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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:40 AM
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No Autopsy for Bruce E. Ivins (Anthrax "killer")...Case Closed.

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No Autopsy

Ivins's death is being investigated as an apparent suicide from a drug overdose, said Lieutenant Shawn Martyak of the Frederick Police Department's criminal investigation division. Based on laboratory test results of blood taken from the body, the state medical examiner ``determined that an autopsy wouldn't be necessary'' to determine the cause of death, Martyak said.

The Los Angeles Times, which first reported the story, said Ivins took an overdose of prescription Tylenol with codeine.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation has come under fire for failing to solve the crimes. In June, the U.S. agreed to pay a settlement valued at $5.8 million to resolve a lawsuit by another Fort Detrick researcher, Steven Hatfill, who said the government improperly identified him publicly as a ``person of interest'' in the case.

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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aGw...

Now, I'd say that the whole thing stinks to High Heaven, but then that would be a Conspiracy Theory and I don't want people to think I believe such things.

So glad to have all the Anthrax stuff behind us.

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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:43 AM
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1. I agree

The whole thing looks like a government media production, such as the picture they used to show who he is, like he was a prisoner.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:43 AM
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2. Gee, who would be surprised
Family should insist on an autopsy.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:43 AM
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3. Terri Schiavo gets an autopsy and this guy doesn't? Fuck. n/t
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:47 AM
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4. No Examination of the mouth, throat or body?
To see if there are bruises from a funnel or constraints?
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HelenWheels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:48 AM
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5. I thought this smelled funny from the first time I heard about it
Nice way to wrap things up.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:48 AM
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6. Can't his family demand a private autopsy? n/t
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:27 PM
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19. They'd have to pay for it themselves. n/t
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:49 AM
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7. You know you've crossed the rubicon when the "Conspiracy Theory" is far more believable.....
..... than what's being presented as "reality." ..... C'est la vie in BushAmerica.


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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:17 PM
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32. The mainstream media is pushing a series of 'supported' facts...

all we have to go on is speculation. Instead of complaining we need to dig and look for potential whistleblowers. What I fear is that people are getting paid off, just like most of the families in 9-11. All that black-ops drug money must be getting put to use.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:39 PM
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49. his collegues are saying there is no way he did it--his lawyer says he's completely innocent
Hatfill's case was no speculation
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:53 AM
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8. I just LOVE the motive story they came up with...
:sarcasm:
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:53 AM
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9. This story is making me think of something from Guantanamo.
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 11:54 AM by Marr
About a year ago, I read that the Bush Administration seemed to be pushing hard for a maximum number of executions of prisoners before they leave office. One more act of housecleaning.

I find it very curious that this man was only "caught" a few months before the Bush team is set to leave office.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:00 PM
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10. Didn't something else happen around then that seems like an ''inside job''?
With the news about the 44-pound cat and shark week, I can't remember.

I do remember that Kenny Boy Lay didn't have an autopsy and he had a closed-casket funeral, to boot.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:38 PM
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25. Without an understanding of history, especially the history...
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 12:39 PM by Junkdrawer
of the rise and fall of the British Empire, Oil, Banking Systems, how they all interrelate and how we took over where they left off, the truth seems like a wild and wacky Hollywood movie.

What people cannot place in their World View becomes invisible. The average American bumps into these invisible enigmas several times a day. They stop, rub the bruise, and move along.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:06 PM
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11. What's the big deal? There was no autopsy in the Heath Ledger case, either
Oh, wait a minute--yes there was.


Hmm...



Barring other evidence, I'm still not willing to believe that Ivins was suicided, but this does strike me as really peculiar.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:06 PM
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12. Case closed. And only a few months before the Bushies left.
Nice and tidy.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:10 PM
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13. Chalk up another one n/t
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:15 PM
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47. Well, Hatfill wouldn't take the fall so they needed to implement Plan B...n/t
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:12 PM
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14. You forgot the "sarcasm" emoticon. It's a new rule. n/t
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:31 PM
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20. Sarcasm???? n/t
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:13 PM
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15. wouldn't an autopsy tell if drug was present before or AFTER death? Whether there was any coercion
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 03:58 PM
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41. Yes, and it would also tell how long the drugs had been in the stomach,
and if enough of the drug had been obsorbed by his body to actually kill him. During an autopsy, they also check for any bruises, cuts abrashions, and the condition of all the organs. I wonder if his brother could demand one?

