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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:26 AM
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Know your BFEE: Poppy Bush was in Dallas the day JFK was assassinated.
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 12:29 AM by Octafish
We know this because that is what George Herbert Walker Bush told the FBI.

We also know, from the same FBI report, that Poppy heard someone threaten to kill President Kennedy.

So, why did Bush wait until AFTER JFK was assassinated to come foward with the warning?

Here's the document:



Here's a transcript of the text:



TO: SAC, HOUSTON DATE: 11-22-63

FROM: SA GRAHAM W. KITCHEL

SUBJECT: UNKNOWN SUBJECT;
ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT
JOHN F. KENNEDY

At 1:45 p.m. Mr. GEORGE H. W. BUSH, President of the Zapata Off-Shore Drilling Company, Houston, Texas, residence 5525 Briar, Houston, telephonically furnished the following information to writer by long distance telephone call from Tyler, Texas.

BUSH stated that he wanted to be kept confidential but wanted to furnish hearsay that he recalled hearing in recent weeks, the day and source unknown. He stated that one JAMES PARROTT has been talking of killing the President when he comes to Houston.

BUSH stated that PARROTT is possibly a student at the University of Houston and is active in political matters in this area. He stated that he felt Mrs. FAWLEY, telephone number SU 2-5239, or ARLINE SMITH, telephone number JA 9-9194 of the Harris County Republican Party Headquarters would be able to furnish additional information regarding the identity of PARROTT.

BUSH stated that he was proceeding to Dallas, Texas, would remain in the Sheraton-Dallas Hotel and return to his residence on 11-23-63. His office telephone number is CA 2-0395.

# # #



Here's background:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKbushG.htm

Here's where to get more information:

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Ge...

So. Do you wonder why America is in the shape it's in?

A state of permanent war.

No peace dividend.

No peace.



Is it any wonder?

The turd doesn't fall far from the tree.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:38 AM
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1. And then told the Warren Commission that it must have been ome other
'George H W Bush'.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:58 AM
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4. Not many people with those initials.


Was GHWB mentioned in the Warren Commission Report, TomInTib?

If not, he should've been.

Here's a link to Mary Farrell's excellent index of the Warren Commission.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/docset/getLis...

Might you be referring to this memo, unearthed just prior to the 1988 election? In it, "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency" was debriefed by J Edgar Hoover himself. Presidential Candidate Vice President ex-DCI ex-China legation head George Bush said it wasn't him. The agency even released the name of another "George Bush" who worked at CIA for six months or so. That guy was surprised to find reporters on his doorstep and told them he was a photo analyst on loan from another government department and he never was debriefed by J Edgar Hoover, let alone for the anything to with the assassination of President Kennedy.



Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapata_Corporation#Two_FBI...

Here's a transcript of the above:



Date: November 29, 1963

To: Director
Bureau of Intelligence and Research
Department of State

From: John Edgar Hoover, Director

Subject: ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY
NOVEMBER 22, 1963

Our Miami, Florida, Office on November 23, 1963, advised that the Office of Coordinator of Cuban Affairs in Miami advised that the Department of State feels some misguided anti-Castro group might capitalize on the present situation and undertake an unauthorized raid against Cuba, believing that the assassination of President John F. Kennedy might herald a change in U. S. policy, which is not true.

Our sources and informants familiar with Cuban matters in the Miami area advise that the general feeling in the anti-Castro Cuban community is one of stunned disbelief and, even among those who did not entirely agree with the President's policy concerning Cuba, the feeling is that the President's death represents a great loss not only to the U. S. but to all of Latin America. These sources know of no plans for unauthorized action against Cuba.

An informant who has furnished reliable information in the past and who is close to a small pro-Castro group in Miami has advised that these individuals are afraid that the assassination of the President may result in strong repressive measures being taken against them and, although pro-Castro in their feelings, regret the assassination.

The substance of the foregoing information was orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency and Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency on November 23, 1963, by Mr. W. T. Forsyth of this Bureau.

