Photo Sequence Shows Rebels Executing Electoral Workers

[NNN0LHI]

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBJ71LSX2E.html

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - A brazen daylight attack in the heart of Baghdad with rebels executing election workers in cold blood served as a chilling reminder Sunday of the deteriorating security situation in the Iraqi capital with just more than a month before crucial parliamentary elections.

A series pictures taken by an AP photographer show three pistol-wielding gunmen, who had earlier stopped a car carrying the election officials and dragged them into the middle of Haifa Street in the midst of morning traffic.

The busy, traffic-clogged street has been the scene of almost daily gunfights between the insurgents and U.S. troops and the forces of the U.S.-installed interim government. In the 1970s and '80s, Saddam Hussein's regime tore down traditional, lowrise dwellings that lined the thoroughfare and built apartment blocks for its Baath Party supporters.

Iraq's Independent Electoral Commission said in a statement that about 30 militants hurling hand grenades and firing machine guns attacked the car carrying five of its employees as they were driving to work.

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[NNN0LHI]

1. Here is the most disturbing paragraph in the article

>>>Both of the victims shown in the sequence wore traditional Arab headscarfs. In contrast, the attackers were bareheaded and apparently unafraid to show their faces.<<<

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[RPM]

5. repubs & the tampa tribune???

nahhhhh.

[saigon68]

31. the elections

WHAT COUNTRY CAN HAVE ELECTIONS

WHEN THEY CAN'T EVEN POLICE UP THE CORPSES, THE DOGS ARE DEVOURING
IN THE STREETS?






A stray dog dines on the head of an Iraqi corpse.



WHAT COUNTRY CAN HAVE AN ELECTION WHEN ITS ELECTION WORKERS ARE
BRAZENLY EXECUTED IN BROAD DAY LIGHT

[RPM]

33. what a hell hole

:-(

[0007]

48. Hope these guys voted early!

[RPM]

2. awwwwwwwww, I wanted photos

no pics at the link :-(

[leftchick]

12. Here you go... and it ain't pretty!

An excellent exapmle of bush's version of 'freedom on the march'.
:eyes:




A gunman, centre left, shoots and kills a man lying in Baghdad's Haifa Street after being pulled from a car Sunday, Dec. 19, 2004. The man at right on his knees was executed moments later, along with another man not shown in picture. About 30 gunmen ambushed a car Sunday in central Baghdad carrying employees of the Iraqi organization running next month's elections, killing three of the workers while two escaped unhurt, an official from the election body said. (AP Photo/Str)

[saigon68]

45. Hey LC what a place to visit as a Tourist.

Just think a guided tour, to see a few Corpses get lunched on by dogs.

[leftchick]

53. tis hell on earth....

I fear! :(

[Dancing_Dave]

4. How do they know these are "rebels"?

Sounds like it could just be some more of that good ol' Bush Dynasty election rigging in action! If Iraqi's don't like Diebold or Triad election rigging machines, they die!

[jmcgowanjm]

15. Yes, Dancing _Dave, it's Resistance

More and more US have been dying on Hayfa ST
If you're not w/ the Resistance
and you don't stay neutral, you are walking dead

Resistance assaults Abu Ghurayb prison camp.
(Ongoing event)
Reportedly the Resistance offensive was sparked by a
letter from a female prisoner named Fatimah that brought
the fighters to tears of
rage.

Fatima’s letter, a hand written document, was recently
smuggled out of Abu Ghurayb. Fatimah is the sister of one of
the famous Iraqi Resistance fighters in the Abu Ghurayb
area. US aggressor troops raided his house some time back
but failed to find him, so they took his sister prisoner in
an attempt to force him to give himself up. Their family is
known for its piety and uprightness. Mafkarat al-Islam obtained
a copy of the letter.

We're still torturing women.

[MisterCompletly]

20. brought the fighters to tears of rage

"Fighters", "tears", and "rage" oh my. A screed like this misread properly could almost be intrepid enough to bring a misguided soul around to cheering for these surging ingrates.

