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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:22 AM
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U.S. and allied forces staging space warfare games in Nevada
LAS VEGAS, Nev., February 7


Military and homeland security officials began a week of space warfare games Saturday involving representatives from 20 US agencies and three allied countries.

About 250 military and civilian experts from the United States, Great Britain, Canada and Australia are taking part in the Schriever Three exercises through February 11th. Details are classified.

Air Force Brigadier General Dan Darnell calls it a tabletop test involving military, homeland, transportation, intelligence and strategic command decision-makers.

The Air Force says the games pit mock friendly and enemy forces against each other in scenarios designed to test command and control of military space systems. There won't be any aircraft flights and nothing visible outside the base.

more
http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2910996&nav=8faO...

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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:27 AM
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1. This is not unusual, imo...
These multi-national war games have always gone on. There are times when they are held in Canada and, I have no doubt, in England and Australia.

I don't have a problem with it, to be honest. I wonder, though, if they will do what they did with that previous war game where the Commander of the 'enemy' used low tech methods and defeated the friendly forces so they dumped him and changed the rules. If so, the games are simply that, games. Grown-ups playing games.
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Blackthorn Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:34 AM
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2. ....
Well war games aren't unusual, but I think war games in space are. I don't think anyone is expecting a real life Star Wars, but something along the lines of space-travelling missiles, aimed and tracked via satellite, possibly even launched from space. Who knows?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 12:03 PM
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8. Hi Blackthorn got any idea what's going on in Sydney?
Clandestine project threatens nuclear non-proliferation


Sean Hobbs, Sydney

Looking at a map of the world, where would you expect to find a clandestine nuclear project? A project shrouded in secrecy that is attempting to make the process of enriching uranium cheaper, easier and more mobile? An attempt to develop technology that in 1981 the CIA reported could be used to set up a garage-sized plant to produce weapon-grade uranium anywhere in the world?

Its happening in our backyard, in Sydneys leafy southern suburbs. Silex Systems Ltd, in conjunction with the Australian government, is involved in a highly classified project to develop separation of isotopes by laser excitation (Silex) at Lucas Heights.

Silex, which is registered on the Australian Stock Exchange, is attempting to revolutionise the process of enriching uranium, using lasers in place of traditional centrifuge methods.

If they actually get it to work then they are sitting on some knowledge that is potentially incredibly dangerous, James Courtney, anti-nuclear campaigner for Greenpeace Australia, told Green Left Weekly on January 30.

Whereas no country has constructed traditional facilities for enriching uranium undetected, Courtney pointed out that lasers have the potential to do the job without emitting the signatures that lead to detection. These include waste gases, ultra-high frequencies from huge numbers of spinning centrifuges and the considerable size and power consumption of current plants.

It is feared that successfully developing the technology will pose significant new risks for the spread of nuclear weapons technology. The Stockholm International Peace and Research Institute stated as early as 1983: There can be no doubt that continued progress in laser isotope separation will greatly complicate efforts to control nuclear weapon proliferation. It is a sentiment that continues to echo distinctly across the landscape of contemporary global politics.
http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2005/614/614p9.htm


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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 05:01 PM
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59. The concern is satellite vulnerability. One nuke in ionosphere=blindness.
Edited on Tue Feb-08-05 05:03 PM by JohnOneillsMemory
This is probably what the exercises are about:


Look at this University of Maryland pdf presentation that shows the electrical fields of Earth and the ionosphere along with the results of one HANE over North Korea.
http://www.eisenhowerinstitute.org/programs/globalpartn...
(Univ. Maryland Eisenhower Institute Satellite Presentation)

In 1962 the DOD accidentally wiped out 7 of its own LEOS (low Earth orbit satellites) when it set off a HANE (High Altitude Nuclear Explosion).

The charged particles in the ionosphere killed their satellites and the DOD is worried that North Korea or Iran could blind the US with just one HANE.

So they are using the HAARP (High Altitude Auroral Radiation Project) technology to see if they can electrically vacuum the ionosphere clean and get satellites back in place in a short time.

DOD is also using unmanned aircraft over Iran called the X-45 which can be run by satellite.
http://www.janes.com/aerospace/military/news/idr/idr010...
(Jane's Military Aerospace News)

The internet is becoming more saturated with UFO stories and 'Grey One Alien' and 'Reptile Alien' Area-51 type stories to discredit exposure of DOD science projects in this area. The tactic is to post real science stories and mix in UFO's to make people not believe any of it.

This article explains how the electric fence to thought called 'conspiracy theories' was created to hide military projects and control the masses after the 1938 'War of the Worlds' radio broadcast by Orsen Welles.
www.mackwhite.com
(The TV Hive Mind)

This is why Fox TV ran the 'X-Files' and Tom Delay harangued Dems as the 'X-Files wing of the Democratic party' for believing that electronic voting machines were rigged and hacked. Which they were.
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:55 AM
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3. The WASPs
are stinging every thing in sight.

A portent of things to come? Will the WASPs survive?

180
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 11:34 AM
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4. So much for those "tinfoilhat" UFO "crazies"......
So....why are governments spending so much time and money to look into space warfare? With all of the latest mainstream media reports of UFO's increasing exponentially, can it be that all this "oh, there's nothing there. Nobody saw anything" attitude on the part of the U.S. military for lo these many years just be a way to try to keep UFOs off the hot burner?

There's a whole lot more to this story than just some exercises designed to protect cable TV satellites.

And in Nevada :wtf: ?? Where all the Area 51 "secret" operations eat up our tax dollars.

:kick: :kick: :kick:
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 12:10 PM
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9. You are correct Loudsue...
Edited on Mon Feb-07-05 12:18 PM by tlcandie
Star Wars is far from the nice things they say about it and its supposed innocent front. There's a LOT of scarey stuff involved and it has to do with the US controlling ALL of space and this planet with nuclear space plants to aid them in this endeavor for mining resources from other planets. After YOUR tax dollars pay for the exploration, etc., then it will be privatized for maximum wealth gain!

EDIT: Just one link... there's one from what I believe was a NASA scientist that is truly an eye-opener, but I'm not sure where the link is atm!!

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/FIT407A.html

Rods from Gods: The insanity of Star Wars
by Bob Fitrakis


<snip>
The June issue of Popular Science spells out the future of the U.S. military in a cover story entitled, Is This What War Will Come To? (www.popsci.com ) Not surprisingly, the cover includes the words Defense 2020: The Pentagons Weapons of the Future. This is a reference to the U.S. militarys directed energy program under the U.S. Space Command, known as Joint Vision 2020. (www.dtic.mil/jointvision/jvpub2.htm ) This is where youll find the stated policy of the U.S. military -- full spectrum dominance of our planet.

The projectile leaves the barrel at hypersonic velocity Mach 7-plus exits the Earths atmosphere, re-enters under satellite guidance and lands on the building less than six minutes later; its incredible velocity vaporizes the target with kinetic energy alone.

Or, if you prefer, your tax dollars are building a laser cannon that blasts from the air. Theres also the phallic Rods from Gods. These are space-launched darts that strike like meteors. Paling in comparison is, A gun that fires a million rounds a minute. The casual and open nature of the reporting in Popular Science stands in sharp contrast to the network news that insists on parroting and giving credibility to the Bush propaganda that the U.S. is promoting peace. Weve gone from Reagans slogan of Peace through Strength to the less subtle America Uber Alles.
<snip>
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DistantWind88 Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 12:11 PM
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12. What's wrong with mining other planets?
Not that I think we are anywhere near being able to do that, but what's the problem?
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 12:20 PM
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14. Before you ask questions, please read about it...?
Google it and find our for yourself? A lot of things sound good until you read between the lines at what it will take to get there and who will be affected by the actions.
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DistantWind88 Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 12:38 PM
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16. No thanks
I don't worry about hypotheticals. Thanks anyway!
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 12:53 PM
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23. Hypotheticals?
Who said anything about hypotheticals? Isn't that what Star Wars is all about? :shrug: :+
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DistantWind88 Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 01:53 PM
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25. it's not about "mining"
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 04:40 PM
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30. LoL
I don't think I said that was ALL it was about, but then again, I'm not giving the info away :+ I found the TRUTH about Star Wars myself thanks to many links within DU and I'm sure others who are SINCERELY interested can do the same.

:hi:
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 01:56 PM
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26. Well, mining the moon is the only way to use fusion power successfully
Edited on Mon Feb-07-05 01:59 PM by NickB79
Not enough tritium (hydrogen-3) here on Earth to power even one medium-sized fusion reactor for a year, but LOTS of it on the Moon. Mining there could be our salvation to clean, virtually endless power.

On edit: you said to read about what it will take to get there, so I assume you mean the high cost of launches and returns? Build a space elevator and cost drops dramatically. A space elevator is entirely within our abilities to build, or will be within the next decade with current nanotube research, and for less than what the Iraq War is costing us.
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 04:43 PM
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32. Yes, I did see a discussion within what I read about a space
elevator, but it was all very disturbing regarding the nuclear plants and what would happen if any of this blew up in space and how we would become buried alive on Earth w/o hopes of ever getting out or anyone getting in due to the debris!
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 12:39 PM
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17. "It did not happen, You did not see it!" Baghdad Bob
He may have been hired by the DOE for media spoksperson.

"There won't be any aircraft flights and nothing visible outside the base."



