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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 08:18 PM
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DR Congo's atrocious secret
By Hilary Andersson
BBC Africa correspondent


Despite a peace deal signed two years ago to end the long-running civil war, violence is continuing in the east of the Democratic Republic of Congo. And in the province of Ituri, Hilary Andersson finds evidence of cannibalism by some rebels

...

In an afternoon every person we spoke to, without exception, had witnessed not just killing but horrific mutilation. Their relatives had their hearts ripped out, their heads cut off, their sexual organs removed.

...

Kavuo and the women were ordered to lie with their faces on the ground. The militia ordered Kavuo's husband and the other men to collect firewood.

...


Her testimony is that the militia men lit a fire and put an old oil drum, cut into two, on the flames. I will omit other details. But Kavuo says the militia cooked her husbands parts in the drums and ate them.

more
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/4424909.stm




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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 08:29 PM
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1. The history of cannibalism in Congo insurgencies...
Goe back quite a few years. During the L'Mumba days and closely following, it was a problem then. I gues there are some old "warrior" traditions that just don't or won't die.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:45 PM
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7. Here's some links. They ain't freepers.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3034001.stm

http://rwandarugali.tripod.com/rwanda/id357.html

http://www.crimesofwar.org/onnews/news-congo.html

http://www.monuc.org/Story.aspx?storyID=432

Now, I did not say such things were universal across the continent. They are, to be sure, aberrations. We even have them here. But they turn up from time to time there, too.

It happens. I am not celebrating it.

Now, please, get a grip. I do not appreciate you ranting at me.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 01:26 AM
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12. List the names of Africans who have indulged in cannibalism
I listed US citizens who are DEMONSTRATED cannibals
and the post was deleted.

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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 01:47 AM
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14. Unproven claims and pure racism.
This article was written by one Hilary Andersson.

On 14 November 2004, the BBC screened a report by Panorama, its flagship investigative programme. Entitled "The New Killing Fields", and made by Hilary Andersson, the report purported to be an examination of allegations of genocide in Darfur. Far from demonstrating any investigative journalism, Ms Andersson's report had more in common with British Tabloid journalism, relying on sensationalism, inaccurate stereotypes and unproven claims. In so doing this Panorama programme deviated significantly from the journalistic standards normally associated with the Panorama series and violated the BBC's own 'Producers' Guidelines'. The European-Sudanese Public Affairs Council has made the following formal complaint to the BBC about the programme.

Given that in her reporting Ms Andersson echoed claims made by the United States government, could we clarify whether or not Ms Andersson's father is still a serving United States State Department official or attaché - and which department or agency he is serving or has served with?
http://www.espac.org/latest_pages/self_serving.htm

Now, are you willing to take the word of this mediawhore
when she claims that Africans are cannibals?
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 02:31 AM
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16. That Is An Interesting Site, Mr. Decorum
It is clearly put together by a competenmt public relations firm for the benefit of the Sudanese government. It is worthless, axcept in the sense that a mirror can be used to guess the reverse of whatis shown. Your argument here boils down to stating that because a publicist for the Sudanese government does not like this woman's coverage of his employer's crimes, she must surely be making up things about events in a central African civil war....
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 09:43 AM
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20. Since I value my membership here
I cannot respond to The Magistrate.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 06:11 AM
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17. ESPAC is run by David Hoile
who was Senior Vice Chairman of the Federation of Conservative Students in the UK - closed down by Thatcher's party for being too right wing. He also set up the "Committee for a Free Nicaragua", a pro-Contra group. He was in favour of apartheid. He's a right-wing shit. Don't trust a single word he says.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 09:56 AM
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21. Thanks DulceDecorum
I always want to hear your thoughts.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 09:30 PM
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2. When Unka Jonathan of Riggs Bank
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 09:41 PM by DulceDecorum
found that he could not keep the money that had been deposited as payment for oil removed from Equatorial Guinea, he made a few telephone calls.
Mark Thatcher, Son of Margaret, procured a helicopter to ferry Severo Moto into Equatorial Guinea where he would become the next head of state.