[jmcgowanjm]

21. Uh, yes, over the top, of course

that wouldn't happen here in America
where a troop, several, w/ their last oz of strength
remaining, manage to reach out and
pull that grenade to their chest
saving the lives of countless marines
crying and weeping for their fallen
green card comrade in arms.

how many times did CNN show this,
how many times in the last 2 weeks
has anyone heard the words "Fallujah"
or "Abu Ghurayb" mentioned.

And are you volunteering to guide my soul,
for free? How can I refuse such a generous offer.
But I will, thank you very much, cause I value my
freedom as much as the prisoners of
invaded and occupied Iraq valued theirs.

And I cheer for the day when the US,
now being guided by the Son of God
in the Monkey Palace, decides that
it will pull out of Iraq, that invading countries
in order to have a strong $ and free oil
for tax deductible 7000 lb gas guzzlers
w/ "support the troop" stickers,
and supporting an Empire between the Nile and the
Euphrates is not worth it.

[MisterCompletly]

58. Was Bosnia worth it?

What makes killing people "worth it"?

[Tinoire]

28. The Women of Abu Ghraib (Re-post)

The Women of Abu Ghraib

Do you remember the LIES that the reason Fallujah erupted was because there were "foreign" insurgents fighting and/or (because they always offer us a choice of lies from which to pick) that Sadr's men were upset that we had shut down a newspaper?

Lies. Lies. Rotten-Apple LIES!

Rumors of these atrocities have been on the internet for a while but because they weren't on the US corporate-owned media, we didn't give them enough attention.

The horrifying photos which emerged this week explain things much better than the corporate media or the apologists have ever been able to.

We heard about the men only because the "Occupation Armies" couldn't squelch the rumors and pictures began circulating on hard-core pornography sites. Soldiers had also started coming forward, horrified at what they KNEW was taking place and it was only then that the military 'realized' they had a problem & launched an 'investigation'. The first investigation, led by the Army’s chief law-enforcement officer, Provost Marshal Donald Ryder, a Major General, was a whitewash report that brought a few small problems to light. The second investigation, conducted by Major General Antonio M. Taguba which was not meant for public consumption, identifies a systemic problem. What we need now is a THIRD investigation by a respectable organization such as Amnesty International (which is conveniently barred from Abu Ghraib).

There is no mention of the women at Abu Ghraib and yet it was their plight that started the uprising. They were being released from that prison and sent out in the streets in stages of undress that we Americans would consider half-naked.

Common sense alone dictates that the women underwent the same type of horrors the men did. We don't need a third investigation to know that that happened. We need a third investigation to bring these crimes to light, expose & punish those involved, and show the world that those sociopaths responsible do NOT represent the American people.

I am outraged and ashamed.

- Brigadier General Janis Karpinski
- Staff Sergeant Ivan L. Frederick II
- Sergeant Javal Davis
- Specialist Charles A. Graner
- Specialist Megan Ambuhl
- Specialist Sabrina Harman
- Private Jeremy Sivits
- Private Lynndie England

This story mustn't end with this "garden" assortment of sacrificial lambs because the Army isn't tossing out a Brigadier General over the "alleged" crimes of 7 enlisted people, only two of whom are of ranks where you are entrusted with low-level responsibilities.

BG Krapinski and these 7 sorry fools are being tossed out as a diversion to prevent us from uncovering a much larger scandal involving contract torturers from CACI International Inc, ticker symbol CAI and Titan Corp, ticker symbol TTN as well as the CIA, the DIA and every rotten organization implicated in this world-class horror.

If you have links and stories about the others involved, please post them in this thread. Please post relevant snippets or synopses of the information and not just the link.

Please. For the men over there whose lives have been recklessly endangered by the sociopaths who are willing to "do whatever it takes". For the hostages. For our mothers. For our sisters. For our daughters. For our humanity.

====================================================================

03 05 2004 (Note the date)

The newspaper reminds that militants attacked the (Abu Ghraib) prison several days ago. 22 prison guards and inmates were killed and 51 injured. The reason for this was probably a leaflet that can be seen on the outside of the prison's wall...similar leaflets are now appearing in many mosques in Baghdad...cry for help from the hostages of that Iraqi prison...