# # #



I do remember that GHWB was head of the CIA when the Church Committee was looking into the CIA assassination programs. He made things all friendly-like and turned what had been a serious hunt for truth under previous DCI Colby into another dog-and-pony show.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 01:09 AM
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6. Yeah, he testified. Told 'em he was in Tyler (90 minutes from Dallas)
I don't know if the doc you had in your OP was part of the bs Report or not.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:48 PM
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70. Didn't the same thing happen about 911?
Bush was somehwere with the binladens, and he denied it and said he was in another state?
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kilgore65 Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:55 PM
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144. I think that it's also interesting to note...
that Bush's CIA tenure immediately preceded the appearance of HIV/AIDS in NYC homosexuals and Central African black populations. Check it out in Len Horowitz's books...
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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:36 AM
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22. What... you don't know "Huge Willy"? Great post Octafish. Bush's = SCUM!
If JFK had not been assassinated and won the election in '64 the world would be in much (to infinity) better shape.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:21 PM
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49. Here's what JFK wrote Kruschev to help wind down the Cuban Missile Crisis
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 05:22 PM by Octafish
...These are the words of President Kennedy, written to Kruschev during height of Cuban Missile Crisis. In it, JFK is responding to one of two letters delivered to the US from the Kremlin under Kruschev's signature. One letter was very belligerent. It was likely the response from their hard-right hardliners. Instead, JFK chose to respond to a second letter, probably written by the pragmatists -- probably headed by Kruschev, the Reformer.

It is extremely unlikely the current occupant of the Oval Office would have figured out what to do in the Cuban Missile Crisis; could have penned such a response; or would have followed the same course of action which kept the world from going up in nuclar annhialation.



Dear Mr. Chairman:

I am replying at once to your broadcast message of October twenty-eight even though the official text has not yet reached me because of the great importance I attach to moving forward promptly to the settlement of the Cuban crisis. I think that you and I, with our heavy responsibilities for the maintenance of peace, were aware that developments were approaching a point where events could have become unmanageable. So I welcome this message and consider it an important contribution to peace.

The distinguished efforts of acting Secretary General U Thant have greatly facilitated both our tasks. I consider my letter to you of October twenty-seventh and your reply of today as firm undertakings on the part of both our governments which should be promptly carried out. I hope that the necessary measures can at once be taken through the United Nations, as your message says, so that the United States in turn will be able to remove the quarantine measures now in effect. I have already made arrangements to report all these matters to the Organization of American States, whose members share a deep interest in a genuine peace in the Caribbean area.

You referred in your letter to a violation of your frontier by an American aircraft in the area of the Chukotsk Peninsula. I have learned that this plane, without arms or photographic equipment, was engaged in an air sampling mission in connection with your nuclear tests. Its course was direct from Eielson Air Force Base in Alaska to the North Pole and return. In turning south, the pilot made a serious navigational error which carried him over Soviet territory. He immediately made an emergency call on open radio for navigational assistance and was guided back to his home base by the most direct route. I regret this incident and will see to it that every precaution is taken to prevent recurrence.

Mr. Chairman, both of our countries have great unfinished tasks and I know that your people as well as those of the United States can ask for nothing better than to pursue them free from the fear of war. Modern science and technology have given us the possibility of making labor fruitful beyond anything that could have been dreamed of a few decades ago.

I agree with you that we must devote urgent attention to the problem of disarmament, as it relates to the whole world and also to critical areas. Perhaps now, as we step back from danger, we can together make real progress n this vital field. I think we should give priority to questions relating to the proliferation of nuclear weapons, on earth and in outer space, and to the great effort for a nuclear test ban. But we should also work hard to see if wider measures of disarmament can be agreed and put into operation at an early date. The United States Government will be prepared to discuss these questions urgently, and in a constructive spirit, at Geneva or elsewhere.

/s/ John F. Kennedy

Source: The President Wants to Know:Memos from the Presidents Office, 1961-1963 selected and edited by Edward B. Claflin, pp. 211-212Morrow, 1991.



I always have wondered if that Air Force pilot was under orders from a certain SAC general to stray over Soviet airspace.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:00 PM
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54. delete
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 06:01 PM by Cleita
Answered wrong post.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:45 AM
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2. Evil Vile Creatures
Pure filth.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 01:07 AM
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5. W Bragged Poppy was CIA in 1973, Two Years BEFORE Poppy was DCI.
If regular folks' eyes bug out when they learn this news, Binka, I can only imagine what it does to freepers' heads. I'd LOL, but there's nothing funny about the assassination of President Kennedy. All he did as President was work to make this a better country for ALL Americans and worked to keep the world at peace.

To those who say Poppy Bush only became "officially" involved with the CIA when appointed Director of Central Intelligence by appointed President Gerald R Ford (the only surviving member of the Warren Commission), read this from a woman whose late husband, a TANG buddy of "Lt." George W Bush, said people didn't know much about the Bushes in 1973, but people did know ONE important thing:

W Was Connected



Fear of Flying: A Duval County Woman Says Nerves Ended W's National Guard Service In Texas

by Susan Cooper Eastman

EXCERPT...