:crazy:
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 04:37 PM
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29. like i said -- ignore anything weird you might see for a while up there
:)
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 04:50 PM
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33. So that's it! Saddam was in league with aliens!
And all the worry about illegal aliens is really worry about illegal aliens!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 11:43 AM
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5. so, ignore it if you see anything *weird* in NV for a while / eom
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 12:11 PM
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10. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. n/t
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 01:50 PM
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54. that's a good one!
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ConcernedNonpartisan Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 11:43 AM
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6. Maybe
the current administration is preparing for a visit from God. HE has to be disappointed with us.
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Blackthorn Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 11:46 AM
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7. ...
I'd be too embarrassed if I were him.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 12:11 PM
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11. Really, we have three allies left in the world? n/t
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 12:32 PM
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15. LOL, well, Canada is not an ally according to the bush cabal...
Edited on Mon Feb-07-05 12:49 PM by Spazito
because we dared to say no to Iraq and called bush a moron and an idiot. The only reason Canada participates in these war games is because we share a border and not because we support any of the bush cabal agenda.

Seeing as MDS is a technical colossal failure, one has to wonder exactly how they will play space games with ANY sense of reality, I suspect they don't.

Edited to correct spelling error
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 12:47 PM
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20. LOL. Why do Canadians hate Murikkka? Must be that clear air
up there to see things so clearly!
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 12:12 PM
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13. The SDI-backed "Merlin Project" predicts UFO invasion for 2005
Who is behind - or perhaps, in front of - the Merlin Project: a "high-tech crystal ball" which boasts of a "track record of timely and accurate predictions"? The two names linked to Merlin are "futurist" Paul Guercio and "SDI physicist" Dr. George Hart:

"The MERLIN Project is officially born on July 4, 1989 after Dr. George Hart offers to design software built around Paul Guercio's Theory of Time. A team of SDI (Star Wars) physicists is recruited to design the MERLIN Project software, which becomes known as TimeTrak.

...

"In 1995, the MERLIN creators were approached by a Strategic Planning Office of the Pentagon's Joint Chiefs of Staff and asked to provide a long-range forecast and timetable for potential incidents of domestic terrorism over the following seven years. This "white paper" which was submitted in July 1995, included indications of a significant threat culminating in the Fall of 2001, which we now know to be the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center and The Pentagon."

What's MERLIN predicting for this year?

"At the end of 2005, something profound will happen...asteroid strike or massive UFO invasion"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 12:47 PM
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19. very interesting. nt
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kk897 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 04:25 PM
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27. Sheesh, I lay off DU for a while, and look what I miss!
Minstrel Boy, I sure wish I'd seen these threads before they were archived.

You guys remember that satellite or probe or whatever it was that crashed a while back? There was video footage of it all over the place. I don't remember anyone saying what I immediately thought when I saw it: That looks like Ye Olde Classick Flyinge Saucere.

I wondered if they weren't trying to pawn off a saucer crash as something more mundane because the media had somehow gotten wind of the event ahead of time. Then I wondered if it wasn't something more subtle, something like getting the public used to seeing such things in our skies so that when they start showing up more often, well, clearly it's a satellite. Really, it's not that interesting. Why even bother to look up anymore?

I also wondered about the whole laser beams hitting aircraft thing in terms of the UFO phenomena. Some of the accounts sounded a little fishy to me, at any rate, and just as soon as the gubment found something to pin it on--just people playing around, like the guy in Jersey--poof! The story's over. It always seemed like they were *downplaying* it in the media, rather than trying to create the climate of fear that so many here on DU felt was behind the coverage.

I've read parts of Dolan's (very dry) book... other contemporary sources... some classics in the field... I don't know what it's all about. But seriously, I never ever ever would have thought the WTC would just come crashing to the ground, right in front of my eyes. Anymore, I just can't reject anything out of hand. 9/11 really f*cked with my perception of reality, especially coming on the heels of what was clearly a stolen election. Never ever ever thought I'd see that, either. It totally would not surprise me to wake up one morning and see UFOs all over the world, a la Independence Day or Signs.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 06:32 PM
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39. Thanks - you may be interested in this from my blog a few weeks ago:
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/01/occult-hi...

I get into Aleister Crowley, "Lam," Jack Parsons, L Ron Hubbard and the dawn of the modern UFO flap. Quote Jacques Vallee a few times, regarding the apparent manipulation of the phenomenon by human agencies for social control.

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kk897 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 08:30 PM
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40. Minstrel Boy, thanks once again
Here's a question, seriously: what do you think The Big Picture is? I mean, there are so many strands of information that tie together, but it's really difficult (for me, anyway) to stand back and see the pattern in the cloth, so to speak.

I try to break it down to its simplist components, but even so it's like reading a Neal Stephenson novel (or trilogy). Maybe it's irreducible. Maybe all we can do is get little peeks and sidelong glances at What Goes On. Clearly, though, Something is Going On.

I collect all sorts of information and news stories from all sorts of odd sources. The web is great for going wherever whim takes you and learning some cool tidbit that might come in handy at a later date. But I gave up my blog recently, just overwhelmed by info, and besides, those of us who are interested in such things already have your blog and the writing of others on DU. There aren't that many who approach it from the Left, so--write on!
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:45 PM
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42. like you say, "Something is Going On"
Edited on Mon Feb-07-05 09:48 PM by Minstrel Boy
What it is, we can only make semi-educated wild guesses. It may even be unknown, in its totality, to those who seek to control and exploit it.

My study of this stuff has really taken me to places I didn't expect and didn't want to go. And I've come to believe the genuine phenomenon is not extraterrestrial; it's extradimensional. And it's not benign.

I think where all this - whatever it is - is going is a bad place. And I think we'll get there soon.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:37 PM
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43. I concur, I really don't see any positive outcomes in the near future
with this administration, not a single one.
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NecessaryOnslaught Donating Member (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 12:41 AM
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44. I hear ya MB
I just finished "the disclosure project" transcripts. YIKES! I've also been reading up on reverse engineering and seeding of certain companies with technology ala Colonel Philip Coroso-- Fiber optics, intergrated circuits, night vision, etc. The bending of spacetime using gravitational waves, interdimensional travel....and shadow government complicity ....enuf, my hat is heating up :tinfoilhat: :)
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 12:41 PM
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18. "ALLIED FORCES"? what are we in a WWII movie? Allied forces? WTF?
These RIGHT WING P.R. guys keep feeding the idea we're in WWII !!!
and we're stopping the new Hitlers (those awful A-RaBS who hate freedumb)!!

I think they all watched too many of those army movies when they were young--
that and cowboy movies and super hero comic books.
Booshy thinks he's a Super Hero !!
he's gonna stop "evil"!
Then he's gonna get out his army men and play WWI in the sand box.
And them he's gonna play Cowboys and Indians in his newly incorporated town of "Crawford" Texas which did not even exist before he "took" and I do mean "took " office.
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bin.dare Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 01:49 PM
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24. Allied = anglo saxon ...
... the exercises involved the United States, Great Britain, Canada and Australia. Hmmmmmm
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 06:26 PM
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38. Y 'mean Whyte paypole--?
hmmmm ---
we aginzt A- Rab paypole?
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:28 PM
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65. More specific - means those right with god vs those not right with god.n/t
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mulethree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 12:51 PM
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21. Modern space warfare
I'm probably wrong, because there's probably some space-based programs none of us are aware of.

But basically space = satellites

= reconnaissance, communications, Navigations

So space-based war games would be
- Disrupting the other guy's space-based comms, nav and recon
- Protecting your own
- Dealing with disruptions
- - - e.g. what if we can't use or trust GPS navigation?
- - - What comms back-up channels/protocols/priorities
- - - Filling gaps from lost satellites
- - - - Emergency Launches / orbit changes
- - - - Commandeering capabilities from civilian sats
- - - - Commandeering enemy/non-aligned military sats?

Any ideas what else?
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 06:16 PM
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37. think: China

There are only two or three non-trivial players in the military uses of space. Russia and the EU are not interested in serious conflict with the U.S. in a general sense, so we can count them out. Japan, Israel, Brazil, and the like are tiny players.

This is all about war gaming against China, which has two or three parts. China is quietly undercutting U.S. interests in the Third World and Middle East and using North Korea as a cat's paw- the design is to become the crushingly predominant power in East Asia, first by economic power (enlisting the Third World) and then squeezing out the U.S. as hegemon in the region.

Taiwan is the major object of any tussle between the U.S. and China. And in order to fight the U.S. (things may just boil over into military conflict)- either at long range, or in a way centered over the Taiwan Strait and Taiwan proper- some major part of the clash will predictably involve rocketry and all the electronic control systems and space-based intelligence systems creating an over-the-horizon artillery duel. Bush's Missile Defense system being sited in Alaska is "about" China's ICBMs, not the trivial threat posed by North Korea (but why one should deploy a hoax of a system...that's a Cold War ploy that's too stupid and transparent, really).

Why this is being planned and worked on...I dunno, maybe it's simply an attempt by the Pentagon to get back to basics and prepare to fight a significant eventual rival rather than become "transformed" into a colonial era army that fights Third World guerrillas in faux retro warlets that are just theater pieces for domestic political manipulations and organized theft.

I don't know what is actually being thought about China inside Washington's inner circles and by the think tank experts. It has to be something along the lines of: China is closing the economic and technological gap with the West in the next ten to twenty years in a comprehensive way, then facing two or three generations of its middle classes struggling through the ideas (political, philosophical, religious) that the West has for about three centuries- democracy, rationally chosen diversity, social justice, humanism. At this point, free speech and right of assembly are major problems- that means that mainland China in real political maturation terms is still enforcing de facto theocracy and monarchy.

