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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:09 PM
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Bush Makes New Pitch for Social Security (threatens opponents)
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&e=6&u=/ap/20050330/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush

CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa - President Bush insisted Wednesday that public opinion is leaning his way on his proposal for a Social Security overhaul and hinted at political problems for lawmakers who oppose him.

Notwithstanding a host of recent polls showing waning public support for his proposal, Bush cited only the part of the surveys that shows the public is — as it long has been — aware of the program's long-term fiscal problems. He only implicitly acknowledged the lingering skittishness among congressional Republicans — and outright opposition from most Democrats — for his proposal to allow younger workers to use a part of their Social Security payroll taxes to set up private retirement accounts.

"To answer the question of the skeptics, we do have a serious problem," Bush said in an interview aired on WMT AM radio here and on WHO NewsRadio in Des Moines. Bush conducted the interview at a local diner, the Spring House Family Restaurant. "Now is the time to fix it," Bush said, "and I think there is a political price for not getting involved in the process. I think there is a political price for saying, `It's not a problem, I'm going to stay away from the table'."

<snip>

Other polls have shown that as Bush raises awareness of Social Security's problems, the support for his private account proposal is dropping. As a result, few in Congress — even among the president's party — are signing on to the idea.

...more...
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:11 PM
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1. I am really starting to believe that
this ship is sinking. Nothing he says or does has any hint of truth to it anymore. And I think more and more people are coming out of the fog and realizing this....

I hardly even get dirty looks anymore for my bumper sticker (calling bush a punk-ass chump) and I live in a very red area of this thankfully blue state...
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:16 PM
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2. Also, I have noticed that most media sources
persist in defying the Presidential Propaganda Message Machine in using the term "private accounts" rather than "personal accounts" as the Pimperor would like. Even on teevee the term "private" is used much more often than "personal" (at least from my view, annecdotally)...
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 03:43 PM
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20. Yeah, ole' Scotty should have learned that from Ari pushing that
insane term "Homicide Bombers" ... no matter how much FOX still uses such rhetoric, it hasn't caught on with the sheeple.

Thank goodness there's some things you just can't sell. :P

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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:25 PM
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37. Nice picture of King George!
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kittykitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 01:06 AM
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60. also an increased number of callers to C-Span dump on him
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:21 PM
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7. Of course they need to steal SS..........
they painted themselves into a corner. The big taxcuts that they passed 4 years ago did not stimulate the economy and it's becoming more and more of a fiscal burden that they can't cover. Raising taxes will destroy their base, as that's about the only thing they can point to as a "plus". So they need our SS $ to cook the budget numbers. They are indeed getting desperate and their rhetoric is crossing the threshold from "just an idea to save SS" to political threats that not fixing it will be cause for the legislator's to be run out of Washington. That's pure bluster, of course, and I think the longer it goes on, the less chance that anything will happen....Republicans running for re-election/election in 2006 will not want to run on privitizing SS, so I see this as a doomed effort....and then Bush will have to confront the growing deficit problems with the only option left...raising taxes. Either way, the Republicans are going to be hurting when the 2006 mid-terms roll around...
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:34 PM
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42. I think you're giving them too much credit, Old And In The Way
The big taxcuts that they passed 4 years ago did not stimulate the economy and it's becoming more and more of a fiscal burden that they can't cover.
You mean they EXPECTED those tax cuts to stimulate the economy? Especially with a war going on? Well, they've sure had me fooled--I could have sworn that all the Bush empire wanted to do was sit their greedy asses on that money!

rocknation
:wow:
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:53 AM
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59. FUCK THEM.......No quarter drawn
They are fucking criminals who are using the system to make us weaker then we are....OK?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 01:18 AM
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95. Don't take my comments the wrong way....
I was quite pissed, in a drunken sorta way, when I wrote that odd comment.

Sorry. :hi:
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:19 PM
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35. Sinking? The Titanic orchestra starting playing when AARP mobilized
against this "scheme". Only question now is how many pubbie congressman and senators will make it into one of the lifeboats.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #35
43. So true...
although I was (optimistically) referring to the whole bushco** ship, not just the Social Security issue.

We'll see!
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:46 PM
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47. You are my hero for displaying that bumper sticker!!
Megan,

I think it's great that you sport that sticker on your car.

I really appreciate that you do this!

Mine says "Mainstreet Moms Oppose Bush", and that's about as radical as I'm willing to go right now.

