Rewritten Bible banishes saints

[truthpusher]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/03/15/nbible15.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/03/15/ixhome.html

Rewritten Bible banishes saints
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By Jonathan Petre, Religion Correspondent
(Filed: 15/03/2005)
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For readers of the Bible confused by its archaic language, such as its use of the term "stoned" for a form of execution rather than the effects of smoking dope, help is at hand.

One of the world's most widely read Bibles, the New International Version, has been modernised by a team of 15 American and British scholars and is published today.

Gone is the word "aliens", which the academics thought was invariably associated in the minds of the younger generation with extra-terrestrials. It is replaced with "foreigners".

Even the term "saints" is deemed to be too "ecclesiastical" and has been banished, to be replaced with "God's chosen people". The Virgin Mary is no longer "with child"; she is "pregnant".

And, to the dismay of traditionalists, who will suspect a feminist agenda, "inclusive" language has been introduced throughout.

complete story: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/03/15/nbible15.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/03/15/ixhome.html

[Warpy]

1. I don't suppose they've replaced the appalling "handmaiden"

with the original "woman." That would be expecting too much.

[Tux]

2. How about....

Paul with Sex-obsessed Fool?

[LostInAnomie]

3. Nothing like updating the translation on God's unerring word.

eom

[renaissanceguy]

40. *GASP* You mean that they can actually change the wording

in the Bible?

http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues.14741193

[Endangered Specie]

4. Oh right... people really think stoned means to smoke a joint

when they read it in the bible. :crazy:

[jpak]

5. What did they do about "knowing"

and "spilling seed"????

[eleny]

8. "Boinking" and "pulling off" might draw the younger crowd

[ET Awful]

6. Now if they'd just replace "Jesus" with "tolerant liberal Jewish rabbi"

:)

[Andromeda]

14. That's a good description of Jesus...

:hi:

[AnneD]

41. Carpenter...

You forgot un-unionized carpenter.

[AuntiBush]

21. Agreed!

Unmarried abbi's were not allowed in temples when Christ walked the earth. Interesting thoughts there when referring to what Gnostics suggest.

They believe Mary Magdalene was the Apostle's Apostle.

Edited: MY typos!

[Dogmudgeon]

7. Something else to worry about

If it's not Janet's boob, it's Michael. If it's not Michael, it's Martha. If it's not Martha, it's the New International Version of the Bible.

When, oh when will my odyssey of suffering come to an end?

--p!

[KittyWampus]

9. Learn Hebrew, Greek & Latin If You Really Want To Understand What

is written.

[truthpusher]

10. What about the Gnostic Gospels....

...no matter how it's interpreted - todays 'modern' Bible is incomplete....

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/gnostics.html

[megatherium]

15. The gnostic gospels were generally written later than the canonical

books of the New Testament. The core of the NT was written in the first century. Some gnostic gospel fans will argue they were written earlier and the canonical writings were written later, but modern secular scholarship tends to put the gnostic stuff from the mid second century on.

Basically, the fourth-century council that arrived at the modern canon choose the books it choose according to the criterion of apostolic authorship (written by the apostles or their immediate followers). We now know their choices weren't always correct (five to seven of the twelve letters of Paul in the NT are now understood not to have been written by him). But the gnostic writings were never under serious consideration because they knew that the writings were much different than the writings they knew were from the apostles or their immediate followers.

[AuntiBush]

18. I'm reading those now.

And contrary to what one side says, other's have done remarkable work contrasting both Gnotic scriptures to Old & NT writings; very similiar in many areas.

1 Major difference that bothers some is Gnostics firmly believe women and all nations of ethnicity are equal. There's more to it, but it's the foundations that they held dear.

I'm finding them very, very interesting.

[AuntiBush]

23. And re-written so many times...

And chosen. To this day, not one scholar knows for certain "which" John if any wrote Revelations. It's yet to be proven. High-Priest w/big political agenda's supervised which books to in place and many are believed strongly to have been re-written as well.

So, what is the truth? I say keep it simple. Too many read it literally, and forget it was written during a different era, different settings.

[AuntiBush]

25. Great Link on the Gnostics - Entire Book online

Go here: http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl_thomas.htm

Literally several books online freely to read, that I bought already.

[amazona]

11. we Presbyterians banished saints a few centuries ago

We seem to have not yet been struck down by lightning from a wrathful God.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[okasha]

12. God probably thought

that John Knox was enough punishment to inflict on anybody.

