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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:10 PM
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(Russ) Feingold Tests Waters for Possible 2008 Presidential Run



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Feingold Tests Waters for Possible 2008 Presidential Run
By Ron Hurtibise


Last update: January 29, 2005

DAYTONA BEACH -- One of President Bush's most vocal opponents in the Senate is weighing a 2008 run for the presidency.

U.S. Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., told the Tiger Bay Club of Volusia County on Friday that he'll decide whether to run after "going around the country" working to return a Democrat to the White House.

In Bush's first term, Feingold opposed the president's policies on the Iraq war, USA Patriot Act, Medicare reform, education policy, environmental regulation and abortion rights. He made clear he was leaving his own presidential options open after a club member asked if he plans to run.

For now, Feingold said, he wants to be "part of the process" of identifying a candidate likely to succeed George W. Bush in 2008. That involves helping to create "national organizations of people to make that happen," he said..........
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:15 PM
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1. i am ambivilant-he is my Senator
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:01 AM
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40. He represents the Democratic wing of the party.
Could that be the cause of your ambivalence?

Smart and principled, Feingold is just the medicine this moribund party needs.
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President Jesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 02:10 AM
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44. voted 'yes' on condi in committee and on the floor. nt
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:35 AM
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46. The only senator
to read, in its entirety, and vote against the Patriot Act. I'd consider voting for him.

Jenn
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:18 PM
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2. I hope he does the same thing to the republicans that the democrats did
too Dean in the 2004 primaries.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:26 PM
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4. He is a Democrat.
Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 08:27 PM by Pirate Smile
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:15 PM
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22. er... HUH?
I don't follow your post at all. Clarification please?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:22 PM
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3. Feingold in the White House would bring some dignity --
-- back after 8 years of skulduggery of BushCo.

But if Doyle loses to Tommie then Feingold's seat goes to a Republican, doesn't it?

Yikes. We could lose him in the Senate and he might lose the presidential race, too. Then what?

We like you, Russ. Don't leave us.

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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:29 PM
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6. Mark Green (R - barf) is gonna run for Gov in WI
I don't think Tommy will want that job back.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:33 PM
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7. Things a mess in WI in Tommy runs againt Kohl and now Russ thinking
of running.
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:43 PM
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13. I don't think Tommy will run against Kohl. He hates it in Washington.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:01 PM
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18. Hmm. Green doesn't sound very good at all.
And Tommie is such a fool.

Do something, quick!
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:44 PM
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34. Green is a total fundie.
Very scary. VERY. :scared:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:19 PM
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39. Well, hippiechick, we've got to stop Green.
Does he have broad statewide appeal?

Wisconsin seems to have a lot of cliffhanger votes.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:10 AM
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45. I don't think he's got statewide appeal ...
... but north eastern and maybe northern WI likes him (he's from Green Bay - he was a summer camp counselor when I was in 7th grade - thought he was an asshole, even back then!) ...

He's the typical clean cut, 'self made', 'family values' GOP'er that sells so well with the elderly - which there are ALOT of in NE WI.
He's a poster child for the Brownshirts.

The only way the Dems could be successful against him is to run a candidate who is just as 'clean cut', and who can itemize Green's voting record and then translate that into the harm it's done to the interests of the elderly and low-income up there.

:shrug:

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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:27 PM
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5. he's my senator, too

I'm disappointed that he voted to approve Condi Rice.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:34 PM
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8. I trust Russ voted his conscious--that is good enough for me.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:35 PM
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9. I don't understand that vote either.
It seems out of character.
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rabbit2484 Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:39 PM
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12. He explained weeks ago why
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/120804A.shtml

Russ kicks ass and I would let him leave to steer this country back
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:28 PM
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52. Out Standing Speech - thanks! n/t
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BamaLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:35 PM
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10. Wisconsin Guaranteed
We wouldn't have to spend money on WI. We could put it on IA, OH, FL, NM, etc.
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latteromden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:06 PM
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20. Minnesota guaranteed, too - people here'll realise the similarities to
Wellstone.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:36 PM
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11. I proposed the idea a few weeks ago in the campaigns forum
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:46 PM
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14. He is ok, but running another senator scares me that we'll be guarenteed
to lose.
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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:50 PM
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15. No chance
I love Russ with all my heart, but he's a) very left and b) a Jew. He's not your DINO repub-friendly Joe Lieberman kinda Jew, either. I just can't see it happening...Much like Kucinich; sounds awesome in theory, but the realities are much, much different. :(
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:20 PM
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24. I think I agree with you.
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latteromden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:23 PM
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26. In a state where Kerry won by .35%, Feingold won by 11.3% - I think
there might be a chance there. Of course, it might play out differently in a national election, but that's still pretty impressive.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:15 PM
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38. He'd do better than Kucinich in a GE
After all, Feingold has actually won a statewide election in a battleground state and he seems more "normal" (IE has a wife and kids)....I know its superfical but hey to many out there it matters.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:53 PM
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16. Nope. He lacks courage when courage counts.
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latteromden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:59 PM
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17. I would call being the one senator to vote against the Patriot Act courage
"when it counts."
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:06 PM
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19. Yes, for a Senator he is pretty damned principled (again, for a Senator)
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Lefta Dissenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:27 PM
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27. Thanks,
Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 09:29 PM by Lefta Dissenter
I couldn't even respond to that post.

I haven't agreed with all of Russ' decisions, but he stands up for what he believes in, and he's not afraid to explain his decisions to his constituents. We voted him back in, knowing that he would likely approve bush's appointments.

