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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:37 AM
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Fallujah Residents Angry Over Destruction
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/2005...

~snip~


His anger against the Americans and Iraqi forces allied with them has only grown since his return a worrisome sign for U.S. officials letting people back into Fallujah, a one-time insurgent stronghold where the population was generally believed to support the fighters.


"When I see Americans in Fallujah I feel as if I am seeing devils in front of me," he said.


On Dec. 23, the first people allowed into the city were residents of the western neighborhood of Andalus. The Iraqi government announced over the weekend that all the city's neighborhoods will be open for returnees this Friday. The government said so far some 60,000 people have returned to the city.


Few houses escaped damage from the intense American air raids late last year and the insurgent bombings and shootings that followed. Work teams have cleared rubble from the streets, but it is still tangled with downed power lines. Craters cut off access to side streets, and some buildings have walls or ceilings missing if they weren't simply destroyed.


There were suggestions before people began to return that they would have no idea of the devastation the campaign wrought. Some Marines south of the city reported people told them they thought Fallujah was practically unscathed.

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:40 AM
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1. Guernica anyone?

The ending says it all....

~snip~

"When I came back the next day I found the house totally burnt although there were no weapons in it and the Americans had earlier put a blue X sign," he said.

Though he had no evidence, he immediately blamed the United States for killing and wounding civilians. He did not mention Iraq (news - web sites)'s insurgents.

"The Americans have destroyed our city," he said.

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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:45 AM
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2. People of Fallujah opposed Saddam Hussein for 3 decades...and in 2 yrs
America destroyed everything they ever had.

Let's ask the people of Fallujah who's worse; America or Hussein.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:47 AM
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4. The US Military is in denial....
Deep shit denial....

~snip~

American officials have characterized their November battle as a fight to liberate Fallujah and have said the people returning have generally welcomed being free from the grip of the insurgents.


"Losing your home is a very emotionally distressing, no matter how the loss came about. All human beings will experience a roller coaster of feelings and undoubtedly look for someone to blame," Maj. M. Naoimi Hawkins, spokeswoman for the 4th Civil Affairs unit, wrote in an e-mail. "Many Iraqi residents have made it clear to me that they realize that foreign fighters brought about the destruction and are ultimately the ones to blame."

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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:49 AM
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6. Total denial??? Or just total LYING.
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 04:50 AM by LynnTheDem
My bet is the latter.


Well I guess he's telling the truth; FOREIGN FIGHTERS All of whom are wearing US military uniforms.
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tngledwebb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:58 AM
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9. Good call!
n/t
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:59 AM
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10. I am betting a lot of people on the ground are in denial...
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 05:00 AM by leftchick
How the hell else can they justify the carnage they have brought these people? For sure the Brass is lying. I agree totally Lynn, the US is indeed the "foreign fighters" in this fucking war.

(btw... how do you make those big bold letters? I could use them lately around here! :) )
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:37 AM
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13. Justify? By lying themselves sick.
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 05:41 AM by LynnTheDem
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:20 AM
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15. That major is a lying sack of shit
He doesn't speak the language -- and he hears what he wants to hear from the translators.

After seeing photos of the "insurgents" and knowing that thousands of males of military age were not allowed to leave -- there is a very high probability that most of the people killed (and in some cases murdered) by the US Military were residents of Fallujah.

Bush is the one who is "ultimately the one to blame".

Bush is guilty of war crimes on a grand scale -- in this case he has probably undone his daddy. But since there are no public body counts from the first Gulf war -- it is hard to tell which of the bushies has the highest body count.
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:47 AM
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3. Just wait for the deathsquads to hit the ground running.
Wait until we start rounding up nieborhoods where 'insurgents' hole up and 'detain' them, or outright kill them, to make an example.

We will really win their hearts and minds then.

Amazing how we are becoming what we said we were going to fight. And it is completely unecessary in the first place.

We were totally capable of taking care of Bin Laden and his few followers without enraging a majority of the planet. Or invading countries that had nothing to do with 9/11.

Then again that really has nothing to do with why we are in Iraq.

It all starts to make a sick sort of sense once one realizes that this is really about the neocon dream of asserting American power across the globe to ensure that no one ever rises to the level that they COULD become a threat.

Makes no difference if they are or not. We are the sole remaining superpower, and what we say goes in their minds.

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davhill Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:48 AM
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5. We have liberated Iraqis
Liberated them from their homes, their posessions, their livelyhoods, and in some cases we have even liberated them from life itself.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:53 AM
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8. In some 100,000+ cases.
And God only knows how many we liberated from their various limbs and eyes and assorted other body parts.

