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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 11:01 PM
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Gov. 'Has Given in to EU Ban on Health Food Supplements/UK
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5//The Independent, UK 03 January 2005

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/story.jsp?story=597349



GOVERNMENT ‘HAS GIVEN IN TO EU BAN ON HEALTH FOOD SUPPLEMENTS’

By Colin Brown, Deputy Political Editor



Ministers were accused of hypocrisy yesterday over an EU directive which could force health shops to stop selling a number of remedies and food supplements used by cancer sufferers and obese people.



The row is over attempts by the EU to ban food supplements and vitamin-based products which could be harmful in large doses, and for which the makers have made exaggerated health claims. But campaigners including Carole Caplin, the self-styled health and lifestyle guru, and the actress Jenny Seagrove say hundreds of remedies will be included in the ban.



Ms Caplin told MPs at a protest meeting that the directive will ban the sale of supplements containing calcium, magnesium and boron used for strengthening brittle bones and by patients with hip replacements; nutrient supplements and antioxidants for cancer sufferers; food supplements to reduce obesity; and folic acid supplements for women to reduce neural tube defects such as spina bifida in babies.



Health ministers have assured consumers, retailers and manufacturers of health foods that they are doing all they can to ensure safe remedies are not banned.



But EU documents obtained by The Independent reveal that the Government's lawyers have said the UK does not dispute the basis for the new regulations that threaten the sale of many health food products.

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 11:02 PM
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1. It's about time someone finally curbed the quacks and snakeoil salesmen
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kc.ink Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 11:16 PM
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5. some are quacks and such, usually the ones with all the info-mercials
but, if you ever get bit by a recluse spider an essential oil will work better than most traditional medicines.

Know anyone who has nail fungus??? Termed onychomycosis??
Homeopathic remedy: white vinegar 2x's a day to affected area. Some apply with a spray bottle, I suggest soaking the affected nail.

Just 2 cents worth. . . . . .IMO


:-)
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 06:03 AM
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7. Some remedies are good. Homeopathic is worthless
Homeopathic medicine contains only the "vibrational memory" of something that used to be disolved in a substance but no longer is.

The technical name for this is "stupid."
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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 09:56 AM
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11. watch that opinion
try to tell that to me- a massive skeptic cured of life long migraines.
whatever works, is my new motto.

Plenty of good to be had from 'alternative' meds- and regulating will benefit no one but the pharmaceutical pigs. What a surprise.

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BuddhaGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 10:36 AM
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12. you don't know what you're talking about
have you ever used homeopathy? I have used arnica montana for an injury to my leg with great success. Arnica helped greatly with the pain.

I avoid western medicine as much as possible.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 11:00 AM
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15. You are wrong.
You are so wrong. Study the history of homeopathy and its relationship to allopathic medicine in the U.S.

Germany has great respect for homeopathic medicine, and is probably the leader in its research and application. Yes, the rational, cerebral Germans believe homeopathy is efficacious.

To label those who use homeopathic medicines and benefit from them as "stupid," is -- frankly -- stupid.
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d.l.Green Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 01:14 PM
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21. Control
It all boils down to who gets to control treatments. Ideally all options should be available with the burden of education and choice on the individual. For those wishing to forgo their own research and handing their trust to the(profit) industry taught doctors, (or the homeopaths, or chiropractors, or "quacks", etc.) so be it. However restrictions on what is available should only be based on quality control and purely unbiased clinical studies with placebos by preferably ethical governmental or university agencies. The reality is that this is not possible as this "new"(for the press anyway) FDA scandal highlights.

There are good solutions in all the different treatment theories. To disregard any of them would be foolish. As far as these restrictive laws are concerned, they aren't dealing with what's good for the well-being of the patient but what's good for the profit-making machine that screams the loudest and has the most influence(and pays for the studies that these decisions are based on).

On the plus side is that the profits from the sale of these naturopathic and homeopathic treatments and vitamin supplements have financed the food stores that carry organic and healthy foods and related products. The drug stores have only spawned ugly mini-Walmarts.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 12:13 PM
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18. Homeopathic Does Wonders For My Allergies
so much for the pricy nasal sprays prescribed by my MD. $7.99 homeopathic spray works like magic.
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American Parnell Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 11:05 PM
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2. Interesting
Too bad, The United Kingdom (specifically England) was on course to take over the #1 Obese Country in the World spot, which is currently held by the United States.
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kc.ink Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 11:10 PM
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3. the government trying to protect the stupid from overdosing themselves?
Bullshit, they don't protect us from anything.
The govern-mental powers that be add insult once again to injury.
Who was it that de-regulated toxins of the environment? Toxins in the food supply? Toxins in the food packaging? Toxins in the materials that are used to manufacture homes, cars, clothes. . . . etc.?

Govern-mentals approve anything that will generate money for the manufacturer and for themselves. PERIOD
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 11:11 PM
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4. Watch, it's going to happen here....so that giant pharma will
take control and make big bucks.
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kc.ink Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 11:20 PM
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6. well, not exactly
Edited on Sun Jan-02-05 11:22 PM by kc.ink
some things cannot be constrained to exacts with natural ingredients. Only synthetically produced substances can be exact every time.
Variables with natural ingredients factored by quality of sunlight, soil, air, etc. One batch can be stronger or weaker than another given the variables.