Kudos to you, Megan.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:56 PM
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50. Wow, thanks!
I just hit a point last fall, pre-election, that I was so pissed about everything. I had a rule that I wouldn't put stickers on my car but I couldn't take it anymore. I work in a very liberal town and I recently moved out to the boonies. There were so many big B/C signs, and all the pick-up trucks with their W stickers...Hero is a bit of an exaggeration (although I am flattered at the thought :blush: ) but I was pretty nervous about it at first.

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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:18 PM
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3. amazing......
he acts like he lives in a different universe...or at least an alternative reality.....

he is so far "off the wall" it's almost painful to watch...

but the little voice in my head keeps saying..."but what if he gets away with it?"
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:30 PM
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39. It's the voices in his head.
They come in on a different channel that the rest of us don't have access to. This man is so divorced from reality, but that should be no surprise. He never hears a dissenting voice. With all of his town hall meetings only open to the faithful, the lack of tough questions at the few press conferences that he deigns to hold and with all the toadies that he has surrounded himself with, what do you expect?

Have you checked his approval ratings lately? How many people who voted for him are now regretting that decision?
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 01:40 AM
Response to Reply #39
61. Welcome to DU, Granny!
:toast: Glad to have ya! :hi:
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 01:57 AM
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62. Great way of putting it, Arkansas Granny...
Welcome to DU. By the way, I had a granny from Arkansas; my father and all four of his brothers were all born there.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:19 PM
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4. "bush wants to kick seniors off Social Security"
proclaim to all and repeat often

sounds like a dirty repuke tactic, doesn't it?

:evilgrin:
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:19 PM
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5. glad to see this one is on yahoo
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:19 PM
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6. Go ahead chimp, talk all you want
The more he talks, the less people believe this crap. chimp has lost all credibility after the Iraq WMD scare.
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Mrs_Beastman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:24 PM
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8. What "suggestions" would chimp accept???
raise taxes?...that's already been shot down
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:59 PM
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9. HE MUST BE DAMNED DESPERATE IF HE IS THREATENING, BECAUSE AFTER ALL IT IS
HIS WAY OR THE GULAG WAY...THAT IS THE KIND OF DEMOCRACY THE BUSH BOY ATTESTS TO.
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grumpy old fart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 03:08 PM
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10. At what point does *'s head blow up? * cannot take NO for an answer....
the stubborn moron is just gonna keep beating his head against this wall till his head cracks open and his pea brain rolls out...lord willing...
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 03:20 PM
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12. Maybe he'll hold his breath till he passes out.
Throw a temper tantrum till momma Babs has to be brought in to slap him silly.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 03:16 PM
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11. It's looking more and more each day like he's not going to get his way.
From the article.
"Other polls have shown that as Bush raises awareness of Social Security's problems, the support for his private account proposal is dropping."

I would love to be a fly on the wall when he hears how low the opinion of his 'reform' has dropped in the most recent polls. :)
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 03:41 PM
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19. This is not strange: their proposal does not address the issue
I saw Man-on-Dog Santorum on one of his PA man-on-dog and pony (ahem) shows for this lemon. Traditional proposal form is pretty simple: show the problem, offer solution that addresses problem. Ta da. Santorum couldn't even get this right. he built up a number of supposedly intractable problems, then offered the privatization solution as a fix, but it was clear to everybody in the room after a few questions that the fix didn't address elements of the problem, and even worsened others (reduction in guaranteed benefits, solubility of the SS trust fund). Even the obvious conservatives in the room were looking around, clearly embarrassed by the disjunction. It was a laughable performance. Bush explanations, as I've seen them, are even worse, relying not even on the hacky graphs and yuks that Santorum used as a crutch.

A bizarre and half-assed effort to sell a defective and dangerous product usually meets the same results.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:03 PM
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25. Wow, that's never made a difference before.
No wonder Bush is a little suprised. I can see the meeting:

Aide: Uh, Mr. President, it is going badly because your solution doesn't have anything to do with the funding problem. In fact it makes the problem worse.

Chimp: So?

Aide: And everyone knows it.

Chimp: And?

Aide: Have a good trip, sir. Shall I send in Mr. Rove?

