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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 02:55 AM
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Poll: Seniors Key to Slip in Bush Rating (Bush Approval at 45%)
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/2005...

WASHINGTON - The public's confidence in President Bush (news - web sites)'s job performance and the nation's direction has slipped in the opening weeks of his second term, particularly among people 50 and older, according to an Associated Press poll.

Adults were evenly divided on Bush's job performance in January, but now 54 percent disapprove and 45 percent approve. The number who think the country is headed down the wrong track increased from 51 percent to 58 percent in the past month.


The survey wasn't all bad for the Bush administration: People are slightly more optimistic about the possibility of a stable, democratic Iraq (news - web sites).


The poll, conducted for the AP by Ipsos-Public Affairs, was taken after the president's State of the Union address and the elections in Iraq and at the start of a heated debate over creating personal Social Security (news - web sites) accounts.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 02:57 AM
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1. Dear me, how shocking.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 02:59 AM
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2. Being FREEPED as we 'post'.....
Below 3.0.... quite a bit below.

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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 09:54 AM
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42. Are you saying the Repukes have a problem with the truth?
Hmmm, I wonder why that would be?
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 09:54 AM
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43. Are you saying the Repukes have a problem with the truth?
Hmmm, I wonder why that would be?
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 03:04 AM
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3. Buyer's remorse.
Edited on Fri Feb-11-05 03:47 AM by intheflow
"I voted Republican, but it looks like things are going downhill," said Kenny Sproull of Lexington, Ga., who works in construction.

:eyes:

On edit: isn't it interesting how these stories are released in the middle of the night? It was released about 3am EST, I think.
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renaissanceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:41 AM
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35. The big question is
will they learn from their mistakes?

(/rhetorical)

http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues.15032002
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 11:44 AM
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52. Amazingly, this story is on the front page
of my Republican-leaning afternoon paper.

BTW, I have no sympathy for Mr. Sproull. If you fell for Karl Rove's bullshit, you have no one to blame but yourself.
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Betty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #52
61. Too bad the rest of us have to live
with their assholish voting choice
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #3
72. it LOOKS LIKE things are going down hill??
On behalf of America's children, thanks a heap for realizing this after the elections.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 03:45 PM
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73. Well, aren't you a dumbass, Kenny?
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 03:09 AM
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4. more proof that Gallup is propaganda
Edited on Fri Feb-11-05 03:12 AM by sonicx
poll says most people disappove on Iraq, domestic, and economic handling.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:54 PM
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63. 45% for a repuke AP poll is freaking pathetic.
Wonder what reality is then, 25%?
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:03 AM
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5. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAW!!!!!!! GOD BLESS AMERICA as they AWAKE!
...54 percent disapprove and 45 percent approve. The number who think the country is headed down the wrong track increased from 51 percent to 58 percent in the past month.

...only four in 10 in the poll said they approved of Bush's handling of domestic policy in general. And a majority of people disapproved of his handling of the economy.

Just over four in 10, 42 percent, said they approved of the president's handling of Iraq, while 57 percent disapproved.

*Special Edition of Large Font for a Very Special Occasion.




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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:05 AM
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6. Where do I sign the recall petition?
Oh, I guess that's only for Democratic governors.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 01:49 PM
Response to Reply #5
68. ' the secret lies in the proles' orwell's '1984 n/t
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:22 AM
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7. It's being freeped big time
But what can I say? Better late than never I guess. It's up to all of us in the next four years to present America with a clear alternative as this man's approval goes up in flames.
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UL_Approved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:53 AM
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8. We need some counter-freeping
The fact that these articles come out late at night and get freeped down is sad. We need to counter this.

But this brings up the question? What is the big fear with the article? Surely, if Bush was elected by this country, shouldn't he be above scrutiny? (nudge, nudge...)
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 05:02 AM
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9. How do we do that? Is it the early morning's duty to kick up new articles?
How do we do that? Is it the early morning's duty to kick up new articles?

Kick :kick:
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UL_Approved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 05:46 AM
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12. I used my Yahoo! accounts to do it
Other people need to do the same thing.

There are only 400 and some votes. We should be able to get this to the top.

A listing of news articles to up-rate could be posted somewhere. It would seriously help.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #9
69. that's a morning agenda item for me every day
n/t
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 05:06 AM
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10. Too little too late, sadly...
Unless the vote was rigged (my belief, anyways) we've made our bed...

