No Autopsy for Bruce E. Ivins (Anthrax "killer")...Case Closed.

[Junkdrawer]

...

No Autopsy

Ivins's death is being investigated as an apparent suicide from a drug overdose, said Lieutenant Shawn Martyak of the Frederick Police Department's criminal investigation division. Based on laboratory test results of blood taken from the body, the state medical examiner ``determined that an autopsy wouldn't be necessary'' to determine the cause of death, Martyak said.

The Los Angeles Times, which first reported the story, said Ivins took an overdose of prescription Tylenol with codeine.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation has come under fire for failing to solve the crimes. In June, the U.S. agreed to pay a settlement valued at $5.8 million to resolve a lawsuit by another Fort Detrick researcher, Steven Hatfill, who said the government improperly identified him publicly as a ``person of interest'' in the case.

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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aGwtzOlYDSok&refer=home

Now, I'd say that the whole thing stinks to High Heaven, but then that would be a Conspiracy Theory and I don't want people to think I believe such things.

So glad to have all the Anthrax stuff behind us.

[Annces]

1. I agree

The whole thing looks like a government media production, such as the picture they used to show who he is, like he was a prisoner.

[ThoughtCriminal]

2. Gee, who would be surprised

Family should insist on an autopsy.

[rzemanfl]

3. Terri Schiavo gets an autopsy and this guy doesn't? Fuck. n/t

[Ichingcarpenter]

4. No Examination of the mouth, throat or body?

To see if there are bruises from a funnel or constraints?

[HelenWheels]

5. I thought this smelled funny from the first time I heard about it

Nice way to wrap things up.

[malaise]

6. Can't his family demand a private autopsy? n/t

[geomon666]

19. They'd have to pay for it themselves. n/t

[marmar]

7. You know you've crossed the rubicon when the "Conspiracy Theory" is far more believable.....

..... than what's being presented as "reality." ..... C'est la vie in BushAmerica.

[AntiFascist]

32. The mainstream media is pushing a series of 'supported' facts...

all we have to go on is speculation. Instead of complaining we need to dig and look for potential whistleblowers. What I fear is that people are getting paid off, just like most of the families in 9-11. All that black-ops drug money must be getting put to use.

[Supersedeas]

49. his collegues are saying there is no way he did it--his lawyer says he's completely innocent

Hatfill's case was no speculation

[lapfog_1]

8. I just LOVE the motive story they came up with...

:sarcasm:

[Marr]

9. This story is making me think of something from Guantanamo.

About a year ago, I read that the Bush Administration seemed to be pushing hard for a maximum number of executions of prisoners before they leave office. One more act of housecleaning.

I find it very curious that this man was only "caught" a few months before the Bush team is set to leave office.

[Octafish]

10. Didn't something else happen around then that seems like an ''inside job''?

With the news about the 44-pound cat and shark week, I can't remember.

I do remember that Kenny Boy Lay didn't have an autopsy and he had a closed-casket funeral, to boot.

[Junkdrawer]

25. Without an understanding of history, especially the history...

of the rise and fall of the British Empire, Oil, Banking Systems, how they all interrelate and how we took over where they left off, the truth seems like a wild and wacky Hollywood movie.

What people cannot place in their World View becomes invisible. The average American bumps into these invisible enigmas several times a day. They stop, rub the bruise, and move along.

[Orrex]

11. What's the big deal? There was no autopsy in the Heath Ledger case, either

Oh, wait a minute--yes there was.


Hmm...



Barring other evidence, I'm still not willing to believe that Ivins was suicided, but this does strike me as really peculiar.

[tanyev]

12. Case closed. And only a few months before the Bushies left.

Nice and tidy.

[ailsagirl]

13. Chalk up another one n/t

[Junkdrawer]

47. Well, Hatfill wouldn't take the fall so they needed to implement Plan B...n/t

[UTUSN]

14. You forgot the "sarcasm" emoticon. It's a new rule. n/t

[Junkdrawer]

20. Sarcasm???? n/t

[KittyWampus]

15. wouldn't an autopsy tell if drug was present before or AFTER death? Whether there was any coercion

[napi21]

41. Yes, and it would also tell how long the drugs had been in the stomach,

and if enough of the drug had been obsorbed by his body to actually kill him. During an autopsy, they also check for any bruises, cuts abrashions, and the condition of all the organs. I wonder if his brother could demand one?

I also thought it was mandatory that an autopsy be done on ANY body that was found dead, especially if he wasn't under a Drs care for some serious illness.

[Dystopian]

51. I don't know if this is a state law.....?

My brother committed suicide, and an autopsy had to be done....
He hung himself...
Couldn't have a double funeral because of the delay.
My father died of a heart attack in a hospital the day before, so of course, no autopsy mandated.
Not preforming an autopsy is very telling...
They're freaking me out again.
This government is evil and corrupt beyond comprehension...


peace~

[jimshoes]

16. I'm sure a DU'er predicted this yesterday

that or the fact that he'll be cremated in days and any evidence along with him.