For Linke, W's auxiliary service has become a very personal flashpoint. Linke's husband died while serving in the Texas Guard in 1973 after drinking at the officer's club. He nodded off at the wheel, drove into a lake and drowned. Linke was 27 years old with a 3-year-old son. She didn't know much about who W was then; his family was not on the national radar. "We were told his father was very wealthy Texan with CIA connections."

SOURCE:

http://www.legitgov.org/essay_eastman_bush_fear_of_flyi...



So, it appears W bragged about his Daddy bein' CIA in 1973.

That would make Poppy a perjurer when he told Congress he was never in the CIA before becoming Director of Central Intelligence.

Gee. Wonder what else he's lied about?

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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 02:09 AM
Response to Reply #5
10. Kennedy Assassination: One of my earliest childhood memories
I was two months shy of 4 years old the day my parents
came into me and my brother's room at the crack of dawn.
They were both crying as they woke us and
said,
"Some one has shot President Kennedy...our President is dead."

I will never forget that day.
Even though I was too young to understand what had happened,
I was completely devastated by the fact that
both my parents were crying and it scared me intuitively.

Little did I know where it was all heading from that day forth.
GOD DAMN the BUSH CLAN.
EVIL, EVIL mother fuckers that they are.
BHN
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:57 AM
Response to Reply #10
24. Where were you?
(You must have been overseas if it was the crack of dawn)
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 01:16 AM
Response to Reply #24
84. Terre Haute, Indiana
so no, not overseas.
I do not know how many hours had passed,
I just remember them (my parents) waking
us up with the news and how upset my brother
and I were because my parents were so upset...
BHN
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:11 AM
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32. 8th grade english class, remember it like it was yesterday
seen the Oswald killing live on the teevee. We were sent home from school immediately
It was truly a sad day for all of America.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-28-06 10:37 PM
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141. mine as well
I don't exactly remember the details, except that Grandma was really upset and that we watched all the coverage (afterwards) on TV. I was only 5, and still remember seeing John-John saluting as his father's coffin went by. Still makes me cry. Even though I was small, I could sense something had changed in the world, and that a sense of hope had died that day in Dallas.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:50 AM
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3. Of course he was
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 12:50 AM by seemslikeadream
Michael Beschloss says Barb and jr. were there for sure, he'd want to be with his family on such an important day wouldn't he?


Kitty Kelley's recent book: "The Family" she cites talks about Poppy as CIA director. (page 347)


....In one memo, dated September 15,1976, he asked his deputy director to look into the news accounts that linked Lee Harvey Oswald's assailant, Jack Ruby to the mobster Santos Trafficante. Bush wrote: "A recent Jack Anderson story referred to a November 1963 CIA cable, the subject matter of which had some UK journalist observing Jack Ruby visiting Trafficante in jail (in Cuba). Is there such a cable? If so, I would like to see it". .....

Still another memo, dated October 4, 1976, concerned an article say-ing that contrary to sworn testimony by Richard Helms, there was a CIA document that indicated a low-level CIA official had once considered using Oswald as a source of intelligence information about the Soviet Union. George wrote: "Will this cause problems for Helms?

Years later, when George became President of the United States, he would deny making any attempt to review the agency files on the JFK assassination. When he made this claim, he did not realize that the agency would release eighteen documents "in full" and "in part" that showed he had indeed, as CIA director, requested information--not once but several times--on a wide range of questions surrounding the Kennedy assassination.....


Why would Poppy lie about reviewing the agency files in the JFK assasination?
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laundry_queen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 01:12 AM
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7. Kitty Kelley's book is where I learned a lot....
about the BFEE. It explains a lot and leaves even more questions unanswered.
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shooga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 10:37 PM
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103. "DALLAS" 1963 is where
Poppy and Tricky Dick "made their bones".


http://formenonly.tripod.com/spidersweb.html

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 01:13 AM
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8. ''Why'' is a question that real reporters ask.
Maybe Poppy Bush lied about the files because he didnt want anyone to notice that they were now gone.

Of course, there were a lot of incidents during the assassination that received very little investigation.



THE MAN WHO WASN'T THERE,

WAS THERE

PHONY SECRET SERVICE AGENTS IN DEALEY PLAZA


Michael T. Griffith
1996@All Rights Reserved

Some witnesses said they encountered Secret Service agent in Dealey Plaza moments after the assassination. These reports continue to be the subject of much controversy. Why? Because it has long been established that no genuine Secret Service agents on the ground in Dealey Plaza until later that afternoon. This fact suggests phony Secret Service agents were in Dealey Plaza, and that they were there to help the assassins escape. David Scheim(1) summarizes:

    "After the shooting, Dallas Police officer Joe M. Smith encountered another suspicious man in the lot behind the picket fence . Smith told the Warren Commission that when he drew his pistol and approached the man, the man "showed that he was a Secret Service agent."