For the next 2 years Bush has absolute power and he's going to use it.

Sorry folks.

Take back the house in '06 and the healing can begin.
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 05:42 AM
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11. But didn't Gallup say he was incredibly popular last week?
More people seem to realize we are headed for the rocks.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 05:59 AM
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13. its current average rating is 2.90 with 503 vote(s).
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:01 AM
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14. If the elderly disapprove, this should be a key demographic for Dems
The elderly are "chronic voters." They vote more often than any other group.

If we can reach them in 2006, we should be able to make a good dent in the Rethugnican base.

My suggestion: College kids and old people should be key.
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Wright Patman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:38 AM
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16. The elderly are easily taken in
on the issue of so-called "moral values," particularly in the realm of homophobia.

I remember a deacon at my church getting up before the congregation last summer and literally foaming at the mouth while uttering a prayer calling on us to lift up * as he battles against the demonic homos who want to get married.
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #16
62. I find elderly people I know
to be much less judgemental than the middle aged people I know. I do live in NY though.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:12 PM
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74. I've been surprised by encounters with progressive elderly
I remember one lady who was like 90 something. She had a great big crucifix on the wall. She told me, "At my age, why should I care what someone else does? People should just leave them alone." So, she was against an amendment to ban gay marriage.

Sometimes living through The Holocaust can put things in the correct perspective, but not always.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:09 AM
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15. Yeah, funny how this poll has almost opposite results from the Gallup poll
Here is the link to the DU topic on the Gallup poll. I've always felt that Gallup's poll numbers were seriously off from what America truly believes. Now I know for sure.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:44 AM
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17. Gallup probably uses Diebold tabulators.
:evilgrin:
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 09:13 AM
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39. Gallup Poll Had 9% More Republicans
I was just going to post what it says at that link before I saw your post. Here is what it states

"Republicans: 378 (37%)
Independents: 353 (35%)
Democrats: 279 (28%)

When I received these numbers, I thought they were juxtaposed in error. So I asked Gallup to confirm them, which they politely did. I mean, why would Gallup knowingly use a poll that had almost a hundred fewer Democrats in it than Republicans, and think it was credible?

Sometime between the January poll and this early February poll, Gallup feels that Democrats have fallen through the floor amongst the electorate as a whole, even though other polls since the election show the Democrats retaking a lead over the GOP."

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renaissanceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:42 AM
Response to Reply #11
37. Gallup is just like Fox News
They either poll more Repugs, or they manipulate raw data in their own favor.

http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues.15032002
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #11
53. That was before details of his budget came out
I also think that poll was an outlier. Even if he got a brief boost from the SOTU and the Iraq elections, his ratings were NOT 57 percent.
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 07:56 AM
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18. Seniors aren't selfish pricks like their grandchildren are.
Who knew? Obviously Bush didn't. Apparently, people over 55 actually do care about posterity, so it doesn't matter if SS reform doesn't directly affect them.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:29 AM
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19. Poll Shows Drop in Bush's Job Approval (45% approve, 54% disapprove)
Edited on Fri Feb-11-05 08:08 AM by Pirate Smile
WASHINGTON - The public's confidence in President Bush (news - web sites)'s job performance and the nation's direction has slipped in the opening weeks of his second term, particularly among people 50 and older, according to an Associated Press poll.

Adults were evenly divided on Bush's job performance in January, but now 54 percent disapprove and 45 percent approve. The number who think the country is headed down the wrong track increased from 51 percent to 58 percent in the past month.

-snip-
Older Americans, especially those 65 and above, were most responsible for the declining confidence and approval numbers. Middle-aged people between 30 and 50 were about evenly split on Bush's job performance.

-snip
The AP poll did not ask about Social Security, although only four in 10 in the poll said they approved of Bush's handling of domestic policy in general. And a majority of people disapproved of his handling of the economy.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=4&u=/ap/2...

Gallup was wrong? What a shock. :eyes:

38% Right Track/ 58% Wrong Track.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #19
20. Well, to those people who voted for him but don't approve of him now,
DON'T BLAME ME; I VOTED FOR KERRY!

