New U.S. Threats against Venezuela Unveiled in Miami

[seemslikeadream]

Caracas, Mar 15 (Prensa Latina) New U.S. threats to use force to choke the Bolivarian process and assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez triggered new protests in Venezuela.

The ex CIA agent, Félix Rodríguez, speaking to a television channel in Miami, Florida, confirmed that Washington would take economic and military actions against Venezuela, including assassination.

Rodríguez said that he expected to participate in a CIA command to end with the life of the Venezuelan president. US military forces could launch a pre-emptive air strike to assassinate Chávez, he indicated.

...

Rodríguez was personally involved in the assassination of Ernesto Ché Guevara at a small school in the Bolivian mountains, after the guerrilla fighter had been wounded and captured in battle.

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http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID=%7B13C24DF2-A125-4DD9-9935-CBEDF72AFF39%7D&language=EN

[leesa]

1. How nice of us. Can we put Bush in jail yet?

[E-Z-B]

2. What's sad is that half of America will believe in 6 mos.

that Chavez is evil, evil, evil, and that Venezuela needs "liberated" by America to free the country from their "dictator". Leave it to Faux News to lead the way!

[rodeodance]

3. judging by many newspapers accounts, Chevez is already the 'bad'

guy--. condi has made very many negitive comments about him.

[rodeodance]

5. link does not work

[seemslikeadream]

9. It's working now n/t

[pinerow]

4. link not functioning

nt

[seemslikeadream]

6. Here's the google link

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=New+U.S.+Threats+against+Venezuela+Unveiled+in+Miami&btnG=Search+News

[rodeodance]

7. Venezuela upset about this information being broadcasted

.......Venezuela´s Communication and Information Minister Andrés Izarra denounced the shameless public announcement of plans to kill Chavez. Such public behavior is tolerated by the US government without taking any measures to stop it, he denounced.

It is the second time the same TV show is used to spread news over an elaborate plan of the White House to attack Venezuela and its leaders.

Despite the flimsy denial by representatives of the Bush Administration, there are no restrictions in the US to stop statements of this nature, while statements of protest by Caracas are never taken into account.

[On the Road]

8. If Chavez is Assassinated

the Bolivarian movement will survive, but it will be a catastrophe for the country. Society will be fractured and radicalized. Chavez has surrounded himself with loyalists (for obvious reasons) who are not of his caliber and would be likely to establish a more strongly authoritarian leftist government. Venezuela could end up like a Columbia in reverse.

[frictionlessO]

10. well.... what an absolutely stupid and fucked up thing to say.

Isn't assassination of heads of state illegal???

[Emillereid]

61. We brazenly did our best to assassinate the Iraqi leadership with

cruise missiles. We're the bully of the world -- we can do what we want! Who is going to stop us!

[info being]

11. I like the wording of your title. Well done.

[CHIMO]

12. It's Called Terrorism

Except in bushland.

[Say_What]

13. Félix Rodríguez, Che's murderer

Says now that he expects to participate in a CIA command to kill Chavez or that US military forces could launch a pre-emptive air strike to assassinate Chávez. No doubt he spewed this venom on Spanish language tv--probably Old Bush pal Gustavo Cisneros' Univison.



Old Bush and Felix chillin' in the WH. :puke:

[Moderator]

14. kick to combine

[chlamor]

15. Former CIA Agent Affirms Chavez Assassination Plan

Former CIA Agent Affirms Possibility of Chavez’s Assassination in Venezuela

Caracas, Venezuela—In an interview on Miami’s Spanish-language channel 22, the former CIA agent Felix Rodriguez said that the U.S. government has plans to “bring about a change in Venezuela.” When pressed as to what type of plans these might be, Rodriguez responded that the Bush administration “could do it with a military strike, with a plane.”

The former CIA agent’s comments were made last week, on Thursday, during the talk show of a well-known supporter of the anti-Castro movement, Maria Elvira Salazar. Rodriguez affirmed during the program, “According to information I have about what is happening in Venezuela, it is possible that at some moment they will see itself obliged, for national security reasons and because of problems they have in Colombia, to implement a series of measures that will bring about a change in Venezuela.”

