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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 11:48 AM
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Woman Tricked Into Sex With The Old "Penis Cream Treatment" Ploy
SOURCE: Western Telegraph

Woman Tricked Into Sex By Penis Cream Treatment

A Syrian-born airline pilot allegedly tricked a schoolteacher from Haverfordwest into having sex with him by pretending he had to administer ointment on the end of his penis, a jury heard yesterday (Tuesday).

Fadi Sbano, 38, even pretended to know a gynaecologist who advised him on how often to have intercourse with her and whether to thrust "slowly or quickly". And, on the "doctor's advice", he kept a clock on the bedside table to time the sessions. The teacher put up with the treatment for nine months before telling her doctor. Huw Rees, prosecuting, told Swansea crown court: "The allegations here are of rape by deception."

Mr Rees said the pair met while Sbano was based at Gatwick and the teacher was working nearby. In November, 2000, she discovered a rash of white spots and feared that typhoid, which she contracted on holiday some years before, had returned.

Sbano claimed he was in talks with a gynaecologist who was anxious for a certain cream to be applied, the prosecutor said. "He (Sbano) suggested he would apply the cream to his penis and apply it inside her.

Mr Rees said the woman found the sessions "Clinical, not at all erotic". She consented only because she believed it was a proper treatment. "When the insertions took place, and depending on the instructions of his friend, he would thrust slowly or quickly for anything from one to ten minutes,"

Her doctor told her to find out the identity of Sbano's gynaecologist friend but he "became evasive and never gave his name" beyond the word "Ibby".

"It began to dawn on her that he had devised this treatment in order to have sex with her on his terms." Mr Rees said "Ibby" was traced but said he knew nothing about the treatment.

Sbano was arrested at Heathrow while attending a pilots' training facility. He claimed the woman had invented the entire story about the "treatment". Sbano, from Harrow, London, denies nine charges of rape and 11 or obtaining money by deception.

The trial continues.

link: http://thisispembrokeshire.net/display.var.1351648.0.wo...


*** - "He would thrust slowly or quickly for anything from one to ten minutes,"!!!!!!! She must have rubbed the cream in too much if it only lasted for a minute, don't you think????


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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 11:51 AM
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A school teacher? I hope she doesn't teach health classes!
:rofl:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 11:56 AM
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4. Jesus, the Welsh are bright people, they've gotta be humiliated by this nitwit and
though they don't name her, they've gotta hope she's not a Jones or a Llewellyn, but instead, someone from "away!"
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:27 PM
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80. You're right MADem
I fear that the Welsh jokes are never gonna stop now.

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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:42 PM
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155. I'd bet she is a Muslim immigrant.
Edited on Fri Apr-27-07 04:48 PM by Marie26
This story makes a lot more sense if you consider what women in Saudi Arabia or Iran are taught to believe. For a woman in Saudi Arabia, her body is already controlled by men - who tell her when she can leave the house, what she can wear, whom she can marry. Women are forced to obey patriarchical instructions about what she should do - the concept of independence or self-reliance is not taught to women at all. So, for someone trained from an early age to obey men w/o question, it's not so suprising she would "obey" this con-man.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:55 PM
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166. I wish I still kept in touch with my Welsh friends...I'd love to know! NT
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 11:56 AM
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5. I'm guessing she teaches Creationism.
What incredible gullibility.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 11:51 AM
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1. I wonder if a 'breast inspector' has come to see her yet.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:17 PM
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19. Followed by the beaver patrol. n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:47 PM
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:21 PM
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22. LOL
Duzy nom!
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 11:52 AM
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2. "It began to dawn on her...?"
:banghead:
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 11:56 AM
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3. Too much!
Just when you think you've heard it all!!
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 11:59 AM
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6. This woman must be related to Bush to be so dumb!
Poor thing, if the story is true she was certainly taken advantage of. But I question whether she should be free of her own accord if she's really that naive.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:36 PM
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35. His long lost sister
unbelievable.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:01 PM
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7. There's an old saying among professional con men.
It goes something like "you can't sell somebody something that they don't want."
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:30 PM
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Isn't that what they usually say just before the judge pronounces sentence? lol!
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:02 PM
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8. It rubs the cream on his penis.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:03 PM
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10. ..or else it gets the hose again!
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:03 PM
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9. Just don't give her any contraceptive jelly..you'll poison her.
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cannabis_flower Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:05 PM
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11. This is ludicrous...
First let me say that I am female so you don't jump to any conclusions. But was this the stupidest woman in the world or what? I would possibly believe it if the woman was an immigrant from a third world country with no education. More likely she got mad at him after a while when their relationship didn't work out and decided to get back at him for whatever reason.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:06 PM
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12. Yeah, don't cha just hate it when that happens?
:rofl:
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Akoto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:07 PM
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13. Good gravy. As terrible as this crime was ...
I can't believe that someone would fall for this. A teacher, of all people. Honestly, applying a medicated cream via the penis? Being naive is one thing, but this goes far beyond.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:22 PM
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23. How did the pilot find out that she had a "rash" on her "vaginal areas"?
I mean he didn't just come up and say, "Hey, if you happen to have any kind of labial difficulty, I can show you how to fix it." How did he know she needed "treatment"? Why was she taking advice from a doctor through this guy, a doctor she had never met? I am sorry, but I just find it too hard to buy this story...
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:09 PM
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14. Damn! Fell for the old Penis Cream Treatment trick.
That's the third time this week. :evilgrin:
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:12 PM
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15. I am not laughing
nearly as hard as this woman feels embarassed.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:50 PM
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97. I tried really hard
but that massage smiley at the end of the OP did me in, so I have to join you:

:rofl:
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:13 PM
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16. women are conditioned from birth

to disregard their gut feelings, particularly when it comes to men; to give men the benefit of doubt; to be concerned about men's feelings ...

And then they are laughed at when they follow instructions.

By progressives.

har de har har har. I'm hysterical. And yer all a barrel of monkeys.

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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:23 PM
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24. That was not true in my case.
My parents made a point of teaching me to trust myself first and that I am only limited by my own views and shortcomings (which can be overcome). Quite frankly, I don't know too many women my own age (50's) or younger who just take orders from a man without question. There are a few but not many.

I don't get the sense those poking fun are really thinking about the fact they are making fun of a rape victim. It's just a matter of the story being so ODD.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:34 PM
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31. sad if true
I don't get the sense those poking fun are really thinking about the fact they are making fun of a rape victim.

And that would be the problem.

I didn't actually say that women "just take orders from a man without question". I was talking about conditioning, and how hard it can be to act contrary to it.

Even I, about the smartest and toughest 17-yr-old woman on campus 45 years ago, actually listened to the guy who pulled up beside me on the street and asked whether I'd ever considered modelling. Next question was about the 'see-through blouses' that would be involved. I laughed.

But despite my gut feelings -- basically that the person in question was boring and weird -- I stayed in the car later that year when my hitchhiking companion debarked at his destination, since I was going a couple of hundred miles farther and the driver said he was too ... and very nearly wouldn't have been here to tell the tale as a result. Women really are conditioned to be nice to boring weird people.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #24
32. "poking fun"? I know, I know... bad BiB!
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #32
50. Damn, ya got me!
I was determined not to laugh at this thread but pointing out my own pun did it.

You jerk! :P
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:45 PM
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52. HEEHEEHEE!!!
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:26 PM
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25. YOu have to be kidding me
Edited on Fri Apr-27-07 12:28 PM by BoneDaddy
I knew it that when I read this incredibly ridiculous story that someone would find some way that this woman CANNOT be accountable for herself and find something outside of her (culture, conditioning) to blame.

How bout you stop personalizing this and laugh at the stupidity of the human condition.

On this board there ALWAYS has to be some excuse for a woman's behavior where she has no accountability, as it is always someone else's fault..sad.

Look, if she was mentally retarded, a child or under the influence you may have a point, but she was a school teacher.

Stop seeing women as perpetual victims and they will stop being perpetual victims.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:36 PM
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33. how bout you

go write posts to someone who's interested, both in your painstakingly false interpretation of what they said and in your responses to your own straw erections.

I'll let this stand in reply what I anticipate are a number of identical posts in this thread that merit no more response either.

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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #33
69. "straw erections?"
lol, even in your insults you are so gender biased.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #25
106. Read The Other Article
I posted a link to it elsewhere in this thread, that sheds a little more light on the matter.

Laugh away, but in all likelihood this woman was raised in a family background that trained her to accept that her sexuality was in the hands of male authority. In Britain has laws against "rape by deception" prosecute away. If not, it's simple fraud. May as well sue the local Imam as well.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:44 PM
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:28 PM
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26. You have got to be kidding???
Did you forget your emoticon??

That's right blame the insensitive liberals for laughing their asses off at the stupidity of a person licensed to teach children.

Give me a break about the "women being taught...." malarkey.

You are almost as funny as this ditz was.
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:30 PM
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27. Ty
some more common sense.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. scuse me? nt
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #30
36. Read my post from the same thread
I was thanking you for your common sense in answering Iverglas' ridiculous rantings about woman's obvious stupidity.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:38 PM
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38. I am a little slow this morning.
I am self medicating ;-)
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #38
63. Hehe
I hear ya. Hang in there
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #16
28. Of all the responses on this thread, this was the funniest!
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #16
29. Maybe if the guy was a cop...
you'd be saying she had it coming?
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #29
37. maybe if you were an honest person

you wouldn't tell lies about other people.