Edit: They will outlaw our capacity to be able to help ourself/self-medicate with supplements and naturopathic remedies. Which is when I will start growing everything myself.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 06:05 AM
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8. Natural medicine is big money, too
Check out the 1994 act that exempted nutritional supplements from FDA approval.

It's a Republican plot.

This time, the real money for them was in NOT regulating.

Sort of what they always want to do-- de-regulate stuff in exchange for lobbyist money.

You've been had by the repugs again.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 10:56 AM
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14. So true. Wasn't it ephedrin that had huge connections to the Republican...
...party and was kept on the market long after there was lots of evidence that it was dangerous?
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Mr.Green93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 09:21 AM
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9. I heard vitamins will be banned
is there any truth to that?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 09:49 AM
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10. Vitamins will NOT be banned
That's just another silly Urban Legend.

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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 10:55 AM
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13. I'm not sure these compete directly. If people are taking health...
...supplements that don't work, it's doesn't neccessarily mean they're going to spend less money on big pharma.

It's more likely to mean that they'll keep more money in their pocket if the EU bans the snake oil remedies.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 11:44 AM
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16. De-regulation = Republican
Somewhere else on DU I had a pretty extensive post on the subject of the Repugs and their plot to de-regulate nutritional supplements in response to extensive lobbying.

Not being a paid donor, I can't use the "search" feature to find it. It would be great if you could please cross-post the thread here.

In short, the free reign nutritional supplements have is a Republican plot that many on both the right (and especially) the left have fallen for.

They have use a Roveian trick on us: Republican style de-regulation has been spun into "medical freedom" and "medical choice."

The chief architects of this fiasco called "The Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA) was Senator Orin Hatch (R-UT) and Senator Tom Harkin (D-Iowa).

Do we believe Orin Hatch cares about our best interests?

THIS IS THE SAME Orin Hatch that people (especially the left) cite when they claim Nutrasweet is dangerous!
Senator Orin Hatch (R-Utah) for using his influence to kill a bill introduced by Howard Metzenbaum (D-Ohio) to fund a non partial study on the effects of aspartame by NIH
http://www.aspartame.com/indicted/

Also:
However one year later under the new Reagan administration, Searle resubmitted their app with "new" evidence and it was accepted by the FDA and held from congressional scrutiny by Orin Hatch and other Reagan Republicans - who also fostered it's expanded use into children's vitamins and soft drinks less than two years later.

Between 79 and 82 four FDA officials who took part in the aspartame approval process left for jobs in the industrial nutrasweet community - Senators Hatch, Heflin and Byrd reportedly received numerous campaign contributions thereafter from Searle -

Monsanto who owns Nutrasweet - picked up the ball and obtained FDA approval in 84 to open up additional food markets amidst a conflagration of innuendo and finger pointing of fudged toxicity results - many prominent biochemists and university researchers have made some very harsh evaluations of aspartame - including it's breakdown into methanol in carbonated drinks at elevated temperatures above 98*F -
---

Personally, I'm skeptical of the whole "Nutrasweet is bad for you" campaign but the point I am trying to make is this: Why do the same people who believe Orin Hatch lied to us about Nutrasweet believe he acted honorably in de-regulating nutritional supplements?


Also:
From The National Council Against Health Fraud:

Orrin Hatch takes two media hits. Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT), whose 1994 Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act has greatly weakened the FDA's ability to protect consumers, has been rebuked for suggesting that the FDA has not done enough to protect the public from ephedra's dangers. Calling Hatch's remarks "a dazzling display of hypocrisy," Time senior science writer Leon Jaroff said, "The time has come for drastic revision of DSHEA, the re-empowerment of the FDA and the rejection of cynical proposals by legislators like Orrin Hatch." Meanwhile, the Los Angeles Times noted:

* From 1998 to 2001, while Hatch's son Scott worked for a lobbying firm with close ties to his father, supplement industry clients paid the company more than $1.96 million, more than $1 million of it from clients involved with ephedra.
* In 2002, Scott Hatch opened his own lobbying firm in partnership with two of his father's close associates. So far, the firm has received at least $30,000 in retainers from the National Nutritional Foods Association and a major manufacturer of ephedra (Twinlab) , both of whom were clients of the previous firm.
* During the past decade, Orrin Hatch has received nearly $137,000 in campaign contributions from the supplements industry.
http://www.ncahf.org/digest03/03-10.html


For more good information:

Why the FDA Does Not Approve Supplements
David A Kessler, M.D, J.D.
This article is a slightly condensed version of a talk given at the Good Housekeeping Institute Consumer Safety Symposium on Dietary Supplements and Herbal Remedies, held in New York City on March 3, 1998. Dr. Kessler was FDA Commissioner from 1990 through 1997 and currently is dean of Yale University School of Medicine.
http://www.quackwatch.org/02ConsumerProtection/kessler.html



How the Dietary Supplement
Health and Education Act of 1994
Weakened the FDA
Stephen Barrett, M.D.

