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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 04:00 PM
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Airplane Passengers Subdue Man on Flight
Airplane Passengers Subdue Troublesome Passenger on Flight From Hawaii to Los Angeles

The Associated Press

LOS ANGELES Sept. 14
Airplane passengers subdued and then duct-taped a man who was pacing the aisle and reading loudly from the Bible during a flight from Hawaii, police and witnesses said.

No one was injured, and the man was handed over to authorities after the plane landed at Los Angeles International Airport early Sunday, said Sgt. Carl Sansbury of the airport police.

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20030914_1108.html
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 04:04 PM
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1. My mom is on a flight from SF to Hawaii right now
I think my heart just skipped a beat ...Breathe ...
It's not her flight ...

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lcordero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 04:06 PM
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2. Pretty innovative
I wonder if it would be feasible to have these Bible thumpers that hang out on the street corner with a megaphone arrested for being a public nuisance or maybe for disturbing the peace.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 04:09 PM
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4. I can't believe a DU-er said that.
Think for a minute. Do you really want people prevented from speaking their mind in public places??????

Geez!!!!!!!!!!!
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Blitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 04:24 PM
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9. Amen!!
eom
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chasqui Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 04:38 PM
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12. Wait a minute!!
These guys are not speaking their minds!
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 04:44 PM
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14. Perhaps... but I wish they were speaking in
Mimes... ;-)
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 05:12 PM
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17. Excuse the fuck out of me, but if I'm a pax on a plane and some nutball
bastard starts doing that, I'll do more than duct tape the motherfucker.
I'd send him to 'paradise' so fast he wouldn't even find the 72 virgins.
:grr:
BAH
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 05:21 PM
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20. I wouldn't hurt him
But I promise he would have a one heck of a time retrieving that bible from up his ass when it was all over with.

Don

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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 05:27 PM
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22. ROFL....well, if it was a -really big- bible, I might use that option too.
:D
I guess my perspective as a commercial pilot is a little more, uh,
'intense'. I'd have a very dim view of anybody carrying on like that (and for the record, would have the same reaction if the guy were reading from the Koran and most likely Shakespeare as well...especially if it was something from Hamlet) ;-)
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:45 PM
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38. These hostile reactions here are disturbing.
OK, maybe there was more disturbance to the other passengers than is described in the excerpt. But I've wondered since 9/11 how much free speech is tolerated on a plane before people freak out and 'subdue' the speaker. Does the Bill of Rights apply at high altitude? I fly frequently and often have political discussions with neighbors about the BFEE, Patriot Act and other relevant topics as an exercise in interactive citizenship. I carry a copy of the US Constitution and it has been handy in discussing the First Amendment with interested strangers. And many are genuinely interested and motivated to explore
recommended websites such as this very one. I've imagined announcing info or exhortations to boot Bush to my fellow travelers but wondered whether I'd get tagged as a 'problem passenger' by the airline staff. Where is the line between acceptable discourse and 'nutjob talk' at 35,000 feet?
Admittedly, confinement requires a delicate group etiquette but not the elimination of communication beyond ordering a drink and a bag of nuts.
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chasqui Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 11:00 PM
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41. Does the Bill of Rights apply
Over international waters?
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sociopath Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 05:27 PM
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21. 72 virgins?
I thought the passenger was reading the Bible? Does the christian faith have these 72 virgins when they die???

Or was he Islamic?
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 05:39 PM
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23. It was a generic reference to fundy nutballs.
:eyes:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:24 PM
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35. "72 virgins"???
What airline has flight attendants like that? :silly:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:33 PM
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37. I heard that was a mistranslation for raisins. 72 raisins.
Edited on Sun Sep-14-03 10:34 PM by aquart
Pretty parsimonious eternity if that's true.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 05:39 PM
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24. Proselytizing on a 5 hour flight where you have no choice but to
listen is not free speech. No one has the right to disturb people who pay money to transit from point A to B. I'd say this meets my definition of "nut case".
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LosinIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:32 PM
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36. My 18 yr old daughter went off on some Mormons on a 5 hr bus ride
from Salt Lake City to Elko, Nevada. She finally couldn't take their 'conversation' any longer after listening to BibleSpeak for several hours and told them that she didn't pay to have a rolling church service simply a bus ride. One of the guys apologized to her afterwards making her feel badly that she had gone off so harshly. I told her not to worry about it, it is tough being subjected to that when you can't get away.
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soupkitchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 05:16 PM
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18. The're exactly the people who the 1st was designed to protect
Edited on Sun Sep-14-03 05:25 PM by soupkitchen
The people on the street corners, I mean
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 06:34 PM
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28. You think the 1st was designed for some idiot with a bullhorn to stand...
Edited on Sun Sep-14-03 07:03 PM by NNN0LHI
...in front of your house at 2AM screaming about the lawd while you are trying to sleep? Come on now. Get real. Let someone try that it in front of my house sometime at 2AM and see what I think about their rights to the 1st Amendment.