America better hope & pray there is NO JUST GOD; because if there is, the payback due to us will make 911 look like a fun day at the park.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:24 AM
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16. Freedom's just another word
For nothing left to lose. Fallujah is free at last, free at last, thank Halliburton almighty it's free at last!
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:43 AM
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17. Just a practice run for what they have planned here
Liberate the Amerukin citizens from their homes, their money, posessions, jobs, and (eventually) their lives.

These people (*) have NO morals whatsoever
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:50 AM
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7. Well, there we go again. Creating another wonderful recruiting
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 05:26 AM by The Backlash Cometh
opportunity for Al Qaeda.
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ze_dscherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:08 AM
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11. Read this report from The Guardian
City of ghosts

On November 8, the American army launched its biggest ever assault on the Iraqi city of Falluja, considered a stronghold for rebel fighters. The US said the raid had been a huge success, killing 1,200 insurgents. Most of the city's 300,000 residents, meanwhile, had fled for their lives. What really happened in the siege of Falluja? In a joint investigation for the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Iraqi doctor Ali Fadhil compiled the first independent reports from the devastated city, where he found scores of unburied corpses, rabid dogs - and a dangerously embittered population


http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1387460,00....
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:20 AM
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12. Lovely: "Fuck Iraq and every Iraqi in it!" from the US Military!
This is an unbelievable article. Thank you for posting it. I am so ashamed to be an American....

~snip~

Fallujans are suspicious of outsiders, so I found it surprising when Nihida Kadhim, a housewife, beckoned me into her home. She had just arrived back in the city to check out her house; the government had told the people three days earlier that they should start going home. She called me into her living room. On her mirror she pointed to a message that had been written in her lipstick. She couldn't read English. It said: "Fuck Iraq and every Iraqi in it!"

"They are insulting me, aren't they?" she asked.

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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 06:06 AM
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14. American soldiers- ambassadors to the world n/t
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no_to_war_economy Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 11:55 AM
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23. also from the Guardian
" Despite the intense fight in Falluja, the insurgency has gathered pace across Iraq, particularly in the northern city of Mosul, once a model of peace and calm, and in Baghdad, where the deputy police chief was assassinated yesterday. "

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,13...

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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 01:07 PM
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26. OMG!!! How horrible.
We destroyed an entire city!!! For what? To accomplish what? MORE REASONS to absolutely HATE the U.S.A.?

:cry: :argh:
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LevelB Donating Member (181 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:52 AM
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18. I guess this guy did not read his script
Wasn't he supposed to be throwing flowers?

Unbelievable. :eyes:

B.
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:04 AM
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19. Rense is putting up Fallujah articles/latest
Yesterday, two more US soldiers were killed when a
bomb destroyed their Abrams tank in
Baghdad.

Try finding the above on the web.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/story.jsp?stor...

Some Marines south of the city reported people told them
-this is a source?
-Who the fuck around Fallujah would
talk to a marine.







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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:08 AM
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20. It was on Yahoo yesterday....
then the story changed to a Bradley fighting vehicle. Can't have the murkins knowing the resistance can blow up tanks now!
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 11:50 AM
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21. Destruction of Abrams tanks is indicative of this whole cluster f***k

They say this is the only military super power left in the world.

And yet our main battle tank is vulnerable to a single individual with a shoulder fired weapon. You have to wonder how it would do head to head against another nations armor.

Sorry, I keep forgetting that the purpose of the abrams is not to fight in wars. It's purpose is only to make profit for the military-industrial-congressional complex.

An old phrase from the 60s keeps coming to mind:

What would happen if they gave a war and nobody came?
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 01:01 PM
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25. yes. The Neurobiology of Mass Delusion
Rationalization: to actively participate in the
deception of the mind.

The truth can only be pushed so far before rebellion occurs.
As in "to kill the messenger".

http://energybulletin.net/3948.html

Love your posts and pics,
James
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:13 PM
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27. I love yours as well!
:)
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 12:05 PM
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24. Read this to get an idea. It isn't pretty....
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 12:46 PM by leftchick
City of ghosts

On November 8, the American army launched its biggest ever assault on the Iraqi city of Falluja, considered a stronghold for rebel fighters. The US said the raid had been a huge success, killing 1,200 insurgents. Most of the city's 300,000 residents, meanwhile, had fled for their lives. What really happened in the siege of Falluja? In a joint investigation for the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Iraqi doctor Ali Fadhil compiled the first independent reports from the devastated city, where he found scores of unburied corpses, rabid dogs - and a dangerously embittered population Watch an extract from the documentary

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1387460,00....

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