 PM   #10 
     - Don't know. Many, I'm sure.  Maddy McCall   Apr-14-05 09:14 PM   #12 
     - OMG! Maddy, that's horrible & frightening!  Pachamama   Apr-14-05 10:26 PM   #18 
  - This brought me to tears  Solly Mack   Apr-14-05 10:09 PM   #17 
  - Dragging the law kicking and screaming into the 20th Century  Shallah   Apr-14-05 08:32 PM   #9 
  - Isn't that a little late?  nolabels   Apr-14-05 09:47 PM   #13 
  - Judge is an idiot... that's why  LiberalFighter   Apr-14-05 09:55 PM   #14 
  - Scott Peterson and Charles Stuart come to mind.  DulceDecorum   Apr-14-05 10:06 PM   #16 
  - kick to combine  Moderator   Apr-15-05 12:05 PM   #19 
  - Bill allows divorce for pregnant women- Go Gregoire  uppityperson   Apr-15-05 12:05 PM   #20 
     - Shit, is this 2005 or  liberalhistorian   Apr-15-05 12:05 PM   #21 
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 07:06 PM
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1. well geech, it IS 2005 isn't it?
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:56 PM
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15. Judge doesn't know what is a calendar.
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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 07:08 PM
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2. At least they rectified the situation when they discovered it.
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 07:12 PM
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6. What Would Rossi Do?
I'm wondering if Right-Wing Republican Dino Rossi had become governor if he would have immediately rectified the situation--probably not.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:07 PM
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11. Imagine if this had been
a southern or other red state. Nothing would have been done at all.
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 07:09 PM
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3. Nice to see they got around to that.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 07:09 PM
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4. They couldn't before????
Got freedom?
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 07:12 PM
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5. They can't in Texas.
I had to wait after the birth of my son for the divorce to be finalized. That was 1994.

And, throughout my whole pregnancy, the judge required my OB to send certified statements each week to my husband's lawyer, stating that I was still pregnant, even though my husband cancelled by insurance and never helped in any way with any of my pre-natal care.

Texas has really oppressive laws.
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Scairp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 08:06 PM
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7. Jesus
And we felt the need to "free" women in Muslim countries like Afghanistan?! American women are clearly still fighting here to gain autonomy. Pretty ironic.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 08:09 PM
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8. Let me add...
that the reason I filed for divorce is because my husband beat me and stabbed me WHILE I WAS PREGNANT.

I had two broken ribs, and photos of all of my injuries. Still, the divorce was put on hold until after the birth of my son. Seems like my son being "legitimate" was more important to the judicial system in Texas than our lives were.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 08:54 PM
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10. This is disgusting.
Women and their babies as chattel of the husband again? I wonder how many know these situations still exist here.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:14 PM
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12. Don't know. Many, I'm sure.
If it weren't for a sweet little old lady named Joyce, who worked for the Women's Shelter in Rusk County, who ushered me through the whole process, and for a liberal ADA named Bill who was completely on my side, and who later positioned himself as Guardian Ad Litem for my son so that I could get total and complete custody, I don't know how it would have turned out.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:26 PM
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18. OMG! Maddy, that's horrible & frightening!
I just can't in my wildest nightmares imagine any gov't in the US and our judicial system requiring such things and not taking the safety of the woman or the baby into consideration!

And they call themselves the "culture of life"...what if you or the baby had died as a result of him stabbing you? They'd justify their failure to let you divorce by saying what? That atleast a pregnant woman died married? :eyes:

There are a lot of "bad laws" like these still on the books in this country...and the Repukes would rather leave them or reinstate them....scary...
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:09 PM
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17. This brought me to tears
I'm so sorry you were made to go through this...

You're a strong woman, Maddy. I admire that..



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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 08:32 PM
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9. Dragging the law kicking and screaming into the 20th Century
Edited on Thu Apr-14-05 08:34 PM by Shallah
Small problem - we are supposed to be in the 21st :banghead:
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:47 PM
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13. Isn't that a little late?
Why should they have to wait till after they got pregnant before they getting a divorce :shrug:
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 09:55 PM
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14. Judge is an idiot... that's why
They can establish paternity after the divorce or before the divorce. But the judge couldn't figure that out.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:06 PM
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16. Scott Peterson and Charles Stuart come to mind.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 12:05 PM
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19. kick to combine
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 12:05 PM
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20. Bill allows divorce for pregnant women- Go Gregoire
Edited on Fri Apr-15-05 12:15 PM by uppityperson
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002242...

OLYMPIA -- Pregnant women will be allowed to divorce their husbands in the state of Washington, thanks to a bill Gov. Christine Gregoire signed yesterday.
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The bill was inspired by the plight of Shawnna Hughes, a Spokane woman seeking to divorce her abusive husband. A Spokane County judge revoked her divorce because she was pregnant.

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The judge's interpretation "set very dangerous policies for women, particularly women in violent relationships," said Terri Sloyer, Hughes' lawyer. "You're basically holding them hostage in relationships with abusers."
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The new law will take effect July 23. It won't help Hughes, whose appeal is scheduled for oral arguments next month.


Edited to add: Ms.Hughes has been living with another man (sperm contributor) while her (legal) husband has spent at least part of the time in jail. So what if sh'e pregnant with not the (legal) husband, you don't need to EVER be legally married to the sperm contributor to determine paternity and figure out child support obligatons. I am appalled that such a law is even necessary. And so sorry to hear of your troubles in Texas 10 yrs ago (Maddy was it?).
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 12:05 PM
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21. Shit, is this 2005 or
1895? I'm beginning to wonder sometimes. I just love these people who have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century when they're still stuck in the 18th or 19th. :eyes: :grr: :grr:
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