I also thought it was mandatory that an autopsy be done on ANY body that was found dead, especially if he wasn't under a Drs care for some serious illness.
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 09:53 PM
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51. I don't know if this is a state law.....?
My brother committed suicide, and an autopsy had to be done....
He hung himself...
Couldn't have a double funeral because of the delay.
My father died of a heart attack in a hospital the day before, so of course, no autopsy mandated.
Not preforming an autopsy is very telling...
They're freaking me out again.
This government is evil and corrupt beyond comprehension...


peace~
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:18 PM
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16. I'm sure a DU'er predicted this yesterday
that or the fact that he'll be cremated in days and any evidence along with him.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:25 PM
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17. Inexcusable under the circumstances, and very suspicious.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:26 PM
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18. REEKS. And they aren't even bothering to crack a window anymore.
Foul people.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 06:55 AM
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55. LOL
:rofl:
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:33 PM
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21. I'd bet the body is nothing but ashes already. n/t
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:55 PM
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26. He was Roman Catholic. They're having a hard enough time explaining a suicide...
by a man who wrote scathing letters denouncing medically assisted deaths.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:02 PM
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27. I wonder if he was SMOM?
That might explain the connection.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:13 PM
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29. Suicide is a Mortal Sin.
I grew up in that right-wing reactionary Catholic environment.


This proves to me that he was murdered. Someone like him would rather be roasted on a spit than kill himself.

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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 03:17 PM
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39. Dr. Ivins was a Roman Catholic?
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 03:19 PM by Kaleko
How strange then, that he purportedly sent a note along with the anthrax from his military lab... A note that would identify him as a rabid (and seemingly reckless, since the anthrax was traceable to his lab) Muslim fundamentalist:





And look, Dr. Ivins, our top-notch biochemist, doesn't know how to spell penicillin!


Yeah, right.

:crazy:
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:13 PM
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42. The note was a false-flag to try and make it look like a Muslim
You obviously don't understand the basic concept of a false-flag operation.
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:36 PM
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43. You obviously didn't understand what I wrote.
Perhaps I should have added sarcasm tags...
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bdf Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:35 PM
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22. You can guarantee he was killed
Here in the UK, when we kill an inconvenient person like David Kelly and label it suicide we get a tame coroner to back it up. Of course, then other experts look at the evidence made available by the coroner and conclude "no fucking way." That tends to be a little embarrassing. This way there can be no embarrassing counter-opinions based upon evidence.

But the downside to that is it becomes obvious to all that the guy was killed. Because without an inquest it is impossible to be certain that he really did die of an overdose of that drug, or that he wasn't sedated and the drug forced down his throat, or... An inquest into a suspicious death, even an apparent suicide, is almost always required, because otherwise you can't be sure it wasn't murder. The only possible reason for not having an inquest into a death of this nature is because he was killed and they want to cover up that fact.
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:55 PM
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46. Thank you. Very clear.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:36 PM
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23. this is very suspicious and rovian
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:38 PM
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24. It's hat time.
:tinfoilhat: Let the conspiracy theories begin in 3, 2, 1.......

Helluva world we live in.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:11 PM
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28. I hate it when these suiciders shoot themselves twice in the head
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:13 PM
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30. the fix is in folks....
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:15 PM
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31. MOVE ALONG, THERE'S NOTHING TO SEE HERE!
WE SAID MOVE ALONG!!
--- your government and complicit media
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:18 PM
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33. See post #25. For most, there is nothing they can see. n/t
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:24 PM
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34. cnn just reported that the justice dept is deciding whether to close the case
wanna take bets???
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:26 PM
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35. They are giving it a full 10 seconds of thought
if that.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 02:07 PM
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36. If only for plausible deniability.
I'm sure the decision was made, even before he died.
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 02:21 PM
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37. Welcome to The Tinfoil Haberdashery
Get your tinfoil hats here. It's fashionable, it's sheik, it's necessary attire.
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underseasurveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 02:57 PM
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38. Of course there's no need for an autopsy
Our government wouldn't lie or try to cover anything up. Preposterous to think so.
:freak:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 03:44 PM
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40. Neatly tied up with a pretty bow on top
Now anyone who tries to question it will be branded as a conspiracy nut.

Nice work, Bushco.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:37 PM
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44. Yep. In a week or so anyone who mentions "anthrax" will have their post moved to the dungeon...
where "unpaid volunteers" will be happy to pour scorn over any of your quaint little "theories".
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:52 PM
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45. guy has been dead since Tuesday, and conveniently it shows in Friday News dump
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:30 PM
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48. In what circumstances does one NOT get an autopsy? n/t
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 09:57 PM
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52. from what I was able to find on google (not much), it's up to the individual state.
I know I've read that it's very common that autopsy is mandatory when somebody dies alone or if it appears to be a suicide. Also, clear cases of murder, or suspicious circumstances

better googlers will be able to find the law, but I'm guessing it's not mandatory in Maryland. I thought a family could demand one, and not have to pay.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 10:00 PM
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53. Thank you, maybe someone in that field can answer? n/t
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 10:03 PM
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54. found this......looks like the ME gets to decide whether an autopsy is necessary
An individual dying in Maryland as a result of a homicide, poisoning, suicide, criminal abortion, rape, drowning, or dying in a suspicious or unusual manner, or a death of an apparently healthy individual or a case which is dead on arrival at the hospital shall be examined by the medical examiner in the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in Baltimore, or in any other place as may be approved by the Chief Medical Examiner
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:42 PM
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50. Wanna bet the body gets cremated?
Any takers? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 07:20 AM
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56. No conspiracy, just a "coincidence theory" n/t k*r
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