Moto also went on the offensive, telling Spanish radio station Onda Cero that Obiang was an "authentic cannibal" who "systematically eats his political rivals.
"A while back he paid millions to those they call marabou (sorcerers) to tell him if his power base was safe. They told him that to keep his grip on power he had to kill people close to him.
"Obiang wants me to go back to Guinea and eat my testicles. That's clear," he told Onda Cero.
http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/News/0,,2-11-1447_1496535,00.html

Africans = cannibals
said the scriptwriter.
The average middle class white boys fall for that one every time
said the pollsters.
Booga booga
said the anthropologists.
They are not fully human so its OK to kill them
said the eugenicists.
Just don't eat them after you do
said the Reverend.

Lets have a closer look at the author of this piece of crap.

Hilary Andersson was born in Austin, Texas in September 1967, Hilary grew up in Britain, Belgium, Germany, South Africa and Saudi Arabia.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/newswatch/ifs/hi/newsid_3230000/newsid_3232500/3232598.stm

NEVER have I met ANY western journalist
who could hold their own in ANY African language
or who EVER spent any time talking to the "natives."
This Texan probably pulled her "facts" from the CIA handbook
and I dare her or anyone else to demonstrate otherwise.
Damn bitch.
How the fuck did she understand ONE DAMN word of what was being said and WHY THE FUCK would ANY African confide in anyone from TEXAS?
She is probably doing a Monica on Rumsfeld as a way of expressing her gratitude for being hired by the Office of Special plans.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,999737,00.html

On 14 November 2004, the BBC screened a report by Panorama, its flagship investigative programme. Entitled "The New Killing Fields", and made by Hilary Andersson, the report purported to be an examination of allegations of genocide in Darfur. Far from demonstrating any investigative journalism, Ms Andersson's report had more in common with British Tabloid journalism, relying on sensationalism, inaccurate stereotypes and unproven claims. In so doing this Panorama programme deviated significantly from the journalistic standards normally associated with the Panorama series and violated the BBC's own 'Producers' Guidelines'. The European-Sudanese Public Affairs Council has made the following formal complaint to the BBC about the programme.
http://www.espac.org/latest_pages/self_serving.htm

UNPROVEN CLAIMS.
Why are wasting time attacking judges
when we could be stringing up mediawhores like Hilary Andersson?
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 09:49 PM
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4. Khartoum and Washington DC.
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 09:53 PM by DulceDecorum
"The people in Sudan want to resolve the conflict. The US is committed to overthrowing the government in Khartoum. Any sort of peace effort is aborted, basically by policies of the United States...Instead of working for peace in Sudan, the US government has basically promoted a continuation of the war."
http://www.espac.org/profile/profile.html

Brought to you by people who checked their facts.
As opposed to lying bitch institutions.
http://www.espac.org/oil_pages/smith_college.htm

Renting a hellhole.
http://www.mediatransparency.org/search_results/info_on_any_recipient.php?recipientID=1012
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 06:18 AM
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18. You know, just because racists believe that all Africans are cannibals
doesn't mean that no cannibalism exists. What is true, and grotesque, is that the highlight of any piece on the conflict in DR Congo should be alleged cannibalism, and not the arms sales from the UK, US, France which keep the fight going and keep money flowing into the pockets of the Western bourgeoisie.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 11:08 AM
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23. Can't PROVE that even ONE African is a cannibal, eh?
I take that statement as an open admission of an inability to document African cannibalism
One down.
But you do bring up a bitter truth
concerning the riches of the Congo.

An earlier post states:
The history of cannibalism in Congo insurgencies...
Goe back quite a few years. During the L'Mumba days and closely following, it was a problem then. I gues there are some old "warrior" traditions that just don't or won't die.


Oh really?
The L'Mumba days?
I guess you meant to say LUMUMBA.
Let us fill in the blanks for those who do not yet know of
Patrice Lumumba.