The moderator, not satisfied with his vague answer, asked Rodriguez what kind of measures these might be and he responded, “They could be economic measures and at some point they could be military measures.” He then added, “If at some point they are going to do it, they will do it openly.” As an example, Rodriguez gave the Reagan administration’s strike against Khadafi, whose residence was bombed and whose adoptive daughter was killed in the process.

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The Financial Times quoted Roger Pardo-Maurer, deputy assistant secretary for western hemisphere affairs, as saying that, "Chavez is a problem because he is clearly using his oil money and influence to introduce his conflictive style into the politics of other countries."
Roger Pardo-Mauro became known during the Reagan administration's Iran-Contra scandal, when he was a spokesperson for the Nicaraguan Contras. He is also said to have met with Venezuela's top general, Lucas Rincon Romero, in the weeks prior to the April 2002 coup.

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=1549

[HereSince1628]

16. The Bush Admin are using Clancey novels as field manuals, right?

And I thought the end of the cold war would wreck the market for all those spy/thriller/military novels.

[Clark2008]

28. Then why didn't Condi know about using planes as weapons?

It's been in Clancey novels.

:shrug:

[tinanator]

30. its been in a lot of novels

one I read the week before the 9-11-01 operation was allowed to proceed. Creeped me out severely.

[purji]

17. who does this sound like?

"he is clearly using his oil money and influence to introduce his conflictive style into the politics of other countries." :eyes:

[Nickster]

19. Spreading Irony Throughout the world. God Bless America:-)

[annabanana]

18. "to introduce his conflictive style

into the politics of other countries"

Oh, you mean Democracy? Well Hell! We can't let him get away with that now, can we?

[Mika]

20. Just who believes murder and liar Felix Rodriguez?

Just as likely BushCrimeNazis Inc. will snuff him (Miami style: car bomb) and blame it on Chavez or Castro.

[Judi Lynn]

38. Good one, Mika. I'd almost LOVE to see it.

It'd be a shame to see a terrorist who's been a scourge to humanity since the 1960's or before get vaporized.

He's one of the dirtiest characters we're likely to see, other than the OTHER dirty Republican terrorists.

[htuttle]

21. What to believe from Felix Rodriguez

No way is he going to say something the Bush mob doesn't like.

He said this on Miami TV -- that might be significant. I assume he would make the exact same statement about Castro on the same TV station for the same effect (since the right wing Venezuelans in Miami are now allied with the RW Cubans).

This could be a truthful statement from Rodriguez, or one meant for effect. Or both, actually. I know that he wouldn't say this unless the Bush crime family wanted him to.

None of this has anything to do with whether the Bush family is ACTUALLY trying to assassinate Chavez (and I'm sure they'd like to). Whatever Rodriguez's goal here is, one of the components is surely to obfuscate the real situation.

[chlamor]

22. Maybe Felix Has Changed His Ways and Wants to Help Venezuelans

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

And now back to our sponsor

[Say_What]

26. He's not the only one to suggest assassinating Chavez on

Gusano Maria Elvira Salazar's program. She's stirring up the shit for VenGusanos and Miami Gusano's alike--probably for the upcoming OAS meeting in South Florida in June. She's very fond of terrorists such as Luis Posada Carrile and Pinochet--a real POS.

<clips>

..Venezuelan actor and anti-Chavez activist Orlando Urdaneta, interviewed in October on a Miami television station, urged that efficient commandos be hired to assassinate Chavez and his associates in Venezuela. The interviewer, Maria Elvira Salazar, suggested to Urdaneta that the commandos would ideally be Israeli; Urdaneta agreed. On Nov. 25, the Israeli embassy denied any connection with sectors trying to destabilize the Venezuelan government, and denied that any Israelis were involved with the Anderson assassination. (EFE, Nov. 29, Newsday, Nov. 20)

http://www.ww4report.com/andes/venezuela/miami

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<clips>

...The statements made by the rebel military officers confirm reports that a series of alleged conversations have taken place between representatives of the opposition coalition Democratic Coordinator and upper-class organizations in Venezuela with members of the U.S. government. These meetings appear to have achieved interventionist declarations against Venezuela, such as those made by Condoleezza Rice, the Cuban-Americans Roger Noriega and Otto Reich, and US State Department spokesman Adam Ereli.