Seriously, I think Bush though SS was like invading Iraq or jailing Padilla, where any old line of bullshit would be bought. But people know their retirements and their taxes and their DOMESTIC programs better than Bush, and he can't claim there is secret intel that justifies what he is doing.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:40 PM
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45. And the more they've talked about it the clearer it's become
That they are clueless. I hope they just keep on plugging away. :)
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 03:27 PM
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13. Opponents haven't said it's not a problem...
They DO think he's fulla crap, though. That crosses party lines.
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Serial Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 03:30 PM
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14. CNN story pretty telling of his threat also ...
http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/03/30/bush.socialsecurity.ap/index.html

CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa (AP) -- President Bush suggested Wednesday that lawmakers who oppose his proposal for a Social Security overhaul could face political problems as a result.

<snip>

"I believe there will be a bad political consequence for people who are unwilling to sit down and talk about the issue," Bush said in New Mexico last week.

<snip>

There and in other stops in the West, Bush also had Sen. John McCain join him. The well-regarded Arizona Republican played the heavy for the president, sharply accusing Democrats of being obstructionist and shortsighted.

Bush did not repeat his hint of a political threat at a town hall meeting here after the interview.



At least they are beginning to tell it like it is - a threat!
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:40 PM
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44. he has laways engaged in the politics of personal destruction to
have his way.

This is just one more facet of the Culture of Opportunism of W and the neocons. Threatening the livelyhood of social security, its recipients, the politicians who won't support him, the veterans whose benefits he cuts, the families of servicemen who loose their homes, jobs and lives, the children thrown off healthcare, while the wealthy reap thousands in $$tax bernefits, Wall street makes money, Big Oil makes money, logging makes money, corporations make more $$. By engaging in the Culture of Opportunism Bush and his neocon band of brothers enrich themselves and destroy this country and its people.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #44
94. He's bullly. First and foremost, he's a bully.
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 05:01 PM
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51. OOH! Big Bad Georgie-Porgie gonna sic the winged monkeys on us
Edited on Wed Mar-30-05 05:01 PM by chomskysright
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 03:31 PM
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15.  little dictator threatens again
SOP for this regime.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 03:35 PM
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16. First the cajoling, then the begging, then the whining, then the threats
Anyone familiar with the behavior pattern of a three-year old can guess their next rhetorical move: the temper tantrum. I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it!

They had a similar story (down to the exact threat) about two weeks ago. The fact that the press feels the need to repeat it leads me to believe that the first iteration had zero effect. By repeating the 'political price" often, Bush and his press collaborators hope to "make it so." Fight their bullshit with every ounce of your strength! Courage, people. Courage.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 03:37 PM
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17. Uh uh, threats will get you NOWHERE
but keep talking, it sure makes you look real good.:evilfrown:
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DFWJock Donating Member (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 03:41 PM
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18. "...public opinion is leaning his way "
Oh, and this just in...

flowers being thrown at troops
tax cuts creating 6 million jobs
humble foreign policy in place....
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trixie Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 03:46 PM
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21. Even the news casts have changed
Now all I hear in the Detroit area is, "a portion will be able to be invested". A Bushite I work with said, "a portion?" God people are soooooo stupid. :shrug:
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 03:49 PM
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22. you've got to wonder why they keep at it?????????????
they got their war in Iraq against massive protests, damn the polls we will change social security!!!!

You've really got to wonder, are they using this to distract us while they pass bile like the bancruptcy bill and drilling in ANWR, continue to weaken environmental deregulation, etc.

Rove is too coniving not to change course or figure out a way to stop the bleeding. Can't help but think that have something far more sinister in store and/or they have enough advance data on issues like peak oil sending energy prices sky rocketing that will snap the economy. Then all of a sudden we'll hear, well we have to change social security before the country goes bancrupt and everybody loses thier job. The ideas are already in the pipeline and the electorate panicy that they'll lose their job next go along with "personalization". It's '92 in reverse, people were angry and scared so they turned out an incumbent. Nowadays, the government preys on our anger and fear and passes draconian legislation.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 03:58 PM
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23. I think it's simpler.
One, he really wants to put a stop to social security. Probably least important

Two, he promised sixty days of campaigning for it and he can't call it off without admitting defeat.

Three, he has to get SOME change to SS or it will be obvious he is defeated.

Right now, he has a bear by the tail for SS.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. not enough people with their heads out of the fog yet--
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 05:03 PM
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52. 4: he's got Narcissitic Personality Disorder & he cannot quit or give in..
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 05:48 PM
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54. But you would think that
he would do something that fed his massive selfrighteous ego better than SS. I mean, as long as you are setting up carefully controlled crowds, why botehr with something that sucks?

