Saddam in Talks with US?

[Nottingham]

Saddam in Talks with US? Saddam Hussein reported in secret negotiation with US forces for safe passage to former Soviet Belarus republic in exchange for information of WMD and his bank accounts. Report carried in London Sunday Mirror adds Bush adviser Rice is coordinating talks led by US Gen. Rick Sanchez. No comment from US sources.

http://www.debka.com/


:bounce: is this to cover Bush's BUTT!

Bush must be Desperate! and notice he isn't giving up the OIL WELLS

LETS MAKE A DEAL...BUSH!

[lanlady]

1. oh, come on.... Debka?

what a crock.

[Evanstondem]

2. That was my first reaction, but.

the other material on the site looks legitimate.

[IndianaGreen]

16. Debka is crock!

Mossad crock!

[Nottingham]

20. Two other Australian Newspapers printed same story! Crock???

I don't think so! Where is your sources that this source is false?
Instead of slamming an article saying its false show your proof!
If not Wake up and Open your Minds!



Sir Nottingham!

I also have read two other reports from two Australian papers re: Saddam in talks, but both papers use The Mirror as thier source.

Saddam negotiating with US: press
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/09/21/1064082854927.html

and

Saddam in secret negotiations with US: newspaper

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/09/21/1064082854516.html

While I don't find The Mirror to be more than a rag, how credible are these two Australian papers? Both AU stories are basically the same, and quote The Mirror and no other sources.

[Whoa_Nelly]

22. Reference moi :-)

to Nottingham's above message :-)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=125231

[Matilda]

26. Both these newspapers are owned by Fairfax,

and a bit to the left of Murdoch, but they pretty well toed the official line in the leadup to the invasion of Iraq and the immediate aftermath. If it was written by a credible journalist, I
might take some notice, but there's no byline, so they've just pulled the story off the AAP newswire. I'd take it with a large grain of salt.

[newyawker99]

44. Hi Matilda!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Jack Rabbit]

3. In exchange for information about his WMDs?

That (and, as Lanlady notes, the source) should be the tip off that his story is baloney.

Saddam's WMDs? Add them to the Fountain of Youth and the abominable snowman.

[DoYouEverWonder]

4. I thought they flew Saddam out

to Russia the day before Baghdad fell?

[Nottingham]

5. I tried finding the article on the London Sunday Mirror!

There is another source mentioned here beside Debka!

Ignore it if ya want!

Why would Debka want to let us know this info??

[DrBB]

6. Good old Debka--always good for a laugh

Still keeping up the "No, really, the WMD are there!" line, I see.

Don't think a grain of salt will do it with these guys. Whole boatload, more like it.

[Pax Argent]

7. Whaaattt!!!

Oh, Debka. Nevermind.

[Nottingham]

8. Maybe somebody can find the article! I had trouble

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/

[Whoa_Nelly]

11. The Mirror is a rag

and highly dubious as a credible source.

Probably a "Blair Support Plant" story.

[MGKrebs]

9. I don't buy it either.

Why in the world would saddam surrender? He's eluded us for this long. And does he really think they won't kill him anyway?

[Nottingham]

10. Good Point! And would you make a deal with Bush

I wouldn't !!! :bounce:

The only reason I put up these articles is to let people know the news being put out!

I find our News Networks put out Bogus information too

So yes take this with skepticism!

:bounce:

It was when I saw the London Sunday Mirror that I wondered

[Selwynn]

12. Why would he make a deal ?

Because if Bush could report finding a stock pile of weapons, taking care of Saddam, and closing the book on that, it would make a huge difference for his polls. Even if its all crap, or even a conspiracy -- my greatest nightmare is that Bush can report that we've uncovered all the WMD's and then say "see I told you so."

[Nottingham]

13. I agree! It would be very Ugly! Worth the Price of freedom for Saddam

:bounce: to save Bush's presidency

[MGKrebs]

15. That's all fine from Bush's perspective,

but no motivation for saddam. 'Course, he's a lunatic, and trying to figure out what's going on in his head is only worth the entertainment it might provide.

[Nottingham]

21. What if the Defense Minister says Syria has the WMD

That would put Syria right in the middle! I'm betting their will be papers showing they were moved!

Just enough to get the Republicans to go see he had them!

I can hear OReilley Now!

Heres the ? is the American Sheeple going to Believe it!

I know my Republican friends have been waiting for this! :bounce:

[Guaranteed]

35. Maybe that's why this crap is out there.

More Bush scare tactics.
Look, why would Saddam want to do this? He's got Bush exactly where he wants him: in a guerilla war with little to no international support and waning domestic support and resources. Saddam's forces, it's being reported, are getting more co-ordinated and more sophisticated in their attacks. Why the hell would he stop? His only worry is getting caught, himself, and that's the easiest thing for him to control.
Besides, he just shouldn't trust Bush. Bush I betrayed him, why wouldn't Bush II?
Saddam has absolutely no good reason to try for any "deals" with Bush. That's the stupidest thing you can do when you have the upper hand.

[pansypoo53219]

14. but Bushit

needs him dead, not gone.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

17. ?????eyes?????shrug????WTF?????

If saddam was on the phone with these guys there would be a cruise missile up his butt before he could hang up.
But seeing as Saddam knows this he wouldn't do this so....WTF?

[PartyPooper]

18. But, everyone knows that Saddam is in Baghdad

...in the zoo enjoying cocktails with the U.S. troops.

He will be released and interviewed by Barbara Walters in time for the 2004 election!

