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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:28 PM
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Bush’s NY Poll Numbers Drop Sharply
The Associated Press
http://www.nynewsday.com/news/nationworld/iraq/nyc-bushpoll0923,0,4715450.story?coll=nyc-topheadlines-span

September 23, 2003, 10:45 AM EDT

President Bush's approval rating has suffered a double-digit drop among New York voters in the past five months and even about one-quarter of Republicans now say they will vote against him, a statewide poll reported Tuesday.

The downturn for Bush comes in the wake of boasting by Republican Gov. George Pataki and other top New York GOP officials that the president will carry the Empire State next year. No Republican president has managed that in heavily Democratic New York since Ronald Reagan did it in 1980 and 1984.

(snip)

The independent Marist poll came out as Bush was arriving in New York City to address the United Nations on the war on terrorism and the Iraq war.

Bush's approval rating was 44 percent in the new poll, down from 58 percent in April and a high of 79 percent in December 2001, just three months after the terrorist attacks brought down the World Trade Center towers and sent Bush's approval ratings soaring in New York.

But in the latest poll, 48 percent of New York voters surveyed, including 23 percent of Republicans, said they definitely planned to vote against Bush in the 2004 election.

"There is some erosion at his base, not just an overall alienation among Democrats," Miringoff said.

This is great news - Especially the last two paragraphs above - EARTH TO PATAKI...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:31 PM
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1. I'm so glad they, capitalizingly, chose New York City for their
convention next year.

btw ..I can't wait until pataki is Gone.
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:32 PM
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2. if you can't make it here
hopefully you can't make it anywhere....
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:32 PM
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3. "He was there for New York state"
says a GOP leader saying Bush will win NY next year. Just what did he do for New York? He certainly didn't help them fund homeland security.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:39 PM
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4. Ummm.. Is this Guy familiar
with September 11, 2001?? The administration basically f**ed NYC up the ass, most notably by not preventing it from happening in the first place...
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:03 PM
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11. And then heLIED about the TOXINS in their AIR!!!!
Can you spell ASSHOLE???

Can you spell UNELECTED???

Man, if the trend holds, Pataki isn't the only one who'll be eating his words a year from November...

I can't wait to see what transpires around town during the rethug convention next year!
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:40 PM
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5. He appeared with a photographer and a megaphone...
...that's what "being there" means for Bush.
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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:46 PM
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18. Well, I guess that that's being there ...
in the Being There sense.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 03:44 PM
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26. low expectations
that seemed to be enough for many people for a long time.
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:43 PM
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6. The Turn of the Tide
Yes! people are finaly begining to wake up to what a disaster this Administration is.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:51 PM
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7. Oooh that convention should be quite interesting no?
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 12:51 PM by underpants
Chldren what do we call this? Okay.......uh.......... Johnny

It's called being a dumb ass and counting your f**king chickens before they hatch!

In a manner of speaking yes Johnny.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:09 PM
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12. It's also called Pride Goeth Before a FALL!!!
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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:47 PM
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19. Too late ...
the Fall is already upon us.
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:53 PM
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8. Isn't the Republican convention going to be just lovely in NYC?
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 12:54 PM by Flubadubya
Do ya think they could claim "buyer's remorse" and have it moved somehere else before next year? I bet Rove would if he thought he could get away with it.

Ooooh Underpants... you was a postin' while I was a typin'... but great minds and all that. :-)
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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:57 PM
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21. Maybe to give the GOP Convention the real aura of 9/11 ...
they could pipe in smoke similar to that which they breathed for months afterward. If it's good enough for New Yorkers, it's too good for Dubya.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:53 PM
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9. The GOP convention is timed to coincide with the 9/11 anniversary
in order to get the most political bang per collapsed building and dead body.

But this is turning more and more into a big train wreck for the GOP.

States with Democratic legislatures need to keep Bush OFF the ballot in their states in order to get control back from this farce. And, they need to do it in retaliation for the redistricting travesties in Texas and Colorado.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:58 PM
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10. If what I saw/ heard in NYC the night of Sept 10 is any indication,
the Repukes' decision to have their convention in NYC next year is gonna be one badass blunder.

I went to the "candlelight" march and vigil that night to Ground Zero. Started at 14th Street and Broadway, walked down Broadway, turned at Vesey Street past St. Paul's Church and reached Ground Zero.

(This was my first visit to the site, and I must say that unless you've actually seen it for yourself, you cannot possibly comprehend the immensity of what used to be and is no more)

The ceremony ended with our encirclement of the perimeter at around 9:45 pm, when the church bells chimed, signaling the completion of the "Circle of Hope".