I truly don't want to lose him as my Senator, however, so I have mixed feelings about the whole damned thing. :(

edited to add: principled? That doesn't even begin to describe it. My son worked for Russ' Senate office for a year, and I saw how Russ' expectations for himself and those who worked for him were lightyears beyond what I've seen from many, MANY other Senators.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:08 PM
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21. Voted against IWR, Tax Cuts, Patriot Act, and all sorts of other stuff.
You can shove it. No other Senator can say that. No one has more political courage than Russ Feingold.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:21 PM
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25. I think the one place some DUers find fault
is that on principle he votes for major cabinet appointees on principle (on the idea that a pres should be able to select his cabinet - and then let the chips fall where they will). I get it - though I may not always agree (eg Ashcroft... ugh... as a colleague he could have seen that coming) - but on all other votes - he has one of the best records in the Senate. I love Fiengold. I don't agree, but accept his principle per cabinet appointees (and he is consistent on it). I don't know that he has the populist flair that will likely be needed in the next round. I would be more likley to throw my hat behind someone like Harkin (who can rouse a crowd with populist rhetoric with the best of them.)
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:27 PM
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28. Russ is classic Wisconsin. He just makes sense.
Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 09:28 PM by Zynx
With what is basically a pretty liberal record, he was able to win places like Outagamie county, which never vote Democratic. True, Michels wasn't as formidible as his opponent in 1998, but even so it was impressive.
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latteromden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:32 PM
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31. Is 'classic Wisconsin' like the billboards for stores that sell "fireworks
and cheese"?

(Sorry, I'm from Minnesota, I had to say SOMETHING! ;)
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:35 PM
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33. Rural Wisconsin doesn't have much.
They have to make a living somehow.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:30 PM
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29. Huh? When does courage count in your mind? Could you maybe
give an example, cuz I'm afraid I might be missing something here.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:31 PM
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30. They have no idea what they're talking about.
For a board that has a lot of people who claim to be well informed a fair number of us seem to be fairly ignorant about a lot of different things.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:32 PM
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32. ditto-my fellow Wisconsinite
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:53 PM
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35. Funny, that's been the topic of a couple of PMs I've had recently. Seems
DU has changed quite a bit as it's grown. Must have been all of that publicity - blessing and a curse at the same time I guess.

Ironic in a way, ain't it. Can't keep a good thing like DU to yourselves, but as you share it, it changes and is not quite the good thing it was. Heh, that's progress though.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:12 PM
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37. I know his vote for Rice
is disappointing and frustrating, but to his credit he has stated that other than in the rarest of circumstances, the president has the right to appoint those he wants to cabinet positions.

I disagree with this but he has made his stnce clear and he has been extremely consistant. On most of the issues that matter he's been vrey courageous and principled.
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metisnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:20 PM
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23. FUCK YEAH BACKBONE
http://www.russfeingold.org/feingear.php

GO RUSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 10:02 PM
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36. He'd have my support
especially if Dean is DNC Chairman.
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RCPJAP Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:24 AM
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42. It's too soon
to tell who will be in the running in 2008. Might as well be light years away. I think we should begin speculating on who is going to run in about two years. For now, we need to at least take back the Senate in 2006.
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American Tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:23 AM
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41. If he runs, I'll almost certainly back him
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 12:25 AM by American Tragedy
In my opinion, his vote to confirm Condi Rice is overwhelmingly outweighed by his record on substantive issues like Iraq war, Patriot Act, Medicare, environment, abortion rights etc. His positions in general are very consistent, which would make it much easier for him to explain himself to the American people and to credibly stand up against a Republican.

We would also be guaranteed at least one swing state, thus enabling us to redirect our resources.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 09:09 AM
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48. I agree-what I know of him I like and he is a real straight shooter
GO RUSS!
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:54 AM
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43. I could support him.
He would be a great choice.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 09:01 AM
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47. Forget it.
No matter how good he is, just forget it.

I can just see the Rove Smear Machine already cranking up the behind-the scenes buzzphrase for the Red State Religious Loonies:

"Wayull, yew know, FeinGOLD, thet thar'n one a them Jeeeeuw names, and yall know what them Jeeeeuws done did to Christ, now don't yall?"

If they could smear Cleland, they wouldn't be above using the "Jeeeeeuw Card," would they?

Redstone
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American Tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 06:48 PM
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49. Realistically, is there anybody who is free of such vulnerabilities?
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 07:51 PM
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51. Wingnuts love Jews
As long as they're orthodox Israelis with no connection to Hollywood or the international banking system.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 07:49 PM
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50. We like him in Wisconsin
He's a common-sense, straight-talking guy who doesn't take crap from anyone. He pretty much disemboweled his dim-bulb Republican opponent in November (the debates were wonderful to watch--"You haven't even read the patriot act," he said to what's-his-name--"How can you support it?"), and he votes correctly from a progressive's viewpoint about 90 percent of the time. He's a smart, tough-minded politician from a swing state in the Midwest. Hook him up with somebody with military cred as a running-mate, and you've got a likely winner. And dollars to donuts he votes against Gonzales.
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:38 PM
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54. He was clear and emphatically opposed to the war and Patriot Act
THAT took COURAGE in this Brave New Bush-Wellian World ..

I'm very interested in seeing what positions he has on other foreign policy matters. Such as the Israeli Palestinian issue, and will be painting Chavez as some sort of evil doer like Condi Rice tried to imply during the hearings. There're just a couple things i want to be very clear on. What's his position on single payer health care, and Corporate Personhood?

don't get me wrong, these are not litmus test issues i'm presenting, just curious...



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KissMeKate Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:29 PM
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53. Run Feingold!
You rock!

(despite your dissappointing vote on Condi Rice)
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