«We are held in the northern sector. Attack this prison and put an end to our disgrace, and if you cannot do this for the love of the Most High, tell someone who can stick up for us or give us some 'Bahe Maneh al-Hamel'. May Allah and Iraqi patriots put an end to our tortures». 'Bahe Maneh al-Hamel' is the Arab for 'contraceptive pills'.

The women detained in Abu Ghraib are feeling ashamed when they evasively tell about the desperate situation that they are in (which any Eastern woman would experience in the conditions of constant violence committed by prison guards, new Iraqi policemen and the Americans). Any Muslim who read this message will feel his blood curdle from indignation.

<snip>

One of the Iraqis working on a contract with the US administration told La Stampa about one of such terrible episodes. He says that almost 2,500 inmates are held in that prison. The prison is divided into 4 sections. 600 inmates are women. One of them is a bank teller from Baghdad. She was put in jail in January for financial fraud. She could only be released on bail. The family collected $15,000 and this person was sent to discuss the details of release. When he saw her in a room, she had a big stomach. She was sobbing and telling that she was raped by Iraqi prison guards and American soldiers each night, and she does not want to get out of the prison. She told not to say anything to her relatives, because if she returns to Baghdad she will die from shame. :mad:

The same person said that two women already hung themselves in their cells. Another woman gave a birth in confinement. The newborn baby was a mulatto. Allegedly, the US military authorities conducted an internal investigation, but no guilty have been found.

Amnesty International is calling on the complex investigation of all cases of violence against the inmates in Iraq.

<snip>

http://www.kavkaz.org.uk/eng/article.php?id=2730
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((with thanks to Chookie))

<snip>

The real facts are that there is report after report of US abuses; on the internet, in the back pages of our newspapers, in personal accounts that with a little luck will now make their way to mainstream press. This is not an isolated few - this is business as usual for the US military and their collaborating band of thugs in Iraq. Is it any wonder that bodies of US soldiers who fall into Iraqi hands are mutilated and displayed?

The pictures of US soldiers dishonoring Iraqi detainees came as no surprise to JUS (Jihad Unspun). We have been reporting alleged abuses since shortly after the fall of Baghdad. We received several reports over the past months of US soldiers raping Iraqi woman, only to find these photos posted to US porn sites. While these photos and reports were put down to "loose" Iraqi women (which shows a fundamental understanding of Iraq's religion and culture) we discovered later that those who were detained, some at Abu Ghraib prison, who refused to provide US officials with intelligence where given a prod to garner "cooperation" by rounding up the female relatives, forcing then into sexual acts that were filmed and then shown to their husbands, fathers and brothers and to the general public through porn sites. Now the CBS 60 Minutes II report legitimizes the incidents we have been reporting all along.

The Arab world is outraged. The Muslim Ummah is outraged. Iraqis are outraged and so are people of conscience everywhere. I pity the next soldiers that fall into Resistance hands. And contrary to its belief - America can be defeated and most likely will be defeated and dangled at the end of its own pathetic rope for all the world to see.

http://www.jihadunspun.com/intheatre_internal.php?article=2811&list=/home.php&

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1517119

[jmcgowanjm]

38. Bonjour, Tinoire. Resistance-We win in either case

IRR 121904
Resistance raid on Abu Ghurayb nets prisoners for exchange.

Mafkarat al-Islam reported eyewitnesses in Baghdad as
saying that the Squadrons of Hayzun, a Resistance
organization, had mounted a large-scale attack on the
Abu Ghurayb prison camp in response to the Letter of
Fatimah that was smuggled out of the facility and published
in Mafkarat al-Islam
Saturday.

According to the statement by the Commander of the
Squadrons of Hayzun, delivered in the Mosque of Ibn
Taymiyah in Baghdad, 94 Resistance fighters took part in
the attack on Abu Ghurayb which was launched from the
south and west of the facility under the cover of rockets
and mortars fire mounted by the Squadrons of Khalid
ibn al-Walid Resistance organization that took part in the
attack. According to the statement that was issued
after nighttime prayers on Saturday, the Resistance
fighters launched their assault at 4pm Saturday and over
the course of two hours were able to break through the first
and second fences and destroyed part of the main wall of
the prison.