Another witness also reported encountering a man who displayed a badge and identified himself as a Secret Service agent. But according to Secret Service Chief James Rowley and agents at the scene, all Secret Service personnel stayed with the motorcade, as required by regulations, and none was stationed in the railroad parking lot . It thus appeared that someone was carrying fraudulent Secret Service credentials--of no perceptible use to anyone but an escaping assassin. (Scheim 30-31)

Not only were there no Secret Service (SS) agents stationed on or behind the grassy knoll, but there were no FBI or other federal agents stationed there either. Officer Smith was not the only witness who encountered an apparently phony federal agent. Malcolm Summers ran to the knoll moments after the shooting. He related the following in the 1988 documentary Who Murdered JFK?:

    "I ran across the--Elm Street to right there toward the knoll. It was there --and we were stopped by a man in a suit and he had an overcoat--over his arm and he, he, I saw a gun under that overcoat. And he--his comment was, "Don't you all come up here any further, you could get shot, or killed," one of those words. A few months later, they told me they didn't have an FBI man in that area. If they didn't have anybody, it's a good question who it was. " (Anderson 14)

    "Don't you all come up here any further, you could get shot, or killed..." --- the mystery SS Agent


http://www.jfklancer.com/ManWho.html



"Who" is another one...



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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 01:56 AM
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9. People with fraudulent SS IDs?
No way dude. That would never happen, nosiree, not then, and not during W's campaign and town hall meetings.

-Hoot

Oh, :/
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 02:24 PM
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42. It may be worse. There may've been SS behind the TSBD.
One police officer reported running into "well armed" men behind the Texas School Book Depository a minute after the assassination. Whether they were real or phony, we should find out.



THE MAN WHO WASN'T THERE,

WAS THERE

PHONY SECRET SERVICE AGENTS IN DEALEY PLAZA


Michael T. Griffith

EXCERPT...

Often overlooked in discussions on phony SS agents in Dealey Plaza is the disturbing account of Sergeant D. V. Harkness, (Posner, for example, does not even mention it.). Sergeant Harkness went to the REAR of the Texas School Book Depository Building within a few minutes of the assassination. When he arrived there, he encountered several "well-armed" men dressed in suits. These "well-armed" men TOLD Harkness they were SS agents (Hurt 110-111). It's not hard to understand why the presence of the armed, well-dressed men at the rear of the Book Depository did not make Harkness suspicious. Police officers were beginning to seal off the area, and just six minutes after the shooting Harkness himself identified the Depository over the radio as a possible source of gunfire. The problem, of course, is that the men encountered by Harkness could not have been legitimate SS agents, nor is it credible to suggest that Harkness somehow "misunderstood" what they said to him.

Source: http://www.jfklancer.com/ManWho.html



Why wasn't this investigated fully at the time?

Doubt this smirking turd has any interest in investigating an unsolved assassination:
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:49 PM
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59. Speak TRUTH Octafish! Speak!

I always look forward to your TRUTH post.

Poppy is always in the middle.

Michael Moore said it best in his movie when Poppy was meeting with the Saudi Royals ~ I can't remember the exact quote but it was something like, " Why is GHWB here and WHO is he representing."


Poppy is running this government IMO, not Rove, certainly not Idiot Kid, it's Poppy!

He has been planning since before JFK for the take over of the NeoCONS and he did it.


Thank you a thousand times for bringing this to light.

It is uplifting that finally more than those of us with little hats are listening. :hi:
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:34 PM
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64. I posted this link previously in the recent "Shadow Government" thread....

It's an interview given by Bill White to the CBC which is quite informative about the Bush family relationship with the Saudis and their motives:

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/white.pdf

This could reflect a turning point where the priorities of the shadow government, representing the globalist energy monopolies, have turned against those of America. Not only is Bush, Jr. incapable of representing the interests of securing America, he may be in an extremely dangerous position of blackmail. At this point, he may be placing the safety and security of his immediate interests above those of the US.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #64
67. Bill White's attorney vs James R Bath was John "Smear Boat" O'Neill.
Dallas. BCCI. Selection 2000. They are all connected.

Case in point: The bad John O'Neill got his start going up against the war hero John Kerry in the early 70s also pops up in the BCCI-bin Mahfouz-Laden-James R Bath part of the BFEE story. In Bill White's law suit against James R Bath (Reppin' the Houses of bin Laden, bin Mahfouz and bin Bush), John O'Neill kept telling Bill White that they had made their case against the judge and that he knew the judge and that the judge would rule in their favor. Never happened. Wonder if White suspected at the time his attorney -- John "Smear Boat" O'Neill -- haad greased the case FOR his opponent was connected to the BFEE?

