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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:39 PM
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NO Alert Issued on 9-11 (by FCC) as Bush Didn't Order One
http://www.legitgov.org/FCCfailure_092203.html

NO Alert Issued on 9-11 (by FCC) as (p)Resident Didn't Order One! --by Mary Titus, a CLG exclusive "'In response to your questions, (1) the EAS system was not activated on 9/11/01. (2) a decision to activate EAS would be made by the president (for national level) or by the affected state (for state level), or by local authorities, so the FCC has no information on why EAS was not used that day.'"

-Lori
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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:42 PM
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1. OMG!!! This is Big time News! OMG!! I was wondering what went on?
So the News Networks Lied !!! :bounce:
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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:51 PM
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12. Yes, please forward to all...
We must get the story out on Maggot Face and his 'role' in the 9-11 terrorist attacks. Only the revelation of Bush and his foreknowledge of the 9-11 attacks could prevent him from doing it 'again' and stealing the 2004 s-election as his poll numbers plummet.

Thanks.
-Lori

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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:54 PM
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15. Great Article Lori! You Bet!
:bounce:
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:44 PM
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2. well, in Bush's defense, that goat story is a real page-turner
so I can understand why he didn't to a DAMNED THING when he heard what was going on...

:grr:
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flatlandr Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:28 PM
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34. Hey! Don't dis the goat! For all we know, he's maybe ...
a clandestine Baphomet?
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:05 AM
Response to Reply #34
37. WOW, now that's an esoteric reference!
Welcome to DU, flatlandr! :hi:
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #34
51. The real Baphomet is in the White House
He is worshipped by the guardians of our neo crusaders.
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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:45 PM
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3. Can someone explain what EAS means I think I know but not sure
Is it Emergency Alert System!

So let me get this straight Bush didn't order this!

with 9/11/01

and I can tell ya this is right! There were lots of Americans left in the dark by this agency!

:bounce:
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alexwcovington Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:49 PM
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8. yes
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:46 PM
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4. Hello Bush.............WHY?WHY?WHY?
WTF...........TREASON IN THE HIGHEST OFFICE!!!!
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sphbecker Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 03:47 PM
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52. I don't understand
Please explain how it was treasonous for Bush to not have issued this warning.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #52
58. you WOULD understand
if you weren't a goose-stepping Bush supporter
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sphbecker Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #58
62. Inadequate response
I am sorry but a personal attack does nothing to defend your position. Now, please explain your self, if you can.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:46 PM
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5. Impeach, Impeach, IMPEACH!
The incompetent, treasonous fools! I fear the Bush administration more than any terrorist.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:51 PM
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24. Me too, they
are pure evil and I don't believe a word they say and CAN'T believe a thing they do. This is just another big piece of the puzzle, may they all rot in jail (and thats being nice.).
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:25 AM
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39. OMG!!!..............I just misread this...but it is true.
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 01:26 AM by goforit
I read....
I "hear" the Bush administration more than any terrorist.
even though yours read......
'I "fear" the Bush administration more than any terrorist.'

Isn't that amazing that we HEAR more from this administration
more than
we hear from Alqueda or OBL or any other monster out there.

Don't tell me THEY COULD BE THE REAL................


Ooops!


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sphbecker Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #39
53. Why?
Why would you expect to hear more from Alqueda or OBL then Bush? Bush has a platform and is not at risk when you speaks. Terrorists have to try to smuggle tapes out and each time hope that they are not discovered.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #53
59. OH
SHUT UP
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sphbecker Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 06:05 PM
Response to Reply #59
63. Is this common
Is it common in this forum to make statements without giving support and then make personal attacks when you are questioned?

The way I see it, if your position cannot be questioned, then you have no business making it.

The funny part is that I am not even asking hard questions!
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Pepper Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #63
66. Yes, unfortunately.
It happens quite often here so don't feel too bad about it :)
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:48 PM
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6. B-b-b-b-b-but, isn't there video, or at least audio of
dickhead cheney talking about the order to shoot down being a tough one, but ultimately it was given by shrubbie*? I mean, how can they make that decision but not sound the EAS? Am I asking for too many dots to be connected here?

Who am I talking too? Holy shit, I've just gone insane. Maybe I should start a thread about it? Will, are you out there?