Maybe if you had the courage of your convictions, you wouldn't stick sucky little question marks at the end of said lies.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #37
39. LOL.
You're one to talk about honesty and convictions.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #29
42. ZING! (if only there were cross-thread DUzy's)
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Gen. Jack D. Ripper Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #16
41. Absolving her of any responsibility
reinforces the notion that women are weak and incapable of thinking for themselves. Certainly, there are woman who are taken advantage of, and just as certainly there women who allow themselves to be taken advantage of. At some point, a woman does become responsible for her own actions. That in no way absolves the man of responsibility, either, and he should be held accountable for his deceitful and despicable crimes.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:41 PM
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45. Good response.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #45
250. Would have been a better response if the poster hadn't taken
his name from a man known to hate women so much that he killed them, sliced open their bodies and took their sexual organs.

Odd.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #41
56. making false statements about what another poster said

The favourite sport of quite a number of DUers.

If you can produce the words written by me that constituted "absolving her of any responsibility", according to any dictionary of the English language in this universe, feel free. Otherwise, retract your false and insulting allegation.

hahahahaha. That's gonna happen in said universe.

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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #56
66. No....
You just categorized her as a victim of ignorant upbringing. So you insulted her parents. I am gonna call them and rat you out.

Your statement was so ridiculous, I find it hard to believe you are still here defending your position and not under your bed hiding.

As a woman, I find it insulting that you would characterize this lame excuse for having sex with a man continuously, as a result of the way she was raised.

Really, I hope no one allows you to vote!
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #66
72. how entertaining

You'd better call the multiple thousand people who have voted for me in the real world, and let them know your opinion. I'm sure they'll be as impressed with your opinion as you are. Yup.

I gather that Friday is self-medication day around here. I knew I should just have done the work that needs doing.

You just categorized her as a victim of ignorant upbringing.

But hey, congratulations on your invaluable contribution to the let's-pretend game.

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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:25 PM
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78. Someone actually voted for you??
What? Are you the leader of the League of Victimized Women?

If there is so much work to be done, why are you here this morning inspiring us with your profound words of wisdom?

And on behalf of women everywhere; We can stand up for ourselves, and kick anyone with penis cream's ass, thanks.

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #78
79. Delusions of grandeur?
Or was it some kind of "least likely to succeed" thing in a large high school?
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #78
92. "so much work to be done"?

Who said that? Why can't I hear these voices that so many people here seem to hear so clearly???

Work to be done. A common phenomenon in the life of most people. Not in the lives of some people.

And on behalf of women everywhere; We can stand up for ourselves, and kick anyone with penis cream's ass, thanks.

Congratulations. All of us women who have been sexually assaulted (most of the women I know, myself) will just go back to being non-existent.



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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #92
114. What?? You think you have cornered the market on sexual abuse.
I was brutally raped by my biological father at 2 years of age when he also decided to cave my skull in. So don't cry to me about abuse. I have gotten over it. I am not a victim. I can take care of myself.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #114
128. Thank you.
Bravo and :hug:
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #114
132. What????? You think I think that?!?!?!?!?!?

Can I please borrow the funny spectacles that so many people in this place seem to be wearing?

I've just never found a retailer that carries them, myself. Perhaps you can offer a link to a website where I could procure a pair?


I am not a victim. I can take care of myself.

AND FUCK EVERYBODY WHO IS, AND WHO CAN'T. Or laugh loud and long at them when someone else does it.


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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #78
111. self-delete
Edited on Fri Apr-27-07 02:31 PM by grace0418
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #66
146. Nope, NOT ignorant upbringing -- PATRIARCHAL upbringing
Jeeze you people can't even read, apparently. Or reading, comprehend.

As a woman, YOU have a lot to learn. Your ignorance is astonishing and the insulting and patronizing responses to iverglas not at all flattering to yourself.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #146
165. You want to jump in here???
Head on, and bring your band-aids chickey!!

Give me a fucking break. Oh I get it now, it is as a result of PATRIARCHAL upbringing. But it was the MOTHER (That would be Matriarchal) who offered up her daughter's ass for reaming.

I. Don't. Buy. It.

Anyone who does, especially an American woman, is living under a rock.

Don't give me your bullshit. You are as strong as you WANT to be. You want to let freakos like this character fuck you up the ass go head. You will not find a long line of women to follow you.

"Ohhhhhh, I am such a victim, I can't keep him from fucking me up the ass"

Do you get how stupid that sounds??

Heh???
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #165
177. Yes, hang a left. Apparently we're both stalkers.
That's what this oh-so-clever poster said elsewhere. We're stalkers because we don't give in to the insane rantings of a clearly disturbed individual. Now I remember why I don't hang out in GD very much.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #177
185. Don't EVER let anyone run you off.
I used to be so afraid of people here who would rudely get in my face.

Not anymore. I have grown to know what I believe in is what I believe in. And I will defend it at even the cost of a deleted post.

Some people used to try to intimidate me. And at first I just slithered away. Not anymore. Like my own personal life I stand up for myself. If you ever need post back-up and you are on the right side....pm me and I will be there.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #185
194. It's not that I let people run me off. Just ask my husband,
Edited on Fri Apr-27-07 05:34 PM by grace0418
he knows how I am when I am faced with injustices of any kind. It's more that I feel like some people are, sadly, lost. Too far gone to see anything but what they want to see. If it's not there, they'll make it appear, twisting everything said to them into proof that they are right. Sometimes I just think "It's time to move on to people who's minds aren't closed off, people capable of taking in outside stimulus." You read those posts, we didn't even need to be there really. It was really just a monologue where the word "brain" could somehow be turned into an anti-feminist insult.

And thanks for the offer. I may take you up on that!
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Gen. Jack D. Ripper Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #56
70. I wasn't necessarily responding directly to your post
in as much as I was making a general comment. You're right, you didn't say that she should be absolved of responsibility, but it seemed (to me, at least) a reasonable summation of your overall assertion.

I'd like to add, that I don't disagree with you in that it might not be appropriate to make light in this woman's rape. However, I can see why someone would say this woman acted foolishly.

Finally, my intention was not to insult you or make false statements. I apologize if you feel this is what I have done.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #70
152. Oh, well, HEY, if she acted foolishly, then
Edited on Fri Apr-27-07 04:38 PM by Morgana LaFey
she fucking deserved what she got, right?

That's what's at the bottom of all these posts highly critical of the woman in the story: good ole blame-the-victim, let's let the perpetrator off the hook misogyny. Nothing else at all. Yes, even from the women here who are so damned sure they can take care of themselves (even while their near hysteria on the subject makes me wonder just how really "over it" they are).

I don't disagree with you in that it might not be appropriate to make light in this woman's rape.

MIGHT not be appropriate? What, pray tell, was your first clue?

And note: those slightly hysterial women who are so critical of this woman are siding with the patriarchy in a desperate (and futile) attempt to prevent anything like that from ever happening to them, OR to shame her and her kind so badly and competely that their own victimization -- and their own weakness -- is pushed further and further itno the background (repressed).
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #152
214. Hey genious,
I am so happy that I scrolled upon your posts. I know this thread is getting long. But I just am in the mood for someone just like you.

First of all:

The poster who you are so rudely responding to was very thoughtful and courteous to your stance.

For you to pick on his post....well all I gotta say is "why don't you pick on someone your own size."

Are you some kind of chickenshit or something?? Huh?? Well I call them as I see them.

Come on now. Surely you have some more vitriol for me. I welcome it.

I fucking dare you to reply!

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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #152
218. Come on now Morgan....
we really need to talk. You are so versed on this subject. I just can't wait for you to reply to at least ONE of my responses to your comments.

You seem to like to single out the more courteous members of our community.

Come on now girley, show everyone your resolve. Waiting, and I am here all week. Thank you, thank you very much.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #152
236. Yep that is what I thought...
BTW what is that smell???

"Well damn Vern, I think it is chicken shit."
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Gen. Jack D. Ripper Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 07:07 PM
Response to Reply #152
251. I don't think you're helping your position by putting words in my mouth
you asked:

"Oh, well, HEY, if she acted foolishly, then she fucking deserved what she got, right?"

I did NOT say that and I do NOT believe that.

then you said:

"That's what's at the bottom of all these posts highly critical of the woman in the story: good ole blame-the-victim, let's let the perpetrator off the hook misogyny.

Well, if you recall, I said "he should be held accountable" and I described his actions as "deceitful" and "despicable." I'm not entirely sure how you drew from that your conclusion, that I believed they should "let the perpetrator off the hook", but I simply do not believe that, at all, and I think I made that perfectly clear.

finally, you asked:

"MIGHT not be appropriate? What, pray tell, was your first clue?"

Please accept my humble apologies, and allow me to rephrase. It is innapropriate to make light of her having been raped. I hope this helps.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #16
93. I'm sorry but give women a teensy bit more credit than that.
Sure we (men and women) all are conditioned by our culture and expected gender roles, but this is just plain stupid. This goes way beyond "giving the benefit of the doubt" and "being concerned about men's feelings", this is just unbelievably boneheaded.