From the CBC interview:



HE QUOTES THE NAME OF GEORGE BUSH

Oh absolutely.

SENIOR OR JUNIOR?

Senior. He said that he would call the politically appointed Judges and I would never get due process. And that really is what motivated me to fight the fight in the courts. I couldnt believe in the aftermath of all of us risking our lives fighting for the system that we could be denied our rights of due process under law. I just couldnt believe that. Unfortunately I thought it was a bluff, but it turned out to be true because what he predicted is precisely what happened. I thought it was Bath who was blowing smoke so I resisted and I said: Jim, Im not going to sue you, Im not going to go report these Saudi dealings to the DAs Office. I just dont want to be in Business with you anymore. Then I called my Attorney and I didnt instruct him to file a lawsuit. I said please look at our Partnership agreement and find out how I can become a Businessman independent of Jim Bath. I just dont want to be involved in all this. Well, I never had that luxury because Bath and the Bank that was laundering the Saudi money inundated me in lawsuits. I had four criminal chargesand I think twenty-eight lawsuits that were filed against me concurrently. And it just dominated my life. Fortunately I was able to get legal representation. The best lawyers in Houston took up my case on a contingency fee basis. They filed counter claims against Bath alleging Saudi influence peddling with the Bush family, although in retrospect when I read my own legal pleadings, the lawyers were very careful to remove a lot of the references to the threats and avoided using the Bin Laden,the Bin Mahfouz the Bush name. And I would ask my own lawyers, why arent you stating succinctly the nature of the Baths threat?. And theyd say: Well Bill, you know we dont want to make the Judges angry. We have to be very careful.

AND IT WASNT THAT THEY DIDNT BELIEVE THOSE LINKS WERE TRUE, IT WAS JUST THE OPPOSITE. THEY BELIEVED THEM ?

They believed the links to be true. Theyre afraid of backlash from the Judges. One of my many Lawyers, John ONeill of Porter and Clements, was actually the campaign manager of one of the Republican judges who poured me out every case - Judge Lewis Moore,. And when John found out that my case was assigned to Judge Moore he said: Bill, weve got this case made-in-the-shade. He said: This guy - Im his campaign manager. I raise funds for his reelection. No problem. And then wed get into the courtroom and be poured out without a trial. And John would shake his head and comment: The Judge must have gone crazy. I cant believe it, hes never treated me this way.

SNIP...

WHEN GEORGE BUSH SENIOR WAS REPLACED AS DIRECTOR OF THE CIA, WHERE DID HE GO?

He came to Houston where he became affiliated with a Bank in Houston called FIB, First International Bank. And that was the bank that Bath used to deposit the Saudi money. Thats where the Bin Laden revolving line of credit was. The name changed in 1980 to InterFirst Bank from FIB but it was the same bank.

AND YOU SAY HE WAS CONNECTED WITH THIS BANK. WHAT WAS GEORGE BUSH SENIORS INTEREST? He was Chairman of the Executive Committee of the Bank. SO THATS MORE THAN CONNECTED.

Well, more than connected. Yes.

FUNDAMENTAL ROLE.

He was the principal player. This is no coincidence at all. This is all arranged. It was all arranged at the time that Bush made his quid pro quo relationship with the Saudis.

SO NO COINCIDENCE AS FAR AS YOURE CONCERNED THAT THE SAUDI MONEY AND THE MONEY THAT BATHS DOING BUSINESS WITH, ENDS UP AT GEORGE BUSH SENIORS BANK?

No this is no coincidence at all. This is all arranged. It was all arranged at the time that Bush made his quid pro quo relationship with the Saudis. My understanding of it is that Bath represented the Bush interests and Bin Laden/Bin Mahfouz interchangeably represented the Saudi Royal Family interests. People who have tried to villify the Bin Laden family or the Bin Mahfouz family fail to realize that the Saudis have a very patriarchal society and that according to Bath, neither of those families sneeze without the Saudi Royals blessing. I mean everything they do is at the beholding at the Saudi Royal Family. As a matter of fact, Bin Mahfouz Bank NCB is the only Bank that was not nationalized in Saudi Arabia. All the rest of the Banks were nationalized in 1974 except National Commercial Bank (NCB) which is privately owned by Bin Mahfouz. Thats where the Saudi Royals keep all their personal money.

CONTINUED...

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:JkjMbciHAlgJ:www.cb...