Not that we are looking all that much better, formally speaking, but in the U.S. we're in a reactionary phase at present and in China they're in a progressive one, where the degree of difference and strain generated by mutual difference is smallest, the dynamic one of approachment. When that situation reverses- our nation's efforts should turn progressive again within a few years, anyway- it's hard not to see China starting to undergo the social and psychological turmoil that accompanies Modern ideas. About the only way the political leadership- few young people among them- can keep the country together is to go reactionary, focus on foreign conflicts, and to proclaim the West even more the source of all the Modern "problems" that are internally so divisive. In short, there's just as predictably going to be a reactionary phase and some large amount of gross hostility and blame toward the West among average Chinese citizens that's going to find political expression. Coming to grips with Modernity is no fun anywhere. For the time being, average Chinese people take out the pain of it on each other and only the Chinese elites focus their personal grievance with it on the West- and then only to each other and behind closed doors, at this point.

Modernity is ultimately what has forced or drawn the U.S. into all of its wars since the one for Kuwait...with so much of the world not half as far as the U.S. (which is itself clearly at 48.3% for accepting the Modern condition, as of November 2) it's predictable to Pentagon planners that there will be more conflict do deal with spreading from this general source of reactionary violence. There are going to be more peace-keeping/occupation missions, more need to disarm crazies and gangs, more suicidal fundies of all stripes, and a continuing run of reactionary-vs-conservative and post-colonial power warlets. The cynical and unbearable claims of group Electedness By God have too many adherents who aren't defeated yet for the thing to end. A direct fight between the U.S. and China is the largest single military engagement that is a realistic possibility in this present political dynamic, with China bringing centuries of grievance with the West to it as its most powerful fuel.

So the U.S. military wargames a fight in space. I don't like it, personally, and think it's all premature. OTOH my circle of friends, acquaintances, and relatives has a fair amount to do with higher levels of Chinese government and, while understanding of their dilemmas, don't think the present Chinese elites can restrain themselves from wanting and creating a showdown with the U.S. for domination in East Asia within a decade or two.

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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 12:51 PM
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22. some of the declassified training scenarios being used....




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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 04:35 PM
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28. I'm highly suspicious of US Space Command because of NORAD
Edited on Mon Feb-07-05 04:50 PM by bobthedrummer
and the behavior of the USAF on 9/11/2001. Climate change is now a serious problem. And the English speaking forces want to play Star Wars again.

I believe there's been a coup of some type going back to 12-12-2000 and the SCOTUS decision that installed the BFEE. But that's just me.
An American citizen and voter. I pay for US Space Command.

US Space Command
http://www.fas.org/spp/military/program/nssrm/initiativ...
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 04:42 PM
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31. I thought there were strict limits on space borne weapons systems.
How can we have 'space war games' when there are no space weapons?
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pandorasox Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 05:01 PM
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34. Bush administration has been working to trash that treaty since 2000
Along with most of the other international weapons treaties the U.S. was signatory to...

http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/ArmsControl/Spa...
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 05:33 PM
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35. I've suspected for a long time that *'s moon & Mars programs
are just a cover for getting weapons into near space. These programs are now sucking up all the money, and Hubble is going to take a dive into the Pacific because of it.

I'm really pissed.

I remember reading, I think on DU, that one of the new top guys in *'s so-called space initiative is a former weapons guy with no space experience at all.

Don't remember for sure, and don't know how to find it. Maybe someone here knows?
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pandorasox Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 05:55 PM
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36. That would be...
This guy. Former Director of the Department of Defense Joint Advanced Strike Technology Office and the Joint Strike Fighter Program.
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The Animator Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:28 PM
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41. So that's why they've decided to kill the Hubble Telescope...
Bush doesn't want Earth's most sensative telescope picking up evidence of the Imperial fleet heading our way.

The Impstar Duece Class warship "The Raptor" (Often misspronounced as Rapture) is coming to bombard the planet, steal it's rescources, enslave it's people, and leave this once crystal blue ball a charred and smoking ruin.

George has been in constant contact with the Supreme Commander of the Imperial Navy Grand Admiral Gawd. They have been communicating telepathically since the early 1990's. Bush's orders were to make the path clear for invasion by keeping the world in a constant state of fear, severely undermine our military by starting two wars and getting tons of our soldiers killed... and getting rid of those pesky towers where they planned to land in 2006.
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kk897 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:36 AM
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45. The Animator--ha! Good one! n/t
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 10:16 AM
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46. HR 2977/The Space Preservation Act of 2001 had an "exotic weapons"
section of the text which was not in the language of the revision HR 3616 The Space Preservation Act of 2002. You live, you learn.
Mind control was referenced in HR 2977.
http://www.raven1.net/govptron.htm
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DistantWind88 Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 10:35 AM
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47. Any place official we can see the
"original" langauge?
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 10:47 AM
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49. I trust the website of Eleanor White when it comes to documentation.
The original language of HR 2977 is right there.
You'd prefer a George W. Bush approved MSM official website?
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DistantWind88 Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 10:50 AM
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50. No--how about a congressional one?
How do we know that's the "original" language?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 01:24 PM
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DistantWind88 Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:47 PM
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55. Obviously, it wasn't
an "act" of anything, since there is no record of it anywhere.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:58 PM
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56. Here
Edited on Tue Feb-08-05 03:03 PM by seemslikeadream
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DistantWind88 Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 06:23 AM
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66. I'll try again
How about a link from a US CONGRESS page OR a link from REP Kucinich that shows the bill WITH the Chemtrails reference in it. Don't provide another link from a third party with something that looks contrived. If you don't have one, just say so.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 01:34 PM
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68. If you want to ignore the obvious be my guest
Edited on Wed Feb-09-05 01:35 PM by seemslikeadream
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 01:44 PM
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69. HERE IT IS LOVE READ AND ENJOY - OFFICAL GOVERNMENT WEBSITE
Edited on Wed Feb-09-05 02:31 PM by seemslikeadream
Here is a link from a US CONGRESS page and a link from REP Kucinich that shows the bill WITH the Chemtrails reference in it. Not a third party link from a third party with something that looks contrived.

"original" langauge?
No record of it?
Good enough for you?

You must go here first and look down the page a bit, hope you have the time
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/L?c107:./list/c107h...

Click on this
2975 . Space Preservation Act of 2001 (Introduced in House)



Space Preservation Act of 2001 (Introduced in House)

HR 2977 IH


107th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 2977
To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

October 2, 2001
Mr. KUCINICH introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Science, and in addition to the Committees on Armed Services, and International Relations, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned



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A BILL
To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Space Preservation Act of 2001'.

SEC. 2. REAFFIRMATION OF POLICY ON THE PRESERVATION OF PEACE IN SPACE.

Congress reaffirms the policy expressed in section 102(a) of the National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958 (42 U.S.C. 2451(a)), stating that it `is the policy of the United States that activities in space should be devoted to peaceful purposes for the benefit of all mankind.'.

SEC. 3. PERMANENT BAN ON BASING OF WEAPONS IN SPACE.

The President shall--

(1) implement a permanent ban on space-based weapons of the United States and remove from space any existing space-based weapons of the United States; and

(2) immediately order the permanent termination of research and development, testing, manufacturing, production, and deployment of all space-based weapons of the United States and their components.

SEC. 4. WORLD AGREEMENT BANNING SPACE-BASED WEAPONS.

The President shall direct the United States representatives to the United Nations and other international organizations to immediately work toward negotiating, adopting, and implementing a world agreement banning space-based weapons.

SEC. 5. REPORT.

The President shall submit to Congress not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and every 90 days thereafter, a report on--

(1) the implementation of the permanent ban on space-based weapons required by section 3; and

(2) progress toward negotiating, adopting, and implementing the agreement described in section 4.

SEC. 6. NON SPACE-BASED WEAPONS ACTIVITIES.

Nothing in this Act may be construed as prohibiting the use of funds for--

(1) space exploration;

(2) space research and development;

(3) testing, manufacturing, or production that is not related to space-based weapons or systems; or

(4) civil, commercial, or defense activities (including communications, navigation, surveillance, reconnaissance, early warning, or remote sensing) that are not related to space-based weapons or systems.

SEC. 7. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act:

(1) The term `space' means all space extending upward from an altitude greater than 60 kilometers above the surface of the earth and any celestial body in such space.

(2)(A) The terms `weapon' and `weapons system' mean a device capable of any of the following:

(i) Damaging or destroying an object (whether in outer space, in the atmosphere, or on earth) by--

(I) firing one or more projectiles to collide with that object;

(II) detonating one or more explosive devices in close proximity to that object;

(III) directing a source of energy (including molecular or atomic energy, subatomic particle beams, electromagnetic radiation, plasma, or extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation) against that object; or

(IV) any other unacknowledged or as yet undeveloped means.

(ii) Inflicting death or injury on, or damaging or destroying, a person (or the biological life, bodily health, mental health, or physical and economic well-being of a person)--

(I) through the use of any of the means described in clause (i) or subparagraph (B);

(II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based systems using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such persons or populations; or

(III) by expelling chemical or biological agents in the vicinity of a person.

(B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--

(i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;

(ii) chemtrails;

(iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems;

(iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;

(v) laser weapons systems;

(vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and

(vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.

(C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.

and here's REP Kucinich link again

http://wwws.house.gov/search97cgi/s97_cgi?action=View&V...

:eyes:
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DistantWind88 Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:30 AM
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73. Thank you
That was all I was asking for. What a kook Kucinich is.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:26 PM
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74. You should do a little reading


>>From a rural location in Alaska, controlled by "Big Oil", the US government is blasting billions of watts of high frequency microwave energy at our protective ionospheric shell which surrounds the earth. Their offical reason is "to see what it does". Several acres of Alaskan land have been dedicated to the construction of the HAARP array (you can actually find a picture of it online...)but it's real purpose runs from the practical (earth tomography (X-ray the earth to look for enemy submarines and secret underground bases)) through the hard to believe (transmission of electrical power without wires (Tesla's idea) through the insane (the complete disruption of global communications and mucking with weather patterns by shifting the jet stream).