He's a complete pig, no doubt. And I feel bad that she now has an incurable disease because of him. But good heavens, how can ANYONE fall for that bullshit? That's as stupid as believing George Bush is a wonderful president. Surely you don't feel too sorry for those people do you?
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #93
100. why do you ask?
Surely you don't feel too sorry for those people do you?

I very seldom participate in the blame/sympathize game that is so popular around here. I tend to see a problem, an unfortunate circumstance, a tragic event, and think about why it happened and what might be done to prevent it in future. I didn't say I felt sorry for the woman in this instance, so why would you ask me whether I feel sorry for anyone else?

That's as stupid as believing George Bush is a wonderful president.

And as someone else mentioned, approximately half of the population of your country seems to have thought precisely that. I haven't made a habit of mocking the population of the US for its quite unbelievable stupidity, though ... even though its stupidity has led to the deaths of tens of thousands of people elsewhere in the world, while this woman appears to be the only victim of her own.

Do I feel sorry for people who voted for George Bush? Actually, yes. I think that large numbers of them have suffered far more than anyone deserves to suffer for the sin of stupidity. Kinda like the woman in this story. I do feel genuinely sorry for many of those people, and for her. I have never thought that people should be punished for being stupid -- whether by being sexually assaulted and contracting a disease, or by losing their jobs and their homes and their health care. Or laughed at when it happens. Guess I'm kinda odd that way.

Maybe that's what makes me a leftist and a feminist, not a "liberal".





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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #100
103. Well as a feminist I sure as hell expect women to use their brains because I know
that we are just as intelligent and capable as men. I don't care what your conditioning is, there is a point when every human adult needs to use the wonderful brain in his or her head and say "Hmmm, something is not quite right here." I'm an incredibly sympathetic person, but there is a point where my sympathy wears thin. I am also capable of feeling sorry for someone while still thinking they were incredibly stupid.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #103
104. there ya go

Women should blame themselves when they are sexually assaulted.

Well, you're in luck. Many if not most do.

Congratulations.

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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #104
108. "making false statements about what another poster said" Hmmmm. Now who was it
that just made that *very* accusation, right in this *very* thread?

Pot? I've got a kettle I'd like you to meet.

I'm just going to go ahead and quote you again:

"If you can produce the words written by me that constituted "Women should blame themselves when they are sexually assaulted," according to any dictionary of the English language in this universe, feel free. Otherwise, retract your false and insulting allegation."

Would you like to retract your false allegation or are you still on your high horse?
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #108
117. gladly
Except, of course, that I don't respond to loaded questions containing a binary choice, both of which amount to falsehoods:

Would you like to retract your false allegation or are you still on your high horse?

I'll just produce the words written by you that constituted "Women should blame themselves when they are sexually assaulted".

(a) I sure as hell expect women to use their brains

(b) I'm an incredibly sympathetic person, but there is a point where my sympathy wears thin.

Now, you feel free to say you weren't saying that the woman failed to use her brains and thus was to blame for what happened to her, and that if someone is to blame for something, she shouldn't/wouldn't blame herself for it. Someone might believe it.

I'm used to it. When hearing the circumstances in which I was abducted, choked, sexually assaulted and instructed to go with the assailant to where, there is no doubt, he was going to kill me -- that I had been hitchhiking -- I've got that reaction. From USAmericans, anyhow. I was to blame, because I was stupid. And no sympathy for the stupid.

Actually knowing the facts of the event, and the social context in which it occurred, and quite a bit about quite a number of other things, I have never blamed myself. I may actually have been a wee bit stupid, but no more stupid than hundreds of thousands of other people in North America were being at the time, in that particular way, not to mention hundreds of thousands of other ways.

I can recommend some reading therapy. Wayward Puritans, by Taylor. Watch Jerry Springer after reading it. Not to mock the stupid people, but to understand the people mocking the stupid people.

Making people believe that what happens to them is their own fault is pretty much the only way that the people of the US can be kept as underdeveloped and oppressed as they are. Works with women, too.


http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200wales/tm_he...

Huw Rees, prosecuting, said Sbano introduced the woman to a Muslim doctor he claimed was a consultant at Royal Marsden Hospital, in London.

He said she claimed the doctor confirmed Sbano was dying of cancer and the defendant later explained how sex alleviated his pain.

They had sex frequently, sometimes two or three times a day, the prosecution say in a clinical and emotionless manner, Mr Rees said.

He said Sbano claimed he attended East Surrey Hospital, Redhill, for treatment and the woman would sometimes take him there.


It may well be, as someone else in the thread seems to have assumed, that the woman in question was Muslim.

Vilifying Muslims for how some Muslims regard and treat women is fine when it serves an agenda, but acknowledging that there may be some explanation for a woman's "stupidity", even though that "stupidity" might be a pretty obvious flip-side of how she has been conditioned, wouldn't serve the higher agenda, apparently.

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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #117
124. Oh GOOD GRIEF. You can extrapolate whatever perceived insults you want out
Edited on Fri Apr-27-07 03:29 PM by grace0418
of anything that anyone says, but no one can touch you because you were a victim. Well, you're not the only victim here, and to compare the stupidity of this woman with the assault that other women have endured (yes, including me, two friends and several women in my immediate family) is an insult. I stand by both of my statements you cited and no rational person would ever take either statement and conclude I am in ANY WAY implying that "Women should blame themselves when they are sexually assaulted."

(a) I sure as hell expect women to use their brains.

I do. I really do. Maybe that will revoke my membership in the Perpetual Victims of America club but nobody has the right to completely turn off their brains and expect everything to turn out alright. We owe it to ourselves and everyone around us to use our brains. Do bad things still happen? Of course, *all* the time. But that doesn't mean we should go around saying "Oh well, I might get robbed or assaulted or murdered anyway so I might as well drive with my eyes closed and leave all my doors wide open and walk around with wads of cash hanging out of my back pocket." Do all of us do stupid things sometimes? Of course. Anyone who says they haven't is lying. But there is a huge difference between making a few mistakes and completely abdicating all responsibility for your own well-being.

(b) I'm an incredibly sympathetic person, but there is a point where my sympathy wears thin.
Exactly. I'm simply not going to feel the same amount of sympathy for the woman in the OP as I am for someone who was assaulted by gunpoint in a mall parking lot. It's sad and he's an asshole, but she should have known better, at least after the first incident.

If you want to act like her stupidity played no part in her victimization, be my guest. But DO NOT DARE to suggest that I have ever or will ever think, say, or imply that "Women should blame themselves when they are sexually assaulted." If you cannot apologize for that outrageous comment, then nothing you say will have any meaning to me.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #124
136. Hey, if you say so. Will that make you happy?
You can extrapolate whatever perceived insults you want out of anything that anyone says, but no one can touch you because you were a victim.

Hey, if you say so. I didn't, and wouldn't, and think it's ridiculous, but if you say so.

to compare the stupidity of this woman with the assault that other women have endured (yes, including me, two friends and several women in my immediate family) is an insult.

Hey, if you say so. I didn't, and wouldn't, and think it's ridiculous, but if you say so.

http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200wales/tm_he...
Swansea Crown Court heard today that Sbano originally told his victim, a woman from Pembrokeshire, west Wales, he was dying of cancer.

He claimed he had been told he had just six months to live and that sex was the only way to alleviate his condition.

As a result the woman, 36, a former teacher in a private school, readily agreed to have sex with him in an effort to relieve his pain.

... Huw Rees, prosecuting, said Sbano introduced the woman to a Muslim doctor he claimed was a consultant at Royal Marsden Hospital, in London.

He said she claimed the doctor confirmed Sbano was dying of cancer and the defendant later explained how sex alleviated his pain.

They had sex frequently, sometimes two or three times a day, the prosecution say in a clinical and emotionless manner, Mr Rees said.

He said Sbano claimed he attended East Surrey Hospital, Redhill, for treatment and the woman would sometimes take him there.

Of course, we might compare the assaults she suffered, and the humiliation she now feels, to what commonly happens to women all over this world who don't happen to be big strong smart USAmerican liberals, but why bother?

(a) I sure as hell expect women to use their brains.
I do. I really do. Maybe that will revoke my membership in the Perpetual Victims of America club but nobody has the right to completely turn off their brains and expect everything to turn out alright.


You're a peach. If it were me, there are a number of clubs I prefer to belong to that I'd revoke your membership in. The club of human beings who give a shit would be the first one to come to mind. The club of people who have spent more than two seconds contemplating how and why other people in the world might be oppressed and exploited would be the second.

This woman didn't use her brain. Not: this woman was very obviously reared to recognize male authority and subjugate her interests to men's, and behaved as some women taught to do that might be expected to behave (else WHY THE FUCK WOULD ANYONE BOTHER REARING WOMEN TO DO THAT?). No. Let's blame, say, all the women in Afghanistan who haven't yet jumped on the feminist bandwagon for continuing to behave in ways we just find stupid, if not evil, for their stupid evil ways.

(b) I'm an incredibly sympathetic person, but there is a point where my sympathy wears thin.
Exactly. I'm simply not going to feel the same amount of sympathy for the woman in the OP as I am for someone who was assaulted by gunpoint in a mall parking lot.