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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:16 AM
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76. BINGO! thanks nt
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 02:19 AM
Response to Reply #8
11. I'd LOVE to hear from Helen Thomas on this...
...don't you just wonder what she knows?
My secret fantasy is that she will tell all
someday- you KNOW she knows far more than she
has told.
Maybe she has a plan to sink the Bush dynasty
after her death?
I hate to be morbid, but the fact is, she is quite elderly
and wont be with us forever- and I'm sure she doesn't
want to be Wellstoned before her time.
I just love to think that she will have the last word where
BushInc. is concerned...
BHN
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 03:08 PM
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44. Helen Thomas said President Kennedy was her favorite President.
Kennedy worked to keep the world at peace and to make life better for ALL Americans.

That's what good Democrats do.



Press icon candid in talk at IUSB

Helen Thomas aims barbs at Bush and media, too


May 24, 2005 - South Bend Tribune

EXCERPT...

Her favorite president remains John F. Kennedy.

"He told us to reach for the stars. He gave us hope of a better world," she said. Kennedy signed the first nuclear test ban treaty, created the Peace Corps and correctly declared the United States would land a man on the moon within a decade.

When an audience member noted Kennedy's habit of deflecting questions at press conferences, Thomas said she was impressed that he took a strong stand on many things, including war and peace.

"Believe me, he's Einstein compared to what we have today," she said to a burst of audience laughter and applause.

CONTINUED...

http://peacecorpsonline.org/messages/messages/2629/2032...



I love Helen Thomas.



'First Lady of the Press' speaks at Marshall

EXCERPT...

"Kennedy was my favorite president because he was the most inspired," Thomas said. "He had hope for a better world because he thought that all things were possible."

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AI...



Wish we had more real journalists.

More people would know we need real leaders.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:14 AM
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33. so that explains the interest of late in Jack Anderson
hummmm
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:40 PM
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50. PCG and the Taking of America, 1-2-3.
A few intrepid reporters recently indicated that the Bush-Dallas connection was why the FBI tore through Jack Anderson's papers, hours after the great journalist's passing.

Here's some background as to what Mr. Anderson might've known about the "Power Control Group" and the assassination:



THE TAKING OF AMERICA, 1-2-3

by Richard E. Sprague

Chapter 12

EXCERPT...

So, a good second line of defense story was needed. It had to be one that the House and Senate and Schweiker, Church, Downing and hopefully Gonzalez would buy. It had to be one which could be created out of existing facts and then shored up by planted evidence, faked records, dependable witnesses lying under oath, and once again, the control and use of the media. The "Castro did it in revenge" story met these requirements. The media had already helped to some extent by publishing information from Jack Anderson, Lyndon B. Johnson and others about Castro's turning around various CIA agents or sending agents of his own, including Oswald, to assassinate JFK. Perhaps even more importantly, Senator Schweiker said he believed Castro might have been behind the assassination and that this possibility should be investigated.

The Castro story strategy was implemented in 1975. Gradually at first, a story appeared here or there in the press about the assassins assigned to kill Castro. Then the media began to reprint the Jack Anderson story about Castro's turning around of some of these agents. New authors of the story appeared. Anderson's original story seemed to be forgotten. These articles never seemed to have an identifiable source or any proof. Hank Greenspun of the Las Vegas newspaper circuit and the man involved with Howard Hughes, Larry O'Brien, released a story to the Chicago Tribune. He said his information came from reliable sources.

The momentum began to build. More and more "leaked" information about Castro and assassins and Oswald being a pro-Castroite hit the establishment media. The stories and the sequence of events began to be predictable, if a researcher had understood the PCG and their fight for survival in 1975 and 1976. Then the Church committee and the Schweiker sub-committee issued statements that they were going to investigate the "Castro did it" theory. The PCG began feeding them information in various forms and various ways that would back up the idea. The JFK sex scandal was released by Judith Exner. The PCG provided her with an incentive to spice up the "Castro did it" theory with a little sex involving JFK and one of the assassins assigned to Castro, John Roselli.

The PCG realized they had the double advantage of drawing attention to Roselli and Castro and the turn-around assassin idea, while at the same time gnawing away at JFK's image. There was press speculation that Exner was a Mafia plant in the White House to find out how much JFK knew about the Castro assassination plans. Since Frank Sinatra had introduced Judith to both JFK and Roselli, there was speculation about Sinatra's Mafia friends linked to the rat pack, to Peter Lawford, to JFK's sister and to JFK himself. All of this was meat for the PCG's grinder. It certainly drew Schweiker's attention away from Helms, Hunt, Gabaldin, Shaw, Ferrie, Seymour and all of the other operatives involved in JFK's murder. In fact, the Schweiker staff, which had the names and locations of several participants and witnesses that could pinpoint the Helms-Hunt-Shaw-Gabaldin group as the real assassins as early as September, 1975 did not interview more than one or two of them and did not follow up on the rest at all. Their attention was diverted by the second line of defense strategy and they were also influenced by infiltration by the PCG.