The Resistance attackers killed six US troops and took 10
others prisoner, including seven American women soldiers.
The statement stressed that these are not
mercenaries.

The statement quoted what it called its “intelligence
sources” inside the prison as saying that their attack
inflicted dozens of casualties in the American ranks inside
the prison, because, it said, the rockets and mortar
rounds struck their targets with precise accuracy.

The statement of the Squadrons of Hayzun said that
27 Resistance fighters died as martyrs during their
attack, among them some of the “Arab brothers.” The
statement attributed this relatively high death toll among
the Resistance fighters to the fact that the US forces took
cover inside the prison while the Resistance fighters
were attacking out in the
open.

The Squadrons of Hayzun demanded that the
Americans release the Iraqi female prisoners in Abu
Ghurayb – who number about 33 – in return for the release of
the American women prisoners they hold. The statement
warned that if the occupation forces failed to respond to
their demand, the bodies of the Americans “would soon
be consumed by the earth.” It noted, “we win in either
case.”

[Tinoire]

42. What a hell hole we've created!

And in the long run, in the end, we lose. My country has already lost its soul :(

[countryjake]

55. Riverbend quote, "buried under all the other dirt the occupation brought"

Just google this line & you'll find a page full of sites speaking to the same issue: Pattern Emerges of Sexual Assault Against Women Held by U.S. Forces

Iraqi Women and Torture, Rapes and Rumors of Rape, Part One by Lila Rajiva

Iraqi Women and Torture, Rapes and Rumors of Rape, Part Two by Lila Rajiva

And the answer to who are the real terrorists & murderers will never be answered, not by anyone in this country & most likely not anywhere else, either. Maybe a few election atrocities might reach this far, but nothing that puts a spotlight on the true "moral nature" of this occupying nation. That myth will survive until it's last dying breath!

Here is the context of Riverbend's quote:

"And you know what? You won't hear half of the atrocities and stories because Iraqis are proud, indignant people and sexual abuse is not a subject anyone is willing to come forward with. The atrocities in Abu Ghraib and other places will be hidden away and buried under all the other dirt the occupation brought with it..."

[KansDem]

49. C'mon, now!

It could be that these election employees actually worked for Diebold or Triad and were on their way to replace a "dead battery" in one of their voting machines...

Not every society is going to just sit on its thumbs and do nothing about election fraud the way we apparently are doing here in the good, ol' USA...

[Robbien]

6. Rebels couldn't give a hoot about the election, they just want the US out

of their country. Would rebels go bare headed brazenly through the streets just to get a couple of Iraqi election toadies? Why? They have much more impact with roadside bombs and thrown grenades with very little risk to themselves.

This brazen attack sounds right up the alley of paid mercs.

[NNN0LHI]

9. I think the Iraqis just own the damn place

They got our soldiers holed up in the 14 or 15 permanent bases we are building to keep the US casualty count down which is good, but the Iraqis casualty count is going up because there is no security force in place, which is bad. Thats what I think.

Don

[UpInArms]

10. I think you summed up the situation

really well.

:(

[Robbien]

13. There is also 30,000 paid mercs in the mix

Plus NED and their NGOs.

Plus those Iraqi rebel forces don't really seem all that united in their goals.

The only definite known is that the Iraqi civilians and the US troops are FUBARed.

[jmcgowanjm]

16. Your right NNNOLHI

Anyone hear where the USMil was while this was going
on.

Anyone heard from Fallujah, Abu Ghurayb?

You think the US hasn't lost 1500 troops
and 150 tanks in the last week?

What exactly, I'd like a scenario, please
does anyone think is happening,
if not Mafkarat al Islam's verson.

