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orthogonal Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 06:33 PM
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US to slap tourists with RFID (radio chips)
Edited on Thu Jan-27-05 06:34 PM by orthogonal
The US Department of Homeland Security has decided to trial RFID tags in an effort to make sure only the right sort of people get across US borders.

. . . .

The testing phase will continue until the spring of next year. The exact way RFID will be used with the travellers is not yet known.

RFID chips will be used to track both pedestrians and vehicles entering the US to automatically record when the visitors arrive and leave in the country.

. . . .

US Under Secretary for Border & Transportation Security, Asa Hutchinson, said in a statement: "Through the use of radio frequency technology, we see the potential to not only improve the security of our country, but also to make the most important infrastructure enhancements to the US land borders in more than 50 years."

Full article: http://management.silicon.com/government/0,39024677,391...

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Kenneth, what is your frequency?
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 06:38 PM
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1. Oh boy. Privacy Rights groups are gonna go apeshit over this...
*Pops some popcorn in the microwave*
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kimpossible Donating Member (785 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 06:39 PM
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2. Tattoed on their foreheads, right?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:50 AM
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53. .....and tattoed on their chest, "Do Not Resuscitate"
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renaissanceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 09:12 AM
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56. What will the fundies and the rapturists say
when their leader promotes this? ::GASP:: He must be the antichrist!!!!

Nahhhh... it's all Clinton's fault. BAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues/466053
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 06:41 PM
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3. Inserts in the anal cavity in less than twenty minutes. n/t
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 06:42 PM
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4. They can't be serious.
This should put a dent in tourism.
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maryallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 08:25 PM
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34. George Orwell is rolling over in his grave ...
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 06:43 PM
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5. ummmm...where are these tags placed?
kill me now...I want my country back.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 06:45 PM
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6. OMG! Any educated guesses on how these tags
will be inserted? I can't even imagine...
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 06:48 PM
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7. If they are not implanted in the body, they are worthless
They can be passed around or left somewhere otherwise.

I wonder if the "guest workers" will be considered tourists, thus be the guinea pigs for this experiment.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 09:17 PM
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44. not if you don't know where they are being placed
....n/t. these things are TINY, from what i've read.
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mn9driver Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:48 PM
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28. Easy. This device already exists:
http://www.yenra.com/electronic-security-bracelet /

All they have to do is make it tamperproof, like the ones used by home-monitored offenders:

http://www.co.lane.or.us/Sheriff_Corrections_ESP /

Is this a great country or what?

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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 06:52 PM
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8. They will plant them under the skin of the forearm. n/t
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 06:53 PM
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9. Reciprocity...
I can just see it now. US citizens visiting Brazil will have notches clipped from their ears for tracking purposes.
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:03 PM
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13. Yikes, if the government starts tagging USA Citizens
Well I'm Moving! And that's no bull! LOL

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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:55 PM
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31. And sold as runaway indentured servants?
Notching the ears was the punishment given in Colonial periods to Runaway indentured servants, more evidence we are returning to our pre-revolutionary roots.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 06:56 PM
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10. Ear tags? We're going to tag tourists?
What tourists? Won't be any after this change.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:18 PM
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17. No kidding
Why would anyone WANT to come here?

beep...beep...beep...beep....
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:27 PM
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20. Yoicks!!! Our president has been tagged already
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:29 PM
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...not MY president! nt
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:33 PM
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25. nor mine :)
:)
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:50 PM
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30. Stop criticizing his earrings.
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 06:58 PM
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11. Damn, chips used to only be promoted to be embedded in a pet's
(dog/cat) neck for identification in the event they were lost. Gosh, even back in the early 90s such a procedure was controversial as the chip, if not placed properly may migrate and harm the animal. I choose NOT to have my dog "chipped" for ID.

And NOW, those representing our Fatherland oops! I mean Homeland Security within Government are doing THAT with tourists.

I don't know about the rest of you folks, but I HATE how the world has been *forced to change* (endless government fear mongering) after 911.
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pinerow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:05 PM
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14. The pet thing was the 'test-run'...then some parents allowed their
children to be implanted as a way to track them in case of a kidnapping...and the slippery slope continues to get even more slippery... :wtf:
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:23 PM
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19. Too funny, I'd harness my little tyke at busy International Airports
but I sure as hell wouldn't of considered implanting a radio transmitter in her little skull ... well unless it programed her to always "Obey your Mommy!"