[AuntiBush]

19. Amazona, may I ask respectfully...

Are you a conservative Democrat? Respectfully, just curious. I'd like to diffuse my thoughts that all Presbyterians are neoconservative Republicans.

:hi:

[loudsue]

30. Nobody else replied, so I will....

I was baptized Presbyterian. There are many wealthy Presbyterians, so, it may be that THAT is why you think we're all conservative Dems, if Dems at all! And, certainly, there are many conservatives in the Pres. church.

However, I lean so far left, I could tip over w/ a strong breeze!

There is hope...EVERYWHERE! There are even Southern Baptists who are DEEPLY liberal Dems!

:shrug: Things don't always have to make sense, I suppose!

[ElectroPrincess]

34. No, even when I dig down deep into my conscious,

I love the intercessions and honoring our saints and martyrs. I must admit, that banishing the saints - the vast majority of us Catholics (liberals even!) are NOT willing to comply with such actions. :-)

[riverwalker]

13. they shoulda kept the "aliens" part

the fundies could add UFO's to their bizarro rapture scenarios.

[Selteri]

31. They can't have the terroritoy of Bob!

Bob needs money!

[VegasWolf]

16. No matter how much they embellish it, it's just a bunch of stories

written by a bunch of old people a long time ago.

[SharonAnn]

17. And, to the dismay of traditionalists, who will be required

to think of women as people .....

[AuntiBush]

20. Exactly, SharonAnn... exactly!

Perish their thoughts ;)

[Wonk]

22. Almah or bethulah Mary? "Young woman" Mary or "Virgin" Mary?

http://www.appliedlanguage.com/articles/virgin_birth_and_red_underpants.shtml

(snip)

The Old Testament talks about almah 'young woman,' not bethulah 'virgin.' However, the scholars in the 3rd century BC translated the Hebrew almah as parthenos in Greek. Thus the 'young woman' in Hebrew metamorphosed into a 'virgin' in Greek—and she has remained a virgin ever since in translations across the world. The notion of 'virgin birth' was born, thanks to a mistranslation.

[AuntiBush]

24. Many, many mistranslations and just as many w/political agendas.

Think simple.

We were given a brain, and it says "use it!"
We were given instincts. Think of an alley cat that instinctly knows to give birth without help of the pro's we use, and to defend it's young from predators.

Here we are, humans - higher beings on earth. A brain and instincts, still we ignore our inner-common sense.

[Ellen Rose]

26. The author of The Language Police ,Diane Ravitch, would love this one.

The author of The Language Police ,Diane Ravitch, would love this one.

It would seem that if folks aren't smart enough to know the meanings of these words, perhaps they shouldn't be reading this book. We wouldn't want them to have to study a little to understand the meaning of the written word.

If you have read Ravitch's book you will see the comparison of changes in textbooks and what the translators have done to the Bible. It looks like they are prepping it for use in classrooms.

Textbooks can no longer be gender biased, gender unbalanced,or use words or ideas that might make the reader uncomfortable. They are dumbing down the Bible, but I guess with the education most are getting these days that is the only way to understand it.


:headbang:

[FlashHarry]

27. Boy, am I conservative! Give me the King James version!

1607, baby!

[heidler1]

28. How about the flip flopping on things like polygamy. The whole new way

to get into Heaven. In the old Testament it was a life long effort, but no body went to Hell because they hadn't invented it yet. It seems a lot like US dollars you save them up and Bush (God) devalues them when ever he feels like it. Then he wonders why people aren't saving them.

[daleo]

29. They banished the Saints?

Well, they hardly ever beat the spread anyway.

[ElectroPrincess]

35. LOL daleo, you goof ball ! (tease) still, with each new season ...

I hope the New Orleans Saints win ... now that's optimism. ;)

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/

[daleo]

38. Well, they are supposed to be good with miracles.

You never know.

[anitar1]

32. How Many Times Has It Been Rewritten now?

Peopel have been tinkering with the Bible through the ages.

[Azathoth]

33. The Catholic Church ain't gonna like this one bit...

Besides, who's going to come marchin' in if not the saints?

[Az_lefty]

36. I bet they managed to include the word "Rapture"

even though it's not in the original text.

[olddad56]

37. Have they replaced Jesus with Dubya?

[jdj]

39. 'inclusive" language has been introduced throughout'

oopsie, that accidentally spells it out for everyone, doesn't it?

wouldn't want the bible to be inclusive, would we?

[w4rma]

42. This looks like a pretty good traslation. Much easier to read than other

translations I've seen.