Ah. A woman assaulted at gunpoint in a parking lot is an innocent victim. This woman wasn't an innocent victim, she was complicit in her own victimization. Fuck her. Oh, wait.

It's sad and he's an asshole, but she should have known better, at least after the first incident.

And all those millions of USAmerican voters should have known better, at least after the first incident.

Sadly, they didn't. And now quite a lot of them are losing their jobs and their homes and their health care. Oh, and their sons and daughters, or their own lives or limbs. Fuck 'em.

If you want to act like her stupidity played no part in her victimization, be my guest.

If you want to pretend I did or would act like that, feel entirely free. And have some freedom fries on me. I'm feeling generous.

But DO NOT DARE to suggest that I have ever or will ever think, say, or imply that "Women should blame themselves when they are sexually assaulted."

Okay. Just the stupid ones. Now, if you can just help me sort out which ones those are ...

If you cannot apologize for that outrageous comment, then nothing you say will have any meaning to me.

Hey, it's been perfectly obvious for quite some time that nothing I say has any meaning to you. I don't blame myself, though.












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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #136
137. "I don't blame myself, though."
I think that's pretty much your mantra. Keep spewing, you're only making yourself look worse. But, naturally, it's not your fault.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #137
139. ah, a speedreader!

boo.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #124
209. Who says there's no Coulter/Malkin on our side of the spectrum, eh?
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #209
211. Seriously, total right-wing argument tactics.
Wow. Good point.

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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #108
120. delete
Edited on Fri Apr-27-07 02:54 PM by grace0418
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #103
131. DUERS, PLEASE READ POST #103 and tell me where I wrote the following:
"Women should blame themselves when they are sexually assaulted"

I'd really like to know where it was so I can remove it. It must be that damn invisible ink.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #131
162. I found it. It's right here:
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #162
163. You're a DUer???

Gotta go shift that paradigm now, I guess.

Oh, wait. No, that's right ...

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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #163
171. Yup
Been here a long time too. Oh, I know that in your perfect world I would have been booted out long ago and DU would have been reduced to a tiny pool of like, twelve people all marching in lockstep to your twisted vision of what is politically correct. But since Skinner is in charge of things like that and you're not, yup, I'm a DUer.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #162
173. That's what I thought.
Damn, now how do you go about editing something you never said? Skinner, can you help?
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #103
180. I like the way you think Grace.
:hi:
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:33 PM
Original message
Thanks!
Not only do I like the way you think, I like that you *do* think. Apparently, us women-folk aren't supposed to get all uppity and use our brains.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #100
122. Chickey, you are all over the place....
Let's take a look back at how this started.

You said, and I quote:

"women are conditioned from birth


to disregard their gut feelings, particularly when it comes to men; to give men the benefit of doubt; to be concerned about men's feelings ...

And then they are laughed at when they follow instructions.

By progressives.

har de har har har. I'm hysterical. And yer all a barrel of monkeys."


Questions:

With respect to "Women are conditioned from birth....."

You gotta have mother issues cuz really who the fuck teaches their daughter that they must cow tow to their men??? OMG!! That is child abuse right there.

See what I think is going on here is that you have serious issues to resolve with your own upbringing. ANY MOTHER that would teach her daughter these types of lessons needs serious psychotherapy, as I am convinced you are in need of as well.

Women are not victims! And you labeling us as such creates anger. Everyone woman has their demons, as does every person regardless of sex. And you electing yourself to be the spokeswoman of victims of sexual abuse is forgery. I would think I speak for most women when I say that "we" refuse to be thought of as the weaker, not as intelligent, or helpless of the sexes.

You do NOT speak for me.

Furthermore, I could tell you stories that would make anyone here just break down and cry like a baby.

YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ABUSE!! So don't even try to masquerade as a spokesperson....KAY? Got it?
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #122
126. You speak for me, hang a left!
To have someone suggest that we are nothing more than the sum of our conditioning is just insulting.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #126
140. Absolutely!

To have someone suggest that we are nothing more than the sum of our conditioning is just insulting.

Why, if I were that, I'd be a liberal, and that would be quite appalling. Just look at how I'd be behaving. Yech.


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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #140
143. You're apalled to be called a liberal? That pretty much says it all.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #143
145. Guess you missed the 60s
And, like, political reality in the modern world. You didn't miss my previous post, though, so your surprise is just a teensy tinesy big disingenuous. But here you go again. Of course, I doubt that you've heard of Phil Ochs, and you may well have avoided encountering the whole notion of The Left.

"Liberal":
self-flattering label applied to themselves by people who think they're better than other people and that claiming to have an open mind exempts them from using it, and claiming to be tolerant of difference exempts them from actually trying to understand it or valuing it.



Love Me, I'm a Liberal

I cried when they shot Medgar Evers
Tears ran down my spine
I cried when they shot Mr. Kennedy
As though I'd lost a father of mine
But Malcolm X got what was coming
He got what he asked for this time
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I go to civil rights rallies
And I put down the old D.A.R.
I love Harry and Sidney and Sammy
I hope every colored boy becomes a star
But don't talk about revolution
That's going a little bit too far
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I cheered when Humphrey was chosen
My faith in the system restored
I'm glad the commies were thrown out
of the A.F.L. C.I.O. board
I love Puerto Ricans and Negros
as long as they don't move next door
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

The people of old Mississippi
Should all hang their heads in shame
I can't understand how their minds work
What's the matter don't they watch Les Crain?
But if you ask me to bus my children
I hope the cops take down your name
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I read New republic and Nation
I've learned to take every view
You know, I've memorized Lerner and Golden
I feel like I'm almost a Jew
But when it comes to times like Korea
There's no one more red, white and blue
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I vote for the democratic party
They want the U.N. to be strong
I go to all the Pete Seeger concerts
He sure gets me singing those songs
I'll send all the money you ask for
But don't ask me to come on along
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

Once I was young and impulsive
I wore every conceivable pin
Even went to the socialist meetings
Learned all the old union hymns
But I've grown older and wiser
And that's why I'm turning you in
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #145
154. Heh.
I cried when they shot Medgar Evers
Tears ran down my spine
I cried when they shot Mr. Kennedy
As though I'd lost a father of mine
But that little old black lady got what was coming
She got what she asked for this time
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

Hmm. Now who does that remind me of?
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #150
159. I love a "feminist"!!
You are absolutely pitiful

Yup, that's how feminists talk to other women.

you went from bad parenting to a helpless victim of sexual abuse.

Yup, feminists always tell strange tales about what other women -- hell, people in general -- say.

Which you now espouse to be defending for those who are incapable.

And feminists can be relied on to be incoherent, most of the time.

Girley, you are graspin'.

Feminists are especially fond of addressing other women by means of demeaning, diminishing epithets originated by people for the purpose of infantilizing them and suppressing their voices.

You started with a shitty argument and you have made it even worse. Don't you know when to click onto another posting board.

Like I said, feminists can often be relied on to be incoherent.

You are freakin' nutso!!

Hmm. I guess feminsts are fond of placing excessive punctuation at the end of their trenchant observations.

I trust I haven't missed anything. I shall ponder these lessons carefully, and try to apply them in my daily life, and especially when addressing fellow members of DU. Thank you!







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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:58 PM
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #168
170. I think

Does that mean I'm a dyke??

That your spelling is a little off. If you replace the "y" with a "run", and knock off the "e", you might get what you intended.

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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #170
175. So besides having childhood issues....
That need addressing STAT.

You have a fondness for word games?

Well I feel relieved that you have had SOMETHING to take your mind off of your skewered outlook.

They have art therapy as well, where you can string beads and stuff. I could google for you.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #170
208. I really am missing our quiet talks....
where oh where did you go??
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #122
130. since you ask, oh great and revered feminist
(snicker, snort)

You gotta have mother issues cuz really who the fuck teaches their daughter that they must cow tow to their men??? OMG!!

(a) I wouldn't know. I said nothing about mothers or daughters. Why are you asking me?

(b) It's spelled "kow tow". Do a google for "eggcorn" and have hours of amusement. Do you tow lines, too?

(c) http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200wales/tm_he...
Swansea Crown Court heard today that Sbano originally told his victim, a woman from Pembrokeshire, west Wales, he was dying of cancer.

He claimed he had been told he had just six months to live and that sex was the only way to alleviate his condition.

As a result the woman, 36, a former teacher in a private school, readily agreed to have sex with him in an effort to relieve his pain.

... Huw Rees, prosecuting, said Sbano introduced the woman to a Muslim doctor he claimed was a consultant at Royal Marsden Hospital, in London.

He said she claimed the doctor confirmed Sbano was dying of cancer and the defendant later explained how sex alleviated his pain.

They had sex frequently, sometimes two or three times a day, the prosecution say in a clinical and emotionless manner, Mr Rees said.

He said Sbano claimed he attended East Surrey Hospital, Redhill, for treatment and the woman would sometimes take him there.


Vilify "Muslims" for their treatment of women (as so many at DU do so often), then laugh at the woman who behaves as she has been oppressively taught to behave.

