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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 09:37 AM
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U.S. Forces Look Into Leaving Iraqi Cities - Train Iraqi's for checkpoints
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/news/news-iraq-usa-troops.html

September 18, 2003
U.S. Forces Look Into Leaving Iraqi Cities
By REUTERS Filed at 9:35 a.m. ET

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - The top U.S. commander in Iraq said on Thursday he was looking at whether he could pull his troops out of some cities and would do so right away if it was clear local security forces were ready to take over."We would be willing to do that immediately if those conditions existed anywhere in the country," said Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez, the commander of the 150,000-strong U.S.-led task force charged with stabilizing postwar Iraq."We are looking at that right now to see if there are some cities where... the capacity is already in place and we'd be more than glad to begin to move out of there," he said.Sanchez told a news briefing U.S. troops would move to locations outside the cities but would still be ready to assist local police and other security forces as necessary.The general's comments came amidst a drive by Washington to accelerate the transfer of security duties to Iraqis as daily guerrilla attacks on U.S. forces show no signs of subsiding and the financial cost of occupying Iraq mounts.<snip>

Iraq's U.S.-led administration now hopes to train up to 40,000 Iraqi soldiers within a year -- twice as quickly as originally planned, Walter Slocombe, a senior official overseeing the program, said at the Pentagon on Wednesday.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Iraq-New-Army.html

September 18, 2003 New Iraq Army to Cost $2 Billion to Build
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 8:13 a.m. ET WASHINGTON (AP) -- At an estimated cost next year of $2 billion, the United States plans to build, virtually from scratch, a new Iraqi army of 30,000 to 40,000 soldiers.In presenting a detailed outline of the plan, the senior adviser to the U.S. occupation authority in Iraq said Wednesday that everything from guns and uniforms to trucks and toilets must be bought for an Iraqi army that will comprise mainly infantry, with little armor or artillery.<snip>

The first group of about 800 Iraqi soldiers is due to finish its training next month. Slocombe said at a Pentagon news conference that the goal is to have the 30,000 to 40,000 soldiers trained and operating within a year. That, he said, is half the time U.S. authorities initially believed raising an army of that size would take.<snip>

The Iraqis are being trained for less demanding tasks such as providing security for vehicle convoys and manning checkpoints, he said, adding that eventually it will be of sufficient size and sophistication to defend all of Iraq's territory from potential outside threats.<snip>

The money is part of an $87 billion request to cover military and reconstruction costs in Iraq as well as Afghanistan in the budget year starting Oct. 1. Of that total, $55 billion would be for Iraq, including $20 billion for civilian reconstruction and security and $35 billion for U.S. military costs.President Bush announced the $87 billion request on Sept. 7, but it was not submitted to Congress until Wednesday.The training of the Iraqi infantry is being done by employees of the Vinnell Corp., a Fairfax, Va.-based subsidiary of defense contractor Northrop Grumman Corp. Overseeing their work is Army Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton, who had been the commander in charge of training U.S. infantry.<snip>
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 09:39 AM
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1. Cut and Run
I have a feeling the admin. is setting up to cut and run from Iraq. Hastily train some people, throw a gov't together and get the hell out, consequences be damned.
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pmbryant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 09:41 AM
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4. That's sure what this sounds like
How can you rebuild and provide security and services for a country if you aren't where the people are?

:wtf:

--Peter
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:16 AM
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11. I don't think that they will leave entirely...maybe

The Saudis have asked us to leave SA, and I don't think that we would up 'n run and leave a situation where we can't get back in to the ME on the quick.

How else are we going to invade Syria or Iran when the time is right?

That's not how the U.S. works. It likes to stay put.

Chimpy just wants to control the oil feilds, and I am sure that he could give a fu@k about the rest of EYE-Wrack going to hell.

If he pulls out of the cities then the U.N. may feel obligated to step in. Then it will be the U.N.'s fault if they can't control the situations there.

Either way his wallet wins.

Good luck Chimp. You have certainly screwed our image abroad.

We'll be hated for years to come.
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femmecahors Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:32 AM
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15. I've seen this movie before . . . it's called "Afghanistan." nt
./..
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Brucey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 09:39 AM
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2. Yes, get out of some cities, but be sure
the oil contracts are secured before leaving.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:43 AM
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16. You Nailed It
Set up an excuse for pulling out of the cities then fall back with all the troops to protect just the oil fields and pipelines.

