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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:05 AM
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Sinn Fein meets over £26m raid
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 09:05 AM by emad
Sinn Fein meets over £26m raid
Press Association
Saturday January 8, 2005 2:18 PM


Sinn Fein leaders were holding an emergency meeting after the IRA was publicly blamed for the £26.5 million Northern Bank robbery.

Members of the republican party's national executive will gather in Dublin amid a deepening political crisis following Chief Constable Hugh Orde's assessment.

SF leader Martin McGuinness was left seething by the declaration, challenging Mr Orde to produce any evidence to back his claim.

But with unionists demanding that Prime Minister Tony Blair ban republicans from any future devolved administration, hopes of any short term peace deal in Ulster seem dashed.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,1271,-472013...


"The world's biggest heist of waste paper" - Commander Hugh Orde

See:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:09 AM
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1. IRA bank raid claims 'damaging'
BBC

Paul Murphy said the political process was 'deeply damaged'

The IRA's alleged involvement in a £26m robbery has damaged the peace process, Northern Ireland secretary Paul Murphy has said.
He acknowledged a deal to restore devolution was unrealistic before the next general election.

PSNI Chief Constable Hugh Orde said on Friday that he believed the IRA was behind December's Northern Bank raid.

Sinn Fein has rejected the claim. The DUP is calling on the government to move ahead without republicans.

Mr Murphy said alleged republican paramilitary involvement in the raid on the bank's head office in Belfast on 20 December "offended the principles" of the Good Friday Agreement aimed at restoring devolved government.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4156589.stm
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:12 AM
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2. IRA raid claims: what happens now? (BBC)
IRA raid claims: what happens now?

By Mark Devenport
BBC Northern Ireland political editor


Northern Ireland's chief constable had been accused by unionists of staying silent because of political pressure.

Now that Hugh Orde has broken his silence, he stands accused by republicans of politically biased policing.

The chief constable could not have been any clearer in pinning the blame for last month's £26.5m Northern Bank raid on the Provisional IRA.

So far, the kind of hard evidence admissible in court is lacking.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4157233.stm
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SweetLeftFoot Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:41 AM
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3. Given that ...
Ian paisley has made it clear he wants no part of genuine peace process and will settle for nothing less than a humiliating IRA surrender, why shouldn't they go and top up the pension fund.

I tell you, there is a few kilos of semtex with that old bastards name on it, there really is.
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:44 AM
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4. That's one line of thought the Saville enquiry came up with
recently....especially after Hugh Orde's in camera evidence about "every UK prime minister since Harold Wilson having hired personal hit squads to ease their way into public office"....
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SweetLeftFoot Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:47 AM
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5. Patrick Mercer
Tory Defence spokesperson always called "potential Prime Ministerial amterial" in the papers - used to run the FRU.

The man who ordered the Finucane hit and that lovely explosion that killed Rosemary Nelson in front of her kids. Scum.
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:49 AM
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6. The story about the double-agent "Stakeknife" is a good case
in point.

Hope that 2005 will see the MoD gag lifted on this insidious bit of revision.
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SweetLeftFoot Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:53 AM
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7. Stakeknife
Hmmm .... very strange one that. Was it indeed Scap? Even given the delicate nature of the peace process, you'd thinbk that if it was, he'd have met a nasty accident by now, if not the traditional journey down to the barn in South Armagh.

I still think Stakeknife was an FRU psy-op aimed at getting the Provos paranoid.

Some idiots say it was gerry Kelly.
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:58 AM
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9. Not Scap but a member of the Gelli family. Best bet: Henry Gelli,
long time UK resident, originally from Cuba. Closely libked with recruitment of Asian/Middle Eastern malcontents* who lost their $$$$$ when BCCI collapsed and their Dubai-based money laundering ops were closed down.

Also involved in Banco Ambrosiano collapse. I understand his personal intelligence/secutiry file is in the budnle handed over by City of London police to the Roberto Calvi murder trial in Rome - where Licio Gelli and Flavio Carboni are in the dock.

*NB not the UK-based creditors of BCCI who are currently suing Bank of England in the London High Court for misfeasance.
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SweetLeftFoot Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:02 AM
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10. Wonder where
Monaghan and the "eco-tourist" boyos in Colombia are now. man with his experience could make a whole lot of money. Especially if what they say about islamist activity in South America is true.
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:18 AM
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12. Operation GLADIO
during 1974 that Gelli met secretly with Alexander
Haig.  Formerly, the NATO Supreme Commander, Haig
had meanwhile become President Nixon’s White House Chief
of Staff.  The secret meeting was held in the US Embassy
in Rome.  Receiving the blessing of Henry Kissinger, the
US National Security Adviser, Gelli left the meeting with
a promise of continued financial support for the Gladio
network and it’s plan for the “internal subversion.” of
Italian political life.  As welcome as this was, Gelli
required additional funds to support P2 and operation
Gladio.

 He turned to P2 member Roberto Calvi, Chairman of
Banco Ambrosiano - the largest non-state owned bank in
Italy.  Calvi began to illegally siphon money from his bank,
using the Vatican bank - the Istituto per de Religione (IOR)
to launder it.  Almost certainly, Gelli had a hold over
Calvi.  Earlier, in 1967, the former head of the Italian
Secret Service had joined P2 and brought with him
150,000 sensitive dossiers that had been compiled on
highly placed individuals of Italian society. 