This book is so well documented, often citing documents published by the US government itself, that it is absolutely convincing and frightening.<<

>>GREAT READ - While reading this is I had the image of Nichola Tesla sitting by one of his inventions calmly reading a book with his longish hair standing out on edge due to static electricity. PBS has a wonderful special on him that is worth adding to your library.

That said, this is a frightening book if even a small part of it is authentic. It makes some very good arguements for being "off the grid" and out in the country. In an age where people are concerned about global warming this is a very interesting concept - some of the HAARP technology can be used to heat up the ionosphere in order to bounce lasers off of it and back to earth. Some of the other applications being considered are also surprising. The should be a wildly read and circulated book. I am not a scientist and I imagine that some of what is contained here is probably hotly debated. Some of the work contained in this book and also Tesla have been written about in the science journal Nexxus.<<

>>The authors build a framework to expose, possibly the most, perplexing usages of technology in the 20th century. The reader would rather discount the implications revealed as science fiction, but the authors provide documentation, patent numbers and references. Questions are raised about the impact, not only on the environment, but the inhabitants of this planet. Left me seeking more information on Tesla and validation of his genius, and wondering where one could locate shelter if this experiment goes askew.<<
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/096488120...
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DistantWind88 Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:34 PM
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75. I used to be the PEM
for HAARP so I know the crackpot theories contained in this book are just that; crackpot theories.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:40 PM
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76. Yea and I'm William Cohen
:eyes:

>>Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nationsIt's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts.

Secretary of Defense William Cohen at an April 1997 counterterrorism conference sponsored by former Senator Sam Nunn. Quoted from DoD News Briefing, Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, Q&A at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy, University of Georgia, Athens, Apr. 28, 1997.<<
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DistantWind88 Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #76
78. Do you even know what a PEM is or does?
Didn't think so.

Time to go with play with your UFO models. Tell Gork we said hi.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:48 PM
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79. WHEN IS A SCIENTIST NOT A SCIENTIST?
Editorial: WHEN IS A SCIENTIST NOT A SCIENTIST?
By Hal Fox, Editor

One of the types of scientific action that has always puzzled me has been the rejection of new scientific discoveries. Here are some examples:

1875: Gasoline in the hands of people ... would constitute a fire and explosive hazard of the first rank. ... The development of the new power may displace the use of horses, which would wreck our agriculture. Congressional Record of 1875.

1902: Flight by machines heavier than air is unpractical and insignificant, if not utterly impossible. New York Times, December 10, 1903.

1910: The popular mind often pictures gigantic flying machines speeding across the Atlantic carrying innumerable passengers in a way analogous to our modern steamships. ... It seems safe to say that such ideas are wholly visionary. William Pickering, American astronomer.

1923: There is no likelihood man can ever tap the power of the atom. The glib supposition of utilizing atomic energy when our coal has run out is a completely unscientific Utopian dream, a childish bug-a-boo. Robert Millikan, Theoretical Physicist.

1937: Thus it appears that the cyclotron cannot be made to give much higher energies than those obtained thus far. Hans Bethe, in Physical Review.

1945: The biggest fool thing we've ever done. The atom bomb will never go off and I speak as an expert on explosions. Admiral William Leahy, aide to President Roosevelt.

1999: Commenting on low-energy nuclear reactions: How stupid do you think we are? My assessment of you and your colleagues is that you are complete frauds or totally mad. There is no known physical principle that would support the kind of results that you claim your technology can accomplish, nor is there any credible argument why there should be such a principle. Name of scientist withheld in hope of a return to sanity.

As a scientist, as an inventor, as the former director of a research laboratory, as a former missile system engineer, I do not understand how any person can call himself or herself a scientist and exhibit such a closed mind to new scientific discoveries!

http://users.erols.com/iri/ZPENERGY.html


Fermilab Experiment Prepares to Send Its First Neutrinos to Minnesota

January 26, 2005 -- BATAVIA, IllinoisScientists at the Department of Energys Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory will begin a projected five-year experiment in early February, 2005 by sending the first batches of subatomic particles called neutrinos on a path through the earth from the laboratory, about 40 miles west of Chicago, to a detector located in the historic Soudan iron mine a half-mile underground in the northeastern corner of Minnesota, about 450 miles away.

Neutrinos are extremely abundant in nature - trillions of them are passing through us at any given moment. They interact with the atoms of ordinary matter so seldom that they can pass through air, water, rocks, or people without a trace. Neutrinos from cosmic rays go through the entire Earth, mysteriously morphing from one kind to another as they travel through space.

The Main Injector Neutrino Oscillation Search (the MINOS experiment) will use neutrinos produced at Fermilabs Main Injector accelerator to probe the secrets of these elusive subatomic particles: where do they come from, what are their masses and how do they change from one kind to another? When the experiment begins operations, neutrinos in the NuMI (for Neutrinos at the Main Injector) beam will travel straight through the earth, from Fermilab to Soudan in 2.5 millisecondsno tunnel needed. In Minnesota, a 6,000-ton particle detector will search for neutrinos that may have changed from one kind to another during the trip.

The 200-plus MINOS experimenters will use the change from one type of neutrino to another as the key to discovering the neutrinos secrets. The MINOS experiment involves scientists, engineers, technical specialists and students from 32 institutions in six countries, including Brazil, France, Greece, Russia, the United Kingdom and the United States. The institutions include universities and national laboratories.

Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory is a Department of Energy Office of Science national laboratory in Batavia, Illinois. The laboratory is operated under contract by Universities Research Association, Inc. a consortium of 90 research universities.
http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/m-news+article+story...
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DistantWind88 Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #79
80. You miss the point
We MAY be doing experimentation--you're just looking at the wrong things. When you hear hoofbeats think horses, not zebras.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:03 PM
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81. BAE Systems Recieves $35 Million For HAARP Program
June 14 2004

Washington (SPX) Jun 14, 2004 - The Office of Naval Research has awarded BAE Systems a $35.4 million contract to manufacture 132 high frequency (HF) transmitters for installation in the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program's (HAARP) phased array antenna system. The contract was finalized April 19 with BAE Systems Information & Electronic Warfare Systems in Washington, D.C.

The HAARP program collects and assesses data to advance knowledge of the physical and electrical properties of the Earth's ionosphere. "We look forward to contributing to this critical program. This is an opportunity for BAE Systems to play an important role in expanding knowledge of the Earth's ionosphere.

Significant potential applications include long-range communication, sensing and satellite vulnerability to nuclear effects," said Ramy Shanny, BAE Systems vice president and general manager for Advanced Technologies (AT).

In 1992, AT was awarded a contract to design and build the Ionospheric Research Instrument (IRI), the HAARP program's primary tool used to study ionospheric physics. The IRI is currently composed of 48 antenna elements and has a power capacity of 960,000 watts.

When installed, the additional 132 transmitters will give HAARP a 3.6 mega-watt capacity. The HAARP build-out is jointly funded by the U.S. Air Force, the U.S. Navy and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA).
more
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/missiles-04zi.html


BAE SYSTEMS North America has reached a definitive agreement with Advanced Power Technologies, Inc. (APTI), to purchase the corporation for $27 million in cash.

APTI, a private company with headquarters in Washington, D.C., focuses on intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance exploitation and information processing for defence, civil and commercial uses. APTI's core competencies include radio frequency (RF) and optical engineering, communications and networking, signal and data exploitation and knowledge creation.

Other disciplines include microwave engineering; antenna design and development; optical sensors, plasma and shock physics; advanced ordnance systems; non-destructive testing; signal and image processing; and digital control systems, including industrial-based process controls.

...

Mark Ronald, president and chief executive officer, BAE SYSTEMS North America said, "APTI's demonstrated performance, growth and high quality technical workforce align well with BAE SYSTEMS growth strategy in network centric warfare and information operations.

...

About BAE SYSTEMS:

BAE SYSTEMS is a systems company, innovating for a safer world. BAE SYSTEMS employs nearly 100,000 people including joint ventures, and has annual sales of around $19 billion. The company offers a global capability in air, sea, land and space with a world-class prime contracting ability supported by a range of key skills. BAE SYSTEMS designs, manufactures and supports military aircraft, surface ships, submarines, radar, avionics, communications, electronics, guided weapon systems and a range of other defence products.

BAE SYSTEMS is dedicated to making the intelligent connections needed to deliver innovative solutions.
more
http://www.globenet.free-online.co.uk/index.htm


How and why was electronic warfare carried out in rural Tennessee?

From the known profile of electronic weaponry, the electronic attack upon WJKM appears to have been caused by a tactical electromagnetic weapon, emitting a directed electromagnetic plasma, beam, pulse, etc. at the target. Electronic weapons with this capability are known, and can be land mounted in a facility like the former power plant, mounted in portable facilities like vans, trucks, helicopters or airplanes.

Electronic weapons may even be space-based, on satellite platforms. This reporter has personally met with an Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon who confirmed the existence of such secret space-based weapons as early as 1977.

An alternative electronic warfare delivery system may involve newly constructed relays for the HAARP installation in Alaska. The potential tactical electronic warfare applications of HAARP are under investigation. Serious public interest researchers maintain that HAARP's electromagnetic energy may cause effects such as earthquakes, such as occurred on July 7 in Hartsville. Electromagnetic weapons have been used in tectonic warfare, intentionally causing earthquakes. Electromagnetic pulse energy accompanies most earthquakes. Research shows that ultra low frequencies emitted by the HAARP installation may affect the human limbic system, and be used for mood management and mind control.