The Maria Elvira Confronta program is one of the most watched shows by the Hispanic population in Southern Florida. The program has interviewed individuals such as former Chilean Dictator Augusto Pinochet, who, despite clear and convincing evidence of his genocidal acts, described himself as “angel who acted out of love for his country,” during his interview.

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=1169

[Judi Lynn]

39. Bush people claim publically the admin. knew nothing about the coup

Your first source informs the CIA has been found to be aware, through actual documents released:

Newly declassified intelligence documents have confirmed that the CIA was aware that dissident military officers and opposition figures in Venezuela were planning a coup against Chavez in 2002. In a senior intelligence executive brief dated April 6 of that year, the CIA said that "disgruntled senior officers and a group of radical junior officers are stepping up efforts to organize a coup against President Chavez, possibly as early as this month." The documents were obtained through a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request filed by Jeremy Bigwood, a freelance investigative reporter in Washington. In interviews with the New York Times and other news organizations in the days after the April 12 coup, administration officials vigorously denied having had advance knowledge of plans to oust Chavez, who regained power on April 14. (NYT,. Dec. 3)
(snip/...)

http://www.ww4report.com/andes/venezuela/miami

I'm certain _Bush really WANTS everyone to know his people were invovled, but doesn't want to accept the legal responsibility. Are we EVER going to get a Democrat in the White House again, or are we really headed for the dumper? My God!

Thanks for sharing those links. All the garbage from right-wing Latin America ALWAYS lands in Miami. They try to get support from our nazis to keep them safe while they try to go home to kidnap their own countries, but it looks like resisitance is growing, anyway.

[David__77]

23. Venezuela should be prepared for aggression from inside or outside.

They need to be ready to mobilize the people, need progressive military leadership and need arms in the hands of the broad numbers of the people. They need strategic alliances with neighbors and should invite friends from other countries to help them out.

[Say_What]

24. And Chavez is stepping up his security...

probably with good cause. Venezuelan intelligence is far superior to those MORONS in the USSA.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1315931&mesg_id=1315931


Supporter of Venezuela's president Hugo Chavez hold banners with slogans in defense of the Venezuela sovereignty during an anti-U.S. march in Caracas, Venezuela, Saturday, March 12, 2005.(AP Photo/Gregorio Marrero)

[bobthedrummer]

25. Chavez is certainly not delusional when he speaks of threats against him.

I think he is politically admirable and good for his country and the world, so this American wishes him a long and healthy life.

[saigon68]

34. Unfortunately the Bush Criminals think Che Guevara is back from the DEAD

They will kill or assassinate him soon. He has to go according to the NeoCon Mind ---- Negroponte will kill him.

[Judi Lynn]

43. Che Guevara St. Patrick's Day article....

St. Patrick's Day 2005: Che lives



4 decades on, Guevara remains intriguing and controversial
By Peter McDermott
[email protected]

Forty years ago this week, the world's most famous Marxist revolutionary, Ernesto "Che" Guevara, flew into Shannon Airport. His interview with reporters there was the last time he spoke or was seen publicly outside of Cuba.

The next press briefing involving the Argentinean-born hero of the Cuban revolution was 30 months later, when his bullet-pocked body was put on view by the Bolivian military.


Ahead of his well-publicized arrival at Havana airport on March 15, 1965 (after which he disappeared from view, to the Congo, it turned out), Che and 70 other passengers traveling from North Africa made a scheduled stop at Shannon. Their Cuban Airlines Britannia had mechanical trouble, however, and they stayed overnight.


