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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 09:08 AM
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Bush Administration Losing Control of Media: Fresh Air Breaks Through
by Barbara Bellows-TerraNova

Fresh Air Breaks Through With Phillipe Sands - the International Human Rights Lawyer Senate Republicans tried to Silence!

Did you hear NPRs Fresh Air on Thursday, June 19th?

If you did, you heard that for the rest of their lives, those who authorized, ordered and/or assisted with the decision to use the interrogation techniques that have been found to be TORTURE which means Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and a team of lawyers that includes Addington, Bybee, Haynes, Yoo and more cannot step outside the United States without being vulnerable to arrest and prosecution for war crimes.

It appears there is accountability beyond Pelosis table, with no time limit.

Dave Davies, sitting in for Terry Gross, interviewed Phillipe Sands, international human rights lawyer, British Queens Counsel, Director of the Centre of International Courts and Tribunals, Professor of International Law at University College London, and most recently author of Torture Team: Rumsfelds Memo and the Betrayal of American Values.

This was a lot more than a "driveway moment."

After a review of the evidence of Torture, particularly in relationship to Mohammed al-Qahtani, often referred to as 911's 20th highjacker, Sands used the example of Augusto Pinochets arrest in London decades after his reign of terror in Chile as the precedent for the detention of former heads of state.

A WHOLE lot more here and be sure to digg it!

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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 09:17 AM
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1. Awww - I do love the fresh air of truth
Good to hear!
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 09:23 AM
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2. Breathe deep!
:hi:
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:50 AM
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8. Yep, sure beats the flatulence of the past 7 1/2 years! nt
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 11:13 AM
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19. LOL!
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:57 AM
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12. The gathering gloom...for boosh & co. !!!!!!!!! n/t
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:13 AM
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3. kicky poo
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BB1 Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:46 AM
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40. Yo! We've almost finished the draft
that enables us to arrest and prosecute George W. Bush et al.

Let them come to Holland :) We'll be waiting... with a big stick.

ps shame about the EC football...
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:55 AM
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44. we still have the germans!
It like the US WC team.
The Turks, and Russians are technically superior. amazing players!
but they have not drama game!
They don't know how to play (or pay) the ref's which is why the Russians will loose to Spain, and the Germans will win the EK... again!
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:23 AM
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4. What a wonderful title.
But, I bet Dubai would welcome them.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:30 AM
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5. Here's the author's take on that:
So Much for Dubai

Well, it does blow the escape to Dubai, which has no extradition agreement with the U.S., where Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld and their law team would have run into Halliburton CEO David J. Lesar, who conveniently and abruptly moved to a new corporate in Dubai in May 2007, just as investigations into Halliburton contracts, accounting and more were ramping up. Without testimony from the CEO, Halliburton remains unaccountable.

And that's the way these guys -- august or slimy -- like it.

See, the more Americans recognize what has occurred, the greater the possibility that we, like many current Republican candidates, seek to distance ourselves from Bush/Cheney and their policies, and define our principles by facilitating justice.

That means indictment for those who have broken laws.

That threat made David Lesar hop a plane.

But Mr. Sands, speaking up and speaking out, may well have grounded that planned plane for the Torture Team.

by Barbara Bellows-TerraNova (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 19 comments) on Wednesday, June 25, 2008 at 5:47:35 AM
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:41 AM
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6. Not leaving the US won't bother Shrub.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:44 AM
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7. I wonder if he still plans on going to Paraguay?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:51 AM
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9. they have no extradition with the US
hopefully that will change soon with their new Left Leader.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 11:56 AM
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21. Does Paraguay have extradition treaties with anyone else?
Germany? France?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 01:03 PM
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24. not sure
but I would doubt it. It was a US propped up dictatorship for decades.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 09:42 AM
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55. Actually it seems that they do.
http://www.oas.org/juridico/MLA/en/traites/en_traites-e...

