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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 03:20 AM
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Democrats (Presidential Hopefuls) Nervously Eye Clark, Candidacy
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. - The Democrat drawing wary glances from the crowded presidential field and forcing some party stalwarts to hedge their bets on endorsements isn't even a candidate yet.

Wesley Clark, the retired Army general with four-star military credentials, is poised to shake up the primary race if he chooses to seek the presidency. Clark has promised to reveal his plans before a major speech in Iowa on Sept. 19.

Clark, 58, has a resume that unnerves potential rivals — Arkansas-raised, Rhodes scholar, first in his 1966 class at West Point, White House fellow, head of the U.S. Southern Command and NATO commander during the 1999 campaign in Kosovo.

A White House bid by him would grab the political spotlight and undercut the strengths of several in the nine-way Democratic race.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030908/ap_on_el_pr/wesley_clark&cid=694&ncid=716
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 03:21 AM
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1. The picture from the article
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LosinIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 03:34 AM
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3. and he's so damned pretty

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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 03:26 AM
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2. And there would be so many cross-party votes that he would...
pull LOTS of votes away from Bush.

I am seriously eyeing this guy myself. Looks like a perfect candidate to take on Bush and win. The Bush "military-man" image would be a JOKE up beside this proven man.
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 03:40 AM
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4. I like Clark, but I've been getting real tired of the "will he/won't he?"
Song and dance. Whatever he decides, it's nice to know that the wait will be over soon.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 10:23 AM
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15. Also tired of the suspense
The primary isn't a military assault whose release needs to be secret until the last moment.


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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 03:55 AM
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5. he was on bill maher's show tonight
and was very entertaining, very presidential. totally articulate, nailed some very solid points about this administration. talked about trying to get back an america that we love, that loves liberty, freedom, transparency of government. the audience loved him.
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quispquake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 07:45 AM
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8. He was GREAT on Maher's
...Quite honestly, one of the first times in awhile I've seen him interviewed, and he blew me away...I would be proud to see him run for President...
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 09:51 AM
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12. Did you see the look on his face when Maher showed him the Bush doll.
I don't think the camera was supposed to be on him but he had the most priceless look on his face. It was a combination of disgust and thinking it was an absolute joke.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 05:22 AM
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6. A great resume for Secretary of Defense or State
but as all former military commanders, with the exception of the extraordinarily gifted George Marshall, Clark's resume is very skimpy on the skills that he will need in the highest political office in the land.

I welcome his entry into the fray.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:55 AM
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7. Over 2000 messages posted for this article...
Run Wesley, run!
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Noordam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 08:29 AM
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9. Clark reminds me too much of Colon P.
There was a time everybody was trying to guess would CP to it or not.

IMHO it is too late for Pres.... VP is a place for him.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 08:30 AM
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10. Powell was involved in the early stages of the My Lai massacre
cover-up. I don't think Clark has such a questionable background as Powell.
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tsipple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 09:54 AM
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13. Um, Well...
The Republicans certainly criticized Clark's Kosovo strategy. Bill Maher had some line about how cowards bomb civilians from cruising altitudes (in reference to Kosovo and Serbia). And I've noted that Dennis Kucinich's supporters, in particular, aren't fond of Clark for these reasons. (D.K.'s supporters have done plenty of homework on Clark, it seems.)

I'm sure the GOP will dredge up all the muck they can find, and there will be some. That's always a question for a potential candidate and his/her family: do you want to go through that rough and tumble? (Ask Dan Quayle, Gary Hart, Ed Muskie, Kitty Dukakis, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Geraldine Ferraro, and many others.) It's hard to imagine unless you've gone through some of it previously. I don't think there's really any race that fully prepares you for the presidential scrutiny, but I would argue it does help to have some electoral experience.

DailyKos has some interesting New Hampshire polling data on Clark. There are some problems with the poll, particularly that the first question lumped in "leaners" and the second didn't, so it's hard to compare them. The first question had Clark out, and Dean was 38, Kerry 26. (Pretty much in line with the prior poll, although we all knew +21 points for Dean was goofy, and Kerry did have a media blitz for his reannouncement.) Putting Clark in, and taking out the "leaners," has Dean at 31, Kerry at 20, Clark at 5. In other words, not much impact -- the bigger impact was from taking out the "leaners," and, not surprisingly that occurred in approximately equal proportions to each candidates' support in the first question.(*)

Kos goes on to point out that it's impossible to know what concentrated media exposure will do to Clark's 5 percent. (And what will that media exposure be? Positive? Critical?) However, it's important to note that, before any Clark announcement, we really do have solid Democratic candidates with lots of firm support in New Hampshire. (Dean is well outpolling "Don't know" any way you slice the numbers, for example.) It's not as if half the electorate is saying, "Well, damn, we're really missing (Candidate X) in this race."

I'd also go on to say that the first poll question didn't name Clark, but some people might have answered "Other" or "Don't Know" nonetheless to indicate support for him in the first poll. My point being that Clark's 5 percent in the second question may not have been entirely at the expense of other candidates from the first question, and that the "leaner" effect could have been yet greater.

For the record, I welcome Clark's candidacy or non-candidacy, whichever he chooses. I think it's great that the Democratic nominating process is so open and inclusive. I also think he'd make a terrific nominee, as would the vast majority of the other Democrats running.

(*)Yes, I know, a six point drop from 26 is a greater percentage drop than a 7 point drop from 38. So one could argue that Dean's support in this poll is firmer. But that's all well within the margin of error, so let's not get silly.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 09:11 AM
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11. I disagree ....
Clark holds progressive views, whereas Powell is at best a 'moderate' conservative .... which in my book makes them QUITE different ....

And it has been already said that Clinton entered the '92 race in October .... it is barely September now ....
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tsipple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 10:07 AM
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14. (Groan.)
"Clinton entered in October, 1992."

Bollocks! Clinton officially announced in October, 1991. Some Republicans say he started running for president from the womb, or at least at the time he wrote his now famous letter to his draft board. I won't go that far, but it is very true that he raised lots of money and aggressively courted Democratic office holders (among other activities) way, way ahead of that date.

For example, did you know that Bill Clinton had a 1987 presidential exploratory committee registered with the Federal Election Commission? (Source: OpenSecrets.org.)
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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 10:28 AM
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16. That's not a surprise
Clinton was considering running in 1988. (BTW, I'm not sure Kosovo will be a liability for Clark among the vast majority of voters because Milosevic was kind of like Saddam, and the operation was successful even with the civilian casualties and the bombing of the Chinese embassy.)
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tsipple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:10 PM
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18. Naderite Greens Will Be Turned Off
They're not fond of bombing runs, even ones performed under the auspices of a Democrat (and with a humanitarian case to be made).

Note that that's not necessarily a reason to oppose Clark. Half a dozen Democratic candidates have the same "problem." Wish I could understand why, but I guess I haven't drunk the Green Kool Aid. :-)
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:16 AM
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17. I don't know how anyone can support him without knowing his stances.
Other than being against the Iraq war, all I know about this guy is his resume.

I'll grant you that I think he'd be a strong candidate, but if Democrats nominate George Bush for President he'd probably make a strong candidate too.

How do we know that Clark isn't Joe Lieberman or Zell Miller in Army clothes?

Maybe he's stated them and I've been in a cave, but until I have a clue what he stands for I'll stick with Dean.
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