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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 07:08 PM
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17. Is an EAS order the same as an order to shoot down a plane?
I thought that would be issued to the military, not the FCC.
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #17
50. No. I didn't mean to imply that bush* had to issue the EAS
just the seemingly contradictory nature of the 2 decisions, or indecision as the case may be.
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:48 PM
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7. Thats because our AWOL Coward was to busy saving his...
worthless whistle ass!

ANYONE BUT BUSH IN "04"
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alexwcovington Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. The bastard wouldn't even...
...finish reading that story to the kindergarten class he was with in Florida.

I guess that was about 20 children left behind right there!!!
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Sick of Bullshit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 07:38 PM
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64. Wrong on both counts
1) He was in a second grade classroom at Booker Elementary School

2) Not only did he finish the goat story, but he also stayed for the question and answer session.

And when Andy Card relayed the message to Bush about the second attack, neither he nor Bush acted with any sense of urgency whatsoever. Card just casually stepped back without waiting for a reply, while Bush sat there for a few seconds, then grabbed a textbook and proceeded with the lesson.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:50 PM
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9. HFS! That's...what the hell???
I'm in broadcasting. They send out alerts for THUNDERSTORMS, for God's sake!

No alert, when there was every reason to? Why not?

Either Chimp "forgot" (if true, massive incompetence, if false, yet another lie), or...

Or what? I'm not sure what to think.
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alexwcovington Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:51 PM
Response to Reply #9
13. Hell
Sprinkles in counties on the edge of the station's range!
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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:53 PM
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14. We were Freakin Underattack the Pentagon got hit!
It felt like Pearl harbor all over again!

:bounce:

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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #9
28. Didn't you ask
about this? Hope you cause a ruckus wherever you're broadcasting.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:53 PM
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30. It's quite a balancing act.
I was not at work on 9/11. I was off, and woke up to the second plane crashing right as we flipped on the tv. Didn't go to work for a couple of days.

I work at DirecTV, so we don't actually handle the EAS anyway - that's the job of the individual channels we carry.

I've definitely caused a ruckus though, up to being labelled a "Saddam sympathizer" and being told I had the same mindset as Osama bin Laden. Thankfully, those same people (with one or two exceptions) now realize I was right to speak up.

It's really hard to go to work, knowing that my job is to keep propaganda on the air. Yet I have a 4-year-old son, so what can I do? I just do what I can, and speak out. I think my bumper stickers and t-shirts might get me in trouble with our proposed new owner, though. Sigh.

Canada looks nice...but I'll probably die here in the US. As long as I go down fighting, it's all good.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #30
56. Bleh
Work for a liberal TV owner. Please. Beg Ted Turner to buy back his Time-Warner and hire you on the spot.

:grin:

Hawkeye-X
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #30
67. Here if you're going to get fired anyway
why not show a few of my animations on DirecTV?

How about ARMY OF ONE http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html

or "Bush KNEW - An American Requiem" http://www.takebackthemedia.com/true911.html

Lots of them at our site on the flash page:

http://www.takebackthemedia.com

Feel free, and fight the good fight,

best,

symbolman
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Throckmorton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 07:41 AM
Response to Reply #9
43. No to sound republican, but,
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 07:43 AM by Throckmorton
what would the EAS alert tell people to do, hide in the cellar?
Flee tall buildings? Buy more pretzels?

I was working inside an area that is completely sealed from the outside world that morning, and I knew of the attack within 15 minutes of it happening. It was on every TV station, radio station, and internet news service within minutes of it happening. What would an EAS activation have done that wasn't already underway?
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 05:10 PM
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60. It could have advised NYers of many things.

How big the effected area was.

What traffic routes were closed.

To stay off the phones while rescue efforts were going on.

To wear protective breathing masks in which areas.

Etc, etc, etc.

That's what the system is for. Not to announce disasters. A look out the window will take care of that.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:50 PM
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11. Who gave the instant escort
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 06:52 PM by Jen6
to Payne Stewart's plane a few months earlier? Is a golfer on a private aircraft more valuable than 3000 souls?