There is this, though:

As is customary in extradition treaties, Article IV incorporates a
political offense exception to the obligation to extradite. Article
IV(1) states generally that extradition shall not be granted for a political
offense. The article expressly excludes from the reach of the
political offense exception several categories of offenses:
(a) a murder or other willful crime against the physical integrity
of the Head of State of one of the Parties, or of a member
of the Head of States family;
(b) an offense for which both Parties are obliged pursuant to
a multilateral international agreement to extradite the person
sought or submit the case to their competent authorities for decision
as to prosecution; and
(c) a conspiracy or attempt to commit the offenses described
above, or participation in the commission of such offenses.
Article IV(2) provides that extradition shall not be granted if the
competent authority of the Requested State determines that the request
was politically motivated.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:54 AM
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11. Didn't they elect a Democratic leader who would agree to extradition?
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 11:00 AM
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15. IIRC, a win by the Patriotic Alliance for Change would not
bode well for boosh's Paraguay escape.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:53 AM
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10. You're right
He'll just retire to his ranch in Texas and his place in Kennebunkport and live out his life in comfort here.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 11:00 AM
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16. He's not welcome here either. n/t
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:44 AM
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43. Maybe I can
pursuade my wanked out neighbor with the loud motorcycle and the louder hostile radio, top volume, to move down to Kennebunkport.
Those earth shaking bass speakers are bad enough in an enclosed car.....open air it is horrible!
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Beausoleil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 12:59 PM
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58. "ranch"? Hell, no.
He'll be in Highland Park. They've been casing the place for months.

He'll have no need of a Potemkin ranch anymore. That was for "our" benefit only.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:57 AM
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13. Better the Bush cabal be put on trial by the World Court rather
than here because they won't be able to appeal to the Supreme Court.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:58 AM
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14. Wow....just....wow
K & R
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 09:38 PM
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31. I know!
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 11:01 AM
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17. Presidential pardons don't matter?
(I hope not...)
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 11:07 AM
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18. Not internationally!
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 07:38 PM
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28. Ooh. There goes that feeling again. It's something called "hope".
Now, how can we get the Bush admin stranded at some out of country airport?
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rambler_american Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:46 AM
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41. Just as good
make a detour through Brattleboro, VT.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/vermont/articles/2008/...
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 11:36 AM
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20. I heard Sands on BBC radio yesterday, and he called what happened here right after 911 a ''COUP''
said the neocons used 911 to push through their agenda

I'm sure he's said it elsewhere and I imagine there are links, but he used the word coup to describe what happened here

coup
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 12:29 PM
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22. Yep, "coup" must about covers it. And how convenient 9/11 happened when it did.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 08:16 AM
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51. Many Many people have correctly called it a coup
including George Carlin.
Because MSM is so stifled, it is not widely publicized.

Google and see what comes up.

In any event, yes, a definite coup. Long time planned, they did a great job of covering all the bases.
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 12:36 PM
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23. I totally dug it!
And voted it up. Thanks for posting!
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 03:23 PM
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26. Thank you!
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 01:04 PM
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25. good name for a tv show
Fresh Air with the Democrats
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 06:29 PM
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27. kick - I know the author - she is incredible
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 08:06 PM
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29. Kick! So glad some "truth" slipped by NPR's Politboro ....Thanks for post!
I've heard Phillipe on other places. Didn't think NPR would dare to have him on.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 09:17 PM
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30. :)
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 09:55 PM
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32. Would be nice if anything like this were true . . .
Edited on Wed Jun-25-08 09:56 PM by defendandprotect
I hope so -- but the cynic within wonders if all the money that Obama has raked in --

a lot of which will be going to the media --- might be helping to reshape their thinking?????

And, after all, if Obama makes it --- there's a new ass in town to kiss --- right???


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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 11:54 PM
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33. OMG, I have prayed for this. Maybe I will live to see them pay.
This is the best news I have heard for years. Thank You, helderheid.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 12:01 AM
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34. Um, wasn't Bush just out of the country a week or so ago?
Or does all this only apply after he's no longer prez?