And tell me that her behaviour does not mirror exactly what I said in the first place:
women are conditioned from birth to disregard their gut feelings, particularly when it comes to men; to give men the benefit of doubt; to be concerned about men's feelings ...

Damned liberal of the lot of you, is all I can say. And I say it with a straight face. Liberals sicken me.

OMG!! That is child abuse right there.

Yeah. Nothing to do with what I said, of course, but whatever.

See what I think is going on here is that you have serious issues to resolve with your own upbringing.

Funny thing. My mother never taught me any such thing. As my father didn't. Pretty much the rest of the universe in the 1950s tried to, though. And if you don't think it's still telling girls the same thing today, you ain't living in this one.

ANY MOTHER that would teach her daughter these types of lessons needs serious psychotherapy, as I am convinced you are in need of as well.

I often wish that someone would invent a simple pill that would make all the stupid and rude people in the world become invisible and inaudible. That would probably do the trick, and be a lot cheaper, than the years of psychotherapy -- we'll call it brainwashing -- it would take to persuade me to ignore them.

Women are not victims!

Strangely, many are. As are many men. But congratulations on buying into the latest wave of psychobabble.

If someone who is abused or assaulted or defrauded isn't a victim of someone else and his/her misconduct, then s/he is the author of his/her own misfortune. No third way, I'm afraid. So like I said ... blame the victim if you like.

And you labeling us as such creates anger.

If you don't want to be labelled a victim, don't let me interfere. I have neither labelled you a victim nor labelled women victims. But don't let me stop you from pretending I have. Work up a nice anger, and be sure not to direct it anywhere that matters. Like at people who victimize other people.

And you electing yourself to be the spokeswoman of victims of sexual abuse is forgery.

Of course, the forgery here is your own statement. I speak for myself. I speak about what I know, sometimes from experience, sometimes from study, always after reflection. Do speak for yourself when you feel the urge. Just don't pretend to be quoting me. Not that I particularly care; just a bit of advice.

I would think I speak for most women when I say that "we" refuse to be thought of as the weaker, not as intelligent, or helpless of the sexes.

Congratulations. Of course, there are in fact women who don't agree with you and don't want you speaking for them, but don't let that stop you from doing it. You know best.

YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ABUSE!! So don't even try to masquerade as a spokesperson....KAY? Got it?

The only thing to do with such pointless bits of irrelevant twaddle is ignore them. But allow me to use this one as a springboard: You do not speak for me. I speak for myself, and the words in my mouth are put there by me, not by you. Got it? How about if I stand over here?


Decent people care about people who are victims. Liberals ... well, liberals ...


Love Me, I'm a Liberal

I cried when they shot Medgar Evers
Tears ran down my spine
I cried when they shot Mr. Kennedy
As though I'd lost a father of mine
But Malcolm X got what was coming
He got what he asked for this time
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I go to civil rights rallies
And I put down the old D.A.R.
I love Harry and Sidney and Sammy
I hope every colored boy becomes a star
But don't talk about revolution
That's going a little bit too far
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I cheered when Humphrey was chosen
My faith in the system restored
I'm glad the commies were thrown out
of the A.F.L. C.I.O. board
I love Puerto Ricans and Negros
as long as they don't move next door
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

The people of old Mississippi
Should all hang their heads in shame
I can't understand how their minds work
What's the matter don't they watch Les Crain?
But if you ask me to bus my children
I hope the cops take down your name
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I read New republic and Nation
I've learned to take every view
You know, I've memorized Lerner and Golden
I feel like I'm almost a Jew
But when it comes to times like Korea
There's no one more red, white and blue
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I vote for the democratic party
They want the U.N. to be strong
I go to all the Pete Seeger concerts
He sure gets me singing those songs
I'll send all the money you ask for
But don't ask me to come on along
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

Once I was young and impulsive
I wore every conceivable pin
Even went to the socialist meetings
Learned all the old union hymns
But I've grown older and wiser
And that's why I'm turning you in
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal



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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #130
133. Talk about a stunning amount of hypocrisy.
Edited on Fri Apr-27-07 03:49 PM by grace0418
You want to accuse everyone else of the most outrageous abuses and insults, making all so official with your excerpts and links and your spelling corrections. And yet in every post you seem to be doing exactly what you accuse everyone else of doing: taking things out of context, making comments that have nothing to do with anything, and psychobabble.

Vilifying Muslims? "Malcolm X got what was coming"? Do you have any idea what you're even talking about anymore?
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #133
198. "Malcolm X got what was coming"
I'm not following the hostilities closely, but that line and those lyrics are from a Phil Ochs song. I think you missed the meaning.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #198
200. I think Iverglas missed the meaning too.
:rofl:
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #198
203. Yes, I know. She posted the whole song. Twice.
I got her meaning loud and clear. Didn't make any sense, but I got it.
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #122
253. Not all women teach their daughters not to "cow-tow" to men
Edited on Fri Apr-27-07 07:10 PM by piedmont
Many fundamentalists of several religions teach their daughters EXACTLY that, and would never dream of teaching their daughters anything at all about sex or their genitals in general.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #16
125. And men are conditioned from birth
to see themselves as superior to women and order them around.

But I don't give the sexist pigs that act that way a pass. I hold them responsible for their actions, just ike I do for every human being.

Sorry iverglas, but judging from the responses from both women and men this argument isn't going to fly.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #125
147. Nederland, for once I agree with you 100%!
:hi:

This is about as mcuh fun to read as a good lounge thread!

:popcorn:
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #125
153. gosh, what a grand analogy
And men are conditioned from birth
to see themselves as superior to women and order them around.
But I don't give the sexist pigs that act that way a pass.


Huh. They do something that harms other people, and you won't give them a pass. You're a paragon of virtue. Me, I'd just pat them on the head and say "good boy". You know I would.

I hold them responsible for their actions

Good on ya! Shun them, maybe? If they go too far, put 'em in jail?

Now, what might be the appropriate way to hold a woman stupid enough to believe the men she has been conditioned to believe, engage in an activity she has been told by a man will alleviate his pain as she has been conditioned to want to do, and follow the instructions she believes were issued by another man whose authority she has been particularly conditioned to respect?

Why, rape her, of course, if you happen to get the chance. And then laugh at her, if you hear about it.

What fucking moronicity is this? "Hold her responsible for her actions?" Her actions hurt HER. How the hell do you propose to "hold responsible" someone who has hurt herself?

I can't decide whether to puke at the horror of this or laugh at the utterly unbelievable stupidity.

At least while doing the latter I'll know that I'm laughing at someone whose stupidity hasn't resulted in any serious harm coming to him/her. Yet. If and when it does, I promise to stop laughing.

Sorry iverglas, but judging from the responses from both women and men this argument isn't going to fly.

Sorry, Nederland, but you must have mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what flies or doesn't fly in this little sewer. Anything that flies in a sewer isn't likely to be something I'd want to be around.

Just imagine what a shock it would have been to me if I'd found you saying anything respectful of women. Thanks for not giving me heart failure.

People who Like Acting Completely Vilely. The initials cover more than one discussion board, eh?







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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #153
156. You're funny
Edited on Fri Apr-27-07 05:04 PM by Nederland
I'm glad I stopped by. :)

With all of the time and effort you spend responding to each and every person that challenges you, you actually expect us to belive that you don't "give a shit"?

Yeah, it's quite clear just how much you don't care.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #156
255. LOL!
Here's some more popcorn to munch on:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moronicity

:popcorn:
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #153
164. Why, you would "hold her responsible" by
refusing to prosecute the perpetrator for rape or anything else, of course. You know how that works.

That's what it appears Nederland and the others -- including your two frighteningly hysterical women stalkers -- would approve wholeheartedly. 'Cause THEY for darn shure aren't stupid enough and weak-female enough to be a victim of sexual assault EVER. Nevermind that at least one of them (or both of them) already have been. But that doesn't count. They've learned their lessons and KNOW better now, by God.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #164
184. Hi. "Frightenly hysterical stalker" here.
I ask you to quote, not imply, not infer, not project, not extrapolate, but QUOTE where I wrote that anyone should refuse to "prosecute the perpetrator for rape or anything else" in any of my posts. I seem to really be having a hard time with phantom posts or invisible ink or something today.

If I leave my doors unlocked and put a big sign over my front door that says "hey, my doors are unlocked, my valuables are in the upstairs bedroom and the keys to my car are in the ignition," that doesn't make anyone who would rob me any less guilty of a crime. But it does make me a damn fool. And I would share some responsibility for my victimization.

And by the way, for such a feminist you're quick to call me "hysterical" and a "stalker" just because I disagree with your friend. That's right, a woman like me can't possibly have valid thoughts and opinions. I must be hysterical, a crazed woman reduced to stalking.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #184
248. You're not hysterical because you disagree with iverglas --
but because of your extraordinarily shrill tone.

This is my one response to you, similar to that I just gave Hang a Left or whatever her name is: I'm not going to play your silly games. There is no future in any "dialog" with you. I've watched you -- and her -- twist words, not be able to follow a very clear line or discussion, etc., and I'll have none of it, thank you.

So attack all you want. YOU (and she) are on your own. Enjoy!! :hi:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:28 PM
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148. Deleted message
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #148
188. I did not know this.
I know it now. I don't hang out in GD much, and this is why.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #188
196. well allow me to assist you

I virtually never look at GD, myself. In fact, I had managed to stay away from the whole place for a few weeks ...

Here ya go. My latest bitter, twisted thread. Please don't feel obligated to actually read it; I'm sure it would be tiring.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #16
232. Sorry I wasn't conditioned that way
and I don't know a single woman who would fall for that con.
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:16 PM
Response to Original message
17. Who knew that this ploy would work.
I guess I'll get my OB/GYN cards printed.
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:16 PM
Response to Original message
18. so he's being charged with fraud and prostitution
he did make her pay for sex, after all.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:20 PM
Response to Original message
20. 1 to 10 minutes??
Bummer.

Seriously, could you buy this woman a clue?
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:21 PM
Response to Original message
21. Shock treatment
is more likely in order.
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:36 PM
Response to Original message
34. Have they said anything about how she could be so ignorant about sex?
Was she completely cut off from popular culture? Incredibly sheltered childhood? Anything? I just can't quite believe this.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #34
40. I don't quite believe it either.
Who's trying to fool who?
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #40
43. Exactly. nt
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #40
44. there ya go!
She wasn't just STUPID, she's A LIAR.

Well she's a WOMAN. What did you all expect???

(And no, I am not unaware that there are self-hating women in the world ...)

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #44
48. You, Iverglas...
ain't fooling anybody.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #48
149. No...but it does make for fun reading.
:)
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #149
181. And, apparently...
he really did fool a couple of people.

:shrug:
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #34
46. That's what I'd like to know
This story is way too cockeyed to be true on its face.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #46
59. Cockeyed??
LOL - that's right up there with "poking fun". :)
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #59
60. Well,
I umm.... ...ummm :think: ;-)
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Sweet Freedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #34
55. You. Would. Not. Believe.
My mother used to be a director at a Planned Parenthood and you would not believe the ignornace when it comes to sex. Everything from women believing they could get pregnant from toilet seats and swimming pools to the woman who believed her boyfriend had bumps surgically implanted on his penis to give her pleasure when in reality, he gave her genital warts.

Unbelievable and very sad.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #34
95. I Found a *MUCH* More Detailed Article
http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200wales/tm_he...

Swansea Crown Court heard today that Sbano originally told his victim, a woman from Pembrokeshire, west Wales, he was dying of cancer.

He claimed he had been told he had just six months to live and that sex was the only way to alleviate his condition.

As a result the woman, 36, a former teacher in a private school, readily agreed to have sex with him in an effort to relieve his pain.

Later she developed an illness which doctors at first believed was typhoid but which was eventually diagnosed as herpes.


..

At that point Sbano stepped in with what he claimed was advice from a friend who was a consultant regarding the best way to carry out her treatment.

He offered to administer an expensive cream, which he got the woman to pay for, through regular anal sex which he timed with a clock.

He had previously told her that the cream, developed in America, was very expensive and the treatment usually painful.

Sbano denies nine counts of rape by deception on the woman, in the form of anal sex between January and November 2001.

He also denies 11 separate counts of obtaining cash amounting to 5,500 by deception.

Huw Rees, prosecuting, said Sbano introduced the woman to a Muslim doctor he claimed was a consultant at Royal Marsden Hospital, in London.

He said she claimed the doctor confirmed Sbano was dying of cancer and the defendant later explained how sex alleviated his pain.

....

After his arrest Sbano claimed he knew nothing about the treatment and alleged the woman had concocted the whole story.



I think the most likely case is that she willingly went along with the lie in order to not be seen as a tart, considering their backgrounds.

I also think he should be charged with fraud, not rape.
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #95
99. It's still stupid, but in a more understandable way, I guess.
And this was a school-teacher! Boggles the mind!
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #99
107. Yeah, It's Crazy
Edited on Fri Apr-27-07 02:13 PM by Crisco
Not that that counts for a whole lot. But I'm betting she was raised in a strict Muslim background. Probably has some other major messes to go along with it. And her she was at age 36, approaching her own sexual peak, in a country with a more permissive atmosphere.
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #107
115. It does sound like she had a strict religious upbringing, and I had guessed Muslim...
though the articles don't state it.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #95
105. That means she paid $12,000 for the penis cream.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #95
172. Why am I not surprised?
I also think he should be charged with fraud, not rape.

:eyes:

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #172
178. Well, she did consent to intercourse.
Did she not?

:shrug:
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #34
151. Perhaps a strict Muslim family.
The defendant is Muslim, his doctor friend was Muslim, so I'd be willing to bet the woman was as well. It sounds like she was inclined to trust him because he was also a Muslim immigrant. If she was an immigrant from a Muslim country, that would explain how she could be so "naive" compared to native Westerners. Many women in Muslim countries ARE taught to be dependent on men, to listen & obey, and not to be independent or self-reliant. Certainly there's no sex education for women. She might be foolish, but she might also just be ignorant about these matters because of her strict upbringing. I can't really laugh at this - it certainly looks like she (and her mother) were taken advantage of by this con-man.
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #151
176. yeah, I had guessed that already.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:42 PM
Response to Original message
47. unbelievable
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:43 PM
Response to Original message
49. My cream dispenser is sterile.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:44 PM
Response to Original message
51. The Old "Penis Cream Treatment" Ploy?
This has been a longstanding tradition? I gotta' get out more.
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:46 PM
Response to Original message
53. Hmmm. Can you still get those "Free Moustache Rides" t-shirts?
:think:
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #53
54. Heh
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:54 PM
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57. OH MY GAWD -- you have to read this.
When I was a kid my dad had one of those big thick handlebar mustaches. It was truly beautiful and he was kinda known for that thing. Now I was raised in a very christian household.

When I was about 15 we were at a fair and bought my dad one of those T-shirts for Father's day. Dad, not knowing the sexual meaning behind it, wore it all over the place for months. One day he proudly wore it to work at the factory. Finally, near the end of the day, some man that worked with him was kind enough to clue him in on the true meaning. Needless to say my Dad was MORTIFIED. He never told us or mom, just quietly put the shirt in a bottom drawer.

About 5 years ago (30+ years later) they moved and the shirt was uncovered. I cannot begin to tell you the laughing fit my brothers and their wives had over that thing and the sheer joy of needling my Dad over it.

:)
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:14 PM
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68. WOW.
What a messed-up story! I hope your dad has a sense of humor about it, it really is hilarious!
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:50 PM
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98. ^__^ LOL!
Not quite as funny, but a long time ago when I was a kid, I wanted to paint my bedroom a version of sunshine yellow. When it came time to pick out accessories, I was in the store and picked up a plastic inflatable pillow, very hip at the time. (early 70s) It had yellow, and orange in it and besides the centerpiece of this pillow was a pic of my fav band at the time, Three Dog Night.

It took me another THREE YEARS to realize everybody in the photograph was naked. :dunce: :rofl:

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:15 PM
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222. "mortified" is too small a word to describe what he must've felt! LOLOL!
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:59 PM
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58. Did she ever find out what that "rash of white spots" really was?
Sounds like she needs to see a real doctor.


I am reminded of the old joke about the couple (living way out in the woods/hills/etc., natch), who had a baby every year. Until they finally found out what was causing 'em, at least.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 07:07 PM
Response to Reply #58
252. link to more detailed article
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:07 PM
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61. This post needs more noms
You have to share with the general viewing public this funny funny thread.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #61
174. Yeah, deceiving gullible women into having sex really is hilarious
Really, really funny.

Anything you've ever been gullible or foolish about? Felt ashamed or downright humiliated about later? Nah, probably not. You're probably perfect. Know everything and all that. BOY I wish I was like you.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:33 PM
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195. Guess what la fey or what ever the hell your name is....
I just couldn't let someone 2-3 times a week fuck me up the ass. I don't know, maybe because it hurts so much.

I have done many stupid, gullible, and ignorant things in my life. Truly though, I would have to blame those many mistakes on myself.

But being confused about a medical procedure that requires someone ramming their dick up my ass on a daily basis is not one of them.

You want to debate the fine art of common sense?? Let's go.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #174
206. Not very talkative now....
are ya??
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 07:01 PM
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247. What, because I went elsewhere on DU for a while?
YOU may be hangin' here, breathlessly waiting for responses, I have other things to do.

As for your previous post diatribe, you're on your own, kiddo. I'm not going to play those silly games with you. You're hysterical, and making exactly that much sense. So go ahead and attack all you want.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:09 PM
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62. Here's an even better story about the case
http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200wales/tm_he...

Turns out that the pilot convinced the woman that he was dying of cancer and the only way to relieve his pain was through frequent sex. Naturally, being a kind and generous person, she started helping this man relieve his pain.

Well...she caught the herpes around her rectum, probably from the cancer sufferer, and was told by him that the only way to cure said affliction was to pay a vast amount of money for this special cream he imported from America that was administered through timed anal sex. In a BBC story on the case, the woman paid 400 pounds and her mom paid 5500 pounds. He also told her the treatment could be painful. I imagine!

