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DeepModem Mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-05 10:15 PM Original message |
NYT: Illegal Immigrants Are Bolstering Social Security With Billions |
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Sandpiper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-05 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
1. Don't tell that to the racists and xenophobes |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-05 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
2. I was telling someone that on Saturday and they didn't believe me. |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-05 12:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
27. Welcome to the club |
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hezekkia (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 05:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
80. can someone help me- |
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tyedyeto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-05 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
3. I've also heard of employers who..... |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-05 11:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Many employers don't know who the "illegals" are |
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tyedyeto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-05 11:09 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Thank you for educating me further.......... |
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fleabert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-05 11:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. I totally agree with you. |
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LiberallyInclined (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-05 02:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
42. i had an employer not pay into SS at all for the two years i worked there- |
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Sgent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 01:48 AM Response to Reply #42 |
62. If you have any paystubs or W-2s |
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Rose Siding (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-05 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
4. Breaker breaker, calling all "Minutemen" |
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valis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-05 10:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. wealth, no matter where it is |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-05 12:00 AM Response to Original message |
9. This doesn't justify illegal entry |
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DulceDecorum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-05 12:22 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Much of immigration law |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-05 01:40 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. The law WE followed was quite clear |
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DulceDecorum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-05 12:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. How can it be wrong |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-05 01:29 AM Response to Reply #26 |
32. You misunderstood me |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-05 02:30 AM Response to Reply #9 |
21. We also enjoy educating Juan's six children and paying his medical bills |
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hollowdweller (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-05 08:58 PM Response to Reply #21 |
51. Amen! There was a show that said NC was having trouble paying |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-05 04:51 AM Response to Reply #9 |
25. You're right, the ones who should be excoriated are the LEGISLATORS |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-05 02:09 AM Response to Reply #25 |
33. Absolutely! |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-05 02:29 AM Response to Reply #25 |
34. Guest worker would be WORSE |
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Doremus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-05 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
10. $8 to $12 an hour? How do we get some of those jobs in Ohio? |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-05 12:29 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. good points, good facts |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-05 12:50 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Wages are RELATIVE, Doremus... |
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Doremus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-05 01:41 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Quite true, just as our poorest native-born Ohioans would and do! |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-05 04:22 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. But you need to be aware: Supply/demand only works in NATURE! |
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Kathy in Cambridge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 10:27 PM Response to Reply #10 |
85. CIS is a RW source, therefore not valid |
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pacifictiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-05 12:07 AM Response to Original message |
11. I lived and worked |
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cire4 (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-05 12:13 AM Response to Original message |
12. Excellent article...bookmarked and nominated! |
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Robert Oak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-05 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
16. wtf, Bush signed a treaty w/ Mexico, they now DO get SS benefits |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-05 02:36 AM Response to Reply #16 |
35. Legal workers |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-05 12:59 AM Response to Original message |
17. EXCELLENT find - thank you!!! |
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Tim Binh (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-05 01:32 AM Response to Original message |
18. Here is the rest of the story |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-05 03:05 AM Response to Original message |
22. Thank you for the myth busting. n/t |
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GetTheRightVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-05 04:43 AM Response to Original message |
24. I have known many illegal aliens who are paid cash only so |
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just a girl (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-05 12:59 PM Response to Reply #24 |
38. Shall we even add to that the many illegals on welfare? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-05 05:24 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. How do illegals get welfare? |
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phasev (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 09:05 AM Response to Reply #38 |
65. please enlighten us |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-05 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
28. Please note he's making between $8.50 and $12.75/hr |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-05 12:42 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. McJobs vs. Undocumented Worker Jobs |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-05 12:49 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Undocumented wages |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-05 01:04 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Day Labor |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-05 02:46 AM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Some do, some don't |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-05 12:37 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Having My Trees Trimmed By Illegals Right Now No Doubt... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-05 01:18 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. That makes me vomit |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-05 01:44 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Oh Chill Out |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-05 03:42 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Why this country is fucked |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-05 06:31 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Oh, The Lecture Circuit.... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-05 07:37 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. I grew up in California |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-05 07:43 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. You don't want them exploited, but you'd take their jobs away? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-05 11:27 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. It's been going on forever |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 01:36 AM Response to Reply #53 |
61. You have a big heart. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 02:03 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Yeah I do |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 08:46 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. "Human trafficking"? You sound like a 1920s conservative. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 01:33 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. I AM!!! |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 02:02 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. It seems you don't appreciate that illegal immigrants |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 02:18 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. free market slavery |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 02:40 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. I'm not the one using 1920s conservative catchphrases. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 02:50 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Saipan has no immigration laws |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 02:57 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. "no immigration or labor laws": ie, totally irrelevant to discussion |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 03:38 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. They were in Saipan |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 03:47 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. I don't doubt racist democrats embraced the "human traffic" mantra in 20s. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 03:57 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Just bizarre arguments |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 04:12 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Did you really need to reply? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 04:56 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. We're saying the same thing, almost |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 05:13 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Correct me if I'm wrong: |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 05:26 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. So we don't agree |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-05 07:47 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Oh It's All So Clear Now |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-05 11:29 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. oh please |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-05 11:55 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. oh thank you |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 12:35 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. No |
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shantipriya (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-05 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
41. Illegals & Soc.Security |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-05 05:06 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Yeah, I totally don't get that one either, |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-05 05:29 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. It's really pretty easy |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 03:12 PM Response to Reply #46 |
73. to get a fake SS card.? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 11:06 PM Response to Reply #73 |
87. I don't know |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-05 11:40 PM Response to Reply #41 |
55. I have the same question. They aren't illegal if they have a SS#, so |
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hedgetrimmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 12:35 AM Response to Reply #41 |
60. You get about six months of use off an illegal SS card, then usually |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-05 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
52. please explain to me why THIS thread has only 51 posts since Monday whille |
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DulceDecorum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 12:20 AM Response to Original message |
57. 30,000 U.S. military troops not citizens |
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hedgetrimmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 12:23 AM Response to Original message |
58. Now I know why Bush likes Mexican illegals. Follow the blood money |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
72. Last year, Mr. Martínez paid about $2,000 toward Social Security and $450 |
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LdyGuique (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
78. Read some of the articles and material on Center for |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
82. Bullshit! |
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hezekkia (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
84. bump n/t |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-05 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
86. But they's gonna take our nyobs! |
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