Don

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soupkitchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 07:07 PM
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29. Well megaphones aren't protected by free speech
Nor is hanging out in front of someones house at 2 a.m.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 07:15 PM
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30. Well. That is what the poster said and you agreed he was wrong
>>>I wonder if it would be feasible to have these Bible thumpers that hang out on the street corner with a megaphone arrested for being a public nuisance or maybe for disturbing the peace.<<<

And I worked the midnight shift for 20 years, so the same would hold true at 2PM if I was trying to get some sleep after working all night long. Know what I mean?

Don


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celestia671 Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:18 PM
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34. I think..
the poster was referring to the ones you see on the street corners in the cities. As long as they're not harrasing or threatening anyone, what's the big deal? Just ignore them.

It's a different story, however, when the person is on an airplane and can't be ignored, or standing outside your house at 2 am.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 04:08 PM
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3. Was it that judge from Alabama maybe?
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 04:10 PM
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5. I guess they're trying to kick God out of our airplanes too?
:eyes:

silly fundies...
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:51 PM
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39. Remember, the movie "Airplane" with Leslie Nielson?
This reminds me so much of that film!

:crazy:
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neomonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 04:17 PM
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6. Ashes To Ashcroft will let this slide
Love the BS obligatory line from the feds:

Eager could face a federal charge of interfering with a flight crew, Sansbury said.


This was a good ol' god-fearing christian from texas, for chrissakes. Do you really think the US justice system will treat him as harshly as he was treated by a bunch of newly-tanned Hawaii-pacified folks just wanting desperately to get home safely?
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Evanstondem Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:56 PM
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40. Or Arrest the Passengers
Who subdued the God-fearing Christian.
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_NorCal_D_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 04:20 PM
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7. Yikes.
Not the smartest thing to do so close to 9/11.
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twilight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 04:21 PM
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8. duct tape again!
Works every friggin time!

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke:
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 04:33 PM
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11. Who had the duct tape in their carry-on??
That's what I wanna know.

The flight attendants don't keep a tool box in the cabin, do they?

Where did this duct tape come from? :shrug:
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 04:41 PM
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13. And why don't the flight attendants. . .
have a supply of plastic handcuffs on board in the event of such a disturbance? Geez. Do I have to do all of Tom Ridge's thinking for him?
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 08:06 PM
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32. Yes, you do.....n/t
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 05:02 PM
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15. I have been wondering the same thing for about an hour now
But I can promise one thing. The next time I get on a plane I will have a roll with me. Yup.

Don

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Ivory_Tower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 05:06 PM
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16. I remember that advice from years ago
I always carried duct tape in my carry-on luggage, just in case my checked luggage was damaged on arrival. You use the duct tape to seal up the broken/torn suitcases.

I thought duct tape was banned, though.

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 05:20 PM
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19. If I ever fly again, maybe a duct tape bangle braclet would look good?
Ranting fundies best be forwarned not to even start up around me.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 05:49 PM
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25. Why, everyone has duct tape!
Every American bought duct tape way back when we were all told to use it to seal the plastic on the safe rooms in our homes. So, am sure, as a mtter of self-preservation and peace of mind, any American in their right mind would of course carry duct tape in their carry-ons :evilgrin:

(wish there were a .gif for duct tape. :think:)
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 05:51 PM
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26. Here ya go
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 05:55 PM
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27. Thanks!
...and just the right size to conveniently fit into my on board makeup case. Hey, this would make a cute lighted compact! :think:
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 04:27 PM
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10. Perhaps his behavior was more menacing than the article reveals.
And, if so, I probably would have been relieved to see him subdued and restrained. But maybe that's just me because I hate to fly, anyway. Dealing with a religious whacko onboard would make me jump right out of my skin.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 08:01 PM
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31. Even under better circumstances
Religeon should be a private matter. Not something to share with distracted fellow passengers.
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old_dad Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 09:16 PM
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33. It is sunday
Perhaps he was just a Southern Baptist minister on his way home from vacation. It is Sunday.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 11:22 PM
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42. They should have tossed his ass out the door and
let him use his bible as God's umbrella :eyes:

/anti-fundie-zealot
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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 03:51 AM
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43. Crazy fundies
Airplane passengers subdued and then duct-taped a man who was pacing the aisle and reading loudly from the Bible...

Sounds like a freeper!
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