:smoke:

[Nottingham]

19. For all those Slammers who said this was false LOOK!

Saddam Hussein's defense minister surrenders to U.S. troops
Saturday, September 20, 2003

By SCHEHEREZADE FARAMARZI
Associated Press Writer

MOSUL, Iraq -- Saddam Hussein's defense minister surrendered to U.S. forces Friday after lengthy negotiations the Americans hope will convince other former soldiers to abandon support for the ousted regime. U.S. soldiers beat back Saddam loyalists after some of the fiercest and best-coordinated attacks by the insurgents in months.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=125231

Notice the line Lengthy NEGOTATIONS! ......Get Ready I bet he knows where the Weapons of Mass Destruction are??

[FlemingsGhost]

23. Guess we do deal with "terrorists," afterall.

According to their own standards, the "War on Terrorism" has been lost.

"With or against," remember?

"Anyone harboring or conducting business with a terrorist ... is a terrorist."

[Whoa_Nelly]

24. Good point, Dems :-)

Now, if only the US public would wake up and stop believing that until their wall falls in their house, all is right with the world. Georgi-ola a terrorist??? OMG, no! He's helping get rid of the evil with his Do-It-Right-The-First-Time methods that will make the entire world free and tax-cuts will serve to make for a stronger American dollar! WHeeee (now what about, NK, Liberia, Palestine....????)

[AmericaInWonderland]

25. Ends justifies means

It doesn't matter. As long as America wakes up in morning and Bush gives them proof of WMD -- America won't care how he got the proof, Saddam or not.

Personally I don't care. Reconstruction is still costing us our future; North Korea and Iran are still moving ahead with their nuke programs knowing our military is stretched too thin; Terrorists are recruiting and plotting more so now that their fears of American imperialism are justisfied; Much of Europe and Asia still hate us. ugh.

We could have handled this so much better.

[Whoa_Nelly]

33. Welcome

to DU, AmericaInWonderland! :hi:
(My post above yours was pure sarcasm }( )

[Guaranteed]

37. How many Iraqi officials have we gotten...

....that were supposed to know where the damned WMD are? The press secretary was supposed to know for SURE. We got him months ago. No WMD.

[DrBB]

38. Sorry, I think there's a world of difference between this

... and the claim that Saddam is involved in similar negotiations. And Debka is NOT trustworthy in my book. It's not impossible for them to be right about something once in a while, but I'd never take their word on anything this radical if I hadn't seen it elsewhere. They have been promising massive WMD discoveries, among other things, long after that was tenable.

edit: clarification

[expatriot]

27. the day we get Saddam --- the Shiites will rise up en masse...

the only thing that is holding the Shiites in the south make from all out war against the US is the very that if the US left Saddam would refill the vacuum... without the fear of Saddam's return, the Shiites will be free to go medieval on our asses.

[Sagan]

28. that is an EXCELLENT point...

I think Chimpy is doomed even worse if we do get Saddam. All the morans will think it's a final victory...then comes the REAL bloodbath in Iraq when the Shi'ites revolt.

[warrior1]

29. Oh please. nt

.

[rocktivity]

30. It makes absolutely no sense

Why would Saddam suddenly break down and surrender now--tenhnically, he's winning! This story is some kind of plant.


rocknation

[virtualobserver]

32. especially since Saddam knows that Bush would love to kill him...

Saddam would never trust Bush. His survival is based on not trusting anyone. Definitely disinfo.

[jenk]

31. Drudge is running with this story

more made up bullshit

[Nottingham]

34. Did ya all see Angels article! They have the Defense Minister!

and are letting him go free after his spilling of the beans!

They are negotiating!

deals!.............thats the facts!

:bounce:

One thing is for sure! They need those WMD!

[KennedyGuy]

36. Debka and reuters are saying that

the military is denying the story. I tend to doubt this. If it were true the Bushies would be trumpeting this all over the place.

[Nottingham]

39. Trumpeting that Bush is negotiating with Terrorists!

I don't think so! We will wait and see but the WMD will be coming shortly! Nobody gives Saddam's Defense Minister freedom for nothing!

He had something they wanted and thats the deal!

Bush would deal with the devil! He thinks if ya have enough money you can buy the man if not kill him!

But their is always the deal!

:bounce:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

40. What nonsense. There are NO WMDs.

[Nottingham]

41. I agree! But why give the Defense Minister of saddam! Freedom!

Perhaps he has information or can write a piece of paper that says where they are? I'm thinking Syria!

Bush is desperate! He will do ANYTHINg at this point!

But I really believe if he did find them Nobody would believe him anyway! ....just Republican Sheeple!

Get ready it maybe coming! You don't give Defense Minister's their freedom for nothing!!! :bounce:

[newyawker99]

45. Hi KenndeyGuy!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Nottingham]

42. Oh lookie Military denies this story by the London Mirror!

U.S. Military Denies Report of Saddam Exile Offer

Lt. Col. William MacDonald, spokesman for the U.S. Army's 4th Infantry Division which controls Tikrit north of the Iraqi capital Baghdad, said the story was wrong.

more:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&ncid=578&e=1&u=/nm/20030921/ts_nm/iraq_saddam_dc


Salin's story being discussed here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=125702

[Nottingham]

43. I would like to hear the denial from a General Sanchez rather than

a Lt.Colonel! the Denial would carry more weight! :bounce:

and we know negotiations are being conducted cause of the Defense Prime Ministers deal!


:tinfoilhat: