BBC: Iran, Syria 'form common front'

[Cooley Hurd]

...against threats against both nations.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4270859.stm

<snip>
Iran and Syria say they are to form a common front to face challenges and threats from overseas.
"We are ready to help Syria on all grounds to confront threats," Iranian Vice-President Mohammad Reza Aref said after meeting Syrian PM Naji al-Otari.

Both countries are under intense US pressure, with Washington accusing Tehran of seeking nuclear weapons.

US tensions with Syria have soared since the apparent suicide attack that killed former Lebanese PM Rafik Hariri.
</snip>

[Misunderestimator]

1. Lots of Links popping up... you beat me to posting this...

http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=Breaking&storyId=991506&tw=wn_wire_story
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=504257
http://olympics.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=7647335
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4270859.stm


(edited to add more links, and remove the google/geico link :))

[sniffa]

5. geico sues googLe!?

noooo, it's WW3

[Misunderestimator]

9. LOL wtf....

I have no idea how that ended up there... :)

[scarletlib]

2. george is truly a uniter and not a divider

[Freedom_from_Chains]

13. george is truly a uniter and not a divider

Really, bit-by-bit the whole world is slowly uniting against us.

[VegasWolf]

79. george is truly a world class fuckup. n/t

[Misunderestimator]

"A common front against America" just quoted on CNN

Nice...

[acmavm]

3. Gee, I wonder who they could be referring to? Maybe the country that's

declared that the right to attack any other country in order to spread freedom and stop tyranny and terrorism? Which, incidentally, makes that country a terrorist nation itself.

[DeaconBlues]

4. Hey, neocons. Your paranoid fantasies are coming true.

You dreamed up an "axis" now we really have to face one. Talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[rodeodance]

38. uuummm, this is indeed a problem

[slor]

6. Good Lord!

Osama must be in great pain...from laughing!

[Toots]

44. You really believe Osama Bin Laden had anything to do with anything?

Get a grip. What is your evidence that Osama has had anything to do with any of this? I say Peter Pan did it. You believe the Bush* administration but not me eh? Well Peter Pan did indeed have every bit as much to do with 9-11 as Osama did, and you can take that to the bank.

[Weembo]

56. That's not what they said or meant, Toots

Rather, Osama must be enjoying the Arab world rising and uniting against the USA

[slor]

66. BTW...

Thanks!

[Toots]

69. You guys are right... I hear Osama and go off the deep end...Sorry

:shrug:

[slor]

62. Easy tiger...

I will stand by my post, and expand it further, while you go get a grip. I believe Osama and every other person in the world that wants this country to fail, is laughing right now. I did not say Osama, lurking in the shadows, orchestrated the governments of Iran and Syria to band together. And where the hell did I mention 9/11!?! Indeed, Peter Pan must have paid you a magical and mischievous visit, and cursed your reading glasses.

[Toots]

70. Sorry didn't mean to be so rude.. I hear Osama and go off the deep end..

:shrug: I realize now you didn't say what I was inferring. I just don't believe the government about anything anymore and especially when it is about Osama. Just read your post wrong....Sorry

[slor]

72. Apology accepted.

I feel the same way, we are playing right into the hands of jihadists everywhere, and validating what they say by our actions, and the chimp is hailed as a hero, instead of the buffoon that he is.

[MHalblaub]

77. Osama promoted Bush for his second presidency.

No other president outraged the Arabians more than Bush.

You remember the video from Osama short before the election?

You knew probably what the fear in old Europe was about Kerry wining?
Sending troops in Iraq when Kerry asks.

Bush is Osama's choice.

[Sterling]

7. US-IDF vs Syria -Iran?

I think it mught be possible this time around. I fear the next step in PNAC will involve a broader war than we are expecting.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

18. Well

"I fear the next step in PNAC will involve a broader war than we are expecting"

A core component of the PNAC ideology is the idea of a winnable nuclear war. Each day I see us moving closer and closer to that eventual reality.

[papau]

8. Sounds reasonable - we wipe out Syria as an example to Iran - and wait

for Iran's surrender.

Meanwhile what manpower holds all the ground we will have "won"?

[Freedom_from_Chains]

20. Meanwhile what manpower holds all the ground we will have "won?

Yeah we might just come up a little short in that department. Can you say draft?

[Freedom_from_Chains]

10. Well this will allow George

to only have to come up with one lie to sell to the public instead of two.

[DemoTex]

11. That's the better part of Iraq's east-west borders.

[leesa]

12. What a big, big surprise. We gave them no choice.

[ClintonTyree]

14. Here we go......................

the draft starts next week. Our country is going to war AGAIN (yet) with not 1 or 2, but 3 countries folks. Can you say neo-con cluster-fuck?

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

War, it's as American as apple pie!

[sniffa]

19. it's pnactacuLar!

[PurityOfEssence]

61. Har. Chilling, but funny. Sigh.

Like termites, reactionaries never sleep.

[DoYouEverWonder]

21. I can't wait to see all the freepers

running down to their local recruiting office to enlist.

What happens when Russia sides with Syria and Iran?

It will be interesting to see if the rest of the world lets the neocons get away with this bullshit again.

[Toots]

46. Do you think Russia would oppose stealing other's oil?

If they get their cut they will be right there with Bush* and the "oil thieves cartel" Now China, that's a different story. They won't allow it I believe. China will aid Iran when push comes to shove.

[AFSCME girl]

23. Exactly!

What a friggin' mess! Thanks, George :grr: :grr: :nuke: :nuke:

[BlueEyedSon]

15. The Apocalypse is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[seemslikeadream]

16. What are we going to tell the children, Cooley Hurd?

:hi:

[Cooley Hurd]

24. Tell 'em to run like the wind...

...to Ottawa!;):hi:

[Ganja Ninja]

17. Exactly what, did either of these countries do to us?

and why are we going out of our way to find enemies and wars to fight?:argh:

[Wright Patman]

36. Hostility to Israel

is tantamount to a declaration of war on the U.S. in the neocon view of foreign policy.

[Charles19]

40. **** crickets ****** crickets ****** crickets

I think the freepers want war with them because Fox News says they are bad people.

I think it really is that simple. Scary, actually horrifying, but that simple.

The hawks in the administration want if for different reasons. I am just talking about the 80 IQ and below crowd watching Fox News.

There won't be war with them though, there is no way China and Russia are going to sit around and let the United States slowly get control of all the Middle East and Persian oil fields.

[txaslftist]

41. Re: What did either of these countries do to us...

Well, Syria doesn't support our good buddy Israel.

Iran took over our embassy and took hostages.

A better question might be what have we done to them.

Iran democratically elected a president prior to the Shah of Iran, and we (our CIA) assisted the Shah in a coup getting rid of him because he wasn't "pro-American".

A war against Iran has been Bush's end-game from the beginning. I've been predicting that the US would provoke Iran into war ever since Condaleeza started rattling US sabers at the Iranians during her trip to Europe.

[southernleftylady]

22. havent they always have had some kind of ties ? maybe this might be bushs

way to fan the new war plans ??

[ClintonTyree]

25. I wonder how Putie-Poot will weigh in on this one........

george DID look into his soul, you know?

I don't imagine this is going to sit well with Putin, and any other "ally" we have in the region. Turkey, Saudi Arabia....everyone is going to come down hard on Washington if they do something stupid. What am I saying? IF they do something stupid? WHEN they do something stupid, it's a foregone conclusion.

[Charles19]

26. Good chunk if not majority of Iraqi's would probably

consider themselves part of this common front as well.

From an operational standpoint if the country your basing your operations out of just had an election where the winners all want you out, starting wars with two neighboring countries might not be a good decision.

This administration doesn't seem to be about "good decisions" though.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

27. Freepers are certainly "excited" about this development

One must check out their insightful and intellectual remarks concerning this. (/sarcasm off)


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1344305/posts

[htuttle]

28. They better be excited enough to enlist

It appears that somebody shot a missile at something in Iran this morning:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1241717

[Freedom_from_Chains]

39. Them enlist?

I don't think so, it's much more fun to send other people off to die.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

60. WTF!!?

"Their 'common front' is going to be face down in the mud.
Unless these guys didn't notice, we've got them surrounded."