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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #20
22. Yeah, you numb-nutted neanderthals!
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #20
26. you voted for kerry? guess what, most of us did.
msm refuses to ask itself why does the majority dissaprove if they voted for him?

fraud and lies, the crooks are running the country.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:29 AM
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30. That may be true. But even so,
Edited on Fri Feb-11-05 08:27 AM by GOPBasher
Bush certainly got more than 45% of the vote legitimately, so there are still people who voted for him that no longer approve of him.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #19
21. IPSOS is bread to Gallup's crumbs
As long as the BFEE can get away with a 'friendly' poll service, they'll use it. MSNBC on now about the poll.
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zanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:29 AM
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24. Only a few days ago, it was a 58% approval rating...
According to a CNN poll. This morning, CNN reports that a recent poll shows Bush's approval rating at 45%. Curiouser and curiouser.
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #24
29. People are starting to understand his SS plans for them
and they DON'T LIKE IT!!!!!!!
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #19
23. Sorry, the Accountability Moment has left the building
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Alpharetta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #19
25. No problem. Corp media has 4 years to pretend Jeb will be different
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masjenkins Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #25
27. well, according to talon news and gopusa...
its all the AARPS ("arps"...as we call them here; we actually host the aarp local chapter 2 x every month)....fault. they have a "liberal agenda" apparently. snort. i guess 38F will be the new freezing point next.. new science for a new century. (damn that global warming)
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #19
28. Social Security "Reform" = Bush's Achilles Heel
If we can take advantage of it, we have the potential to make some very significant gains in '06 because of that issue. :)
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #19
31. idiots, last week he had 57% approval rate
this country deserves *

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #31
76. Yeah, WASSUP with that???????????
Gee, ya don't suppose that fifty seven percent was a BULLSHIT number, do ya? Naah, our polling organizations wouldn't make shit up, lie to us, do ya think???

I don't believe anyone anymore. I think they are all agenda driven shills, caught in a web of corporate greed.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #19
32. How is it possible for someone to win an election with such low approval
ratings? Notwithstanding, literally tens of millions of his supporters breathless await having their future social security benefits slashed so tax cuts can continue and his entire PNAC vision can become reality.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #32
51. it isn't possible
these bastards stole the last two elections
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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:31 AM
Response to Reply #19
33. 45% APPROVE
thats still way to many IDIOTS in OUR country! :wtf:
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 09:55 AM
Response to Reply #33
44. It is amazing to me that one single person would approve of this moron
I guess we really do live in a "Nation of Ass Holes".
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pauliedangerously Donating Member (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #33
48. Be gentle, my dear New Englander
"Idiot" is the first word that enters my mind as well, but then again, I don't own a television...

We are dealing with a sophisticated group of people represented by a modern-day Berzelius Windrip. You can't just dismiss people as being idiots; true, there are lots of ignorant people, but ignorance doesn't necessarily equate with stupidity. President Windrip is a prime example.

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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:40 AM
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34. Ha ha ha ha ha! - they can remember what real poverty was like
Edited on Fri Feb-11-05 08:41 AM by applegrove
Ha ha ha ha ha! - they can remember what real poverty and real evil were like and are not as easily led by the 'Palace of Smoke & Mirrors'.

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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:42 AM
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36. It's people like this that give me watery stools
"I agree with almost everything President Bush says," said Beverly Bowman, a nurse who lives near Phoenix. "I think the Social Security thing has to be fixed."

Sad that these people don't understand that Bush is not trying to 'fix' Social Security. He's trying to fix our little red wagons!
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LinuxInsurgent Donating Member (475 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:43 AM
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38. hah...
Edited on Fri Feb-11-05 08:43 AM by LinuxInsurgent
sounds like that social security ripoff scheme ain't going good for the Chimp...
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 09:21 AM
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40. Maybe those seniors don't like the idea of being played off
Edited on Fri Feb-11-05 09:27 AM by rocknation
against people under 55 since the SS cuts won't effect them. Their grandkids are another story. But as President Mightymouse himself said on the subject of being remembered by history, "We'll all be dead."

:headbang:
rocknation
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nodictators Donating Member (977 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 09:48 AM
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41. Bush intends to destroy Social Security with his stock market scam
Everyone will lose hundreds of thousands of dollars if Bush pushes the scam through congress.