On 17th January 1961 Patrice Lumumba, first and only elected Prime Minister of Congo, was murdered. The circumstances of his death remained a mystery, the identity of his killers unknown.
Now, forty years later, fresh scrutiny of documents held in government vaults and the testimony of those who were there at the time reveal a story of international intrigue and betrayal.
<snip>
At the Independence Day celebrations of June 30th Belgium's hostility to Lumumba deepened. Excluded from the official programme, Lumumba was advised by Van Lierde to get up and make an impromptu speech. He did, passionately denouncing the harsh brutalities and indignities suffered by the Congolese under Belgian colonial rule. Diplomacy it was not.
"The king was very angry. The Belgians wanted nothing to do with him after that. People say it was this speech that brought his end," says Van Lierde.
<snip>
Devlin says he suspected, but didn't know for sure, that the order to assassinate Lumumba must have come from President Eisenhower himself. In August this year, however, Devlin's suspicion was confirmed officially by Washington - the order had come from the President.
He appealed to local UN troops to save him. The UN refused on direct orders from headquarters in New York. He was flown first to Leopoldville, where he appeared beaten and humiliated before journalists and diplomats.
<snip>
"He was chained in the back of a truck. He was bleeding, his hair was dishevelled, he'd lost his glasses", says Rikhye. "But we could not intervene."
Further humiliation followed at Mobutu's villa, where delighted young soldiers whooped with joy as they beat the elected prime minister in full view of television cameras. Lumumba was despatched first to Thysville military barracks, one hundred miles from Leopoldville.
<snip>
That same night it is said Lumumba was bundled into another convoy that headed into the bush. It drew up beside a large tree. Three firing squads had been assembled, commanded by a Belgian. Another Belgian had overall command of the execution site. Lumumba and two other comrades from the government were lined up against a large tree. President Tschombe and two other ministers were present for the executions, which took place one at a time.
The following day Katanga's interior minister called a senior Belgian policeman to his office with orders to conceal the killings. "He said 'You destroy them, you make them disappear. How you do it doesn't interest me," says Gerard Soerte. Soete and a companion exhumed the bodies from shallow graves, hacked them into pieces and dissolved them in acid from the Belgian-run mines nearby.
"We were there for two days," says Soete. "We did things an animal wouldn't do. That's why we were drunk. Stone drunk." When they ran out of acid, they made a fire for the last remains. When they had finished, there was no trace of human remains.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/correspondent/974745.stm

The history of cannibalism in Congo insurgencies...
Goe back quite a few years. During the L'Mumba days and closely following, it was a problem then. I gues there are some old "warrior" traditions that just don't or won't die.


In another bizarre twist to the story, Belgian colonial police commissioner Gerard Soete, said he exhumed the body, drove around for a while with Lumumba's body in his car trunk before he and his brother dissolved the dismembered body in acid. According to reports, Soerte told a stunned Belgian nation on television in 1999, that he kept two of Lumumba's teeth as souvenir. When the Congolese called for a return of the body part, Soete insisted he had later thrown the teeth into the North Sea.
http://profileafrica.com/Search76.htm

Yeah,
some old "warrior" traditions just don't or won't die.

Q: When did all this happen?
DELGADO: November 24th. The event was actually mentioned in the Taguba Report, under Protocol Golden Spike. And there’s more. Before our company transported the bodies, the soldiers stopped and posed with the bodies and mutilated them further. I got photos from the guy who was there, my friend. I have a photo of a member of my unit, scooping out the prisoner’s brains with an MRE spoon. Four people are looking on, two are taking photographs. If you remember the Abu Ghraib stuff that came out on CNN, this kind of stuff was common. You see guys posing with bodies, or toying with corpses. It was a real common thing in the military, all because the guys thought Arabs are terrorists, the scum of the earth. Anything we do to them is all right.
http://www.blackcommentator.com/133/133_think_racism_military.html
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 11:21 AM
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24. Firstly, the earlier post you bring up is not mine
and secondly, I never sought to document African cannibalism, so save your "one down" type remarks for someone who cares. But as it happens, I would find it extraordinary if there was no cannibalism in Africa, seeing as there is documented cannibalism everywhere else in the world. So if anyone needs to be proving things, it is the person seemingly claiming that Africa - uniquely of all the places in the world - does not have a single cannibal living in it. If one was to document the Wests crimes against Africa the list would be extraordinarily long, yet I doubt much of it would be taken up by the stereotyping of Africans. We kill enough of them each day through our policies on medicines, arms sales, trade etc; that is the real issue, not some bit of tacky 'human interest' reporting.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 12:20 PM
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25. Still no list of African cannibals.
So if anyone needs to be proving things, it is the person seemingly claiming that Africa - uniquely of all the places in the world - does not have a single cannibal living in it.