Must be looking at the 'official *-issued map, cause the one I'm looking at shows US (in Iraq) being the ones surrounded.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

83. WTF 2

Kind of boggles the mind doesn't it. But I think this one has it beat.


Not often in history you get to take out two mullahbirds with one nuke.
1 posted on 02/16/2005 5:22:17 AM PST by Samurai_Jack


Ah, Bubba, I don't know how to tell you this but Syria is in one direction and Iran is in the, opposite, other.

[truth2power]

86. Ok, I went over there.

Holy crap! Evolutionary dead-ends...the lot of 'em.

So sad..... :cry:

[thebigidea]

87. boy, what nice people.

"A two-fer. Who could ask for more from those murderous subhuman islamic garbage."

that doesn't sound racist at all, eh?

they even use Hitler's fav, subhuman.

incredible to see such hostility for no reason - Iran and Syria haven't done shit to us for decades.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

88. You have to look at it in the proper light

"A two-fer. Who could ask for more from those murderous subhuman islamic garbage."

It's so much easier to justify and commit mass murder when one dehumanizes people. Just ask any socio-psychopath

"incredible to see such hostility for no reason - Iran and Syria haven't done shit to us for decades"

Sure they have, they have, on more than one occasion, defied us, you just can't do that, after all we're Americans and we know what is best, because God tells us.

[Cooley Hurd]

29. And now Iran reporting they've been attacked today...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1241717

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6979561/

BREAKING NEWS

Updated: 8:48 a.m. ET Feb. 16, 2005
TEHRAN, Iran - An unknown aircraft fired a missile on Wednesday in a deserted area near the southern city of Dailam in the province of Bushehr where Iran has a nuclear power plant, Iranian state television said.

"A powerful explosion was heard this morning on the outskirts of Dailam in the Bushehr province. Witnesses said that the missile was fired from an unknown plane 12 miles from the city," Iran's Arabic language Al-Alam said.
</snip>

Jeebus! Are we witnessing the beginning of WW3????

[rodeodance]

33. Syria and Iran (and NK) feel threatened--and they are right--The US

has threatened them and they have seen what happened to Iraq and Afgan.

[quaoar]

34. Can't be American

If we were attacking, it would be a hailstorm of cruise missiles.

[AFSCME girl]

43. Jeez, I don't mean to be alarmist..

but this is scaring the crap out of me! :scared:

[Just Me]

Me, too. I'm afraid the neoCONspirators will get their world war.

:scared:

I wish that the "good" guys would bring these corrupt, greedy, war-profitteers to their freakin' knees.

[AFSCME girl]

80. I'm afraid WW3 is the direction we're heading in....

the worst part of all this is that we're just at the beginning of idiot *'s second term...he can do ALOT of damage during the next few years :grr: :scared:

P.S. It's actually making my depression worse...I have recently thought of making an appt. with my doc for an updated med review....

[etherealtruth]

90. At the beginning of the chimps first term...

... I, ignorantly, thought how much damage could one dimwitted president do---especially one whose legitimacy was questioned by more than 1/2 the country.

I could not even conceive of anyone doing this much damage to every facet of American life (not to mention the hell wrought upon those in other countries,: directly or indirectly)

[AFSCME girl]

91. That was not ignorant at all....

really and truly - who could have EVER imagined what has happened to this country, her standing in the world, and, as you said, the death and destruction wrought in other nations......:cry:

[Just Me]

73. Me, too. I'm afraid the neoCONspirators will get their world war.

:scared:

I wish that the "good" guys would bring these corrupt, greedy, war-profitteers to their freakin' knees.

[quaoar]

30. U.S. is demanding Syria withdraw from Lebanon

CNN was reporting that earlier this morning.

Syria should be forced to withdraw from Lebanon, but it should be the United Nations that does it. Bush is going to use Syria's occupation of Lebanon as an excuse to rescue the freedom-loving people of Lebanon -- and before you know it we'll be on our way to Damascus.