Bush also intends to "reform" Medicare. So, forget Medicare too.

And then there is the Bush Flat Tax to take our savings and pensions.

If he's not stopped, the American dream, as we knew it, will be gone forever.

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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #40
70. as a senior i voted for my kid and my future
( i hope ! ) grandkids. when i pointed this out to my freeper husband all i got was the silent treatment.
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #70
82. You too???
My husband voted for the asshole, too and I take every opportunity I can to razz him about this stuff.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 10:06 AM
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45. BLAAAAAHAHAAA!!! Say hello to the Republican Party's funeral
* might do us some good if he buries the (R)s due to his ridiculous platform.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 10:14 AM
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46. funny to me that this poll seems drastically diff than cnn poll
the poll this week that said * had a 57% approval rating...of which i screamed at the t.v... like any rational person...liars!!!!!!!!
as a shoe was flung at nazi blitzer!

thanks for posting the ap poll....

p.s. the tv and i have not been on speaking terms since the shoe affair!! i intend to buy a box of chocolates and have a reconsiliation with t.v.,.. but not with nazi blitzer!

fly
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #46
57. The CNN poll had too many Repukes
and was done immediately after SOTU and before his horrible budget came out.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 10:16 AM
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47. But I keep hearing that * approval is at a 3-month high!
The people love Dear Leader.
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Bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 10:44 AM
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49. ....they voted for the POS
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 10:57 AM
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50. I knew USA/GALLOP Poll was lie...
They did the same things all through before election... always polling more Republicans and or fix the numbers to favored the Bush. I think, in 2006, Republicans will loose seats in House and Senate as long as we can get rid of the rig machines.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 11:50 AM
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54. Poll Shows Drop in Bush's Job Approval
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&nci...

Poll Shows Drop in Bush's Job Approval

14 minutes ago White House - AP

By WILL LESTER, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The public's confidence in President Bush (news - web sites)'s job performance and the nation's direction has slipped in the opening weeks of his second term, particularly among people 50 and older, according to an Associated Press poll.


Adults were evenly divided on Bush's job performance in January, but now 54 percent disapprove and 45 percent approve. The number who think the country is headed down the wrong track increased from 51 percent to 58 percent in the past month.

The survey wasn't all bad for the Bush administration: People are slightly more optimistic about the possibility of a stable, democratic Iraq (news - web sites).

The poll, conducted for the AP by Ipsos-Public Affairs, was taken after the president's State of the Union address and the elections in Iraq and at the start of a heated debate over creating personal Social Security (news - web sites) accounts.

Older Americans, especially those 65 and above, were most responsible for the declining confidence and approval numbers. Middle-aged people between 30 and 50 were about evenly split on Bush's job performance.

"It looks like people are reacting to the State of the Union and plans to change Social Security," said Charles Franklin, a political scientist from the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

more at the link
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 11:50 AM
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55. dupe
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 11:55 AM
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58. Oops- I missed that cause the title was a little different
my bad. :hi:
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 11:50 AM
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56. Hahahahahahaha
Somebody on a thread last week was saying that we had to try and convince the "57% of Americans who approved of Bush" of something or other.

My answer was to wait 10 minutes and the approval rating would be below 50% again. But this is faster than I thought...

His "bringing democracy to Iraq" bump didn't last long, did it?
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:05 PM
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59. now wait just a damn minute. I thought the chimp was in the low
50's last month and rising. now you they're freakin telling me he's not liked. somebody needs to make up their damn mind.
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LTRS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:07 PM
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60. A story of the MANDATE that never was....
Guess Bush didn't have as much political capital as the thought he did. LOL!
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 01:05 PM
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64. Just wait until the lousy Medicare prescription drug benefit , or its
inevitable modification cutting the lousy benefits, gets renewed traction with Seniors.

Their approval of * will go down even further, as will the approval of the 50-65 group who see retirement on the horizon.

The AARP may get a second chance to do right by its retired or nearly retired constituents.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 01:12 PM
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65. Does Zogby do national or just limited/focused polls? nt
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 01:29 PM
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66. Rate this story up! Current rating: 2.90 with 1667 votes n/t
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 01:46 PM
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67. Most positive report for Bush is...
"The survey wasn't all bad for the Bush administration: People are slightly more optimistic about the possibility of a stable, democratic Iraq (news - web sites)."