Thank you,
James

[Tinoire]

30. Same here. Look at the size of TINY Fallujah and we can't take it

Biden and I can't remember which Republican Senator came back from Iraq recently and said that NOT ONE US General thought we could win this thing. Our ass has been whooped. My fear is that of what we might resort to save our shame, to save face from having the most expensive military in the world beaten by a bunch of barely armed people.

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but
World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." -- Albert Einstein.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

7. "whether or not the people can even vote -- it's a remarkable experience"

"I'm not suggesting you're looking at the final chapter in Afghanistan, but the elections were amazing. And if you go back and look at the prognosis about Afghanistan -- whether it be the decision in the first place, the 'quagmire,' whether or not the people can even vote -- it's a remarkable experience."

This is what Commander Zero (Bush*) says in his Time magazine Criminal of the Year interview article.

Yeah. I guess bloody atrocity is...remarkable. Notable even.
Definitely indictable.

[Nikepallas]

8. I'm sooo sick by this story....I can't even express myself in words.

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[w4rma]

14. You'd have to be totally nuts to do *anything* in Iraq that might get you

labeled as a Bush supporter without a HUGE security compliment or a plan to leave the country soon.

[Gman]

17. Oh, sorry... I thought this was about Ohio

never mind.

[rodeodance]

18. with reporters hold up in hotels barely anyone is getting the real story

in Iraq!!

[daleo]

19. Canadian P.M. Paul Martin says he plans to send Canadian election monitors

To Iraq. I can't imagine that this will help the volunteer recruitment.

[Bouncy Ball]

59. So he wants those Canadian election monitors to die?

[Massachusetts]

22. The other shoe will drop.

Most of the politicians in OUR country are SO out of touch it is not only tragic, but it has become surreal.

[koffison]

23. Iraq, like the Ukraine, must learn to fight for democracy

Why isn't Europe supporting democracy in Iraq like they are supporting democracy in the Ukraine? I find it very strange that so many countries want democracy to fail in Iraq but want it to flourish in Ukraine.

[NNN0LHI]

24. Why isn't the USA supporting democracy in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia?

I seen chimp boy hugging and kissing on the Pakistani dictator in Washington DC just the other day.

Don

[koffison]

25. We are

What should we do? Invade both of them?

Unless either of these countries turns into a direct threat against us, the citizens of those countries must reform their government, but for 30 years administrations have been doing what they could to democrasize them without losing them in the process.

[Southpaw Bookworm]

26. Why not? We invaded Iraq

To free them from the brutal oppression of the evil dictator Saddam Hussein, who gassed his own people (interestingly, with chemical weapons the United States sold to him), etc., et al. Why shouldn't we do likewise with other nations run by brutal dictators?

Oh, I forgot, those other brutal dictators are our "friends".

:eyes:

[koffison]

37. uhhh, not sure we sold him the chemical weapons

Pretty sure Saddam was buying his chemicals from North Korea, the USSR, and Germany during those days. You might want to check your facts.

[NNN0LHI]

39. Made in the USA - A guide to Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/03/18/features-crogan1.php

<snip>In his speech before the United Nations, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell stated that “To support its deadly biological and chemical weapons program, Iraq procures needed items from around the world, using an extensive clandestine network.” But Powell has been notably silent on issues of U.S. culpability, corporate profiteering or violations of international chemical, nuclear and biological treaties. Powell, for instance, neglected to mention that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta sent Iraq three shipments of West Nile virus for medical research in 1985.

Powell also failed to acknowledge that Iraq obtained some of its initial anthrax bacilli from American Type Culture Collection (ATCC), a Maryland/Virginia–based nonprofit bio-resource center that supplies viruses and germs to governments, companies and academic institutions worldwide. Between 1985 and 1989, ATCC sent Iraq deadly shipments that included a variety of anthrax bacteria and germs that cause meningitis, influenza, botulism, lung failure and tetanus, according to media reports and U.N. records. ATCC did not respond to a request for an interview.

Thiodiglycol, a substance needed to manufacture deadly mustard gas, made its way to Iraq via Alcolac International, Inc., a Maryland company, since dissolved and reformed as Alcolac Inc., and Phillips, once a subsidiary of Phillips Petroleum and now part of ConocoPhillips, an American oil and energy company.