 Whether as a result of blackmail or political ideology,
Calvi continued to funnel a vast amount of funds to Gelli and
P2, bankrupting his bank in the
process. 

http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/operation_gladio.htm
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:14 AM
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11. When will England start working w/ the IRA
5 November 2004. A. writes:

The correct spelling of Martin Ingram's identitiy is
JACK GRANTHAM, and his FRU colleague, who calls
himself Kevin Fulton is Newry-born PETER
KEELEY.

GARDA/IRA ALLEGED COLLUSION INQUIRY

The former Force Research Unit (FRU) operative
Jack Gratham -- who uses the pseudonym "Martin
Ingram" when dealing with the media -- is reported to have
fled the Republic of Ireland after two Garda Security
Branch detectives called at his home in County
Kerry.

http://cryptome.org/fru-grantham.htm
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:27 AM
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13. every UK prime minister since Harold Wilson
the UK'sOp GLADIO was codenamed
STAYBEHIND:

 Britain’s “Stay Behind” unit was modified after the war, for
a “secondary use.”  This was to combat “the takeover of
civil government by militant leftwing groups.”  The network
was operated by Britain’s intelligence services and
selected members of the armed forces.  Rumours persist
that Harold Wilson’s Labour government was the target of
a Gladio type campaign not dissimilar to that of Italy. 
Wilson’s surprise resignation has been credited to a dirty
tricks campaign operated by British intelligence at the behest
of the US.  Known as operation “Clockwork Orange”
Army psyops personnel began “fabricating” evidence
that showed that senior members of the Wilson
Cabinet, including the Prime Minister himself, were
Soviet dupes.  Waiting in the wings were senior military
and other rightwing figures alleged to be planning a military
style “Coup D’Etat” in the event that the Labour government
won the forthcoming
election.

http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/operation_gladio.htm
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 09:51 AM
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16. Coup d'Etat: Margaret Thatcher attempted just that in 1982 after
Edited on Sun Jan-09-05 10:27 AM by emad
the Falklands biz with the help of VP Bush. The attempt was foiled and she, Reagan, Bush and a host of UK/US military and diplomatic advisers were sued in the UK and US courts.

The role of failed Asian banking giant BCCI was seminal to this. The current £1billion London class action brought by some 20,000 former BCCI creditors against the Bank of England citing misfeasance has fought tooth and nail to subpoena security/intelligence files related to this.

Opening shots were fired last January with the defence commencing last July. The action resumes this week after various appeals that went all the way to the House of Lords to lift individual gagging orders protecting former and current politicians and members of the security/intelligence community.

Thatcher had previously attempted a defence of immunity from prosecution/testifying on grounds of national security. This was successfully challenged after the Calvi murder trial was adjourned in Rome following the City of London police handing over 70 crates of previously "unavailable" evidence.

House of Lords ruled Thatcher had no defence in the BCCI matter as it was only her personal/political reputation that was at stake and not a matter of national security.

Some of this evidence relates to how BCCI attempted to flood the UK with £50billion of forged banknotes in the coup attempt.

Should make interesting headlines in 2005 when the two lawsuits resume.
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 08:39 PM
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17. Damn. The Thatcher family meets prosecutors
Is there enough money to put up w/
this?
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 09:25 PM
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19. Because it is stealing?
Because it terrorized two different families while they were held at gunpoint all day? (And I think one person had to be hospitalized).

Because it was morally wrong?

Instead of "topping off the pension fund" couldn't those folks go out and get a job?

Oh, way to go advocating political murder! That really moves things along on a rational basis! Paisley is a piece of shit, but whacking him does nothing. IRA is nothing but gangsters nowadays.

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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:53 AM
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8. Blair can't afford Northern Ireland right now
Hell, he can't afford Iraq right now.

And the following costs have just gone up
since '93.

http://www.newint.org/issue255/facts.htm

Go home UK, go home.

You'll do it, one way or the other.


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CONN Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:34 AM
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14. Peace process wrecked w/Orde blaming IRA
Like the break-in at RUC Special Branch offices in Castlereagh a few years ago prior to election. This quick to blame (why investigate) the Provos/IRA is a political move by the established powers (Blair, etc) designed to weaken Sinn Fein.
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bin.dare Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:54 AM
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15. you are totally correct plus ...
... this is not really about the IRA but about Sinn Fein. SF is the dominant nationalist party in the North and making significant political inroads in the republic. There has been a concerted effort to de-legitimize SF at every turn.

Always at crucial moments in the peace process, an IRA "event" occurs, always leading to hand-wringing, etc etc etc, but no progress. The talks are always stalled. Does anyone really believe that is a coincidence? That these IRA events are staged is crystal clear and should be obvious to anyone who looks.

Mass murderer tony bLIAR's government (consistent with previous governments) is behind this. Why would bLIAR not want peace? There is a hellova lot of hidden shit that will see the light of day when Sinn Fein are part of the North government. bLIAR, thatcher's favorite son, is implicated deeply in this shit too.

So again, this is not about the IRA but about keeping Sinn Fein out of government.
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eric144 Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 09:19 PM
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18. I totally agree with what you said
Edited on Sun Jan-09-05 09:21 PM by eric144
The British government is behind all recent IRA events including Omagh. The plan is to marginalise Sein Feinn and put all factions of the provisional IRA out of business.

British double-agent was in Real IRA's Omagh bomb team
http://www.sundayherald.com/print17827

Northern Ireland: Allegations of British collusion in Omagh bombing
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/sep2001/ire-a04_prn.s...



"There is a hellova lot of hidden shit that will see the light of day when Sinn Fein are part of the North government"

Sein Fein ARE part of the Northern Ireland government (when it isn't suspended) , McGuiness is Education minister. Twenty percent of the vote gets you a seat at the table.
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