Slippery slope indeed. :P
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soaky Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 08:55 PM
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38. there's a clothing label (can't recall who OTTOMH)
who already uses these chips, sewn into the label. For marketing purposes allegedly. The new 'melway' here (city directory) has them embedded in the spine.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:03 PM
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12. Geez, and I thought it couldn't possibly get weirder....
was I wrong! Kiss the tourism industry goodbye as well as any other industry that would need to bring in people from other countries for even short term work.
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:10 PM
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15. Scary...Rapture Nuts think that a computer chip
in the body will identify those fighting for the Christ to be indentified from those fighting for the anti-Christ. Meanwhile, the wacko christians will be in heaven, alive, in their glorified bodies, watching the action of all of us suckers.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:13 PM
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16. It is the Mark of the Beast!!!!!
Edited on Thu Jan-27-05 07:15 PM by SlavesandBulldozers
here cometh the Rapture my brothers and sisters in the Lord!!! hang on tight were going to be pulled into heaven and watch from there as crashcart makes it so that nobody can goeth or cometh, purchaseth or selleth except he that taketh the RFID chip ;)

edit:adigal beat me to it damn!
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:32 AM
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51. Now THIS is scary....
:scared:
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:21 PM
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18. They'll attach to the skin, and it will be visible. Definitely numbered
Probably attached to some part of the body that remains exposed so that the new peace officers can see them at a glance.

And they'll evolve, with breakthroughs such as being "tattooed" onto the person, for their comfort and safety, of course, removable upon leaving the US (or our "freedom states").


Soon........ ?

"And as president, I say we tag the good citizens of America, and put our resources to helping them when they're in trouble." It may take some "new pearl harbor" to get the people to buy it, but they're old hats at that. Who wouldn't want to walk around with their medical histroy on their arm?

And some people will say, "thank you government."

And some people will say, "where did my country go?"



Don't like this at all.
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:30 PM
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22. Oh yes, a logical extension to the ole 12 number Bar Code
or maybe an extension of that and chip incorporated within?

We "non-ruling classes" can have both visible numbers AND a radio transmitter that will contain all our vital information.

Brings whole new meaning to Seger's lyrical lament, "I feel like a number."

This is freaky stuff - Hold me Mommy?

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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:30 PM
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23. I don't like this either
Truly frightening.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:37 PM
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26. Small red forehead patch. n/t
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4MoreYearsOfHell Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 08:25 PM
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35. Numbered?
Auschwitz, anyone?
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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 09:09 PM
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40. Odd this comes out same day as some of the Auschwitz commemoration
?I think so.



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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:29 PM
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21. Tourists? What tourists?
Masochists United?
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Stockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 09:35 AM
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57. My thoughts exactly
I always wanted to visit the US, but I think I will wait a while - some four years.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:30 PM
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24. Welcome to Fortress America.
"intestinate!...." :wtf:
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codebuster11 Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:40 PM
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27. richard clarke?
didnt richard clarke predict something exactly like this?
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Sufi Marmot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:49 PM
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29. We'll see what the travel industry has to say about this...
I would think they'd scream bloody murder if foreign tourism to the US plummets 95% because of this policy. A lot of Canadians visit the States regularly and I don't see many of them agreeing to this. Many places in the south, in order to specially attract Canadians, offer them a 1:1 $US:$CDN exchange discount in the off-season. And think what this would do to Disney's gate revenue, a substantial portion of which must surely come from foreign tourists...

-SM
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Wrinkle_In_Time Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 08:52 PM
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37. I work for a U.S.-based company in Canada...
Edited on Thu Jan-27-05 08:53 PM by Wrinkle_In_Time
... and I hate each and every time I have to travel to the U.S. on business. Before September 11, 2001, I would happily travel to parts of the U.S. for business and for pleasure. This is yet just another reason for me to avoid all travel to the U.S.

I am currently pursuing a position with a Canadian company. There are several reasons for this (primarily having to deal with the misplaced overkill known as the Sarbanes-Oxley Act, but that's a topic for another thread): eliminating travel to the U.S. is a strong factor.

There are too many issues with the RFID passport/visa proposals. I wonder which Bush-friendly corporations are lined up to slurp at this trough.