On my way back, I passed by many groups of 9/11 family members wearing photo T-shirts, carrying photos, etc. I overheard, but did not stop to talk. They were talking about * and Cheney, and those names were being taken in vain. Big time.
The antipathy was so thick you could cut it with a knife. It was just as well that neither * nor Cheney came to the site that week.

Bear in mind, too, that this also came right on the heels of that EPA inspector general's report about the EPA misleading the public about the air quality in the aftermath of 9/11.

(For pictures of that night, visit Peaceful Tomorrows at www.peacefultomorrows.org and click onto Photo Gallery)

:grr:

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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 03:46 PM
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27. I doubt very much that * will be able to
show his face in NYC by the time of the convention, and if he does - hell will break loose!!
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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:16 PM
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13. *'s megaphone photo op
was a pathetic exercise. Somthing tells me he would have never gone near Ground Zero if Clinton had not gone there days before to cheer the rescue workers on. The rescue workers responded by chanting "We want you back, we want you back." (Somehow the Librul Media buried this story...) After that Rove decided Chimpy better put in an appearance.
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:21 PM
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14. I Wonder How Big That "First Amendment Zone" Will Be
I don't think Dimbo can find enough trained people in the US to protect his a** in NYC 12 months from now.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:29 PM
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15. Manhattan is not a huge island, so
the First Amendment Zone will probably be located in New Jersey! :bounce:

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ignatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:38 PM
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16. I really think the WH scrubbing of the EPA report
was huge news. If their motives were too assure people to go back to work then they were once again pandering to business over the lives of ordinary citizens(who,of course, they touted as heroes in their photo ops.)

If the motive was something more sinister, such as clearing out evidence,even against objections of firemen and engineers, then that is an even darker story.

Either way, they jeopardized peoples lives for their own agenda. I believe this now makes many more questions about the BFEE involvement in 9-11 more plausible.

After all, if the WH lied about this thus jeopardizing peoples health, what else would they lie about and how insignificant is the average citizen to them?

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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:57 PM
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20. I could not agree more
In terms of long-term political fallout, this is going to be a toxic mess for the Pukes, and one that they will not be able to deny.

Of course, the political consequences for Bush pale beside the real-life repercussions of EPA lies and spin, as lung disease, mesothelioma and other horrors begin to show up in increasing numbers of New Yorkers for months and years to come.
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ignatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:11 PM
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23. A depressing thought isn't it, yet that is the
reality that New Yorkers have to face.

These slimy bastards will leave their vile mark on the entire world for many, many years.
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Chico Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 04:05 PM
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30. The average citizen mean nothing to them
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 04:05 PM by shpongled
That I can say for certain..
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:41 PM
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17. What has happened?
It is like every one woke up this month
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:06 PM
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22. Nope. We were awake, but the press just started noticing us
or writing about us. Someone said that the one unforgiveable sin in this country is failure - the war, the economy reached a critical mass - so the press got bolder. It's just all the news that was not fit to print a month ago.
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zekeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 03:42 PM
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24. Its Bush's * month long vacation coming back to bite him in the ass
He numbers were already dropping, but the WH and Rove were not around to deliver their daily affront to the intellect of Americans so the press took time to connect dots, think a little bit, and realized that awful smell they had been smelling was coming from the WH. Karma will come back to bite you, big time.
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Chico Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 04:04 PM
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29. Were they really banking on Arnie filling up the airwaves enough..
to shield BushCo. from the inevitable onslaught of negative press? What poor strategy. Makes me wonder what Rove has cooking right now...
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 03:42 PM
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25. sadly it's not about human dignity or suffering
its the $87B request that Bush made a few weeks ago that has caused the downward spiral. it's all about the money.
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 04:36 PM
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31. That Speech Was Only The Start
A record surplus disappears only to be substituted for a record decifit, Iraq casualties under-reported, police and firemen denied a raise and support, initial reports of toxins produced by the WTC collapse, Halliburton exclusive open-ended contracts, jobs going off shore---then Dimbo makes a prime time speech whining for more money.

Even the Freeps are asking some hard questions of their Shrub-In-Chief.



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BadGimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 04:01 PM
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28. LOL: "There is some erosion at his base,...
"But in the latest poll, 48 percent of New York voters surveyed, including 23 percent of Republicans, said they definitely planned to vote against Bush in the 2004 election.

"There is some erosion at his base, not just an overall alienation among Democrats," Miringoff said."


aaaaaaaaahhhhhhahahahahaha

too gosh darned funny

"Some" erosion, yeah and the nuke we dropped on Nagasaki cause some damage.


me thinks this
book will be a
collectors item
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