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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 01:44 AM
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AP: Gitmo Soldier Details Sexual Tactics
By PAISLEY DODDS, Associated Press Writer

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico - Female interrogators tried to break Muslim detainees at the U.S. prison camp in Guantanamo Bay by sexual touching, wearing a miniskirt and thong underwear and in one case smearing a Saudi man's face with fake menstrual blood, according to an insider's written account.

A draft manuscript obtained by The Associated Press is classified as secret pending a Pentagon (news - web sites) review for a planned book that details ways the U.S. military used women as part of tougher physical and psychological interrogation tactics to get terror suspects to talk.

It's the most revealing account so far of interrogations at the secretive detention camp, where officials say they have halted some controversial techniques.

"I have really struggled with this because the detainees, their families and much of the world will think this is a religious war based on some of the techniques used, even though it is not the case," the author, former Army Sgt. Erik R. Saar, 29, told AP.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/2005...
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 01:49 AM
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1. But Bush had nothing to do with it
It's all Clinton's fault. (freeper off).
How utterly cruel this is that this man would declare war on an innocent population then demean them in this way. How utterly against Christian beliefs.
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Ruffhowse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 01:56 AM
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2. And the Christo-Fascist Bush regime still doesn't understand why
the Muslim world hates us so much, why they cut off heads of captured hostages. The demonspawn Bushies have escalated this conflict to a level where all sorts of atrocities on both sides are now occurring regularly. The whole thing makes me absolutely sick.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:07 AM
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5. The Muslims
may kill the invaders, but it is not like they spend time humiliating them first.
I also think that the guys in Gitmo and Abu Ghraib would prefer a swift death to the torture that is being inflicted upon them. That is why they keep trying to commit suicide rather than endure more of that "Yankee hospitality."
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:00 AM
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3. plus, torture is unproductive.
this has been proven many times. INformation obtained through torture is notoriously unreliable. U.S. interrogators MUST know this; thus the only purpose can be to humiliate and demean prisoners.
Give 'em enough pain and they'll say anything to avoid more. They'll confess to setting the fucking Chicago fire AND sinking the Titanic.
Meanwhile, those that survive will join the ranks of the most hardened terrorists.
but God is on our side (apologies to Dylan).
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:08 AM
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6. Don't ass-ume about these things.
They may be aware that theorists say it's unreliable but that the chain of command wants them to Do Something anyway and leave no stone unturned. So, to torture even if it's unreliable, just in case it is. Just in case something reliable comes out of it. Because if the choice is between doing something iffy and doing nothing, the Alpha Male response is to do something iffy.

So therefore they may do it not JUST to humiliate, but to humiliate because it MAY be useful, even if the likelihood is that it won't be.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 03:02 AM
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8. Someone needs to repeat that to them every 5 minutes.
So far, they haven't grasped the concept, or they keep forgetting. Torture is cruel and unproductive.

Cruelty springs from weakness.
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drhilarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:01 AM
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4. Rush sez: "This is nothing, like guys at a whore house...
blowing off steam!"
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:14 AM
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7. Female civilian contractors? Where the hell do they go to find ...
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 02:16 AM by djmaddox1
female 'civilian interrogators'? Damn, I guess we've come a long way. Male, female - they're all a bunch of sick pieces of *hit.

snip/
Beginning in April 2003, "there hung a short skirt and thong underwear on the hook on the back of the door" of one interrogation team's office, he writes. "Later I learned that this outfit was used for interrogations by one of the female civilian contractors ... on a team which conducted interrogations in the middle of the night on Saudi men who were refusing to talk."

on edit: BTW - this one's getting freeped down in the rating. It needs to be seen, rate it up!

Avg Rating: 2.94, 868 votes
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ze_dscherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 03:34 AM
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9. One of the first released British prisoners complained about that
But it has been put off as "anti-american propaganda".


"It is true Mr. al-Harith claims to have been beaten once (not daily, as with the Taliban) while imprisoned. But all the rest of his torture claims are secondor third-hand. Unnecessary amputations were a common punishment, he insists, though he saw none. Some inmates were fed foul water and 10-year-old rations, many were malnourished, though he describes himself as fit and healthy while at the camp.

According to the Mirror, the most shocking disclosure is Mr. al-Hariths insistence that devout Muslim men, who had never before seen an unveiled woman, were tortured by being forced to watch disrobed prostitutes parade before them and touch their own naked bodies. He, of course, never suffered this treatment, but claims he knew of it happening about 10 times. One victim, he says, had a prostitutes menstrual blood smeared on his face to humiliate him.

It is a mark of just how riddled with anti-American conspiracy theorists much of the Western worlds press has become when such fanciful claims are swallowed without hesitation, then regurgitated without analysis as though they are gospel. It is also an indication of how much work the U.S. administration has to do to keep its side of the story in the war on terror from being buried in an avalanche of misinformation."

http://www.themoneybag.com/vb/archive/index.php/t-30690... (Second part of the thread, citing from: http://ee.canada.com/Daily/skins/NationalPost/navigator... )
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 03:54 AM
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10. that is sick
What ever happened to moral values?
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WritersBlock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 05:28 AM
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11. "They hate us for our freedoms."

This is utterly shameful. I am disgusted.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 05:45 AM
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12. make way for the "She-Devils" of America
Sick. sick.sick.

"At the time, it was under the command of Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller, who had a mandate to get better intelligence from prisoners, including alleged al-Qaida members caught in Afghanistan"

Now what were you saying again, Gen. Miller? (about what you didn't do or know?)

"The interrogator left the room to ask a Muslim linguist how she could break the prisoner's reliance on God."

I'd love to question that one about her religious beliefs.

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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 05:53 AM
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13. I'm so glad our military is standing up for Christian family values.
That'll show those heathens.

What is truly tragic is that I doubt this stain on our national reputation will ever be erased.

Wouldn't it be ironic if this band of war criminals actually met the fate that they believe they will meet when they die, i.e. being judged by Jesus.

Jesus knows torture. If you were responsible for torturing and mistreating prisoners would you like to be judged by a deity with whip scars on his back and holes through his hands and feet?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 06:58 AM
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14. AAR talking about it now.
So it will not be buried.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:24 AM
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15. duplicate topic
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