The close resemblance of the Hartsville attack to other U.S. Air Force electronic warfare led to speculation that radio station WJKM may have been chosen as a test target for a clandestine electronic warfare unit located within the power facility, or to which the power facility serves as electronic relay point. The likelihood that the electronic attack was accidental, rather than an intentional military test, is low, given that the targets were media outlets.
more
http://www.ecologynews.com/cuenews31.html


BAE Systems is Europe's largest arms exporter. BAE Systems is dedicated to producing innovative and high-specification ways of killing and maiming people. Satisfied BAE customers include Saddam Hussein in Iraq, General Pinochet in Chile, and the House of Saud. Are you a feudal Middle Eastern dictatorship that tortures your political opponents - and innocent British citizens? BAE Systems says: No problem! We just want your cash.
more
http://www.angloarabia.com /

Carlyle Interested in BAE's Shipbuilding Unit, Telegraph Says
July 25 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. buyout firm Carlyle Group, whose senior advisers have included former President George H.W. Bush, has expressed interest in buying BAE Systems Plc's shipbuilding business, the Sunday Telegraph reported, without citing sources.

The paper said Carlyle hasn't decided if an offer would include BAE's submarine operations at Barrow-in-Furness, England, and the sale of Britain's only submarine business to a foreign company may be politically sensitive.

BAE's Chief Executive Mike Turner said July 12 that Europe's largest weapons maker is in talks with several ``interested parties'' about selling its unprofitable shipbuilding unit, which makes Type 45 destroyers and Astute submarines. The company hasn't yet outlined what assets would be included in a sale.

Any bidder for Barrow would compete with DML, which runs the Devonport Royal Dockyard, and is 51 percent owned by Halliburton Co., the oilfield contractor led by Vice President Dick Cheney before he returned to politics in 2000, the paper said. The U.K.'s VT Group Plc has also said it's interested in BAE's shipbuilding yards in Barrow and Glasgow, Scotland.
more
http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000102&sid=a ...

From The Sunday Times
Snip
David Leppard and Robert Winnett

BRITAINS biggest defence company has been accused by a whistleblower of operating a 60m slush fund to channel bribes to members of Saudi Arabias royal family. BAE Systems now faces a criminal investigation over allegations that it used Peter Gardiner, a reputable travel agent from St Albans, Hertfordshire, to lavish its Saudi clients with gifts and luxury holidays.

Gardiner has given details of the payments in interviews with the Serious Fraud Office (SFO). Speaking publicly for the first time, he told The Sunday Times that he had spent 60m on BAEs behalf. It was an enormous amount of money. Its more a question of what we didnt spend it on than what we did, said Gardiner.

The slush fund spent by Gardiner over 13 years from 1989 and 2002 provided a 170,000 Rolls-Royce, other luxury cars, London apartments, private air travel and accommodation in five-star hotels in Hawaii, Los Angeles, Paris and New York. Under separate arrangements, middlemen also arranged prostitutes for some dignitaries.

The largesse was extended to Saudi officials and members of the countrys large royal family who controlled the kingdoms arms procurement, the chief source of BAEs income over the past 18 years.
more
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1190953,00 ...

By Sylvia Pfeifer (Filed: 25/07/2004)

An American private equity group with close links to the Bush administration has emerged as a leading contender to acquire the shipbuilding business of BAE Systems, Britain's largest defence company.

Carlyle, which specialises in defence deals, is known for its links to the White House.

Until last year it counted George Bush Sr, the former US president, among its advisers. George W Bush, the US president, once served on the board of directors of Caterair, an airline catering company owned by Carlyle. James Baker, the former US secretary of state, and John Major, the former prime minister, both hold senior positions in the private equity group.

Carlyle has not yet decided whether its possible offer would include BAE's submarine operations at Barrrow-in-Furness. However, the sale of what is Britain's only submarine business to a foreign company could be politically sensitive.

Any bidder for Barrow will face competition from DML, the company that runs the Devonport Royal Dockyard. DML is 51 per cent owned by Halliburton, the US oil services company that used to be run by Dick Cheney, the US vice-president.


Analysts say one possibility would be for DML to link up with either VT or Carlyle to buy the yards. However, it is still not certain that BAE will proceed with the sale. The company has yet to issue a formal sales memorandum
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http://www.money.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml= /...

The defence firm and the slush fund
Robert Winnett and David Leppard

FOR the Saudi princes and princesses it was just another luxury trip to the paradise island of Oahu in Hawaii. Under the shadow of Diamond Head, the islands volcano, they enjoyed the run of one of the worlds best hotels while spending thousands in gourmet restaurants and designer boutiques.

The party of 50 people checked into its usual floor of suites at the Kahala Mandarin Oriental hotel. It has its own dolphins in a private blue lagoon, spas and beach butlers to provide face sprays, cooling drinks and sunshades. They hired a fleet of cars and after a few days travelled in a private Boeing 707 to another Hawaiian island, Maui, to stay at the five-star Grand Wailea hotel. The total cost of the trip in August 1998 was more than 250,000, including 25,000 on car hire.

For the Saudis, such holidays are part of the trappings of their royal status and influence in the oil-rich desert kingdom. But the trip to Oahu and similar jaunts are now attracting the attention of Britains Serious Fraud Office (SFO).

This weekend, details of the trip and others funded by BAE Systems, Britains biggest defence company, have been disclosed by a whistleblower to The Sunday Times.
more
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-1190346,0 ...


BAE probed on 60m Saudi slush fund
From The Sunday Times
Snip
David Leppard and Robert Winnett

BRITAINS biggest defence company has been accused by a whistleblower of operating a 60m slush fund to channel bribes to members of Saudi Arabias royal family. BAE Systems now faces a criminal investigation over allegations that it used Peter Gardiner, a reputable travel agent from St Albans, Hertfordshire, to lavish its Saudi clients with gifts and luxury holidays.

Gardiner has given details of the payments in interviews with the Serious Fraud Office (SFO). Speaking publicly for the first time, he told The Sunday Times that he had spent 60m on BAEs behalf. It was an enormous amount of money. Its more a question of what we didnt spend it on than what we did, said Gardiner.

The slush fund spent by Gardiner over 13 years from 1989 and 2002 provided a 170,000 Rolls-Royce, other luxury cars, London apartments, private air travel and accommodation in five-star hotels in Hawaii, Los Angeles, Paris and New York. Under separate arrangements, middlemen also arranged prostitutes for some dignitaries.

The largesse was extended to Saudi officials and members of the countrys large royal family who controlled the kingdoms arms procurement, the chief source of BAEs income over the past 18 years.

From:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1190953,00 ...

BAE wins 1bn Hawk contract

from the Guardian
Wednesday September 3, 2003
BAE Systems, Britain's biggest weapons maker, today clinched a contentious 1bn order to supply Hawk training aircraft to India, in a contract for which Tony Blair personally lobbied.
The deal, in negotiation for more than a decade, has sparked much political contention in Britain.
(snip)
Critics have argued that the sale lays the British government open to charges of hypocrisy, as it was pushing for a big arms deal at the same time as playing peacemaker between India and Pakistan over the disputed territory of Kashmir.
ales to India and Pakistan, despite political tension between the two regional rivals.

more
http://www.guardian.co.uk/india/story/0,12559,1034880,0 ...

400 boxes of documents --- from Travellers World

Although such hospitality is considered routine in some Third World countries, it is a criminal offence for British companies to pay bribes to overseas officials. Fraud investigators are also concerned about the way the payments were described in the companys accounts.
The SFO is now studying Gardiners statement, together with the contents of nearly 400 boxes of documents that he has volunteered from Travellers World, his company.

Last week Gardiner said his company had acted entirely properly. He approached the SFO in March and has been helping them and the police uncover full details of the slush fund since then. The possibility of a criminal investigation into BAE marks a new low for the defence company, once the darling of new Labour. It has fallen out of favour after being accused of massive overspending on a series of Ministry of Defence contracts.

Gardiners evidence spans much of the period of the Al-Yamamah arms deal, Britains biggest export contract. It resulted in the sale of more than 20 billion worth of aircraft, such as Tornado and Hawk jets, and other military equipment to the oil-rich state.

Whitehall officials said last week they were shocked by the scale of the alleged slush fund. The government is determined to show that all cases of alleged corruption will be fully investigated, but the case is highly sensitive.
more
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1190953,00 ...


UK arms firm's 60m Saudi slush fund
Police inquiry into arms firm's 60m slush fund

David Leigh and Rob Evans
Tuesday May 4, 2004
The Guardian

...

Files have been seized by Ministry of Defence police alleging corruption on a massive scale by Britain's biggest arms firm, BAE Systems. Payments totalling more than 60m to prominent Saudis are listed, a far greater amount than has been previously alleged.
MoD fraud squad detectives investigating allegations of bribery of a civil servant have seized 386 boxes of "slush fund" accounts.

Most explosively, the documents detail 17m in benefits and cash allegedly paid by BAE, which is chaired by Sir Dick Evans, to the key Saudi politician in charge of British arms purchases, Prince Turki bin Nasser. He is recorded under the codename "PB", alleged to mean "principal beneficiary".

BAE is trying to secure another 1.5bn of arms deals from the Saudi regime, following the sale of planes, missiles and warships worth 50bn to them over the past 15 years.

The documents list by name every Saudi official alleged to have received benefits from BAE in recent years. These include a number of military attaches at Saudi Arabia's London embassy, recorded as being provided with luxury London houses at BAE's expense.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/armstrade/story/0,10674,12090 ...

BAE Systems is offering its staff in Saudi Arabia an extra 1,000 a month in an attempt to stop the exodus of staff, one employee has told BBC News Online. The indefinite monthly payment follows a one-off payment of 4,500 in December after housing compounds were bombed in May 2003, killing 35 people.

The security situation has deteriorated since then. Earlier this month al-Qaeda militants beheaded an American engineer they had been holding hostage.