[MasonJar]

17. Inexcusable under the circumstances, and very suspicious.

[glitch]

18. REEKS. And they aren't even bothering to crack a window anymore.

Foul people.

[Junkdrawer]

55. LOL

:rofl:

[formercia]

21. I'd bet the body is nothing but ashes already. n/t

[Junkdrawer]

26. He was Roman Catholic. They're having a hard enough time explaining a suicide...

by a man who wrote scathing letters denouncing medically assisted deaths.

[formercia]

27. I wonder if he was SMOM?

That might explain the connection.

[formercia]

29. Suicide is a Mortal Sin.

I grew up in that right-wing reactionary Catholic environment.


This proves to me that he was murdered. Someone like him would rather be roasted on a spit than kill himself.

[Kaleko]

39. Dr. Ivins was a Roman Catholic?

How strange then, that he purportedly sent a note along with the anthrax from his military lab... A note that would identify him as a rabid (and seemingly reckless, since the anthrax was traceable to his lab) Muslim fundamentalist:





And look, Dr. Ivins, our top-notch biochemist, doesn't know how to spell penicillin!


Yeah, right.

:crazy:

[formercia]

42. The note was a false-flag to try and make it look like a Muslim

You obviously don't understand the basic concept of a false-flag operation.

[Kaleko]

43. You obviously didn't understand what I wrote.

Perhaps I should have added sarcasm tags...

[bdf]

22. You can guarantee he was killed

Here in the UK, when we kill an inconvenient person like David Kelly and label it suicide we get a tame coroner to back it up. Of course, then other experts look at the evidence made available by the coroner and conclude "no fucking way." That tends to be a little embarrassing. This way there can be no embarrassing counter-opinions based upon evidence.

But the downside to that is it becomes obvious to all that the guy was killed. Because without an inquest it is impossible to be certain that he really did die of an overdose of that drug, or that he wasn't sedated and the drug forced down his throat, or... An inquest into a suspicious death, even an apparent suicide, is almost always required, because otherwise you can't be sure it wasn't murder. The only possible reason for not having an inquest into a death of this nature is because he was killed and they want to cover up that fact.

[Kaleko]

46. Thank you. Very clear.

[samsingh]

23. this is very suspicious and rovian

[nc4bo]

24. It's hat time.

:tinfoilhat: Let the conspiracy theories begin in 3, 2, 1.......

Helluva world we live in.

[GoesTo11]

28. I hate it when these suiciders shoot themselves twice in the head

[spanone]

30. the fix is in folks....

[TexasObserver]

31. MOVE ALONG, THERE'S NOTHING TO SEE HERE!

WE SAID MOVE ALONG!!
--- your government and complicit media

[Junkdrawer]

33. See post #25. For most, there is nothing they can see. n/t

[spanone]

34. cnn just reported that the justice dept is deciding whether to close the case

wanna take bets???

[Annces]

35. They are giving it a full 10 seconds of thought

if that.

[formercia]

36. If only for plausible deniability.

I'm sure the decision was made, even before he died.

[screembloodymurder]

37. Welcome to The Tinfoil Haberdashery

Get your tinfoil hats here. It's fashionable, it's sheik, it's necessary attire.

[underseasurveyor]

38. Of course there's no need for an autopsy

Our government wouldn't lie or try to cover anything up. Preposterous to think so.
:freak:

[Canuckistanian]

40. Neatly tied up with a pretty bow on top

Now anyone who tries to question it will be branded as a conspiracy nut.

Nice work, Bushco.

[Junkdrawer]

44. Yep. In a week or so anyone who mentions "anthrax" will have their post moved to the dungeon...

where "unpaid volunteers" will be happy to pour scorn over any of your quaint little "theories".

[Supersedeas]

45. guy has been dead since Tuesday, and conveniently it shows in Friday News dump

[ColbertWatcher]

48. In what circumstances does one NOT get an autopsy? n/t

[Gabi Hayes]

52. from what I was able to find on google (not much), it's up to the individual state.

I know I've read that it's very common that autopsy is mandatory when somebody dies alone or if it appears to be a suicide. Also, clear cases of murder, or suspicious circumstances

better googlers will be able to find the law, but I'm guessing it's not mandatory in Maryland. I thought a family could demand one, and not have to pay.

[ColbertWatcher]

53. Thank you, maybe someone in that field can answer? n/t

[Gabi Hayes]

54. found this......looks like the ME gets to decide whether an autopsy is necessary

An individual dying in Maryland as a result of a homicide, poisoning, suicide, criminal abortion, rape, drowning, or dying in a suspicious or unusual manner, or a death of an apparently healthy individual or a case which is dead on arrival at the hospital shall be examined by the medical examiner in the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in Baltimore, or in any other place as may be approved by the Chief Medical Examiner

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

50. Wanna bet the body gets cremated?

Any takers? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

[autorank]

56. No conspiracy, just a "coincidence theory" n/t k*r