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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:22 PM
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Rumsfeld denies consideration of "Salvador option"
Ok, we can stop talking about this, it's official, Rummy says it's not happening.

http://www.wric.com/Global/story.asp?S=2795964

PENTAGON "Somebody has been reading too many spy novels."
That reaction came today from Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to reports, published on Newsweek's Web site, that suggest military planners are mulling a so-called "Salvador option" for use against Iraqi insurgents.

It draws its name from the Reagan administration policy of training nationalist hit squads during the guerrilla war in the early 1980's.

Newsweek reports the plan is for American Special Forces units to train Iraqi soldiers to serve as "death squads" to hunt down insurgents. The Newsweek report also suggests the units might even go into places like Syria to hunt down insurgent leaders.

Rumsfeld says "the Pentagon doesn't do things like that." He also says the type of training that Iraqi soldiers are receiving "doesn't involve the kinds of things that are characterized in that story."
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:24 PM
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1. Don't Take Anything The Bushites Say As Gospel
including anything from the gospel that they've managed to mangle to their own purposes!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:24 PM
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2. I LOVE that he has to disavow it.....
I love that the "Salvador Option" got a name and mention in the press. I don't think we would have gotten than a couple of years ago, press-wise.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:27 PM
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6. RWers have been openly calling for an "El Salvador model"
I recall one David Brooks column lauding the great success of U.S. policy in El Salvador, and calling for Iraq policy to follow that course. He mentioned the elections, but didn't mention the death squads.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:28 PM
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7. Maybe he thinks no one noticed the squads............n/t
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:53 PM
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28. "the Pentagon doesn't do things like that."
Uh, Rummy, in fact it did -- in El Salvador -- that's where the name 'the Salvador Option' comes from.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:37 PM
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22. BWAHAHAHA revealing the "true colors" of the RW!!!
It's biting them in the "A"!!!! *LOL*

Interesting how FAUX is suddenly anti-torture (in support of neoCONimperialists' newly selected HS head) when they were previously advocating the WH/Pentagon/DoD/Gonzales breach of laws against torture (calling them merely induction tests akin to frat crap).
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:25 PM
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3. Whew, that's a relief!
Thanks for making me feel better, Rummy!

:eyes:
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:25 PM
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4. Dismissing as "spy novel" something THE US ACTUALLY DID ONCE
How could anyone believe the US would do something that it actually did? You probably believe that US soldiers could commit torture, that people are being held without trial, that our troops carriers have armor, and that we didn't find WMD in Iraq.

You really should stop being so suspicious and get on the Bush team.
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Soopercali Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:40 PM
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11. Actually, twice.
Don't forget Operation Phoenix in Vietnam.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:54 PM
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13. the Pentagon doesn't do things like---and MSM inserts spoon & contents
ah, satisfying.
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:26 PM
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5. he's right
The Pentagon doesn't do things like that. It's more of a CIA / White House black op thing. Plausible denial and all that jazz.

Rumsfeld's denial means squat.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:29 PM
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8. Lies!
And more lies to cover up the first set of lies. That's all these Fascist Neo-Cons can do is lie. I believe NOTHING they say. Only look at what they do.

My .02
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:29 PM
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9. If NOT, why the HELL is Negroponte there?


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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:10 PM
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18. You mean Ambassador Death?
Why is it that wherever the man goes that death is everywhere, people are tortured, people go missing? :eyes:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:23 PM
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21. Hi Pachamama
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 05:43 PM by Swamp Rat
I'm disgusted... with the R's, the D's, the Cons, the Libs, the left the Right, the The's...most Americans... the inhumanity throughout the world...

:hug:

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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:18 PM
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29. I'm disgusted too...I feel like I'm living in a nightmare or some kind of
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 07:19 PM by Pachamama
parallel universe because the disgusting, evil, sick behaviour from this administration in the form of a premptive unjust war based on lies, evidence of abuse and torture, hearings where a fucking nominee for Attorney General has actually used his knowledge of the law to figure out how to circumvent laws prohibiting torture & justify it ( who is subsequentely then told by "so-called" Dems asking questions in hearings that "he's loved" and we are all supposed to go "AWWW, look at his nice wife and kids-so what about the torture-thingy"

What the F? Is this America? How can any decent human not be outraged or revolted by this? And then that there is talk about having Death Squads and talking about it in terms like its a decision about whether or not to buy an HDTV plasma monitor?

Things are spiralling downward real fast...I heard a quote on the radio of Shit for Brains W saying something like "Wow, the next 4 years haven't even started yet"....

We haven't even seen the worst of things....
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da_chimperor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:35 PM
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10. Yeah, and the US wasn't actually using napalm in fallujah
It was super-napalm, so saying napalm was used in fallujah is technically not true even though the effective was the same. Same thing goes in this case, but instead of calling it the 'Salvador Option', they're calling it 'Operation Massive Collateral Damage' instead. :eyes:
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:43 PM
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12. His denial confirms that they are in fact about to do it
Always believe the opposite of what these warmongers say and you'll never be tricked.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:35 PM
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14. This means Rumsfeld will change the name.
That's what he did with other things the public didn't like.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:40 PM
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25. YOU GOT IT!!!! Our own personal U.S. psy-ops machine!!!! eom
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:37 PM
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15. Hell, I have a friend who did assainations in Nam.
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 04:37 PM by Tandalayo_Scheisskop
Worked alone. Used an Icepick. SEAL.

I think that the brass likes this kind of stuff. Gives them teenie, weenie little boners and whatnot.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:44 PM
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16. Oh, shit
The carefully misleading denial: "the Pentagon doesn't do things like that." Read: We get someone else to actually do the killing.

Remember when Bush was asked about the torture (way back, when it first came up) he said, "We don't torture people in America." Read: we do it elsewhere or get someone else to do it.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:45 PM
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17. This has been going on the whole while
Of course when Negraponte got on board, it really picked up steam. Look at the interrogations that led to death in Abu Gharib.
I can't wait for the war crimes tribunal. Rummy can go first for his duties as chief apologist.
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deacon2 Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:10 PM
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19. I believe Rummy. There is no policy of torture either...
the earth is flat, conservatives really are compassionate, we don't invade countries for oil, the contras were the moral equivalent of the founding fathers, if we just cut taxes the future will be bright, government isn't the solution - government is the problem (at least this one!), God is always on our side and Santa Claus plays pinochle with Jesus on Friday nights. Next?
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:15 PM
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20. It's official then. We have the denial...
Once they deny, you know it's true
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:37 PM
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23. Didn't they get their Iraq invasion idea from spy novels?
No, wait it was a PNAC white paper, more like a neocon nursery tale.
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hangloose Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:39 PM
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24. What about the CIA and mercenaries I'm sure they do!
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:44 PM
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26. Yup. The Pentagon's WELL-FINANCED PRIVATE MERCS!!!
There ya' go!!! :bounce:

Our soldiers will take the hit via Military Code.

These neoCONimperialist-supported, American treasure-funded mercs will get off FREE AND CLEAR,...and prolly have a bright future in the neoCONimperialist political world!!!

Wanna' bet?
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:52 PM
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27. Rummy denies it? Then it must be true.
Hey, maybe they won't try Saddam Hussein -- they'll hire him as a consultant on their tactics in Iraq.
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ScrewyRabbit Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:32 PM
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30. Yeah, sure, that's why Cheney brought up El Salvador in the debate
with Edwards. He specifically pointed to El Salvador as a model for Iraq. I remember when he said it I almost flipped my car I was so angry.
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