The British-owned defence firm made the 1,000 cash offer in an e-mail to each of its 2,400 staff in Saudi Arabia, describing it as an "emergency security payment", the employee said.

The employee said that people have been on edge since the housing compounds came under fire in May 2003 but that employees were encouraged to stay on the payroll to get the lump-sum offer in December.
more
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3837407.stm

Includes replies to:
"Are you an expatriate working in Saudi Arabia? Are you pondering to leave or is the security situation still under control? And how is your company persuading you to stay? Tell us your experiences.At the request of our readers in Saudi Arabia e-mailing us their stories, all names have been withheld"


US war system reaps $2bn for BAE

David Gow
Saturday July 19, 2003
The Guardian

BAE Systems, Britain's biggest defence manufacturer, yesterday secured its place at the heart of the Pentagon's visionary new electronic warfare programme, with a contract from Boeing worth up to $2bn.

It is seen by the Pentagon as capable of delivering a precise firepower that will dwarf the "shock and awe" seen in Iraq this year.
BAE's selection, along with Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and Raytheon, America's biggest defence contractors, buttresses its ambition to become a substantial US military supplier.

The company, at loggerheads with the British government, has made no secret of its ultimate plans for merger with the big US players such as Boeing or Lockheed, though talk of an imminent deal is too premature.

The highly classified work of BAE's two US units, one of them acquired from Lockheed and both run by US citizens, will be kept secret from the company's main British businesses under US laws, which forbid such technology transfer - a restriction that Tony Blair asked to be lifted in his Washington visit this week.

Jack Dromey, chief defence industry negotiator at the TGWU, said the plans would mean the end of a 70m project, known as Red Dragon, to build a repair facility in the centre of a new aviation park at RAF St Athans, near Cardiff.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/military/story/0,11816,100142 ...

BAE Systems enters agreement with Carlyle Group

BAE Systems North America has reached agreement with The Carlyle Group, Washington, D.C., to spin out its Imaging Sensors business located at Milpitas, Calif.
Imaging Sensors was previously part of BAE Systems Reconnaissance and Surveillance Systems of Syosset, N.Y. In the transaction, BAE Systems provided the assets of Imaging Sensors to form a new company, Fairchild Imaging, Inc. Closing of the agreement occurred April 6, 2001.
The core competencies of the new company, Fairchild Imaging, are in charged coupled device development and fabrication and electronic imaging systems. This company pioneered the development of CCD imaging technologies and has continued to innovate in a number of commercial product areas serving medical, dental and industrial surveillance markets. It currently employs 123 people.
"Fairchild Imaging is an excellent business. This transaction is part of our continuing strategic alignment to our aerospace core competencies, and provides Fairchild Imaging with great opportunity for future investment growth and success in its new commercial markets as well," said Mark Ronald, president and CEO, BAE Systems North America.
Under the terms of the transaction, BAE Systems North America retains an equity interest in Fairchild Imaging. The new company will continue to provide CCD products to the Reconnaissance and Surveillance Systems business within BAE Systems North America. Financial terms were not disclosed.
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http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi-bin/client/modele ....
UK: MoD official took BAE gifts
David Leigh and Rob Evans
Tuesday April 6, 2004
The Guardian

A slush fund run by Britain's biggest arms firm, BAE Systems, has been providing free holidays to a low-paid civil servant at the Ministry of Defence, according to allegations made to the Guardian.

The information has been passed to the Serious Fraud Office, which is planning to interview a key witness today.

...

The firm, which uses a battery of methods to persuade Britain and regimes all over the world to buy its weapons, has frequently been at the centre of corruption allegations abroad. The Guardian disclosed this year that since Labour legislated against bribery of foreign public officials, BAE has secretly shifted its files of payments to agents and foreign politicians into a vault in Geneva. BAE is also alleged to be using Swiss banks and offshore companies in the British Virgin Islands to conceal its transactions.

The Guardian also disclosed allegations that BAE has been operating a 20m slush fund to provide prostitutes, yachts and free trips for Saudis. This fund, according to the documents, also appears to have been used to finance the free holidays for Mr Porter. BAE has refused to respond to all these allegations, other than to make a generalised denial of wrongdoing.
more
http://www.guardian.co.uk/military/story/0,11816,118678 ...

BAE chairman named in 'slush fund' files
David Leigh and Rob Evans
Wednesday May 5, 2004
The Guardian

...

Sir Dick Evans, the retiring chairman of BAE who faces his his final shareholders meeting today, has been named in allegations concerning the arms firm's 60m "slush fund", according to documents seen by the Guardian.

His name is referred to in a number of alleged phone calls, emails and meetings. The slush fund allegations are under investigation by Ministry of Defence police.

Sir Dick, who also faces questioning on arms procurement by MPs on the Commons defence committee this afternoon, remained silent yesterday in the face of the allegations about him.

Documents previously seized by MoD police detail 17m of alleged payments to a Saudi responsible for arms purchases from Britain, Prince Turki bin Nasser.
more
http://www.guardian.co.uk/armstrade/story/0,10674,12097 ...

DRS Technologies Receives $23.3 Million Contract to Provide High-Frequency Radio Transmitters for U.S. Government
Tuesday June 15, 9:30 am ET

PARSIPPANY, N.J.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 15, 2004--DRS Technologies, Inc. (NYSE: DRS - News) announced today that it has received a $23.3 million contract, including options, to provide high-frequency (HF) radio transmitters for the High-Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP), which supports a U.S. government Arctic research facility being built to study the Earth's upper atmosphere.
The $11.5 million base contract was awarded to DRS by BAE Systems PLC (LSE: BA.L - News). For this award, DRS will manufacture more than 60 Model D616G 10-Kilowatt Dual Transmitters to fulfill the transmitter requirements for the HAARP program. Work for this order will be performed by the company's DRS Broadcast Technology unit in Dallas, Texas. Product deliveries to BAE Systems' Information and Electronic Warfare Systems in Washington, D.C., are scheduled to begin in March 2005 and continue for approximately one year.

"We are pleased to continue our role as a premier supplier of transmitters for the HAARP program," said Steven T. Schorer, president of DRS's C4I Group. "This award enhances DRS's position as a leader in high-technology radio frequency solutions for secure and tactical communications systems supporting the applications of the government scientific research community."

The high-frequency or short-wave Model D616G Transmitters were designed specifically for the U.S. government HAARP research facility. Currently, the ionosphere provides long-range capabilities for commercial ship-to-shore communications, transoceanic aircraft links, and military communications and surveillance systems.

A primary goal of HAARP is to understand how variations in the sun's radiation affect the performance of radio systems and to improve military command, control, communications and surveillance systems.

DRS Broadcast Technology, formerly known as Continental Electronics, is a global leader in broadcast transmitter equipment. It is the foremost supplier of advanced radio frequency transmission technology and the world's most experienced provider of the highest power radio broadcast equipment, offering a full range of products for broadcasting, military and scientific applications.

DRS Technologies, headquartered in Parsippany, New Jersey, provides leading edge products and services to defense, government intelligence and commercial customers. Focused on defense technology, DRS develops and manufactures a broad range of mission critical systems. The company employs 5,800 people worldwide
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http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/040615/155095_1

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DistantWind88 Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #81
84. More spurious
"googled" articles that fail to point out that HAARP, by definition, has nothing to do with microwaves. LMAO
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #84
86. Sholda tha show must be a gaffled player hater in tha house, lunchin
Scrape a lick, no diggety, trying to slow my roll, must be vexed about somethin'. :shrug:


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DistantWind88 Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:59 PM
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87. yep, thought so.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #87
88. yea, it's called street cred
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DistantWind88 Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:12 AM
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89. Or jibberish
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #89
90. It's only jibberish when someone posts without EVER giving proof
Edited on Fri Feb-11-05 05:44 PM by seemslikeadream
for anything that he says, in this forum or any other forum at DU.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #73
82. "Star Wars, Star Trek and Killing Politely" by Dr. Nick Begich
http://www.angelfire.com/or/mctrl/starwars.html

Interesting sources for this article. US military and mainstream media.