On the recommendation of airport staff, Guevara and some friends went to Hanratty's Hotel on Glentworth Street in Limerick City. A 2004 article in the Limerick Leader reported: "They returned in very good form that evening, wearing sprigs of shamrocks in their lapels."
(snip/...)

http://www.irishecho.com/newspaper/story.cfm?id=16187

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I'm sure you're right they'll be out to kill him (some more) but I hope heaven prevails and the bastards will be thwarted. _Bush degrades, destroys, brings grief and suffering in a world where others like Chavez burn with a need to see the lives of the downtrodden lifted up, and improved.

[bobthedrummer]

56. They couldn't take him out in 2002, he's leading a charmed life.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

27. Venezuela's pro-socialism democracy = "conflictive style" ???

In other words, America only supports those governments that institute a rabid capitalistic "fuck the poor" democratic system. No wonder "Old Europe" is held in such low regard right now by the BFEE/neo-con cabal.

JB

[leftchick]

45. that is BFEE speak for...

we want their oil...

[nolabels]

29. Oil wars ho

Hey mates, I heard Hugo has got some that black gooey stuff

[Nickster]

31. Felix Rodriguez? Is this the same guy that was Jeb's contact in Florida

to get supplies to the Contras? Doesn't this guy have a HUGE connection to the BFEE? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else, but that name and the CIA mention and the fact they brought up Mauro setoff some alarm bells for me.

[Say_What]

32. Yes and good friends with Old Bush (photo)

<clips>

Contra Campaign

The life of Felix I. Rodriguez provides a tour through the dark heart of America. From the Bay of Pigs fiasco to Vietnam to the El Salvador death squads to the Iran-contra scandal, the Cuban exile and self-described "CIA hero" was there. His most famous assassination mission came in 1967, when he led the Bolivian army group that captured and summarily executed leftist revolutionary Ernesto "Che" Guevara. He's worked closely with right-wing terrorists, and some of his associates were involved in the Watergate break-in. Given his background, it's not surprising his name has surfaced in numerous JFK conspiracy theories as well.

Now retired in North Miami-Dade near Barry University, Rodriguez, who says his CIA career was always fueled by a hope to unseat Fidel Castro, also has special relationships with both of this year's presidential candidates. George W. Bush sends him a White House Christmas card each year. The president's father counts Rodriguez as an old friend; Bush Sr. worked with him during the mid-Eighties, when Rodriguez ran the operation to arm the Nicaraguan contras for the Reagan administration.

Democratic nominee John Kerry, though, isn't so cozy with Rodriguez. In 1986 the then-rookie senator formed a committee to investigate Iran-contra. The so-called Kerry Committee alleged that Rodriguez had helped steer $10 million from the notorious Medellín cocaine cartel to the contras. The committee concluded that trafficking was rampant in the rebels' effort.

Rodriguez ,who now leads Brigade 2506, the Bayh of Pigs veterans' group squared off with Kerry during a closed congressional hearing. He told the Massachusetts senator point-blank that the allegation was a damned lie and, for good measure, added that he had no respect for him.

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/issues/2004-09-23/metro.html


Two Terrorist (Felix and Old Bush) Chillin in the Oval

[Nickster]

33. Well that explains it then

The BFEE is def sending a clear message to Chavez. Especially considering who the message is coming from. I guess Chavez isn't so crazy after all. I'd start upping that security detail if I were him.

[Say_What]

35. Besides, Venezuelan intelligence is light years beyond the USSA

and their info is more than likely legitimate. Based on historical fact, the USSA is operating exactly like it did when they overthrew other democratically elected leaders in LatAm.

[StaggerLee]

36. USSA?

I'm trying to follow. What does USSA stand for?

[catzies]

37. It stands for United Soviet States of America - think USSR

Basically, it means we became what we despised.

[bywho4who]

52. I got the gist of USSA instantly

And appreciate your creativity:think:

[Judi Lynn]

42. Doesn't that photo make you ill? Pretty bad state of affairs

when older Bush entertains a terrorist at his official residence in Washington. Somewhat blatant.