{Edited for clarity, I hope}
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canadianbeaver Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 09:08 AM
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55. Was to come down this year for reunion......won't be now....n/t
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poe Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 08:14 PM
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32. fences and borders-cages and walls-the giuliani group
employees at the attorney generals office in mexico city are required to have a micro-chip implant. security. courtesy of the giuliani group.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 08:19 PM
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33. not for tourists only
http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,65412,00.html
"New U.S. passports will soon be read remotely at borders around the world, thanks to embedded chips that will broadcast on command an individual's name, address and digital photo to a computerized reader."
-snip-
"But civil libertarians and some technologists say the chips are actually a boon to identity thieves, stalkers and commercial data collectors, since anyone with the proper reader can download a person's biographical information and photo from several feet away."
-snip-
"Even if they wanted to store this info in a chip, why have a chip that can be read remotely?" asked Barry Steinhardt, who directs the American Civil Liberty Union's Technology and Liberty program. "Why not require the passport be brought in contact with a reader so that the passport holder would know it had been captured? Americans in the know will be wrapping their passports in aluminum foil."

Yet another use for aluminum foil, brought to you from the guys and gals at Homeland Security.
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orthogonal Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 08:43 PM
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36. UPDATE

Update: the Washington Post reports that the RFID tags would be affixed to documents, not implanted in people.


But as "poe" reminds us, RFID tags are already being used on government employees in Mexico.

Which reminds me of my earlier speculation that this was done possibly at the behest of the U.S. government

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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 08:56 PM
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39. On documents? That's a drag. I was hoping for some trendy nose rings at
Edited on Thu Jan-27-05 08:57 PM by yellowcanine
least. Or perhaps a discreet belly button stud.
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oppositionmember Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 09:12 PM
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41. Staple it to their ears!
If they don't like it they can go to Euro-Disney!!!
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Flagg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:50 AM
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54. It's called Disney Land Paris Resort now.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 09:14 PM
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42. stamped into their passports?
way to go, bushit.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 09:17 PM
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43. Friedman, in today's NYT op-ed was talking about how Europeans don't
want to visit the US because of the hassles at the borders. This is one more offensive road block for them.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 09:19 PM
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45. If they do this to US citizens, it would be like something from
The Revelation of John. "The Mark fo the Beast" is supposed to be some form of state ID. These nuts are devising their own version of the armageddon story.
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ChicanoPwr Donating Member (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 09:42 PM
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46. I got the solution, why not use: The RFID Tag Blocker
RSA Security has the answer.

The Blocker Tag: Selective Blocking of RFID Tags for Consumer Privacy
http://www.rsasecurity.com/rsalabs/node.asp?id=2060

Abstract: The RSA Blocker Tag is an invention of RSA Laboratories scientists in conjunction with Prof. Ronald Rivest. Consumers will almost certainly wish to possess live RFID tags in many of their belongings -- for "smart" appliances, prescription refills, automated payment, store returns, and so forth. At the same time, they do not want their RFID tags to be scanned indiscriminately. The RSA Blocker Tag is itself a RFID tag -- in size and cost much like a conventional RFID tag. The RSA Blocker Tag, however, helps consumers to manage their live RFID tags in a privacy-protecting manner.

One may think of a the RSA Blocker Tag as "spamming" any reader that attempts to scan tags without the right authorization. (The RSA Blocker Tag manipulates the reading protocol with the aim of making the reader think that RFID tags representing all possible serial numbers are present.) When a Blocker is in proximity to ordinary RFID tags, they benefit from its shielding behavior; when the Blocker tag is removed, the ordinary RFID tags may be used normally.

Thanks to their selective nature, RSA Blocker Tags are designed not to interfere with the normal operation of RFID systems in retail environments. They help prevent unwanted scanning of purchased items, but do not affect the scanning of shop inventories. Thus RSA Blocker Tags are designed not to be usable, for example, to circumvent theft-control systems or mount denial-of-service attacks -- only to protect the privacy of law-abiding consumers.
--------------------------------------------------

talk about worlds within worlds
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 09:45 PM
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47. big deal a terrorist only has to illegal cross the mexican border
not only is that a serious invasion of privacy...it doesn't even
do anything with illegals pouring over the border.

nobody's "tagging" them.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 10:01 PM
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49. Wait til the righteous rich realize they have noone to do their dirty work
These fuckers are so short-sighted they don't even realize they are digging their own graves.
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ChicanoPwr Donating Member (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 10:06 PM
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50. WELCOME TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER BOYS AND GIRLS
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:44 AM
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52. OnStar will become mandatory in new cars...
Soon...this technology will creep in and suddenly everybody will be tracked and logged.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 09:39 AM
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58. First they came for tourists and I did nothing because I was not a tourist
This is an outrage -
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