# February 6, 1998, Brussels, Belgium, European Parliament's Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Security and Disarmament.
# New World Vistas: Air and Space Power for the 21st Century - Ancillary Volume; Scientific Advisory Board (Air Force), Washington, D.C.; Document #19960618040; 1996; pages 89-90.
# Ibid.
# Department of Defense Directive, Policy for Non-Lethal Weapons, Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense, Draft July 21, 1994.
# Interviews in late February by Nick Begich.
# Department of Defense Directive, Policy for Non-Lethal Weapons, Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense, Draft July 21, 1994.
# Ibid.
# "Expert Meeting on Certain Weapon Systems and on Implementation Mechanisms in International Law", Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross, Geneva, Switzerland, May 30 - June 1, 1994. Issued July 1994.
# Chemical Weapons Convention, Article II.9(d).
# "Expert Meeting on Certain Weapon Systems and on Implementation Mechanisms in International Law", Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross, Geneva, Switzerland, May 30 - June 1, 1994. Issued July 1994.
# Discussion with Dr. Patrick Flanagan on August 2, 1995.
# "Expert Meeting on Certain Weapon Systems and on Implementation Mechanisms in International Law", Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross, Geneva, Switzerland, May 30 - June 1, 1994. Issued July 1994.
# "Non-Lethal Technologies; Military Options and Implications", Report of an Independent Task Force sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations, Malcom H. Weiner, Chairman, released June 22, 1995.
# Ibid.
# Low-Intensity Conflict and Modern Technology, Lt Col. David J. Dean USAF, Editor, Air University Press, Center for Aerospace Doctrine, Research, and Education, Maxwell Air Force Base, Alabama, June 1986.
# Ibid.
# Low-Intensity Conflict and Modern Technology, Lt Col. David J. Dean USAF, Editor, Air University Press, Center for Aerospace Doctrine, Research, and Education, Maxwell Air Force Base, Alabama, June 1986.
# Anchorage Daily News; "Future Weapons May Avert Deaths"; by Michael Raphael.
# Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense, Department of Defense News Briefing, Secretary of Defense William Cohen, April 28, 1997. Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy at the Georgia Center, Mahler Auditorium, University of Georgia, Athens, Ga.
# The Wall Street Journal; "Malaysia to Battle Smog With Cyclones"; by Chen May Yee; page A19, November 13, 1997.
# Anchorage Daily News; "Report Says Iran Bought Nuclear Arms"; page A-8, April 11, 1998.
# U.S. Patent #4,959,559; "Electromagnetic or Other Directed Energy Pulse Launcher"; Inventor: Richard W. Ziolkowski; Assigned to the United States of America as represented by the U.S.Department of Energy, Washington, D.C.
# Ibid.
# Investor's Business Daily; "Star Wars: Force Not with Us, US Remains Defenseless Against Missile Attack; August 25, 1997; page 1.
# Anchorage Daily News; "Army Laser Zaps Satellite"; by Paul Richter (Los Angeles Times); October 21, 1997.
# Anchorage Daily News; "Ex-CIA Officer Faces Charges of Espionage"; by James Risen (Los Angeles Times); page A-3, April 4, 1998.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:20 PM
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83. interesting history re the ownership of the HAARP patents:
On Nov. 3, 1993, the U.S. Air Force announced that the prime contractor on the first phase of the HAARP project was ARCO Power Technologies, Inc. (APTI). At the time the project was put out for bids, APTI was a subsidiary of Atlantic Richfield Oil Company (ARCO) and owned the patent rights to various patents pertaining to the HAARP project, such as those invented by Bernard J. Eastlund. How did a small subsidiary get the military contract for such a large project? One that was five times large than APTI's annual budget? The answer seems to lie in the patents owned at the time by APTI.

...

And the story gets more involved. After the HAARP contact was awarded to APTI, APTI was sold to E-Systems in June 1994, under undisclosed terms. That is interesting in that APTI is reported to have shown no net income since it opened in the late 1980's. E-Systems changed the name of the company to Advanced Power Technologies Incorporated (a different APTI, yet the same spelling as in the patents), and assumed control of the patents and the HAARP project. E-systems is also one of the largest intelligence contractors in the U.S. The value in this sale seems to be the patents and the HAARP contract.

In 1995, Raytheon Corporation was reported to have bought and acquired E-Systems for $2.3 Billion (Wall Street Journal, 1995). Raytheon is a very large company with several large military contacts, some of course classified. What is Raytheon doing with HAARP? The value of the HAARP program may only be found in its patents.
http://www.padrak.com/ine/HAARP97.html


And the relevant APTI patents:


U.S. Patent 4686605:
Method And Apparatus For Altering A Region In The Earth's Atmosphere, Ionosphere, And/Or Magnetosphere
Inventors: Eastlund; Bernard J., Spring, TX
Assignees: APTI, Inc., Los Angeles, CA
Issued: Aug. 11, 1987
Filed: Jan. 10, 1985

U.S. Patent 5038664:
Method For Producing A Shell Of Relativistic Particles At An Altitude Above The Earth's Surface
Inventors: Eastlund; Bernard J., Spring, TX
Assignees: APTI, Inc., Washington, DC
Issued: Aug. 13, 1991
Filed: Jan. 10, 1985

U.S. Patent 4712155:
Method And Apparatus For Creating An Artificial Electron Cyclotron Heating Region Of Plasma
Inventors: Eastlund; Bernard J., Spring, TX
Ramo; Simon, Beverly Hills, CA
Assignees: APTI, Inc., Los Angeles, CA
Issued: Dec. 8, 1987
Filed: Jan. 28, 1985

U.S. Patent 5068669:
Power Beaming System
Inventors: Koert; Peter, Washington, DC
Cha; James T., Fairfax, VA
Assignees: APTI, Inc., Washington, DC
Issued: Nov. 26, 1991
Filed: Sep. 1, 1988

U.S. Patent 5218374:
Power Beaming System With Printer Circuit Radiating Elements Having Resonating Cavities
Inventors: Koert; Peter, Washington, DC
Cha; James T., Fairfax, VA
Assignees: APTI, Inc., Washington, DC
Issued: June 8, 1993
Filed: Oct. 10, 1989

U.S. Patent 5293176:
Folded Cross Grid Dipole Antenna Element
Inventors: Elliot; Paul G., Vienna, VA
Assignees: APTI, Inc., Washington, DC
Issued: Mar. 8, 1994
Filed: Nov. 18, 1991

U.S. Patent 5202689:
Lightweight Focusing Reflector For Space
Inventors: Bussard; Robert W., Manassas, VA
Wallace; Thomas H., Gainesville, FL
Assignees: APTI, Inc., Washington, DC
Issued: Apr. 13, 1993
Filed: Aug. 23, 1991

U.S. Patent 5041834:
Artificial Ionospheric Mirror Composed Of A Plasma Layer Which Can Be Tilted
Inventors: Koert; Peter, Washington, DC
Assignees: APTI, Inc., Washington, DC
Issued: Aug. 20, 1991
Filed: May. 17, 1990

U.S. Patent 4999637:
Creation Of Artificial Ionization Clouds Above The Earth
Inventors: Bass; Ronald M., Houston, TX
Assignees: APTI, Inc., Washington, DC
Issued: Mar. 12, 1991
Filed: May. 14, 1987

U.S. Patent 4954709:
High Resolution Directional Gamma Ray Detector
Inventors: Zigler; Arie, Rishon Le Zion, Israel
Eisen; Yosset, Rishon Le Zion, Israel
Assignees: APTI, Inc., Washington, DC
Issued: Sep. 4, 1990
Filed: Aug. 16, 1989

U.S. Patent 4817495:
Defense System For Discriminating Between Objects In Space
Inventors: Drobot; Adam T., Annandale, VA
Assignees: APTI, Inc., Los Angeles, CA
Issued: Apr. 4, 1989
Filed: Jul. 7, 1986

U.S. Patent 4873928:
Nuclear-Sized Explosions Without Radiation
Inventors: Lowther; Frank E., Plano, TX
Assignees: APTI, Inc., Los Angeles, CA
Issued: Oct. 17, 1989
Filed: June 15, 1987

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 10:43 AM
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48. Microwaving Iraq: US Resorts to Electromagnetic Warfare
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:00 AM
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51. UC Regents lose control of nuclear weapons program
Five admirals, Carlyle Group and Rand take over

Part 1

by Leuren Moret

I think some of these folks would put nuclear tips on ice cream cones if they could. - U.S. Rep. Ellen Tauscher, D-Calif., on efforts by Bush administration officials to repeal a research ban on low-yield nuclear weapons, quoted in Global Security Newswire May 19, 2003

UC and nuclear weapons: the kiss of death

The top-secret Manhattan Project was laid out by Robert Oppenheimer the night Ernest Lawrence took him to the Bohemian Club during World War II. It was a part of Californias brutal rise to economic and political power described in Imperial San Francisco: Urban Power, Earthly Ruin by Gray Brechin.

In 1939, Nobel Prize-winning physicist Niels Bohr had argued that building an atomic bomb can never be done unless you turn the United States into one huge factory. Years later, he told his colleague Edward Teller, I told you it couldnt be done without turning the whole country into a factory. You have done just that. That was after Edward Teller had stuck the proverbial knife in Oppenheimers back, and pulled his security clearance.


This 46-acre landfill at the Hunters Point Shipyard, lying across a cove from the 49ers Candlestick Park stadium, is filled with radioactive and toxic waste and explosive gases. Mayor Newsom wants to give the land right beside the landfill next month to Lennar Corp. to build 1,600 new homes.
Photo: Maurice Campbell, www.mecresources.com
Teller - also known as Dr. Strangelove - went on to promote a grandiose U.S. nuclear weapons program for decades at the nuclear weapons labs: Berkeley, Livermore and Los Alamos. The program remained under a no-bid University of California management contract for 61 years.
http://www.sfbayview.com/091504/ucregents091504.shtml


Part 2

by Leuren Moret

Admiral George P. Nanos
As Admiral George P. Nanos, appointed director of the Los Alamos lab in January 2003, and Admiral S. Robert Foley Jr., appointed UC vice president for laboratory management in November 2003, sat down at the table where the UC Regents waited, I began to wonder how many more admirals were involved and why. It did not take long to find out.

Admiral Foley informed the regents about the missing CREM, computer storage devices with classified data, and acknowledged that the security lapse damaged the universitys chances of retaining its Los Alamos contract. This erodes your position, without any question at all, he said. Its about as bad as it could be when youre trying to prepare for a re-competition.

He announced that Jack Killeen had been appointed to the UC Presidents Office as special assistant for Los Alamos security: Jacks our guy. He was with Wackenhut, and hes our guy.

Wackenhut has ties to (Lockheed) Martin-Marietta 70 percent of Lockheed is now owned by the Carlyle Group - going back to 1958. By 2001, Wackenhuts revenues topped $2.8 billion as the leading provider of security at U.S. national defense sites, with a global presence on six continents.


Among nuclear weapons lab employees, Wackenhut was better known for wacking radiation whistleblowers like Karen Silkwood and attempting to run Dr. Rosalie Bertell off the road. The story of Karen Silkwoods courageous life and mysterious death are told in the 1983 movie Silkwood, starring Meryl Streep. Dr. Bertell, a Catholic nun, is a world renowned scientist and humanitarian and winner of the 1986 Right Livelihood Award, the environmental Nobel Prize.
http://www.sfbayview.com/092204/nuclearweapons092204.sh...
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:07 AM
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52. Makes sense. Nevada does have a lot of "space".
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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 04:28 PM
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58. Klatu, barata, nicto!
:tinfoilhat: :smoke:
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 05:05 PM
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60. You said it....see my post #59 up at the top....n/t
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 05:48 PM
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61. PTECH, 9/11, and USA-SAUDI TERROR - Part I
...