Makes one worry about him trying to extend his stay in the WH doesn't it
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 12:33 AM
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35. Thanks so much for this. I heard part of the Sands interview in my car & made a note to get his book
I think I just couldn't believe what I was hearing -- that there might be hope of getting these bastards their well-deserved comeuppance. Reading your post helps make what I heard more real, and I'm almost getting goosebumps. Almost tears, even.

Everything is riding on this election. Everything. --> No pressure, eh Senator Obama? Just the soul of our nation.

Hekate
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 01:49 AM
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36. Everything is riding
Edited on Thu Jun-26-08 01:50 AM by NBachers
on keeping Obama alive long enough. I don't want to see another Robert Kennedy-type assassination. Please encourage safety and protection for Senator Obama.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 03:01 AM
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38. I pray daily for his long life -- & 8 years as President. nt
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 02:09 AM
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37. so what about the bushes' property in paraguay?
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Shipwack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:38 AM
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39. I wonder though...
What if one of the Bush war criminal gang goes overseas, to say, Belgium, and gets arrested.

Won't there be a hue and cry if President Obama doesn't try to use every available means (including force) to rescue him? If he does, he loses standing in the world community. If he doesn't he is portrayed at home as a partner of "lawless elelments", and accused of using his power to eliminate political enemies.

The corporate media will paint this a "kidnapping", and the influence of these fascists will linger for years after their departure.

Remember, Clinton felt obligated to order a missile strike against Gaddafi for an alleged assassination attempt on Bush Sr.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 09:43 AM
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56. I think there may be a subtle distinction
between an assassination attempt and an arrest, trial, and conviction. Perhaps even the American public would be capable of understanding this distinction.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:56 AM
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42. Through the NPR conversion, Terri Gross has always been one of the bright spots.
It cannot have been easy for her and her staff. She does a lot of puff pieces on musicians etc. - not sure if she gets to choose her topics.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 08:46 AM
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53. She has always done a lot of segments on the arts and music
In my memory, Fresh Air has always been more about music, books and all the arts than it has been about politics. And I've been an NPR listener for a long time.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:56 AM
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45. So *many* of us want The Criminal held accountable.
Is it possible that he will sail away from his crimes scot-free? bush makes OJ look like a piker - he only killed 2 people!

bush and his thugs belong behind bars.
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marias23 Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:46 AM
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46. This Made My Day: a commitment to justice
Only a commitment to justice whether it is legal or economic can save this world from imploding (or is it exploding?)Thanks for this post and the hope it gives....
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:51 AM
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47. This Is The Only Real Justice...
Impeachement doesn't begin to address the crimes this regime has committed. It doesn't go after all the criminals..and there's no real penalty these goon will suffer for their abuses of power and destruction of lives. Their criminality has risen to such a level that our own compromised Justice system and corrupt corporate media would make such a discovery and a full accounting impossible...it's up to the World Court...and as I had said previous, the ball is starting to roll in this direction.

There's no reason this regime should ever be pardoned or given a pass on any of its crimes...not now, not in a year or ever. It's our responsibility to never forget all the crimes and criminals and to demand justice wherever it can be found.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 08:03 AM
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48. K&R
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 08:06 AM
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49. maybe, but they still have a stranglehold on the democratic congress
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 08:49 AM
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54. "We got a kinder, gentler, machine-gun hand." Neil Young
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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 08:15 AM
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50. Ahhhh, they're just foolin' us AGAIN, we're still livin' 1984
DON'T BE FOOLED AGAIN
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Swagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 08:31 AM
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52. issue arrest warrants and give the info to INTERPOL !!
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Summer93 Donating Member (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 10:19 AM
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57. Arrest them and try them
Let's be done with them. They have killed too many, ruined the lives of too many. Take back our Constitution.
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