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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 10:22 AM
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Neb. nuke plant event and a W.Va. coal plant exposion

http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index.php?smp=&lang=eng


Nebraska


A Nebraska utility has reported a small fire at a nuclear power plant that was already shut down for refueling and maintenance. Nebraska Public Power District spokesman Mark Becker says the fire was put out in about five minutes at Cooper Nuclear Station near Brownville in southeast Nebraska. No injuries were reported and the fire was not near any radioactive material. Becker says a welding accident started the blaze Monday, which was put out by a lone fire-watch person. Because it took more than 10 minutes for firefighters to verify the danger had passed, NPPD reported the incident to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. The plant has been shut down for two weeks. Becker declined to say exactly when the plant will go online, but he says it should be operating by early November.
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W. Va.


An overnight explosion at the Mitchell Power Plant in Marshall County caused some damage but, no injuries. According American Electric Power spokeswoman Carmen Pratti-Miller,a coal feeder located beneath a pile of coal exploded. Miller said they're currently investigating the cause of that explosion. She said there was damage to some equipment but no one was injured. The 2 a.m. incident did not cause any loss to the operations at the plant.
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 10:25 AM
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1. Ahhh, ensho, we can always rely on you to overstate what really happened in your headline
I think I may have to put you on ignore. I just KNEW this was a non story when I read the headline and KNEW it had to have been posted by you.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 10:33 AM
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3. was wondering what this was about, couldnt see the connection
unless its all about us moving to bicycle powered homes etc etc...
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 10:36 AM
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4. RSOE lists nuke plant happening as Events, so I post them that way


what do you have against the word 'event'?


yes, you can count on me to keep DUers informed of nuke plant events, and other kind of plant's explosions.

just so you know
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 10:32 AM
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2. It was a NUCLEAR fire.
Well no it actually was a fire from a welding torch small enough that a single man with a fire extinguisher put it out.

However I am glad ensho pointed out that coal is far more dangerous and destructive than clean renewable nuclear power.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 10:37 AM
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5. ...because 'clean' nuclear power generates mutant poisonous crap that lasts into
infinity, more or less.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 11:00 AM
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6. Did you know we can reduce that time to a matter of days with transmutation?
Edited on Thu Oct-15-09 11:08 AM by Statistical
Of course very little research is being done on this because of the anti-nuke propaganda in the United States.

One of the worst long lived isotopes is Tc-99 with a half life of 211,000 years. However by bombarding Tc-99 with neutrons we can change it into Tc-100 which is very unstable. It has a half-life of 16 seconds. Yup 16 seconds.

So after
16 seconds - radioactive output is 50%
32 seconds - radioactive output is 25%
64 seconds - radioactive output is 12%
96 seconds - radioactive output is 6%
2 minutes - radioactive output is 3%
4 minutes - radioactive output is 0.1%
....
After a mere 1 hour (225 half lives of 16 seconds) virtually all of of the Tc-100 has decayed into non-radioactive Ru-100.
Only one part per 5.4x10^67 remains.



We can't transmute Sr-90 * Cs-137 but they have half lives of about 30 years (vs hundreds of thousands). In 200 years (much easier to plan for 200 years than 211,000 years) only roughly 1% remains. Sr-90 & Cs-137 waste can be managed much easier than the long half-life products.




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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 11:06 AM
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7. so why aren't they doing that? if that is so possible, why isn't it on the table?
Edited on Thu Oct-15-09 11:07 AM by ensho

anywhere in the world?

or is it being done somewhere?


however our plants, nuke and otherwise, are our neighbors Right Now. cancer doesn't wait.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 11:24 AM
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10. Well we have no system to store, transport, reprocess, and transmute waste.
Edited on Thu Oct-15-09 11:30 AM by Statistical
Every single nuclear power plant PAYS the US govt to handle the waste. They are required to. The EPA collects 1/10th cent per KWH (roughly 3% of gross revenue) from every single kwh generated. The purpose of the money is for the govt to handle long term disposal of waste.

The govt collects the money and never collects the waste. The environmentalist would rather pretend nuclear power doesn't exist. A national transmutation, reprocessing, and deepcore store center likely would lead to a massive increase in nuclear power. It solve the unsolved issue. Better to block any attempt at a solution then claim a problem exists. We have been transmuting isotopes for 30 years now in labs. We have even turned lead into gold via nuclear transmutation.
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 09:47 AM
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15. Can you provide a link to these cancer rates?
I would like to see how many people get cancer linked to a Nuclear Power Plant or waste from one. I think you are talking out of your ass. You are more likely to drown in your bathtub TODAY than you are to come in contact with radioactive material from a Nuclear Power plant. The odds of you getting cancer from that material are infinitesimal.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 09:53 AM
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18. Look into the toxic sludge they remove from the bottom of the boilers
Heavy metals, organics, radioactive isotopes...coal slag is fairly dangerous, actually, yet doesn't get a tenth of the attention that nuclear plants get.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 11:13 AM
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8. Will you be making a post about every small welding fire in the US?...nt
Sid
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 11:20 AM
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9. if RSOE lists it, then I will
nt
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 11:30 AM
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11. Definitely a shoot the messenger attitude here concerning nukes, huh
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 11:32 AM
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12. You mean concerning welding, right?...nt
Sid
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 09:49 AM
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16. NO, not at all. The messenger is making his OWN message.
Edited on Fri Oct-16-09 09:52 AM by rd_kent
From the website he pulls info from:
The Hungarian National Association of Radio Distress-Signalling and Infocommunications (RSOE) operates Emergency and Disaster Information Service (EDIS) within the frame of its own website which has the objective to monitor and document all the events on the Earth which may cause disaster or emergency.

SO, a welding torch fire at a plant that was put out by one person that had no effect on the plant or its operation is "events on the Earth which may cause disaster or emergency".

Yeah, this is a shoot the messenger thing, right.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 09:59 AM
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19. The messenger has an obvious agenda
ensho is one of the most outspoken critics of nuclear power on this website, and posts like this are simply meant to play into nonsense fears and paranoia about it. Most people at DU read the headline and little else, and ensho knows that.

Believe all you want that this is just some "public service." There is an agenda behind it, and when there is, yes, I will attack the message and the messenger.
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 10:45 AM
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20. Yes, I know. Thats what I have said.
But thanks for repeating it to me.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 11:33 AM
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13. I have learned NOW (at long last) to ignore all your posts related to RSOE
there is NEVER anything worth looking at in these posts. my only hope is that you are trying emphasize the security and safety of nuclear power through these 'event' posts.

i do love the comment shortly above mine that asks if you will post info about EVERY small welding torch fire. why are you are not posting ALL the OSHA reported injuries and violations and perhaps the sexual harassment complaints would be fun too...

sp
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 11:46 AM
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14. you keep saying that
nt
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 09:51 AM
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17. You're doing Hearst proud
NUCLEAR FIRE OF DEATH TO KILL EVERYONE IN NEBRASKA

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
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