All I want is a verifiable list of documented cases of Africans who have indulged in cannibalism.
And I ain't gonna get it -- for very obvious reasons.

As for the stereotyping,
that is how Western genocide against others always begins.
Give a dog a bad name and hang him.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:06 PM
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5. Wasn't that an Ed Wood movie?
"Dr. Congo's Atrocious Secret"
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 11:06 PM
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8. The Impact of the Conflict on Congolese Women
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 11:23 PM
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9. It is quite appalling how...
When an army or insurrectionists want to subjugate a people, they all too often turn to sexual crimes to do so. It seems that abusers and torturers gravitate towards the genitalia.

I once read a book on medieval torture devices. So many of them were designed with the genitalia in mind. So many of those were designed with women in mind.

I cannot imagine the mind of people like that, what goes on inside. I can't and I don't want to.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 11:59 PM
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10. When torture is mentioned, I think of American Idol
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 01:29 AM
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13. We have all seen documented proof
of the terrors of Abu Ghraib.

And the same people who brought us Abu Ghraib told us earlier of how Saddam's men ripped babies from incubators.

If any here have any ACTUAL PROOF of cannibalism in Africa,
then speak now.
Or forever hold your peace.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 02:22 AM
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15.  DR Congo's shameful sex secret
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3769469.stm

Thousands of impoverished Congolese who have been displaced by the conflict live in camps that are situated next to MONUC bases for protection. They fear attacks by armed militias that operate in the area and are afraid to leave the camps to return to their villages and farms. Last year, allegations emerged that UN peacekeepers were sexually exploiting Congolese living in the nearby camps. MONUC personnel are accused of engaging in prostitution, rape, molestation, and pedophilia.
Unfortunately, many women and children in the camps find themselves living alone or in situations where their families cannot provide for them. Some of them resorted to “survival sex” with MONUC personnel. The peacekeepers sexually exploited Congolese girls as young as 11 years of age in exchange for small amounts of money and scraps of food. Local boys were used as “pimps” who arranged the sexual misconduct, also in return for food or money.
http://www.globalsolutions.org/programs/peace_security/facts_reports/abuse_in_congo.html


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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 08:03 AM
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19. Cannibalism's been attested in quite a few countries; for some
reason, people keep rejecting the very idea when applied to oppressed minorities.

I guess it's the same kind of blindness that Rousseau indulged in, thinking that surely Nature is good and kind, and the only reason men could possibly be corrupt is because society's corrupted them from their naturally good state.

When I was in high school we focused on how peaceful Amazonian tribes were, and the Maya and Aztec were peaceful ethnicities that had peaceful civilizations; no African or First People's tribe engaged in cannibalism, and kuru was some sort of weird anomaly nobody liked discussing. First People's and African tribal distributions as of when the white man showed up were of long standing. Codswallop.

Kuru results from cannibalism. The Maya and Aztec were conquerors that sacrificed their captives and own citizens; the Amazonians tribes didn't engage in bloodless ritualistic warfare, but in actual killing. Some First People and African tribes, for reasons different from the New Guineans, engaged in cannibalism. The Bantu conquest of most of S. Africa virtually wiped out the Khoi-San.