The Weekly contacted the Texas law firms representing Alcolac Inc. and ConocoPhillips for comment, but only Ronald Welsh, Alcolac’s lawyer responded. “I have no personal knowledge that Alcolac supplied Iraq” with a component of mustard gas, said Welsh. Alcolac’s attorney also claimed he didn’t know that Gary Pitts had obtained Iraq’s 1997 Weapons Declaration, but said he intends to challenge its authenticity in court.

Alcolac was one of a handful of corporations prosecuted by the U.S. Justice Department for illegal exports. Although Alcolac allegedly supplied its mustard-gas ingredient to Iraq and Iran, the Justice Department indicted the company in 1988 only for its illegal exports to Iran, via a German company, Chemco. A Chemco executive, who arranged the sales, was convicted of violating export laws. Alcolac’s chemicals allegedly made their way to Iraq through Nu Kraft Mercantile Corp., via Jordan. In 1989, Alcolac pleaded guilty to one count of violating U.S. export laws.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002-09-30-iraq-ushelp-list_x.htm

A look at U.S. shipments of pathogens to Iraq

Shipments from the United States to Iraq of the kinds of pathogens later used in Iraq's biological weapons programs, according to records from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Senate Banking Committee and U.N. weapons inspectors:

ANTHRAX

Iraq admitted making 2,200 gallons of anthrax spores and putting some of them into weapons. U.N. inspectors said Iraq could have made three times as much anthrax as it acknowledged, and could not verify Iraq's claims to have destroyed all of its weaponized anthrax.

The American Type Culture Collection, a biological samples repository in Manassas, Va., sent two shipments of anthrax to Iraq in the 1980s. Three anthrax strains were in a May 1986 shipment sent to the University of Baghdad, which U.N. inspectors later linked to Iraq's biological weapons program. A 1988 shipment from ATCC to Iraq also included four anthrax strains.

BOTULINUM

Iraq admitted making 5,300 gallons of botulinum toxin, a deadly poison produced by the Clostridium botulinum bacteria, and putting some of it into weapons. Five warheads filled with botulinum toxin are missing.

ATCC sent six strains of Clostridium botulinum to the University of Baghdad in the May 1986 shipment. The September 1988 ATCC shipment to Iraq also contained one strain of Clostridium botulinum.

In March 1986, the CDC sent samples of botulinum toxin and botulinum toxiod (used to make a vaccine against botulinum poisoning) directly to Iraq's al-Muthanna complex, a center for Iraq's chemical weapons program and the site where Iraq restarted its dormant biological weapons program in 1985.

GAS GANGRENE

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Here is a bunch more links if you care to educate your self:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=anthrax+sold+to+Iraq+by+usa&spell=1

[koffison]

43. just facts please

The Anthrax and West Nile Virus and other items were obtained by Saddam via a United Nations program that enabled all member nations to share biological agents. This program began in about 1983 and was terminated in about 1991 for obvious reasons. Saddam used this program to request copies of our biological samples, which we were required to provide to a member nation under the United Nations program.

The other agents you list are duel use compounds. Pretty hard to stop duel use compounds, ehh?

[NNN0LHI]

46. Yea. The missile technology Reagan sold Saddam was duel use too.

It was all fucking duel use. Thats how Reagan and his fuckwits got away with arming Saddam. Reagan took Iraq of the list of terrorist states with Saddam in charge. You proud of that shit or something?

http://www.sundayherald.com/27572

<snip>The shipments to Iraq went on even after Saddam Hussein ordered the gassing of the Kurdish town of Halabja, in which at least 5000 men, women and children died. The atrocity, which shocked the world, took place in March 1988, but a month later the components and materials of weapons of mass destruction were continuing to arrive in Baghdad from the US.

The Senate report also makes clear that: 'The United States provided the government of Iraq with 'dual use' licensed materials which assisted in the development of Iraqi chemical, biological and missile-system programs.'