Probably because he would be caught giving in.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:37 PM
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92. Because of the money.
The lovely, lovely money that *'s real constituency stands to make. If there's any way to privatize Social Security, they'll find it. Until then, or until they give up in disgust, * has only to continue to pretend that everything's fine.

And that's the only job he's ever been good at.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:01 PM
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24. So, your threat is . . . well, what President Lame Duck?
Gee, I can't imagine why the Republicans aren't just lining up around the block to fall on their swords for Chimpy and his hare-brained non-scheme, just because Stupidhead will never stand for election again.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 05:04 PM
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53. how bout this one?
fix the machines wherever these "nonconformists" hold office. he did say that there would be "political fallout" if they can't strongarm their folks, so my bet goes with this.
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Brooklyn Michael Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:05 PM
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26. Bush has a point...
Although he's completely clueless as to what it is, or how he got it....

"Bush cited only the part of the surveys that shows the public is — as it long has been — aware of the program's long-term fiscal problems."

I don't think it's enough anymore to just say "The Democrats HAVE a plan - it's called Social Security". While the program isn't hurting yet, and while Bush's dire warnings are so much smoke and mirrors, SS will eventually take in less than it pays out. Granted, not for another couple of decades, but that doesn't matter. Bush has brought the subject up, and even if you polled those people who are adamantly against private accounts, I'm betting almost all of them would say that the program could use some tweaking....

If the Democrats want to put this issue to bed, I mean REALLY put the coup de grace on it and cripple the GOP at the same time, instead of just rallying people to "Tell the gov't to keep their hands off SS!", they need to start touting a simple, effective way to shore up the (eventual) shortfall in SS funds. It may be as simple as raising the payroll cap by 1 or 2 percent. I just haven't heard Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, or even dear ol' Howard making that point when they talk about how bad the President's plan is, how much people are against private accounts, etc.

Until Dems come up with a "perceived" solution to this "perceived" problem, Bush will continue to get away with saying crap like this....
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #26
29. yes, i too would like to see the Dems put forth a plan for solvency
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:13 PM
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30. Um...nope. Homey don't play dat. That's classic Rovespeak.
They've done this before; bush doesn't have a plan, Bush is trying to sucker dems into coming up with a plan, so he can torpedo it, then turn around and relabel it as his plan.

I say let him flounder about like a fish out of water. the fact is, he has no plan except to open the SS coffers to his wall street buddies, and to bankrupt SS.

That's the whole plan. No details yet.....presidentin is hard werk!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:17 PM
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33. the Dems would have to convince us it is plan for solvency--NOT like
Bushs--which he admits does not fix the long term solverny problems.
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Lab2112 Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:30 PM
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40. RE: Um...nope. Homey don't play dat. That's classic Rovespeak.
They've done this before; bush doesn't have a plan, Bush is trying to sucker dems into coming up with a plan, so he can torpedo it, then turn around and relabel it as his plan.


A fair point. Bush does have a habit of being against X, then when it's expedient to do so, adopting X as his own original plan while claiming the opposition only had Y in mind.

LAB

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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:41 PM
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46. Well said.
Bush is the one who wants this massive reform. His party has a majority in the Senate and the House. Seems only fair that he should come up with the plan. I think the Dems are handling this one right. Just wait him out. It's a problem that will have to be addressed eventually, but it's not a crisis yet. Let him stew in his own juices for a while.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #30
55. Bush's proposal is that Democrats propose tax hikes or benefit cuts.
Why go out on that limb to have Bush saw it off like the prick he is?

Let the republicans come up with ONE proposal, just one, that addresses solvency. Then we'll talk. Until then, it's all in bad faith and bullshit.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:16 PM
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32. First, we need to see Bush's "Plan"
We've heard a bunch in speeches, but there's no "official" document showing exactly what he wants to do.

Until then: "We have a plan--it's called Social Security" will work just fine.

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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #26
34. Continue to get his way?
But he ain't getting his way. Rejection of his idea is tending towards universal.
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Sunny_Sunshine Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:26 PM
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38. The problem is not SS, the problem is the deficit
So the solution is to roll back all the tax cuts, raise the cap on SS and hire more IRS workers to collect more taxes owed. Not sure what to do about the bungled up mess in Iraq that is costing so much, but those costs need to be contained also.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:10 PM
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28. On the other hand...my fear is
he will do an end run around congress and attempt to change via executive order.

I realize that's not kosher, legal or even rational, but I don't think that will stop him.