Just wait until Iraq grows into a full blown civil war.
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 02:56 PM
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71. Even My Mother voted for Bush now Doubts him
She voted for him because "he's man of God", "a praying man", "on his knees" now tells me to trust in God only, not man. She doesn't like the direction he's leading America to. Lots of Conversation Christians voted for him as if they were voting for God. Sad...

I voted for Kerry. I couldn't believe it when Bush won! I'm in very blue South Florida area. Who are those idiots that caused Kerry to lose in Central Florida?? :kick: (Mom voted in Arkansas, Red State)
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:50 PM
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75. Why isn't this blasted all over the news?
(Rhetorical question, of course, given the Orwellian obediance of the Rovian Wurlitzer...)

MSNBC. Not on front page. On political page. No indication of numbers in headlines. Here is the headline: "Survey shows slip in Bush approval rating / Support from older Americans weakened from past month". The first mention of how badly Bush has slipped is not found on the webpage until the forth paragraph, where it states "Adults were evenly divided on Bushs job performance in January, but now 54 percent disapprove and 45 percent approve...". If you weren't already completely disinterested by this paragraph, you might have read this as "Adults were evenly divided on Bush" and moved on. The second paragraph, notably ahead of the stats, states "The survey wasnt all bad for the Bush...". Geeze. Nothing like the news blast of the Gallup results. Aren't we glad we have a near-monoplolized major news media?

CNN. At the time I write (4:41 pm central standard time) there isn't even mention of this poll on the CNN main page nor politics page. Guess it isn't news (though Gallup was blasted in the main news block on the front page a few days ago).

news.yahoo.com does not list it on their main page, but the AP article is still available as a major news item on the Politics page, titled "Poll Shows Optimism About Iraq". You don't get to the bad stats about Bush until the 6th paragraph, where it says "Adults were evenly divided on Bush's job performance in January, but now 54 percent disapprove...". Neither the headline nor the first 5 paragraphs would likely motivate the casual reader, who might easily (conveniently!) miss the fact that Bush's approval ratings are way down and nothing like what was blasted for all to see in the flawed Gallup poll recently! Again, thank the powers for our near-monopolized media! No need for diversity, the masses surely will learn the truth (not!!).

I could go on. There will be mention of Bush's bad numbers as the day unfolds, but it seems to me it's not getting the same gleeful coverage we witnessed when the Gallup numbers came out. Go figure!
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KissMeKate Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 05:11 PM
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77. so the election in Iraq didnt produce a permanent bounce.
take that! jagoff.
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dzoner Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 05:18 PM
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78. Reply
I would bet that the powers to be knew the AP poll was coming and quickly medea'ized the gallop poll on all main media outlets for the mid week period. After a few days of continuous babble an the return of Bush's popularity masses of American brains are programed just as they were with the 9/11 Iraq connect, and thus its time to talk about other important topics like why Charles wife won't be the Queen and how the left crazies are making poor Mr G's life miserable.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 05:27 PM
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79. Even as his numbers go down, the Republicans keep getting more
power in the house and Senate. Do his numbers even matter? A huge number of Americans are happy to elect assholes. What will it take to start electing more Democrats?
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 05:38 PM
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80. The headline now: "Poll Shows Optimism About Iraq"AND rewrote the article!
Now the link in the orig post takes you to this:

WASHINGTON - Americans are feeling a bit more optimistic about the future of Iraq (news - web sites), a bright spot for the administration in an Associated Press poll that indicates many are souring on President Bush (news - web sites)'s job performance.

Half in the AP-Ipsos poll, 51 percent, said they think a stable, democratic Iraq is likely, up slightly from the 46 percent who felt that way before the Iraq elections.

"From what I hear in the news, it sounds like the Iraqis really want it," said Bill Harrer, a nurse's aide in Mason City, Iowa, who considers himself a political independent. "But it's going to take a long time."

The uptick in sentiment about Iraq was not matched by increasing optimism about how things are going at home.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/2005...
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 05:53 PM
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81. Gotta say I'm surprised.
I would have thought the SOTU and the Iraqi election "success" trumpeted by the media would be the precursors to a big bump.

Not a bad surprise, by any means. A nice touch to an otherwise horrendously crappy Friday.
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