I will say one thing for the guy: he's got a LOT of guts to ask a woman to pay him to perform anal sex on her daughter.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #62
64. I wonder what the alternative medicine people have to say.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:20 PM
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74. Uhm, don't fall for scams?
If you had a fever or aches and pains, and I told you to scrape off the inner bark of a Willow tree, crush it, and then ingest it, and it would reduce the fever or relieve the pain, would you believe me?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:23 PM
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76. I'd believe you...
because willow bark contains salicylic acid. Of course, I'd never actually take it, because it has much worse side effects than acetylsalicylic acid, more commonly known as aspirin. But this is conventional medicine, I was talking about alternative medicine.

You know- homeopathy and magic crystals and magnetic bracelets.

I was wonder about their opinion because I'd think they're used to being fucked over on false medical claims.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:04 PM
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102. I divide "alternative" medicine into two tiers...
There's the "placebo effect" scams, that, when they work, which is rare, it can be attributed to the placebo effect. Those bracelets advertised on TV, crystals, etc. fall into that category, and are usually scams.

Then there are "herbal" or "natural" remedies that have true effects on certain medical ailments. To give an example, growing up, my Mom grew Aloe vera in the house, and anytime I got a scratch, cut or burn, she first washed it, then applied the Aloe, just cut off a leaf and spread the resin on the wound. The fact is that it has pretty much the same effects as let's say, Neosporin, but at a much cheaper cost, considering it was a living thing is a bonus. Even if it didn't aid the healing that much, it was relieving.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #102
121. That's all well and good.
But if you think stripping off the bark of a willow tree when you could just pop down to the corner store and by some aspirin better, than I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 03:54 PM
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135. Didn't say one was better than the other, just that the "alternative" works...
Both have similar side effects, especially in regards to gastrointestinal problems, the biggest difference is that those problems are more likely to manifest themselves to people who use Willow bark than Aspirin.

Science, in general, is simply a study of the natural world, and Aspirin was synthesized because someone was able to use a combination of old fashioned "common sense" in how Willow Bark worked on the body and found a way to reduce the side effects.

Here's another example, if you are one of the thousands of people bitten by a venomous snake, or spider in this country, the most common, and only effective, treatment is horse, sheep, goat, or rabbit's blood. Humans have known for thousands that animals can develop resistance to venoms from many different animals if given small, non-lethal, doses over a long period of time. We have used that knowledge to inject this venom into horses or sheep, sometimes a combination of different venoms, and then take the antibodies that are produced and inject them in humans that were poisoned by these animals.

Marijuana is another example of this, regardless of what the government says, the active ingredient in Marijuana, THC, is generally harmless, and has many different medical applications. It increases appetite, a boon for cancer patients under chemotherapy, or for AIDS patients. It relieves many of the side effects of these other drugs, while having few to none from itself. Its no miracle, but at the same time, it should be recognized as better than most other "conventional" medicines that deal with these same problems, many of which have severe side effects.

The problem is that there seems to be a disconnect here, the differences between "Conventional" and "Alternative" medicines can be as simple as packaging or marketing, or as complicated as a different formulation between the two. The fact is that there have always been health scams out there, from snake oil salesmen to those magnetic bracelets that you see on TV, the thing to remember is to use your head, use some critical thinking skills, and don't get scammed.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #62
65. that's interesting

I will say one thing for the guy: he's got a LOT of guts to ask a woman to pay him to perform anal sex on her daughter.

I can think of quite a lot of things to say about him. That wouldn't actually have been the first one to spring to my mind. Funny how results vary.

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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 03:25 PM
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127. I can think of a lot of things to say about the mother that would
pay to have someone stick a dick up her daughter's ass. If that is actually true. But hey, who's askin' me?

Just off the cuff, I like talking to you:

Would you let someone stick their dick up your ass if your mom asked and paid for you to do it??

It is a logical question at this juncture, ya know.
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #62
67. Well, that does make more sense...sorta
Damn, some people are real shit-heads. And others are too trusting for this world.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #62
73. I - will - not --- laugh...... I -- will --- not --- laugh...... I -- will --- not --- laugh.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #62
85. Wow that is really crazy.
Slow learner, I guess.

"He said that over time it began to dawn on the woman that Sbano had devised the treatment only to have sex with her on his terms."
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:47 PM
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96. Oh god, it just keeps getting worse!
Man - this is a pretty ludicrous story, but the article you posted really just makes me a bit queasy. An admittedly rather *gullible* woman is sodomized by a lying con-man and then contracts herpes from him?

I feel horrible for her. How sickening.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #96
179. Well, YOU'RE a ray of sunshine
about the only person on this whole thread who has a sense of decency and compassion. Thanks. It's quite refreshing.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #179
183. and you too, of course

Sadly -- fortunately? -- decency and compassion is often found more easily in the real world than here.



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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #183
187. Decency and compassion?
This from the person that defended the murder of a 92 year old woman?

:rofl:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #187
205. The disconnect with some people is astounding.
:)
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #62
101. At least this is better info
than the story in the OP.

Still, I am sorry this woman and her mother are so dense. And I am sorry this family seems to have gotten bilked out of about $10 grand in the process, plus having anal herpes now. Sheez. That guy should be put away.

Still, I am having a hard time believing the respective barristers aren't laughing their heads off away from court and their respective clients.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:16 PM
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71. good thing she didn't have a sore throat or hemorrhoids
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:21 PM
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75. Funny...until it happens to YOU
I just found out I've been getting fucked for six years by some guy pretending to be the president.
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #75
81. good one. nt
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #75
82. You're just finding out?!?!
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #82
84. Well, he said if he fucked me over there, he wouldn't have to fuck me here
But now I'm just fucked.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #84
87. Did he use special cream too?
:rofl:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #87
89. He called it Hot Patriot Eagle Jesus Cream
It sounded so real...
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #75
88. Bush Sex
You make up excuses why you have to go in quickly, you say it will be quick and pleasurable, you go in unprepared, you do "surges", and then you refuse to pull out.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #88
112. Damn you and jgraz!
Edited on Fri Apr-27-07 02:15 PM by supernova
Just when I thought I was collecting myself.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:





edit: smilie patrol
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #75
90. HAHAHA!!
OMG! :rofl:

Good one. I thought the story was a little sad and gross, but your joke made my day.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #75
94. y'know, that actually is pretty funny

I just found out I've been getting fucked for six years by some guy pretending to be the president.

A bunch of people yammering away on the internet about someone else's stupidity ... who are citizens of a country where a humongous proportion of the electorate voted for George W. Bush. Twice.

Funny. If the entire thing weren't so sad.

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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:00 PM
Original message
and it's even funnier

how when the joke's on y'all, it just isn't so funny. Hahahah. I think it's hilarious.

Fucked up the ass by George Bush and the rest of 'em ... and elect them again so they can do it some more. What a bunch of morans, eh?

If you could just try to keep him busy so he doesn't do it to the rest of us, when we aren't RESPONSIBLE for him being president of anything, it would be much appreciated.

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liberalEd Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:23 PM
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77. You know how when we ask Bushco, were you evil or incompetent?
they always pick incompetent?

If I were to bet, I would bet something like that is going on here.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:36 PM
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83. A moderately poor man rents a Ferrari and a tux
goes to a fancy restaurant, and woos some woman. He promises her jewelry and a lavish lifestyle.

They "retire", make sweet, sweet love, and then the next morning he returns the car, the tux...

Is this another case of "rape by deception."???
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #83
86. Or how about "I'll call you"?
Damn, I need a lawyer...
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #83
186. Your view of women and sex is pretty degraded
But sadly not at all unusual.

You apparently believe that women trade sex for money, ALL women, all the time, and that you can -- and are perfecgtly entitled to -- buy sex from women, which makes all women prostitutes, actually. Not a very nice view of women.

You apparently believe that sex is merely for personal gratification instead of a willing sharing of affection -- which means that the two parties are merely using one another.

I would not be surprised to learn that you are a consumer/big supporter of pornography, esp. or at least during those times when you are not in a relationship.

Misogynist attitudes. And really sad, IMO.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #186
191. You're projecting.
You're assuming the poster thinks that of all women.

Seems to me he brings up a valid point. If a man lies about his income, intentions, etc. before a one night stand, is that rape?
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #191
246. Sue it's a valid point for those who view women and sex in those
terms -- that a date with dinner is "payment" for sex, and that sex is primarily for sexual gratification.

No, I'm quite clear that I'm not projecting.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 07:05 PM
Response to Reply #246
249. You didn't answer the question.
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Celeborn Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #186
192. :Yawn:
:eyes:
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Dragonbreathp9d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:43 PM
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91. I'm sorry
but just like the door to door breast exam- anyone dumb enough to fall for this doesnt deserve to press charges
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:17 PM
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182. Deleted message
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #182
204. isn't it amazing?

Ya can't even make the stuff up.

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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:12 PM
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109. O. M. G. n/t
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kitkat65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:12 PM
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110. It wasn't Steve Martin's Penis Beauty Cream was it?
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:28 PM
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113. I'm not condoning the man's actions, but ...
HOW F*CKING STUPID DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO FALL FOR THIS?!? :banghead:
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:36 PM
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116. oooh kay...
:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:41 PM
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118. First it was the Japanese buying fake poodles, now this
Did some magic lever get pushed, making some people to lose all notion of common sense?