Most people think that dietary supplements and herbs are closely regulated to ensure that they are safe, effective, and truthfully advertised. Nothing could be further from the truth. Although some aspects of marketing are regulated, the United States Congress has concluded that "informed" consumers need little government protection. This conclusion was embodied in the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 -- commonly referred to as "DSHEA" -- which severely limits the FDA's ability to regulate these products.
Background History

In the early 1990s, Congress began considering two bills to greatly strengthen the ability of federal agencies to combat health frauds. One would have increased the FDA's enforcement powers as well as the penalties for violating the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act <1>. The other would have amended the Federal Trade Commission Act to make it illegal to advertise nutritional or therapeutic claims that would not be permissible on supplement labels <2>. During the same period, the FDA was considering tighter regulations for these labels.

Alarmed by these developments, the health-food industry and its allies urged Congress to "preserve the consumer's freedom to choose dietary supplements." To whip up their troops, industry leaders warned retailers that they would be put out of business. Consumers were told that unless they took action, the FDA would take away their right to buy vitamins. These claims, although bogus, generated an avalanche of communications to Congress <3>.

The end result was passage of DSHEA, which defined "dietary supplements" as a separate regulatory category and liberalized what information could be distributed by their sellers. DSHEA also created an NIH Office of Dietary Supplements and directed the President to appoint a Commission on Dietary Supplement Labels to recommend ways to implement the act <4>. The Commission's final recommendations were released on November 24, 1997 <5,6>.

The Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act defines "drug" as any article (except devices) "intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease" and "articles (other than food) intended to affect the structure or function of the body." These words permit the FDA to stop the marketing of products with unsubstantiated "drug" claims on their labels.

To evade the law's intent, the supplement industry is organized to ensure that the public learns of "medicinal" uses that are not stated on product labels. This is done mainly by promoting the ingredients of the products through books, magazines, newsletters, booklets, lectures, radio and television broadcasts, oral claims made by retailers, and the Internet.

DSHEA worsened this situation by increasing the amount of misinformation that can be directly transmitted to prospective customers. It also expanded the types of products that could be marketed as "supplements." The most logical definition of "dietary supplement" would be something that supplies one or more essential nutrients missing from the diet. DSHEA went far beyond this to include vitamins; minerals; herbs or other botanicals; amino acids; other dietary substances to supplement the diet by increasing dietary intake; and any concentrate, metabolite, constituent, extract, or combination of any such ingredients. Although many such products (particularly herbs) are marketed for their alleged preventive or therapeutic effects, the 1994 law has made it difficult or impossible for the FDA to regulate them as drugs. Since its passage, even hormones, such as DHEA and melatonin, are being hawked as supplements.

The rest at:
http://www.quackwatch.org/02ConsumerProtection/dshea.html


Also:
United States Senate Special Committee on Aging
Hearing on Swindlers, Hucksters and Snake Oil Salesmen:
The Hype and Hope of Marketing Anti-Aging Products to Seniors
September 10, 2001
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Hearing/gorski2.html
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 12:51 PM
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20. I hope Gloria reads this, and I hope DU'ers get better skills re de-
ciphering anti-Labour spin in the run-up to the next election.
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 12:08 PM
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17. They should ban water, too -
Edited on Mon Jan-03-05 12:34 PM by FlaGranny
everyone knows that water, in high doses, can be fatal (I don't mean to diminish the fact that nearly everything can be harmful if taken in large enough amounts). Pharmaceuticals will be thrilled if these OTCs can be banned so that they can only be sold by prescription - including calcium and other things that are as safe as anything could be. Meantime, they have no problem with prescription drugs that have very bad side effects.

Edit: I worked in the medical field my entire life and I know how dangerous prescribed medications can be. I also know that many so-called "quack remedies," as some of you like to call them, were in use with success, for many hundreds and thousands of years before the drug industry came into existence. Many, if not most, of the prescription drugs that actually work have been derived from those "quack remedies." How many more "quack remedies" have not yet been "discovered" by pharmaceutical companies. Indeed, some "quack remedies" ARE just that, but no one is going to continue using a product if it's not working for them. Some things work for some people and not for others - identical to physician-prescribed drugs. It is foolish to assume that everything not prescribed by a physician is "quack medicine." Many physicians I know are now prescribing cQ10, magnesium, and other things introduced through the health food industry - because they work for many people and because some of them have now been tested in double-blind studies. I remember many years ago reading in a health magazine about the benefits of magnesium for the heart. Low and behold, it was "discovered" by the medical profession, and is now routinely used IV for heart attacks.

Also, I am TOTALLY and COMPLETELY against legislation which would limit a person's choice of products that are GRAS (generally recognized as safe) when taken as directed. Of course, dangerous products need to be eliminated. Vitamin, mineral, and herbal supplements should be extensively tested, but it will probably not happen unless a pharmaceutical can make big bucks from it. The federal government should conduct more studies, but I'm not holding my breath. The government's job is not to determine what food products or additives I decide use. Their job is only to determine if the product is safe to use as directed, and prevent unsubstantiated claims on the labeling.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 12:30 PM
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19. War on even more drugs (except these aren't really drugs)? (nt)
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