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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 10:38 PM
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Bush questioning hard-line Iraq policies
By JOHN WALCOTT
Knight Ridder Newspapers
Sept. 20, 2003

WASHINGTON - Faced with rising costs, sinking polls, unsympathetic allies, an increasingly skeptical Congress and potential splits in his political party, President Bush has begun to question the hard-line Iraq policies long championed by Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld.

Foreign-policy concerns and domestic politics are prompting the administration to rethink its approach to Iraq, said a number of administration foreign and domestic-policy officials, who all spoke on the condition of anonymity because, as one of them put it, "the president hates seeing internal debates in the paper."

Abroad, these officials said, it's clear that the United States needs more foreign money and manpower in Iraq. It's also clear that America isn't likely to get much of either without sharing at least some authority with the United Nations and agreeing to hand over power to Iraqis more quickly.

At home, they said, budget chief Josh Bolten and other White House officials have been troubled by the rough reception the president's request for $87 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan in 2004 is getting in Congress and across the country.

The officials said Bush's chief political adviser, Karl Rove, was concerned about new polls that suggest sinking support for the president's handling of Iraq. . . .

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/nation/682149...

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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 10:39 PM
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1. I refuse to take this seriously
This is just a planted story to make * look "moderate".

Sorry, ain't working!
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 10:41 PM
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2. Nah, it's the start of the settup
Edited on Sat Sep-20-03 10:41 PM by khephra
for them to clean house before the election, placing all the blame for everything going wrong on Anybody But Bush (The Republican Version).
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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 11:02 PM
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13. Bingo Kheph!
Edited on Sat Sep-20-03 11:03 PM by Flying_Pig
And you can bet, any and all will be sacrificed in *'s desperate attempt to stay in office. The Dems need to start talking about "responsibility", and how the "buck stops here", when it comes to Bush. He cannot be allowed even a millimeter to wiggle back into his rathole. He needs to be crucified, day in, day out for his crimes. After all, is he the Commander in Chief or isn't he? He's the one who wore the stupid fucking flight suit, and declared the war over. Now he needs to be made to eat every goddamn word, and pay for every person who's death he has caused.

I'll grab the rope......

:evilgrin:
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-03 05:35 AM
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24. That's right....I have no sympathy...
...I've been called "unAmerican" way too many times.
FUCK the warhawks. They didn't listen. They sewed the seeds. They're gonna pay.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 11:56 PM
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19. Agreed
what do you want to bet that Rove himself was one of the "unnamed sources"?
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 10:48 PM
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5. Certainly Sounds Like It
but it also gives added weight to the emerging negative consensus about the war.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 10:43 PM
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3. BULL F***ING SH**
Dubya knows what his role is and asking questions is NOT one of his duties.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 10:46 PM
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4. Bush Questioning Hard-Line Policies?
Isn't he ultimately responsible for them?

If not, then what the heck is his role as President?
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NormanConquest Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 11:11 PM
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15. We kept hearing Rummy was "doing a FAAAAAB-ULOUS job"
At what point did he cease to be so wonderful?
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 11:13 PM
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16. He's not a details guy
:eyes:
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 10:49 PM
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6. Nation Questioning Bush Gestapo Fundamentalist Profiteering Policies
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 10:50 PM
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7. Hey, who read the newspaper to *bush??
That slimy, creepy little idiot has never cared about anything, worked for anything or done anything on his own. Why should we think he is starting now???
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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 10:51 PM
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8. But, but...
I thought that Bush was great because he didn't pay attention to polls. What a let down.
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carpetbagger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 10:51 PM
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9. Does the puppet diss the hand? no.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 10:54 PM
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10. as if a puppet somehow has a mind of its own
. . . act/think independently of his handlers? I don't think so.
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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 10:57 PM
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11. Watch out.
Could be something too this. They are saying he got bad advice every day now. Could be trying to get Bush* off the hook.
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BadGimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 11:18 PM
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18. you dont get Off the Hook by
Edited on Sat Sep-20-03 11:19 PM by BadGimp
you dont get Off the Hook by admitting your team gave you bad advice and you had no ability to generate better ideas so you took thier advice.

That just makes you look incompetent...wait

This is making me dizzy

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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 11:01 PM
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12. Everything is politics or money for Bush
Everything.

The guy doesn't care at all about what's best for Americans.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 11:08 PM
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14. *cough* BULLSHIT! *cough*
Nice try, Karl.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 11:13 PM
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17. ummm...WHO'S Policies??
Posted 8/26/2003 8:51 AM Updated 8/27/2003 6:38 AM

With nod toward WWII, Bush urges patience in Iraq

By Richard Benedetto, USA TODAY
ST. LOUIS President Bush forcefully defended his Iraq policies Tuesday, amid a mounting death toll of U.S. troops in Iraq and growing demands that he solicit military help from more allies. "There will be no retreat" in the war on terrorism, he said.

<snip>
"The transition from dictatorship to democracy is a massive undertaking," the president said to thousands of cheering veterans at the 85th annual convention of the American Legion. "In the aftermath of World War II, that task took years, not months."

Though urging patience, Bush pointed to progress achieved in Iraq in a relatively short time: More than 8,200 tons of ammunition seized since May 1. Forty-two of the 55 most-wanted Iraqi leaders captured or killed, he said.

<snip>
The 34-minute speech, billed by the White House as a major policy address, was more like a pep talk. Bush's words seemed aimed more at reassuring the public and rebutting war opponents than at offering a change in tactics.

more...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-08-26-bush...
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-03 12:03 AM
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20. Isn't the president supposed to
question those policies BEFORE going to war?



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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-03 12:14 AM
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21. Listen up - here is their strategy...
There is a huge operation for whom he is a front man - a puppet. If they sacrifice a couple of them in a pretense that they are cleansing their white house of the culprits - that leaves 99% still in place.

This cabal is the most exquisitely organized gigantic war machine that money can buy. It extends to our intelligence forces, our military forces, all the little secret governments, the religious right, the bankers, the international partners, and one of the most important ones - the media. Disallusionment of some?...line them up -who are they?
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fizzana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-03 12:39 AM
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22. Here's my take on this
Cheney & Rumsfelt are like the bad guys in a James Bond movie - they're both evil and insane. Carl Rove, on the other hand is equally evil but is both a lot smarter and inderstands some of the realities of politics.

I also think they know full well that the situation in Iraq is bad and is only likely to get worse if they stay on the current course. The military in Iraq are putting on a brave face and the generals are "officially" being very optimistic. At the same time they didn't become generals by being stupid and the reality on the ground is a lot more of the same unless they more than double the amount of troops in Iraq, something that isn't feasible.

If things are the same or worse in Iraq this time next year Rove knows full well that Bush is toast. To save his Presidency, they have to extracate themselves from Iraq and save face at the same time. If they have to make sacrificial lambs out of Rumsfelt and Wolvowitz they will. The one thing they cannot afford is for Bush to take the rap and lose in '04.

Rove will do whatever it takes to preserve the Presidency. Of this I have no doubt.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-03 05:28 AM
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23. Money? Manpower? No....
"Abroad, these officials said, it's clear that the United States needs more foreign money and manpower in Iraq. It's also clear that America isn't likely to get much of either without sharing at least some authority with the United Nations and agreeing to hand over power to Iraqis more quickly.

If this is ever going to be solved, the Iraqi people need some legitimate leadership that they can trust. THAT'S why the UN needs to be involved- to get some traction with the people.
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kathee Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-03 05:52 AM
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25. Timely and Typical
they roll out this crap like the latest fall fashions.
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