Mark my words: March 30, 2005, Lerkfish says Bush will defy congress and implement private accounts anyway.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:15 PM
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31. "Bush Chides Lawmakers Over Social Security" headline on yahoo now


Bush Chides Lawmakers Over Social Security

1 hour, 54 minutes ago

Add to My Yahoo!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:19 PM
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36. there was an art. on DU this am about Bush possibly using an executive
order if all else fails.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:31 PM
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41. This is the same kind of BS his father used
when he was trying to get re-elected. I can't remember who it was that asked what he'd do about the problems of unemployment and homelessness etc...Poppy, standing next to Mrs. RayGun, replied, "What problems?" and exchanged incredulous glances with her, as they looked around trying to find problems in the near vicinity.

Kind of reminds me of this guy:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:53 PM
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48. George, you and the Investment houses you're whoring for
have LOST. Take a hike.



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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:55 PM
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49. I HOPE we all REMEMBER
what this SOB and the Politicians who support him have DONE, and HOW LONG it takes to get people like this OUT of Office. There are A LOT of repairs to fix and a HUGE MESS to clean up. I ONLY HOPE THAT WE REMEMBER!
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 06:00 PM
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56. Me thinks the "political price" Little Boots is speaking of may actually
constitute ALL legislators who don't distance themselves from
his disastrous policies. The Bush name and everything and everyone
attached to it will be ruined..when the Truth comes out,and the Kool-Aid wears off.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 07:04 PM
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57. You gotta wonder who he's threatening? Or is that Blackmailing? nt
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 07:13 PM
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58. Has Bush bothered to explain how his plan will "fix it"?
It seems to me that adding 2-3 trillion dollars to the debt will only accelerate the problem of solvency.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:00 PM
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63. kick to combine
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Khaotic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:01 PM
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64. Bush tries to reassure seniors
Quad-City Times, March 31, 2005
Bush tries to reassure seniors
By Ed Tibbetts

CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa — Even as President Bush said here Wednesday that a political price must be paid for ignoring Social Security’s long-term financial challenges, a key player on the issue said the outlook for a reform package is improving.

<SNIP>

His pledge came the same day AARP, the country’s largest senior citizen advocacy organization, released a nationwide poll of its members saying that 59 percent oppose privately owned investment accounts, the centerpiece of Bush’s plan.

Full Article: http://www.qctimes.com/internal.php?story_id=1048303&t=Iowa+%2F+Illinois&c=24,1048303

Photo that ran on the front page of the Quad-City Times w/ the article.



The photo can also be found at:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050330/480/iasa10503301938

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I grew up in Missouri and moved to Iowa 5 years ago. I can now say that Iowa does not stand for Idiots Out Walking Around, with this published photo of a hardcore Iowa Hawkeye fan conversing with our commander and chief ... next to Shrub Iowans look like Einstein.
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:01 PM
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65. But what * doesn't realize is ......
there many others besides seniors involved in this issue.

I have paid into the SS coffers for over 35 years but since I won't be 55 (the age he is guaranteeing those who would still receive benefits) until the summer of 2007, what are those like me supposed to think of his plan? What about those in their 30's and 40's?

I personally oppose it 100%.
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Khaotic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:01 PM
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66. Come Up With a Better Caption
The more I look at this photo, it begs for a better caption.

Maybe something like ...

Steve West of Hiawatha, Iowa, politely asks President Bush if he would like to borrow some of his medication. Later West assisted Secret Service agents with helping the President back to his chair while the 43rd President mumbled, passed gas, and consumed a pork rind that he had dug out of his pocket.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:01 PM
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69. True! LOL, funny.
I looked at the photo of Bush. Did a double-take, had to go back up and look at him again.

Bush looks like a South American parrot with a big beak. You know, the kind that opens its beak and cracks open a sunflower seed. You watch, in amazement, as it uses its weird dry tongue to pry open the nut and eat it.

Gawd, what an ugly man.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:36 PM
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91. Hahahahahahahahahaha! Great image!!
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:01 PM
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67. Reassuring seniors: I'm not screwing you
Just your kids! What's the big schmeal?
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:01 PM
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70. Yeah, he's pandering to people's selfishness
too bad it just might work.

:eyes:
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:01 PM
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68. Yet another bizarre expression caught by the cameras
I am in continual amazement at just how bozo-like this man is, any minute of any day. What's with the jaw jutting out?
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:01 PM
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73. It's a look he saved for Iowans.
Remember this one from last summer?