CONTINUED...

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ToA/ToAchp12.html



Complete book, online:

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ToA/ToA.html#TOC

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 03:57 PM
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46. And this is the type of REAL story that goes undiscussed by corpmedia that
lives in service to BushInc and its agenda.

They don't care one whit about documentation or audotapes, their first job is to protect the Bush family, and ignoring real evidence and facts is no longer the concern of the media.

Wanna bet that it's the BFEE who tried to take possession of all Anderson's documents after he died? That was Mueller, the BFEE cleanup man, no doubt.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 04:40 PM
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47. Senators seek answers in probe of reporter
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 03:10 AM
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12. If you like George I info...Check this out...


Before Andy (Stephensen, invenerate DUer) died he was greatly interested in this whole miasma and how it relates to Jeff Gannon (or whatever his real name is/was). The connections between George 1 and George II. About the same underground cabal that existed in the 70s and still does to this day.

About the strange connections back to Nebraska and a pedafile ring and a scandal and an S&L that raped investors. About wealthy people in Omaha/Chicago/DC/Houston/Dallas/New Orleans and beyond. George the First is named. It's a good read, if nothing else, and still available on Amazon.

As an interesting side note, DeCamp, the author, is a life long Republican, former state senator, now fears for his life. The BBC was shooting a doc on the subject when suddenly the project was quashed. About a week before it was to air, all the prints of the doc were pulled and ordered to be destroyed. A rough cut of the film survives can be found on the internet. The rough cut was delivered on DeCamp's door anonomously and somehow got on the internet. (Hmmm, maybe DeCamp made it public?) Thank god for a free internet.

Just google: Franklin Cover-Up, 'Conspiracy of Silence'

Or if you are a real masochist, look up the "wrinkes" on DU: Go to Demopedia...

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Ga...

and spend several hours wandering around.

Some of us here think that there is something there. Something fishy. Some don't. The problem is making all the connections work. Andy was on to something, but he got sick and later died. (Anolther story.)

Suss it out if you like. You may come up with nothing. But, for me, something is rotton.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:43 AM
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29. Wasn't There Something About george I, reagan, & Hinkley?
Like maybe georgie I wanted reagan out of the way so HE could be president? :tinfoilhat:
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:28 AM
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38. Hinckley's father was a Texas oil buddy with GHWB and had contributed
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 11:30 AM by WiseButAngrySara
to at least one of his campaigns,IIRC. And one of the B*'s sons (not George or Jeb) was to have dinner with Hinckley's other brother right after the assassination attempt. The media was and remains mum about this! The Catcher in the Rye I think is some sort of CIA ? code? One of 2 books that GHWB mentioned when asked what his favorites were, was CITR! And the author Salinger had some sort of past connection with the CIA, like Woodward. I've always suspected that there is so much here... but how to fit the pieces together?
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 12:45 PM
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114. Neil Bush was the brother planning to dine with Hinckley's brother....
That's Neil "Silverado" Bush--who cost the American taxpayer $1 Billion.

His latest "project" is Ignite! Learning--dumbed down educational software. Ma Bush's donation to the Clinton/Bush Katrina fund was earmarked for education. Specifically--to purchase Neilsie's software package for schools stressed by the storm and/or refugee kids.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:28 PM
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57. Rev Moon's Washington Times, of all papers, was on to the story...


Why this story didn't get more coverage is just one of those things a Free Press would want the American people to know.

I feel sorry for the lawyer and his young son who perished in the investigation.

BTW: The above is a different "Franklin Scandal" from one currently in the news. Nowadays, a Pentagon official pled guilty to passing classified documents.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:21 PM
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60. Somehow it all seems to tie in...
It's some scary shit!
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kilgore65 Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:58 PM
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145. I can easily see Bush 1 as a child molester....
the Bush's have no regard for human life. It is well documented that he referred to US troops as "canon fodder units" or some such nonsense...
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 03:17 AM
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13. H.L. Hunt, the guy with many motives and connections
Was that meeting with all them folks the night before in Dallas ever confirmed? Pulling together many collaborators should have been a no-brainer for the oil folk of Texas :shrug:

Seems to me a lot of them people would have wanted JFK dead, after all he was threatening their wealth.