Why people feel the need to idealize other cultures and sanitize their behavior and history is beyond me.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 10:30 AM
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22. The US is one big repository of cannibalism.
I am able to justify the statement
"THE US IS ONE BIG REPOSITORY OF CANNIBALISM."
Here is a BRIEF list of known cannibals.
Some non-US cannibals have been thrown in for free.

Nathaniel Bar-Jonah
Richard Trenton Chase
Andrei Chikatilo
Nicolas Claux
Jeffrey Dahmer
Karl Denke
Nikolai Dzhurmongaliev
Albert Fish
Kendall Francois
Robin Gecht
Ed Gein
Georg Grossman
Fritz Haarmann
Gary Heidnik
Edmund Kemper
Joachim Kroll
Henry Lee Lucas (the only Death-Row inmate EVER spared by Gov Dubya)
William "The Mutilator" MacDonald
Dennis Nilsen
Si Ouey
Alfred Packer
Daniel Rakowitz
George Russell
Issei Sagawa
Marc Sappington
Arthur Shawcross
Sweeney Todd
Henry Wallace
Wayne Williams

You mention Kuru and omit the fact that it has been noted, over and over again that the disease occurred in members of the same family. Naturally, since these non-white people come from some remote area, they were all bloody cannibals and that is how they acquired this PRION DISEASE which is VERY SIMILAR TO SCARPIE OR MAD COW OR CRUEZFELDT-JAKOB DISEASE.
Conclusion:
Anyone with Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease is a damn cannibal.
http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/cjd/detail_cjd.htm

You mention the Khoisan and the Bantu.
What the bloody hell are you taking about?
"The Bantu conquest of most of S. Africa virtually wiped out the Khoi-San."

First of all, you would not be able to identify a Bantu if they walked up to you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khoisan
and secondly, there you go again, painting a picture of murderous conquistadores.

Bantu and Khoisan refer to linguistic characteristics NOT RACIAL ones.
The Khoisan use clicking sounds in their languages and the Bantu use a similar word to indicate a human being.
Conclusion:
Cunning linguists ate each other.

Why people feel the need to vilify other cultures and defile their behavior and history is beyond me.
And I am still waiting for anyone here to produce a DOCUMENTED AND VERIFIABLE LIST of African cannibals.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 01:47 PM
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27. Khoe-San refers to a linguistic community, which is racially distinct
under most classifications from Sub-Saharan Africans. They're the remains of the original ethnic stock that inhabited most of southern Africa until a couple of thousand years ago or less (when they vanished largely depends when the Bantu expansion reached the area they were in--the extreme south 5-600 years ago, areas closer to the "Bantu homeland" up near Cameroon rather earlier. About the only traces of the San outside of the wasteland that became their only home (mostly because the invaders didn't want it or couldn't adapt to survive in it) are the clicks in some languages in E. Africa.

And Bantu does refer to a linguistic entity, one that is associated with a rather large number of tribes and ethnicities these days, but which doesn't mitigate the fact that they all have their origins in a single wave of ethnic expansion. Just as the Slavs spread out 400-1000 AD (a tad later, if you count the expansion into Siberia), so also the Bantu spread. Whenever you see a really large linguistic area, can bet that the tribes in that area didn't willingly and avidly give up their language and culture.

You're right. There have been cannibals in the US. And recently in Germany. But nobody disputes the practice is rooted culturally in some New Guinean tribes as a way of honoring their dead, that the Anasazi engaged in it (probably not routinely), and that the Aztecs did (ritualistically). Just because we find something reprehensible in our culture doesn't mean that all other cultures have to have the same judgment, and just because there are random traces of it preserved in the historical record of a culture doesn't mean it was culturally sanctioned. I don't see a difference between denying a practice occurred, whether culturally sanctioned or forbidden, when there's evidence saying it did, and claiming a practice did occur, when there's no evidence. I don't see why the melanin content of an ethnicities skin predisposes them to cannibalism or not. Do you?
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 12:53 AM
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28. With all due respect,
Edited on Tue Apr-12-05 01:00 AM by DulceDecorum
it rather appears to me that you have pulled much of your information from anthropology texts or US State Department publications.
Quite frankly, a Nazi-Ku-Klux-Klansman has hope of redemption, but never an anthropologist.
I say so because you use the term "sub-Saharan Africans."