Just wondering.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #11
16. asking about Payne Stewart is Un-American and communist!
:silly:


I'm guessing that the Stewart story is the kind of thing they would rather you not go around discussing openly

the bastards

:mad:
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 07:08 PM
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18. But in the movie . . .
Golly, didn't Bush launch himself into the atmosphere and stop three or four other planes from crashing into the Sears Tower, the Empire State Building AND the Crawford Ranch with his bare hands? I seem to recall him being able to do that because he's such a decent, Christian man that God imbued him with the powers of Bruce Almighty.

Or did I fall asleep channel surfing again?
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 07:11 PM
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19. oh for goodness sakes !!!

interception routinely kicks into gear (see Payne Stuart) when any plane goes off course and/or does not respond to tower

the launch of intercept jets--by SOP--would have been launched, and were launched, on every day except 9/11/01--BEFORE any indication of hijacking

THAT is how deep this shit is.

it NEVER happened before--for an airliner off-course

someone MADE it happen.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. Small correction
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 07:47 PM by DoYouEverWonder
Four airliners going off course at the same time.


Never before in history had this happened. As soon as the first plane hit the WTC, it was obvious that the other 3 planes would meet a similiar fate. So what did W & Co do, they pretended they didn't know a thing. Oh a plane just hit the WTC, must have been a bad pilot. Now go away and let me finish my story.



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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #22
27. Well, at least the story about the pet goat was completed.
At least the Idiot Usurper finished his reading for the week, and his comprehension of "My Pet Goat" was not disrupted.
:)-Lori
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:28 AM
Response to Reply #19
40. MIHOP!!!
Yes siree!!!
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #40
61. LIHOP or MIHOP. It was one or the other.

I was leaning LIHOP, but the more I learn, the more MIHOP seems the more probable.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 07:11 PM
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20. Pataki and Rudy were also negligent
Note that the letter said that it could be issued on the local level by the appropriate authority.

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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 07:34 PM
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21. PNAC - Rebuilding America's Defenses: "....like a new Pearl Harbor"....
<http://newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefense... >

Page 63:

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor."

NOTE: If you are unable to go directly to the .pdf document linked above, try going to the following PNAC website:

<http://newamericancentury.org/defensenationalsecurity.h... >

...and then click on the link in the line that says: "View the Project for the New American Century's report, Rebuilding America's Defenses released September 2000."

Also, ask yourself why the FAA delayed informing NORAD by as much as 30 minutes that hijackings were taking place. Additionally, ask yourself why only four interceptors given orders to intercept the airliners, and why they were sent from the two most distant ANG (Otis ANG in Mass) and USAF (Langley in Hampton, VA) bases possible.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 07:49 PM
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23. there was a drill going on that morning!
There was a drill being conducted out of the White House situation room on the morning of 9-11, by the CIA and the National Reconnaisance Office, supervised by Cheney. The drill involved the scenario of a plane crashing into a government building near Dulles Airport.

Now, why is this fact under-reported? Why? Why? Why? Why?

It can explain the confusion and the "standing down" and Bush's failure to alert the proper agencies.

Why is this under-report??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

And to add to the mystery, two web site I bookmarked last week regarding this matter are now gone dead. Here's the google cache for one of them.

http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:cfe2rQpL4MQJ:www.o...

here's another:

http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/cia-simulation.htm
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:47 PM
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29. Missing reports?
Isn't that what always happens when something of importance is posted..Don't forget they think they have their bases covered and will do whatever it takes. Don't forget that miniature replica of the pentagon..remember they had similations and went through this..just like a board game..real interesting..There used to be a nice pix of this and the people who were "playing" on the net..Bet that's MIA also.

Wouldn't this be a great question to ask one of the class-act LIARS on the WH site since they've started a question and answer period now..bet the moron who's taking the slate that day would shit in their pants!
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:56 PM
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31. Never heard of this! Any more info?
NT!
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #31
36. Yep..
private mail me.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #23
35. Both links work for me now.
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bigtime Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:05 PM
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25. "now there's one bad pilot"
yuk yuk yuk!

(popular wartime "president")
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zekeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:07 PM
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26. There is a logical explanation for this
take your :tinfoilhat: off and calm down. George and Dick will take care of us. They will soon have an investigation that will clear everything up. I mean, they wouldn't have spent more on investigating Clinton's dick and the space shuttle explosion than they would on the single most important event in recent US history, would've they?
:think:
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:04 PM
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32. This is Not Something to be Freaked Out Over
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 11:24 PM by Crisco
EAS couldn't have told anyone anything they couldn't be told either by the on-air announcer or hear in a live-carried Guiliani press conference.