[LinuxInsurgent]

54. The U.S. and Israel

are about the last countries in the world to be demanding ANY nation to remove their occupations. Considering they got the two most flagrant ones right now.

An occupation for an occupation. Syria leaves Lebanon. U.S. leaves Iraq. Israel leaves Palestinian Territories?

Fair?

[Daphne08]

31. This is most worrisome,

but I am not surprised considering all the posturing that's been done in Washington by this administration.

Damn chickenhawks!

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[rodeodance]

35. Msnbc is now talking about this

[rodeodance]

37. "common front"--protecting each other (been in existance since the 80's

[rodeodance]

42. The US/Bush has no idea what they are getting into other than 'freedom"

[Mountainman]

45. What nation in the Middle East besides Israel has the right to defend

itself from foreign attack?

[emad]

47. US 'using spying drones on Iran' : BBC

Iran says the US has been flying unmanned surveillance drones over the country's nuclear sites.

Such spying activities have been going on for a "long time", said Intelligence Minister Ali Yunesi.

He said the air force had been ordered to shoot down any unknown or suspicious aircraft in Iranian airspace.

"Most of the shining objects that our people see over Iran's airspace are American spying equipment used to spy on Iran's nuclear facilities," he said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4269835.stm

[LinuxInsurgent]

55. Isn't this an admission of airspace violation and sovereignty?

That's "cassus belli" (cause for war) in any legal sense.

Why don't the Iranians do what the Cubans did with the "Brothers to the Rescue" planes? Warn the U.S....warn the U.S. twice...third time is the charm...blow the drones out of the sky.

What legitimacy would the U.S. have to claim that Iran had no right to blow their drones out of the sky? The U.S. would have no legal standing.

Iran should shoot the drones out of the sky...and be done with it.

[Nikepallas]

48. BBC-Breaking News (Website) Syria and Iran

"Iran, Syria 'form common front'
Iran and Syria say they are to form a common front to face challenges and threats from overseas.

Both countries are under intense US pressure, with Washington accusing Tehran of seeking nuclear weapons.

US tensions with Syria have soared since the apparent suicide attack that killed former Lebanese PM Rafik Hariri."

[Oreo]

49. Here's the link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4270859.stm

Not good... do they have a spot for N Korea?

Any relation to this story? http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3122383

[oasis]

50. Iran, Iraq, Syria, North Korea.The next Pentagon briefing with cheerleader

Don Rumsfeld will have charts showing Americans how we can "do" four countries at the same time.

[applegrove]

52. Venezuela & Cuba too (they were minded their own business but not anymore)

Rumsfield must want desperately to drop a bomb somewhere!!

[Oreo]

53. The Quadrangle of Evil

[applegrove]

51. If true - Not good! These neocons are idiots (why did they assume

that nobody would make any adjustments towards their bullshit)? Because if you see the world through the foggy lense of "Pride" as neocons think America should be (and hawks suffer from) it is a faulty emotion (which is why enlightened people looked down on it).

I cannot wait for tomorrow's news!!

[Kimber Scott]

57. I'm afraid.

Will anyone get these madmen in the White House to stand down? Or, at the very least, to shut up?

[cthrumatrix]

58. this is an "empire out of conrol" for oil --- no more diplomacy

[Kimber Scott]

59. And the cost of oil has skyrocketed since they've been in charge. nt

[applegrove]

63. Isn't that how Hitler got WWII to start? He bullied & bullied until

all Western European nations signed packs and became fronts. Then Hitler waltzed into Poland and Britain, Canada, France, etc.etc. were all at war with Germany.

Germany also was in the habit of going to war based on myth making, wedge issues and false information.

Someone do something. Impeach, impeach, impeach! I see an Alliance forming between NK, Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba, etc. etc.

[Minstrel Boy]

65. He didn't expect Britain and France would fight for Poland.

What he didn't consider, was that they weren't fighting for Poland. They were fighting because he'd given them no choice. Hitler had demonstrated that appeasement and diplomacy would never satisfy him. So a line had to be drawn in the sand.

I've been thinking for some time now, that a new line is being drawn. And if the United States crosses it....