This brochure covers all of Africa except the five nations bordering the Mediterranean. Sub-Saharan Africa includes 48 nations. Forty-two of these nations are on the mainland. In addition, four island nations in the southwest Indian Ocean (Madagascar, The Comoros, Mauritius, and Seychelles) and two island nations in the Atlantic Ocean (Cape Verde and Sao Tome and Principe) are considered part of Africa. For convenience, we will often use the word "Africa" to refer to the sub-Saharan region. For information on the five northern African nations of Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, Libya, and Egypt, see Tips for Travelers to the Middle East and North Africa .
http://travel.state.gov/travel/tips/brochures/brochures_1218.html

I do hope that you appreciate the difficulty I am experiencing in discussing that most pejorative epithet.
First of all, Africa is a continent.
ALL the people
found on the continent of Africa are, by definition,
AFRICAN.
This means that Muammar Qaddafi of Libya
is every bit as much an African
as Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe.
Remember that.

So why is there this strange disconnect?
I dunno.
But I do know that whenever the pyramids of Egypt are discussed,
they are NEVER referred to as being examples of AFRICAN architecture.
And yet, drag your Western-printed-official map out and tell me the name of the CONTINENT where Egypt is found.
I also know that the history of Egypt goes back a long long way and that the river Nile plays a major role in world history. In other words,
SUB-SAHARAN AFRICA has played and is playing a MAJOR ROLE in WORLD history.
Egypt,
Kush,
Axum,
Mali,
Songhai,
Kanem-Bornu,
Ghana,
Benin,
Mwenumatapa.
These are all names with which you should be familiar. And yet most of you are encountering them HERE for the first time.

The Sahara was not always desert.
The Sahel has not always been dry.
There are black people and "Arabs" on BOTH sides of the Sahel.
And therefore the term "sub-Saharan African" is a total crock.

The Blackamoors of the Alhambra in Granada, Spain, were AFRICANS.
In heraldry the Moor is shown as Sub-Saharan African.
This depiction goes far to explain
the worldwide connection between the upper classes who comprise the intelligentsia, and their enduring love affair with coffee,
which plant is native to the province of Kaffa, located in modern-day Ethiopia. Yeah, the Frasier-Crane Starbucks crowd is following a great AFRICAN tradition. Namely, sipping a "sub-Saharan" drink while exercising the noggin.
But yet, the Frasier-Crane Starbucks crowd are only posers. They do not know the African origin of their beverage nor that of the coffee house. And some of those the bastards STILL claim that Africans are cannibals.

"Just as the Slavs spread out 400-1000 AD (a tad later, if you count the expansion into Siberia), so also the Bantu spread. Whenever you see a really large linguistic area, can bet that the tribes in that area didn't willingly and avidly give up their language and culture."

OK.
Lets take a look at the origins of the term "BANTU."
Wilhelm Bleek was born in Berlin (Kingdom of Prussia). From 1845 to 48 he studied theology in Bonn and then went to Berlin to study Hebrew. He was a student of Karl Richard Lepsius. His doctoral thesis 1851 dealt with noun classes. 1853 he went to Africa to explore Khoisan- and Bantu languages. He wrote a grammar of isiZulu. In his major work Comparative Grammar he studies noun prefixes of the Bantu languages. He introduced a numbering system for the classes which is still used today. In age of 48 he died of an illness in a hospital of Cape Town (Cape Colony). After his death his daughter Dorothea together with his wife's sister Lucy Lloyd continued his work. His daughter died in 1948.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Bleek

In other words,
some foreign twit came up with a thesis
and the entire continent of Africa now has to play along with his grandiose notions.
Go take a look at the crap that slid out of Wilhelm Bleek
and see if YOU YOURSELF are willing to play along.

You can start by taking a good hard look at the word CHAI.
Then take another good hard look at this statement.
" Whenever you see a really large linguistic area, can bet that the tribes in that area didn't willingly and avidly give up their language and culture."

I mentioned earlier that anthropologists irk my soul.
Some 22 year old C-student named Charles Darwin, went on a voyage and scribbled a book entitled:
On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or The
Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle of Life.
Look at that second part again.
THE PRESERVATION OF FAVORED RACES IN THE STRUGGLE OF LIFE
Who the heck is the FAVORED RACE?

Well, take a look at the color of the skin of the majority of the anthropologists who write crap about Africans that gets repeated endlessly as if it were actual fact.
Take a look at the origins of Wilhelm Bleek,
aka GOD of the Bantu and the Khoisan.
Before Wilhelm Bleek published his theories, there was such thing as "Bantu."
Bleek's linguistic theory defined them, therefore He and He alone, is the God of the Bantu.
And the Khoisan.

You're right. There have been cannibals in the US. And recently in Germany. But nobody disputes the practice is rooted culturally in some New Guinean tribes as a way of honoring their dead, that the Anasazi engaged in it (probably not routinely), and that the Aztecs did (ritualistically).

I DISPUTE IT.
I DISPUTE THE NOTION THAT CANNIBALISM IS ROOTED CULTURALLY
IN ANY NEW GUINEAN TRIBE.

ONCE AGAIN,
I DEMAND THAT THOSE WHO MAKE SUCH ALLEGATIONS,
SUBSTANTIATE THEM.


How did this tasty tale originate?
The trail leads straight back to the US and one of those damned anthropologists.
http://outside.away.com/outside/features/200310/200310_mysteries_4.html
Michael Rockefeller gets off a boat, three miles out to sea, from Dutch New Guinea. The waters are known to be infested with crocodiles and sharks. He is never seen again.
Conclusion:
The natives ate him.
Boiled him up and just chomped on that bad boy.
Let that be a lesson to you.
If you go swimming in shark and crocodile infested waters, the people of Dutch New Guinea will eat you too. With hot sauce. And napkins.
Just like they ate Mick Leahy and Mick Dwyer way back in 1930.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6472817/

Through the years I have searched diligently for the origins of that damn cauldron into which WHOLE human beings are plunged. Alive.
It has always seemed strange to me, because just about everyone on the planet chops their meat up, or at least removes parts such as the gall bladder, before commencing with the culinary part of their festivities.

The closest I have come to accessing ANY record, concerning the boiling of WHOLE human beings, is from the Crusades.
Apparently Christian Crusaders from Europe would often die. Their comrades did not wish to abandon the body nor did they wish to bury it in a foreign land. So they would boil the corpse until the meat dropped off the bones.
Naturally, the Crusaders would force the locals to mind the pot while all this was going on, and being the polite fellows they were, the Crusaders were wont to speculate as to what the locals would do with the cooked missionary flesh that was left behind. Hence the origin of the widespread, and long-lived notion, that everyone outside Europe is a heathen and also a cannibal.

The Crusaders would take the clean skull and place it in a small casket and they would put the other crossed thigh bones on top of the other smaller bones within the same small casket. This box would then be taken back to Europe for Christian burial in hallowed ground.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/beyond/factsheets/makhist/makhist4_prog3a.shtml

The skull and crossbones is an important symbol of the Christian faith. It is seen on the warships, aircraft and submarines of the United States and the United Kingdom.
Oh, pardon me, I almost forgot Poland.
And speaking of Poland, the second, metal Papal casket is engraved with the insignia of the skull and crossbones.
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?p=559966#post559966
http://www.ctv.ca/generic/WebSpecials/pope/funeral.html
The skull and crossbones represented the missing head and limbs of Osiris and the constellation Orion. The Egyptian AFRICANS also used multiple coffins, and the outermost sarcophagus (flesh-eating stone) was usually engraved with heraldic symbols.

And so,
we come once again to the point where I ask if any here can justify the accusation that has been leveled against the good people of the continent of Africa.
Nobody?
Good.
Then shut up about the cannibals already, Hilary Andersson.
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