EAS is on its way to being seriously abused. We're going to have the government take over the airwaves for Amber Alert? Yes, let's get everyone used to having Washington DC take over our local radio stations for just about any purpose.


Do you know what it's for?

The EBS was originally designed to distribute information in case of a nuclear attack. The tone and/or teletype (back when broadcast outlets got their news from the AP/UPI wires) would go off and you'd listen to it. If it didn't say "this is a test" it would be accompanied by FAA-type code words you had to look up in an annually-renewed brochure to check their legitimacy before going on air. The announcer would then go on air accompanied by the 'listen up y'all' tones.

EAS differs in that it allows the Government to take direct control of a broadcast outlet by cutting into the on-air stream. It was a very nice little deal, affording DC to take control, and Clear Channel and others to fire on-air personell and go to voice-tracking.

Ask yourself this: would New Yorkers have been more likely to go into a panic upon hearing a computer-generated announcement or some other strange voice telling people to get out of the Southern tip of Manhattan than they would getting the same message from the regular radio host?

My belief is yes.



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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 04:41 AM
Response to Reply #32
41. It strikes me as well
that with ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, FOX, MSNBC and every radio station yelling about what was happening in New York, not to mention all the smoke and the screaming, that an EAS announcement was pretty much moot.

Maybe I'm a sucker, though.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 07:53 AM
Response to Reply #41
45. Aye, Will
There are plenty of good arrows to fling at Herr Dubya, this ain't one of 'em.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 03:52 PM
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54. You're not a sucker, but this is odd.
Not damning, but very weird. Like I said above, EAS sends out messages for routine things - and quite often it simply rebroadcasts a local news bulletin.

At least, that's how it used to work. It may have changed since I started working at my job back in 2000.
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DrBB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 07:52 AM
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44. Yes--I think people are confusing FCC with FAA
That was my initial reaction until I hit the link (a duh! moment--I plead insufficient coffee intake). I think some people are getting this confused with the question of how the FAA and Air Force seemed not to react according to standard operating procedures for hijackings. FCC=Federal Communications Commission. EAS=Emergency Alert System. Used to be Emergency Broadcast System ("This station will now conduct a test of the Emergency Broadcast System.... had this been a real emergency etc.)

I don't think this has anything to do with that, unless you wanted to see it as some part of a "stand down" posture as part of LIHOP. But it's only suggestive (maybe not even that), not probative.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #44
47. I think you're right.
I made the same FCC/FAA mistake at first glance. My plea is too much coffee.

There are a lot of guns out there smoking much worse than this one.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #32
48. so. LIHOP in order to avoid panic?
that makes sense.
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:23 PM
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33. Bush was too busy in the classroom
I wish there had been an alert of some sort!
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:09 AM
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38. Holy cow
:wow:
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 07:36 AM
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42. Look at the lack of EAS alert as
One more routine thing that did NOT happen on the morning of 9/11. Another excellent part of the case for LIHOP (at the very least).

BTW, WHY was Poppy in the White Haus the night before this happened?

:mad:
dbt
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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:11 AM
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46. Uh, coordinating last minute plans w. Rove-Rumsfeld...
...while the Idiot Usurper was sleeping? <g>
:)-Lori
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fknobbit Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:43 AM
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49. Goat propagation!
Goat and sheep husbandary is a very important addition to the Crawford ranch. Arrafats advise after the Clinton scandle was... "goats don't talk".
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nannygoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 04:09 PM
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55. None of us goats would tolerate the Crawford pig farm
otherwise known as the "Lazy W"!
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 04:15 PM
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57. You mean....
This is a test
for the next 60 seconds...

This has been a test of the emergency broadcasting system
If this had been a real emergency
you would have been instructed waht to do.....?


Never heard a word about it till now. I don't think it crossed most peoples minds.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 08:53 PM
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65. Yeah it looks like energy should be spent on what happened
between the FAA and AF and WH AND THE PUT OPTIONS!
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