Well, probably not, I had a friend once ask me where she could buy ear wax. :banghead:
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #118
129. Possible good news on the sheep/poodle story
This source suggests it may have been a hoax.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=263447

OTOH the Japanese are proud people. I wouldn't put it past them to officially deny that such an embarrassing event happened.

But Keith Richards mixing his father's ashes with cocaine and snorting them? Let's just say I wouldn't put it past him.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:44 PM
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119. All of England ought to be mortified that is woman is teaching children.......Yikes
Sorry but this woman is a fucking moron.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 03:08 PM
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123. folks' reaction to this can be read as "this is who i am..."
regardless of the specifics of the case, those who sympathize with this woman are the people i'd want to share time with. period.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #123
138. check

I feel, sometimes, like my neighbour's cat, whose tale I recently told elsewhere here. He would sneak into another neighbour's house in search of catnip, and she would look up from the computer to see him loitering in the kitchen doorway, and say "MacDuff! Why are you here?" and he would look befuddled: why was he there??

Nice to meet you. If you know where the club of people who give a shit and have spent more than two seconds of their life contemplating how other people come to be oppressed and exploited are meeting today, please send directions!

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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #123
190. Well, it'll be a small group, won't it?
I too agree with you.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 03:52 PM
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134. After my vasectomy, I told my wife that
the surgeon told me that I had to have sex with her every night for 6 months or I would die.

She asked, "What do you want written on your tombstone?"

:rofl:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:02 PM
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141. Why does this remind me of this cartoon?
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #141
144. HI-FREAKING-LARIOUS!
Watch out though. The Victim Police should be by any minute to cite you.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #144
167. Hey now...
practicing medicine without a license is a serious crime.

:rofl:
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:08 PM
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142. The Rascals fell for this one too
they wrote a song about it


I was feelin' . . . so bad,
I asked my family doctor just what I had,
I said, "Doctor, . . .
(Doctor . . .)
Mr. M.D., . . .
(Doctor . . .)
Now can you tell me, tell me, tell me,
What's ailin' me?"
(Doctor . . .)

He said, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
(Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah)
Yes, indeed, all you really need . . .
(Is good lovin')
Gimme that good, good lovin . . .
(Good lovin')
All I need is lovin' . . .
(Good lovin')
Good lovin', baby.

Baby please, squeeze me tight . . . (Squeeze me tight)
Now don't you want your baby to feel alright? (Feel alright)
I said Baby . . . (Baby) . . . now it's for sure . . . (it's for sure)
I got the fever, Baby, Baby, but you've got the cure
(You've got the cure)

I said, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
(Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah)
Yes, indeed, all I really need . . .
(Is good lovin')
Gimme that good, good lovin . . .
(Good lovin')
All I need is lovin' . . .
(Good lovin')
Good lovin', baby.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:48 PM
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160. I Agree
I agree totally with iverglas and Morgana. Totally. ...but I'm not going to get into it at all here. I give up. It's not worth it to be derided.
Lee
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #160
193. As you well know, their derision is their misogyny
:hi:

It's pretty heavy today, along with all the "blame the victim" misognist sentiment. Very sad, very ugly, very depressing here at DU.

I sure have used that word a lot in the last several days. Getting tired of needing to.

But I'm going to start labeling every post that's sexist or misogynist precisely. Each and every one I encounter. I only decided that about halfway thru THIS thread and I don't intend to go back, but from here on out, every one gets the appropriate label.

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Celeborn Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #193
199. ...
It doesn't matter how much you cry "misogyny". it doesn't change the fact that this woman is an idiot, not a victim.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #199
201. Oink, Oink, Oink, Oink, Oink...n/t
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:44 PM
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207. That's the sound a person who's lost the argument says.
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Celeborn Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #201
210. Uh huh.
Do wanna debate what I said or you going to continue acting like a child?
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:03 PM
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213. No desire whatsoever to debate with you. None....n/t
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:14 PM
Response to Reply #199
220. is ignorance stupidity? because if so, the biggest bunch of morons is DU have banded together here..
because they have no clue what it's like for women that aren't them.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #199
238. idiot and victim are not mutually exclusive, look upthread there's loads to back me up here...
you know the law is supposed to protect people from fraud despite the fact that there's a world full of wiseasses who look down on the victims.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #199
245. idiots can't be victimized?
If not, that means they're responsible for any horrible thing that happens to them -- that they are not, indeed, innocent.

That means that should you want to rape someone, all you would have to do is find an "idiot."

That means that bullies must be innocent too, since they typically prey on the weak and idiotic.

That means that someone who is retarded shouldn't complain if they get bullied, or beat up, or otherwise harmed.

Interesting little philosophy you got goin' there.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:51 PM
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161. Shhhhhh!!
don't tell my wife about this..... :rofl:
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:00 PM
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169. my vote is the story is a hoax
the british do have a very odd sense of humor sometimes
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #169
215. Either that or...
this is one of the dumbest women to ever walk the planet.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:24 PM
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189. The old ointment on the dick trick....
I'm sure many unsuspecting women have been victims of that one!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:35 PM
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197. wow, a lot of people on this thread are as ignorant as that woman...
Edited on Fri Apr-27-07 06:12 PM by bettyellen
and as nasty as the pilot.
it didn;t occur to any of y'all the cultural disconnect. you have no clue how the other half lives, do you?
just ick, the bunch of you. you ought to keep your grudges to yourselves and stop embarrassing yoursleves with this stalky behaviour.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #197
202. Cultiral disconnect?
You mean like the other cultirs where dick therapy is a form of herbal medicine?
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #202
216. oh, they've been through "dick therapy" but it didn;t work. they are still dicks.
Edited on Fri Apr-27-07 06:07 PM by bettyellen
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #216
217. People in other cultirs?
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #217
219. *swats gnat*
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militaryspouse Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #197
212. SAD
Funny,shocking, and unbelievable at the same time. Just wow!
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:14 PM
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221. This story is NOT funny
Anybody who finds any humor in this story has serious issues that I suggest be addressed immediately. Seriously, see a therapist.

This woman was clearly extremely misinformed and naive about sex, probably due to her upbringing. The man exploited her credulous nature in order to rape her.

Not funny.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #221
223. but the attackers were victims of REAL attacks- BRUTAL ones- anything less is BS, dontcha know....LO
seems to me like some have not healed right. :shrug:
sad, ain;t it?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #221
224. I think it's hilarious.
She consented, so it's not rape either. Unless she's mentally retarded or something.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:22 PM
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225. How do you define consent?
Truly believing that she was being administered a medical treatment through intercourse is not consent. She is a victim of exploitation because of her own ignorance.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #225
227. First off, I don't think she really thought he had a miracle penis.
Secondly, even if she did, she's still of sound mind and body, and responsible for her own actions. She isn't any more of a victim of rape then everybody who's ever been lied to by a sex partner.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #227
231. Sound mind?
No. If she truly believed that she was receiving treatment, she was not of sound mind. It's preposterous to say otherwise.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #231
233. I don't think anybody's that stupid.
Which is why I don't believe the story.

Unless, of course, she's had some kind of brain injury or birth defect. In which case she's welcome to try and prove it medically.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:30 PM
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234. I tell you what
If this story isn't true, then you have a point.

If it is true, though....
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #234
237. If it is true, it still isn't rape.
Mean? sure. Criminal? Possibly. Maybe practicing medicine without a license, or something. Rape? Nope.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #237
240. I don't see how you can come to that conclusion
Assuming it is true, this woman was ignorant about sex. This makes her utterly incapable of consenting. No consent implies rape, period.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:24 PM
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228. I love this thread...
I am able to get all my frustration out on stupider than mutha-*ucking dirt posters. It really has been a relief to me today.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:22 PM
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #226
230. Hang on, hang a left.
Don't feed them. That's what they want.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:25 PM
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229. This one heads straight to the
Darwin awards. What a stupid woman. Hope the judge laughs.
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militaryspouse Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #229
235. re
this is why chaperones during gyn exams are important. Didn't anyone in his office ever expect something?
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militaryspouse Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #235
241. yup
Mean? sure. Criminal? Possibly. Maybe practicing medicine without a license, or something. Rape? Nope.

exacly! When we assign the word rape to stories like this it dilutes the real meaning of the word.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:38 PM
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239. How the hell can someone be THAT naive?
:crazy: :banghead:

Oh and some of the posts in this thread are ridiculous. It's all because she was "raised in a sexist society", huh? She didn't have any responsibility to have some common sense, huh? Give me a f-ing break.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:48 PM
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243. There are no excuses unless this woman is mentally retarded
but, given the fact that she is a teacher, then that is probably out of the question. The story is funny because it is STUPID. Very, very STUPID. How come a sane woman is going to let some unknown penetrate her with the excuse of applying a medicine?

In fact, I think the woman knew what was going on.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:53 PM
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244. her mom went along with it. so "raised ignorant" it is...
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #239
254. She started having sex with him when he claimed...
...that he was dying of cancer and that gave him relief:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:47 PM
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242. This story makes my head and stomach hurt between queasy giggles nt
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The empressof all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 07:28 PM
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256. Locking
Words fail me.....and not in a good way...

flamebait is first on the list so I'll leave it at that.
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