[applegrove]

67. Yeah - that is what gets me. How the US is on the other side pattern wise

than England was at the time.

I know they were drawing a line in the sand agaist Hitler and I have been very proud that they did it (and didn't wait 2 years to go to war). Even if they missed the whole point about the genocided until the very end. They still stood up to pure evil.

[bin.dare]

75. where is the new line?

The Battle of Britain is about to begin. Upon this battle depends the survival of Christian civilization. Upon it depends our own British life, and the long continuity of our institutions and our Empire. The whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned on us. Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this Island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be free and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, "This was their finest hour."

Winston Churchill
House of Commons, June18th 1940

[Guckert]

64. The bible said the final war would be in the east. it just didn't say

THAT WE WOULD START IT !!!!!! Go Get em DUMBya....:evilfrown:

[meganmonkey]

68. Interesting user name, Guckert...

and Welcome to DU!

:toast:

[David__77]

71. They should form a mutual assistance pact.

If one is attacked, the other should come to their immediate aid. Doing so would go far to ensure peace.

[KayLaw]

74. Guessing about other countries

Does PNAC mention Russia? I know it names Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, North Korea and China. Of course, just because other countries aren't on the Bushie's hit list doesn't mean they won't be involved--one way or the other.

[Hell in a Handbasket]

76. i bet they cant beat US/Israel!

and i bet we'll get to find out, too. :nuke: :scared:

[reprobate]

78. Has anyone noticed that Iraq (US troops) are surrounded by enemies?

Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia. Only Jordan (probably neutral) and Turkey (could go either way) are not stated enemies of US imperialism.

Then add maybe a million Iraqis and you have 150,000 US troops surrounded by enough enemies to leave nothing but a red spot in the desert where US bases used to be.

If this doesn't start WWIII, it will likely mean the end of over a century of American expansionism. And ALL of it was to further American Predatory Capitalism. In Central America is was to help United Fruit. In the middle east and east asia it's to help US oil companies.

It will now take no more than a spark to end our occupation of Iraq. The only question is how will we react. If we answer with nukes to Tehran and Damascus, the rest of the world will unite against us and you can kiss America goodbye.

My hope is that the deaths of so many Americans will turn public opinion against the neocons and bush. But I'm not optimistic.

[catmandu57]

81. Who didn't see this coming?

We've been waiting for it for the past three years. It's time to choose up sides, and don't look for countries to sit on the sidelines to wait it out.
China, Russia, N. korea, Turkey, Kurds, they all have a stake, also India and Pakistan, hell the nukes will fly this year it sounds like.

[cynatnite]

82. Dupe

sorry 'bout that :)

[Ediacara]

84. Iran, Syria to Form 'United Front' | Yahoo

Iran, Syria to Form 'United Front'

35 minutes ago


Syrian Prime Minister Mohammed Naji
al-Otari, left, meets with Iran's
Vice-President, Mohammad Reza Aref,
in Tehran, Iran, Wednesday, Feb. 16,
2005. (AP Photo/Hasan Sarbakhshian)

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran and Syria, who both are facing pressure from the United States, said Wednesday they will form a "united front" to confront possible threats against them, state-run television reported.

"In view of the special conditions faced by Syria, Iran will transfer its experience, especially concerning sanctions, to Syria," Mohammad Reza Aref, Iran's first vice president, was quoted as saying after meeting Syrian Prime Minister Mohammad Naji Otari.

"At this sensitive point, the two countries require a united front due to numerous challenges."

More at Yahoo!

[Behind the Aegis]

85. Does this surprise anyone?

This is why we have new "terror threats" being issued! Now, should we prepared for another "terrorist attack?" The Arab world will ally against the US. I fear we will be facing sanctions very soon from the UN, then we will arrogantly blow it off. This mis-administration is VERY dangerous and is playing fast and loose with all of us!

[Mojorabbit]

89. even worse

The director of the US Central Intelligence Agency has warned that China's military modernisation is tilting the balance of power in the Taiwan Strait and increasing the threat to US forces in the region.

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/b5f01a94-804f-11d9-bd50-00000e2511c8.html

Just what we need. Let's pick a fight with China too.