Claim victory by doing virtually nothing!
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 09:40 AM
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3. ."We would be willing to do that immediately ..."
In other words: RUN.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 09:49 AM
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7. I hope like hell our guys have the wind to their backs as they are leaving
Edited on Thu Sep-18-03 09:56 AM by NNN0LHI
And some fast horses.

Don

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:02 AM
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10. Fresh horses and whiskey for my men ...
I just hope they get them the hell out safe,
home to mama and the kids. What a clusterfuck.
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:32 AM
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14. I recall you posting yesterday that news travels fast in the military.
This was in the context of Bush* dismissing any connection between Iraq and 9/11.

I wonder if this is a reflection of said news. In any case, they probably realize that they cannot leave fast enough. I also suspect that you could substitute the word 'Iraq' for any of the towns mentioned in that quote and both would be correct.
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 09:44 AM
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5. Only 39,200 more to go
"The first group of about 800 Iraqi soldiers is due to finish its training next month. Slocombe said at a Pentagon news conference that the goal is to have the 30,000 to 40,000 soldiers trained and operating within a year."
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 09:47 AM
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6. Buh bye. It was nice knowing you all. See ya. We are running late.
Edited on Thu Sep-18-03 09:51 AM by NNN0LHI
Got a helicopter to catch.

See why Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 all of a sudden like now?

Don

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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 09:59 AM
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9. Lots to do, lots to do...
We're late, we're late
We're late for an important date!

We are off to Syria and Iran now...
C'ya, wouldn't wanna B'ya!

So many countries to invade...so little time, and
hey, we're looking low on troops, time for a draft!

THAT'S why were leaving- gotta go create
some more chaos, BEFORE the rest of the
world and those sleepy 'murikkans figure
out what's going on...

I do not see this as good news-
I really see this as, "on to the next one."
They are following the Ledeen recipe point for point.
It hasn't even begun to get ugly-
mark my words.

BHN
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 09:51 AM
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8. There is no oil in the cities
Edited on Thu Sep-18-03 09:52 AM by wtmusic
Let them kill each other.
:grr:
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Patriot_Spear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:24 AM
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12. RETREAT!!! ...uh, I mean, Advance to the rear!
...I love euphamism's...
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:31 AM
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13. It's a strategic withdrawal
Not a retreat, so stop saying that!

Actually, the faster Iraq gets off the public radar screen, the better the corrupt Bush administration will like it. Things have gone so sour so quickly that I think it caught them more than a little off guard. But once the bulk of the troops are out of the country, there will be no need to continue reporting about them (see Afghanistan for the blueprint), and the Bushistas can get back to whatever in hell their new product line will be for the primary season.
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Patriot_Spear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:47 AM
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18. You mean a 'Tactical Relocation'...?
I'm waiting for the next phase; when the Iraqi's figure out that if they attack the Haliburton oil thieves and the deny them the oil- we'll be outta there faster than you can say, 'Dick Cheney needs another stint!'
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:47 AM
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17. I am just sure that none of these new cops are *gasp* ex-Baathists
Cause if they were they could let their buddies pass through and the cities will become huge safhouses for those attacking our soldiers. Better keep the airport secure or our troops could get isolated out in the sands and..............oh brother.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:25 PM
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19. How the hell did this story get on page three of LBN? Kick n/t
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 07:55 PM
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20. Can't train them too fast
Edited on Thu Sep-18-03 07:56 PM by psychopomp
...or give them too much responsibility:
"The Iraqis are being trained for less demanding tasks such as providing security for vehicle convoys and manning checkpoints, he said, adding that eventually it will be of sufficient size and sophistication to defend all of Iraq's territory from potential outside threats."
Sounds like they will not be toting more than light weaponry for the forseeable future. Can't have those guns turned on us now, can we?
FUBAR
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Pax Argent Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 09:08 PM
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21. The sick part that I noticed was
the whole "less demanding tasks such as providing security for vehicle convoys and manning checkpoints" thing. Aren't these the duties our guys keep getting killed doing?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 12:13 PM
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22. Breaking down doors in house to house searches, we will do.
Likewise the motor patrols that shoot at weddings if a gun is seen shooting into the air in celebration will remain our duty. Also pipeline and Halliburton protection is on our list.
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