All three countries have long, deep and continuous links to PROMIS software. As time passes it is beginning to appear that PROMIS is literally what made possible not only 9/11, but everything that has followed since and what is being planned.

Recently the New York Times published a story about how the US military was envisioning a costly new "Internet" in space to control all military operations worldwide, calling it a "God's-eye view" of battle. Called Global Information Grid or GIG, this new platform performs the exact functions we described in an FTW article more than four years ago. Then we were called delusional conspiracy theorists. Four years later we are shown to have been right on the money.

Giant, expensive technology programs like SDI and GIG are sometimes neither wasteful porkbarrels nor the actual instruments that are presented to the public; instead, they are some third thing nobody knows about. This is the way large black projects are funded.

Total Information Awareness or TIA, an Orwellian nightmare of data mining that uses PROMIS-evolved technologies and artificial intelligence, is now operating and able to incorporate vastly divergent data bases of personal information on private citizens from computer systems using different languages in near-real-time. Every bit of personal information from grocery shopping habits to driving records, credit reports, credit card transactions and medical records is now almost instantly accessible. Access will be expedited and broadened to local law enforcement agencies when what will become a national ID card comes into being. That will happen as driver's licenses are standardized nationwide (following the recent intelligence reform act) to include a simple UPC-like code that will allow approved agencies to get all of our data. The surveillance and intervention capabilities of PROMIS progeny can now be used to prohibit a credit card purchase or (soon) prevent someone from boarding a commercial aircraft. These capabilities could also be used to empty a private bank account or - when coupled with biometric face recognition technology - prevent you from making a withdrawal from your bank or even buying food.

more
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/012005_ptech_...
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 06:03 PM
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62. more
...

In the wrong hands, such a program could have disastrous political and financial implications. From The Wilderness has published several stories about PROMIS software, the robust datamining program whose theft by the Justice Department has occasioned decades of international legal and illegal maneuvering. PROMIS is also the subject of a chapter in Crossing The Rubicon, because it took on geopolitical importance when a group of criminals connected to US intelligence modified PROMIS and sold it to foreign intelligence agencies in multiple countries as far back as the early 80s. There, it acted as a back door through which intelligence agencies stole proprietary and national-security information from those countries and dumped it into US computers. That was before artificial intelligence. In the twenty years since PROMIS was developed, artificial intelligence (AI) has potentiated such datamining programs in astonishing ways.

Half of Crossing The Rubicon is about 9/11; the other half is about the surrounding system of deep political alliances, terrorism, narcotraffic, money laundering, bank fraud, and information technology (PROMIS) that made it possible. Following where her Ptech experience led, Singh came face to face with the monster behind a half-century of criminally funded rightwing militarism.

The Ptech story is a crucial piece of 9/11 because the software was used to simultaneously coordinate the FAA with NORAD and the Secret Service. But it transcends 9/11 because that terror attack is continuous with preceding decades of violent Islamic extremism epitomized in the international Muslim Brotherhood, of which al Qaeda is only one, relatively recent, incarnation.6 Worse, the Muslim Brotherhood has from its first days been linked to the Nazi party and its Swiss neo-Nazi epigones.7 Anti-Soviet projects of the CIA and the Pentagon (from 11-22-63 to the Afghan War) have long been recognized as continuous with the absorption of Nazi SS personnel into what became the CIA.8 The connection of the Bush crime family to the political economy of the Nazi movement is familiar from the excellent work of former Justice Department Nazi war crimes prosecutor John Loftus and others.9 Its triangulation with the Bush-Saudi alliance forms a powerful explanatory paradigm - one to which FTW will be paying further attention in the sequel to this story.

The following timeline is a red thread running through the larger fabric of contemporary Rightist attacks on democracy and the rule of law. Global in scope, this milieu transcends the boundaries of nation-states just as banks and multinational corporations do; it transcends the boundaries of religions as does the conceptual purview of what is universally recognized as "fundamentalism"; and it comprehends the wide range of projects that unite every domestic political assassination in America from RFK to the latest "suicided" Enemy of the State. Such a tapestry cannot hang on the single nail of an article like this one, but if we are to understand this "warthatwillnotendinourlifetimes," we need to pick up the hammer. With the Rubicon behind us and Indira Singh at our side, we begin with her experience.

more
http://www.911citizenswatch.org/modules.php?op=modload&...
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:51 PM
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63. What goes up, must shoot down.
The Weaponization of Space

It Doesn't Happen in a Vacuum


Maj Howard D. Belote, USAF*

EXCERPT...

IN THE LATE 1950s, President Dwight D. Eisenhower set United States space policy on a vector it has sustained to this day. Despite the public outcry over the Soviet Union's launching of Sputnik I, Eisenhower crafted a space program that provided the national leadership with what it craved--information--while limiting government expenditures and preserving civilian control of national assets. Realizing that "first and foremost, space was about spying, not because the United States was aggressive, but because the USSR was secretive," the president finessed "a policy subtle in conception and delicate in execution. The United States the champion of 'freedom of space,' . . . 'space for peace' and 'space for all mankind,' a thread in American policy that stemmed from traditional idealism and respect for the rule of law on the one hand and from Cold War competition for prestige on the other."1 Quite simply, Eisenhower deeply believed that space without weapons was in his country's self-interest.

Almost immediately, however, the fledgling Air Force began to look for ways to extend its institutional prerogatives into the new medium. Although early attempts to come to grips with space focused mainly on nuts-and-bolts issues of international law and the limits of sovereignty,2 airmen soon developed visions of space that were at odds with those of their political leaders. In fact, Air Force leaders pushed for dual-use research and development programs for space--witness the Dyna-Soar program cancelled by Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara--and some of them soon called for the weaponization of space.3

By no means did all airmen rush to advocate deployment of weapons in space. To the Air Force's credit, the service fostered a lively and wide-ranging space debate in the pages of its professional journals. Indeed, articles in the Spring 1999 Airpower Journal by Gen Thomas Moorman, Maj Shawn Rife, and Sen. Bob Smith (R-N.H.) show that the debate is alive and well.4 A small but representative sample of that debate--five articles published between 1968 and 1998 in Airpower Journal and its predecessor, Air University Review--sketches the arguments of both proponents and opponents of space weaponization and provides a historical foundation for continued discussion. Significantly, the context in which the articles were written, their common themes, and their respective strengths and weaknesses suggest a viable space policy for the near future.

Early Steps
toward Weaponization

In late 1968, Maj Gen Oris B. Johnson, commander of the 9th Aerospace Defense Division, wrote an article that helped open the door for weaponization advocates. In "Space: Today's Front Line of Defense," General Johnson emphasized the "continuity of the air/space medium" and the inevitable nature of the Air Force's growth into space. "Both physically and conceptually," he argued, "the extension of military systems beyond the lower atmosphere has turned out to be natural and evolutionary."5 The general then struck a chord that would resonate in the space debate for the next 20 years: "The demonstrated space accomplishments of the U.S.S.R., together with their avowed intention of ruling the world, leave no room for complacency. Regardless of our intent and desire to use space for peaceful purposes, the fact remains that the Soviets are deeply committed to their space program and that it is conducted under military management."6 Although General Johnson acknowledged America's avowed intention for peace in space, he used Soviet testing of a fractional orbit bombardment system and antiballistic missile (ABM) system to argue that "the necessity for effective space defense weapons is both obvious and urgent."7

CONTINUED...

http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/apj/ap...



Imagine what we don't talk about.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:00 PM
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64. What do you do with a bug that can sting you?
Squash it. If necessary.

If possible, you let it escape. The thing is, you don't let it sting.

Should they survive us, our brother PNAC Earthlings may learn the answer the hard way.



Lighter than a feather, the heart must be.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 01:26 PM
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67. Giant, expensive technology programs...
Like the FBI's $178 million anti-terrorist computer network? My first thought was, 'what was that money really spent on?' After all, computer networking and software development are not quite rocket science. There are no other secure networks with proprietary software that they could model thiers on? Really.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 09:04 PM
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70. How can The Pentagon "lose" at least one third of its bloated budget?
:nuke:
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:44 AM
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71. What is the "big picture"
http://www.timberjay.com/current.php?article=1455

Thursday, February 10, 2005

MINOS neutrinos on their way
By Marshall Helmberger

Researchers at the MINOS laboratory in the Soudan Mine havent
seen an actual neutrino yet but the tiny sub-atomic particles
should be arriving soon. And that means the payoff for ten years
of detailed planning and construction could be right around the corner.

http://www.fnal.gov/pub/presspass/press_releases/MINOS_...

Why do they want to know what this "dark matter" is?


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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:24 AM
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72. Well these space warfare exercises end tomorrow. That's worth a kick.
Yep.
:dem: :kick:
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Steve L Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:45 PM
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77. Documentary
Did anyone see a documentary that was shown on the Free Speech Network on the militarization of the space program? It provides a thorough history and has a lot of info about what they are trying to do. Another interesting source is the official PNAC website. There is a large section in their "Rebuilding America's Defenses" document about space warfare and "space forces." Check it out.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:25 PM
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85. I hate to see the Free World participating in this
I mean, it's one thing for a Totalitarian Nation like Imperial Amerika to do it, but Canada should know better.

And yes, we are about to miltarize space, which is exactly what the Nazis would have done had they won DubyaDubyaTwo.
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