Someone here captioned it "Bush confused by Iowa banana"



The jutting jaw is his "fool me once... won't get fooled again" face.

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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:39 PM
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93. Is that when he took a bite out of the raw ear of corn?
I mean, you couldn't make a shithead like this up. Nobody would believe it.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:01 PM
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71. Seniors to Bush : Piss Off n/t
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:01 PM
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72. Words of advice...
"Dude... I'm wearing a funny hat, thick bifocals, a cheap watch, and a dirty t-shirt, and I have a scraggly beard, but I STILL look better than you. Dude? DUDE!!"

:crazy:
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:01 PM
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74. Bush Undeterred By Resistance To Plan
(AP) 3/31

CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa - The more President Bush stumps for restructuring Social Security, the less popular his own plan seems to become. His poll ratings are dropping, too, but Bush says he is not deterred.

"I'm going to be stubborn. And we're going to keep working on this," Bush told a supportive audience Weds at a community college here.

Not quite five months after a re-election victory that he claimed earned him political capital to spend, Bush's approval ratings are languishing in the mid-40 percent range and his Social Security plan for individual investment accounts seems to be winning few friends, either in Congress or among the general public.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=703&e=1&u=/ap/20050331/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_road_show
___________________________________________________________________________________

There is always the possibility that within the cocoon nobody dares tell the Little President just how politically destructive his SSI Jihad has become. But then again, he isn't a Republican in Congress and has no more campaigns in his future.

You keep being stubborn, George. 2006 is just around the corner.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:01 PM
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75. Well facts and lack of public support have never stopped him before
Why expect anything different now?
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:01 PM
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76. "My way or the Highway",
"I don't care what you think". Who is surprised?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:01 PM
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77. heh heh - he said undie turd
credit.... uh, underpants? with that one.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:01 PM
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78. What part of 'will of the people' doesn't he quite comprehend ??
Isn't it supposed to be that the Prez/Congress etc follows the best interests & ideas FROM the people, not pushes their own agenda AT the people ???

Yeah, yeah ... I know it's the GOP we're dealing with, but ... really. Don't any of these halfwits have some sort of clue ? :eyes:
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:01 PM
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85. Well see, there's the problem (in your perception)
Repukes really don't give a SHIT about what the American people want.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:01 PM
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79. Yeah, you work hard and go take a rest at your ranch then when you get
tired you fucking piece of shit.
:argh:
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Wright Patman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:01 PM
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80. SSRI dosage needs adjustment
*'s Social Security Reuptake Inhibitor medication is insufficient at current levels so that's why he keeps "taking up" this topic even though it's an off-the-charts, crashing-through-the-floor loser.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:01 PM
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81. Hahahahaha! "support for individual investment accounts is lower now
Edited on Thu Mar-31-05 09:50 AM by DemItAllAnyway
than when he proposed them in his State of the Union address two months ago."

The people get to see him up close and realize that it's really true, he is an idiot.

BTW, I like your name for him--"the Little President".
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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:01 PM
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82. Oh yeah!!!
Definitely keep the stubborn streak going and let's see how many people vote against the repugs in '06 to send * a message!
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:01 PM
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83. there should be a days left on the DU home page
a countdown
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Bob3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:01 PM
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84. * undeterred by reality
Edited on Thu Mar-31-05 10:30 AM by Bob3
either in the US or in Iraq or rest of the planet.

Do you wonder maybe he isn't being told that his plan is tanking? I've read he gets very upset and angry when people bring him bad news so maybe his handlers aren't telling him anything he doesn't want to hear. "Yeah boss you're doing great, can't you see the crowds they all love you"

Heck they've done that to absolutists since the dawn of time. Why should * be treated any different?
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:01 PM
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86. You beat me to it!
:toast:
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:01 PM
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87. Fuck him. A tree that's too proud to bend in the wind. . .breaks.
:evilfrown:
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:01 PM
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88. Corporate America hired him to do a job.
His job is to make sure they have absolute power.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:01 PM
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89. "When one person calls you a jackass, ignore him.
When ten people call you a jackass, buy yourself a saddle."

Of course, President Mightymouse is too big of a jackass to understand that.

:headbang:
rocknation
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:09 PM
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90. Yeah, wave that tiny peener of yours around, Chimpy.
I'm sure everyone on Capital Hill is reallll scared of this threat.
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