From your Miami New Times article:

While Bush Sr. avoided the truth about Iran-contra, Castillo has worked for years to expose it and, in so doing, has researched Rodriguez's life -- from Cuba to Vietnam to El Salvador. He's come to the conclusion that the Cuban exile is no hero. "He's always been a terrorist, just like Osama bin Laden and all the terrorists we've made in the past," he says.
(snip)

He's nothing but trash.

[StaggerLee]

60. If Rodriguez is taken out would the world miss him?

I have just finished reading Crime and Punishment and thinking along the lines that Rodion Romanovitch Raskolnikov did.

[Rex]

40. It is as if Chavez knew.

Murdering Hugo will be a BIG, BIG mistake! Of course that is ALL WE'VE HAD SINCE BUSH STOLE THE ELECTIONS. One big mistake after another, all to make the biggest profit possible. Americans are paying for Bush's failures, everyone can see it.

[Barrett808]

41. Smirky McChimp will screw it up

Just as he screwed up the coup attempt. Chavez will end up stronger, China will get "our" oil, and the US will sink that much further toward "former empire" status.

[Name removed]

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[Media_Lies_Daily]

55. Interesting post....is there anyone knocking on your door yet?

[struggle4progress]

46. kick

[seemslikeadream]

47. The General says Venezuela's harboring terrorists

Venezuela's implicit or explicit harboring of terrorists and its importation of so many Kalashnikov rifles is worrying the chief of the Southern Command, Gen. Bantz Craddock. Gen. Craddock's statements give greater credence to widespread concerns about terrorist safe havens and Venezuela's motives for bolstering its arsenal.

In his testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee on Tuesday, Gen. Craddock said, "I am also concerned with Venezuela's influence ... The capture of senior FARC member Rodrigo Granda in Venezuela, carrying a valid Venezuelan passport and his possible connection to the kidnapping and killing of the daughter of Paraguay's former president is of concern." The FARC is one of Colombia's largest terrorist groups, and Granda's capture highlighted the presence of Colombian militants in Venezuela.

...

The general also pointed out that while Colombia, Brazil and Peru signed a pact to improve border coordination in February of last year, "Venezuela's record of cooperation" with Colombia's security efforts "remains mixed." He added, "We remain concerned that Colombia's consider the areas of the Venezuelan border with Colombia a safe area to rest, trans-ship drugs and arms, and procure logistical supplies."

...

Gen. Craddock also signalled his concern about the possibility that Venezuela's arms imports could make their way to other countries, fueling conflict in the Southern Hemisphere. Venezuela is reportedly importing 50 latest-generation Mig-29 warplanes, dozens of helicopter gunships, a fleet of naval vessels and 100,000 Kalashnikov automatic rifles. "We are wondering just what the intent here is," Gen. Craddock told the Financial Times.
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http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20050316-084146-3058r.htm

:eyes:

[chlamor]

51. General Craddock-Hup 2-3-4

This is Dr. Strangefeld stuff.

Colombia's security efforts? That's rich. "We are wondering just what the intent here is", here's a hint General:

TO PROTECT THEMSELVES

[seemslikeadream]

53. US Navy sent an aircraft carrier 46 miles from the Venezuelan coast

One month ago, the US Navy sent an aircraft carrier and marines to the island of Curaçao, 46 miles from the Venezuelan coast. Our government was not notified of this maneuver, which is contrary to international laws and conventions. It was said that the marines were on Curaçao for Rest and Recreation! Blatant lies! This was outright intimidation!
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http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_16310.shtml



"I'm wondering just what the intent here is"

[bobbieinok]

48. didn't Rice say of Chavez 'just because someone was elected doesn't

mean they're legitimate'

[chomskysright]

49. passed to Caracas newspaper...

[email protected] in this thread

[bywho4who]

50. If We

Just Hang these treasonous bastards live on PBS :mad:

Then we will be writing about positive matters on this board :party:

[Judi Lynn]

54. The same Cuban-American show host, Maria Elvira Salazar in Miami

interiewed Pinochet, also, and her interview lead to his current problem, which she REGRETS. Yep, sounds as if she's serving the right-wing reactionary crowd there.