This assistance, according to the report, included 'chemical warfare-agent precursors, chemical warfare-agent production facility plans and technical drawings, chemical warfare filling equipment, biological warfare-related materials, missile fabrication equipment and missile system guidance equipment'.

Donald Riegle, then chairman of the committee, said: 'UN inspectors had identified many United States manufactured items that had been exported from the United States to Iraq under licenses issued by the Department of Commerce, and that these items were used to further Iraq's chemical and nuclear weapons development and its missile delivery system development programs.'

Riegle added that, between January 1985 and August 1990, the 'executive branch of our government approved 771 different export licenses for sale of dual-use technology to Iraq. I think that is a devastating record'.

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[saigon68]

34. Toady Countries ruled by Thugs and Military Dictators

Women can't even drive a car in Saudi

They however are

OUR THUGS, BULLIES AND DICTATORS

[BlueDog2u]

27. Are you seriously implying

That the neocons give a shit about Democracy in Iraq? Get a grip and read something about the real world for a change. US policy in Iraq is driven by one ideal, and one only: oil.

We are the enemies of Democracy in Iraq.

[Lerkfish]

29. no, no. no...its not about oil....

its about the CONTROL of oil. That's why Halliburton, who will rebuild and then CONTROL the oil delivery infrastructure.

Its not about oil itself, but the ability to choke the spigot at the right times to increase the windfall scarcity profits.

[BlueDog2u]

36. Right

Thanks for the correction. And of course, in the interim:

1) A display of shock and awe

2) Rewarding one's friends with multibillion dollar contracts to privatize Iraq

3) Establish launching pads (14) for further spigot control adventures in Iran, Saudia Arabia, and miscellaneous -stans.

[NNN0LHI]

32. And another thing. When did Iraq turn into a war to bring democracy there?

Did you forget already that the reason for invading Iraq was that Iraq was loaded with WMDs and they were going to attack America at any moment? Drones Of Death, Winnebago's Of Death, Ships Of Death, SCUDS Of Death! Did you forget about all that shit already? Lets worry about having a real democracy right here in America and lets allow the others have what they want. Sound like a fair deal?

Don

[saigon68]

35. Right On

[Name removed]

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[NNN0LHI]

44. There were not any UN no-fly zones. Those were British and USA imposed

I supported regime change too. Just not by force. Did you notice all the soldiers Clinton set to Iraq to be killed with his idea of regime change?

Don

[leftchick]

47. stop it Don!

you are making way too much sense! :crazy:

[blackspade]

51. sorry, but no sale...

Ah, ye olde "what was Clinton doing" tripe.
This is *'s mess not Clinton's.
* did not go to war for 'regime change' it was over WMDs.
So what you are saying is that now that * says that it was about 'regime change' just like Clinton, everything is A OK?
Wrong. * lied. Period.

Clinton did not start this war. * did!

[RetroLounge]

52. Dead Freeper Walking

RL

[saigon68]

54. ADIOS

[Ms_Mary]

50. Totally different situations. BTW, the whole bomb to democracy thing

...it doesn't work so well.

[sandnsea]

56. Iraq, of the Iraqis, by the Iraqis, for the Iraqis

Everybody supports democracy for the Iraqis. But that isn't Bush's plan. His plan is a puppet regime and the Iraqis know it. That's all we've ever done since our spreading freedom reign began with McKinley. That's why no other country will really help in Iraq, Bush won't get his oil buddies the hell out of the way. There are solutions for Iraq, but not if we don't insist on Iraq Sovereignity Now.

[IronLionZion]

41. In Ohio or Florida?

ooooohhhhh it was in Iraq...you can't be too sure these days...:eyes:

[Massachusetts]

57. WHERE ARE THE WMD'S?

Please remember one and all that the TRAITORS who got OUR country into this tragic folly are children of HELL.:evilgrin:

We will get OUR country back and it will be a COLD day in hell that we let this happen again.O8)

[Bouncy Ball]

60. Well gosh

isn't Iraq a happy happy place? Isn't it a good thing we invaded and attacked them and killed so many Iraqis and bombed their homes and destroyed their businesses so that they can be happy again?

/sad sarcasm off