Posted on Fri, Mar. 18, 2005

CRIMINAL JUSTICE

Journalist rueful at Pinochet arrest

The TV journalist whose interview with Chile's Augusto Pinochet helped prosecutors charge the former dictator expressed regret at her role in the case.

BY OSCAR CORRAL
[email protected]

Television journalist Maria Elvira Salazar set out to score a rare interview with Gen. Augusto Pinochet, but she never imagined it would lead to his arrest.

Chilean officials say Salazar's interview, broadcast in November 2003, helped give them enough evidence to place Pinochet under house arrest in December.

The Harvard-educated Salazar, an aggressive interviewer who has her own show, Maria Elvira Confronta, on Miami's WDLP Channel 22, is not entirely comfortable with her unwitting role in Pinochet's imprisonment.

''I feel very bad,'' she said. ``I did not want to cause him problems. Someone who had already put legal issues behind him is now entangled in new legal problems because of me.''

Few Latin American leaders have aroused as much emotion as Pinochet. Conservative sympathizers view him as Chile's savior for wresting power from the hands of communists, but detractors say he was a tyrant -- torturing, killing and jailing to keep power.
(snip/...)

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/11165814.htm
(Free registration is required)



Pinochet: still big in Miami!

Mr. "Not a blade of grass
grows in Chile without my
permission!"

[Say_What]

57. Poor baby...

They thought because they were in Miamia that they were immune and now she's trying desperately to get that POS off the hook... ROFL Now where's Henry Kissinger??

From the article:

...During the hourlong interview, he cracked a few jokes and struck a defiant attitude. ''What do I have to be sorry for?'' he asked.

Pinochet also acknowledged that under his rule, ''excesses'' were committed by ``people who don't control themselves.''

In response to a question on his leadership, Pinochet said: ``That's difficult -- how one sees one's self. Always as an angel. I have no regrets at all. I have not assassinated anyone. I haven't ordered the killing of anyone. I feel that would be an aberration. I am a Christian first, then the rest.''

...The biggest reason Pinochet granted Salazar the interview, she said, is that she is a Cuban American from Miami and Pinochet believes that the Cuban exile community is one of the few groups across Latin America that understood his role in preventing Chile from becoming another Cuba.

[Judi Lynn]

59. Chavez followers get paramilitary training

Wednesday, March 16, 2005 · Last updated 7:56 p.m. PT

Chavez followers get paramilitary training

By FABIOLA SANCHEZ
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER



Supporters of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez practice the stationary march during a military training session in Caracas, Venezuela, Tuesday, March 15, 2005. Dozens of President Hugo Chavez's supporters line up in formation, chanting "fatherland or death" and vowing to defend the country if the United States tries to invade. (AP Photo/Fernando Llano)

CARACAS, Venezuela -- Chanting "fatherland or death," dozens of President Hugo Chavez's supporters lined up in formation, vowing to defend the country if the United States tries to invade. Led by an army reservist, the volunteers in black caps said their numbers would swell in the coming months.

The start of training for "Popular Defense Units" marks a more confrontational stage in U.S.-Venezuelan relations.

Chavez is tightening his personal security, accusing Washington of backing a plot to assassinate him. While U.S. officials seek to isolate a leader who has become a symbol of anti-American sentiment in Latin America, Chavez is warning he will cut off oil exports to the United States if it supports any attempt to overthrow him.

The socialist leader called last month for creation of civilian groups to help defend Venezuela if necessary; in one poor Caracas neighborhood, about 120 supporters began military-style drills last month even though they have not been issued weapons.
(snip/...)

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/aplatin_story.asp?category=1102&slug=Venezuela%20Defending%20Chavez

[Conscious Confucius]

58. So, the U.S. as terrorist list stands at:

Afghanistan
Iraq
Iran
Syria
Venezuela
China (over Taiwan)
Next up... Russia

Any other lucky winners?