H.L.Hunt

Haroldson Lafayette Hunt was born in Fayette County, Illinois, on 17th February, 1889. After a brief formal education he went travelling. In 1912 he settled in Arkansas, where he ran a cotton plantation.
(snip)
Some conspiracy theorists believe that Hunt was involved in the death of President John F. Kennedy. It was claimed that the day before the assassination, Jim Brading visited Hunt in his office in Dallas. Brading had links to Carlos Marcello, another figure suspected of being involved in the killing. Brading was arrested in the Dal-Tex building in the Dealey Plaza soon after the assassination took place, but was released soon afterwards.

Madeleine Brown later gave an interview on the television show, A Current Affair where she claimed that on the 21st November, 1963, she was at the home of Clint Murchison. Others at the meeting included Hunt, J. Edgar Hoover, Clyde Tolson, John J. McCloy and Richard Nixon. At the end of the evening Lyndon B. Johnson arrived. Brown said in this interview: "Tension filled the room upon his arrival. The group immediately went behind closed doors. A short time later Lyndon, anxious and red-faced, reappeared. I knew how secretly Lyndon operated. Therefore I said nothing... not even that I was happy to see him. Squeezing my hand so hard, it felt crushed from the pressure, he spoke with a grating whisper, a quiet growl, into my ear, not a love message, but one I'll always remember: "After tomorrow those goddamn Kennedys will never embarrass me again - that's no threat - that's a promise."

Brown's account was supported by former CIA agent Robert D. Morrow who wrote in the book, First Hand Knowledge: How I participated in the CIA-Murder of President Kennedy, "On the eve of the assassination, Hoover and Nixon attended a meeting together at the Dallas home of oil baron Clint Murchison. Among the subjects discussed at this meeting were the political futures of Hoover and Nixon in the event President Kennedy was assassinated."
(snip)
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKhuntHL.htm
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:31 PM
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63. The Assassination of John F. Kennedy as Coup D'Etat
Hunt and at least one of his sons (Nelson Bunker Hunt has been named as the guy behind the infamous "Wanted" flyer" distributed in Dallas the morning of the assassination) and many of the ber-rich turdballs of America thought Kennedy to be a traitor to his class.



If I had to take the choice of what to betray, I know you and me'd choose "class" before "country."

Here's an excellent analysis of the assassination:



The Assassination of John F. Kennedy as Coup D'Etat

by Christopher Sharrett

It occurs to me that two lines of discourse currently affect public understanding of the John Kennedy assassination. Both narratives obscure the reality of the assassination as a state crime carried out by the official enforcement apparatus, a coup d'etat.

SNIP...

Let me make it country simple. The evidence in the assassination of John Kennedy was taken control of and represented to the public by those sectors of state and private power that despised Kennedy and his policies, and who saw them as representative of a long-term trend within the state to avoid the direct military interventionism that would be a great boon to many components of American capital. It is true that Mafia types and various exile groupings appear within the assassination scenario. These same groups appear within Watergate and Iran/Contra. Does appreciating the presence of these groups go very far in aiding our understanding of these events as state crimes, in fact as crimes against the Constitution and the people of the U.S. carried out by state authority? Does the presence of these groups make these crimes other than state crimes? More important, would the American media and much of officialdom continue to attempt to bolster the various official narratives as a favor to the Mafia and some Cuban exiles? Would they do this to prevent a member of the Kennedy clan, or Allen Dulles or J. Edgar Hoover, from being "embarrassed"? Would they do this to prevent hostile relations with other lands, even years after the collapse of the Soviet Union? Many critics suggest that data long in the hands of researchers, such as the Joseph Milteer tapes, point to the source of the plot within crazed rightist groupings. Did not the federal authorities have access to these tapes many years ago? Were they attempting to assist a southern racist group by hiding Milteer's connections to the assassination? I suggest that these provocative tapes, which have been ensconced in the public imagination as symbols of the plot, were another small attempt to divert public attention from the state's implication in the assassination.

I would hope that eventually we would have no more talk of Shadow Governments and Cabals. The invisible government discussed by various researchers is no more invisible than our political-economic system. This system is synonymous with the postwar national security state. Kennedy was killed when he became a flashpoint for a debate that began immediately with the creation of this state. The Great Depression brought U.S. capitalism to its knees; this terrible economic collapse was halted only by the wartime military build-up. The collapse threatened an immediate return after the war, and was prevented by the government's hooking the economy to military production. The public was forced to subsidize the biggest military expansion in history as corporations began to depend on public revenue for their survival. Many within state power saw the potential problems of the new "Pentagon system." Senator Arthur Vandenberg told President Harry Truman: "You are going to have to scare the hell out of the public" in order for them to accept a huge increase in taxes, and an economic system that would give extraordinary authority to the military and the intelligence agencies, who soon became essentially lobbyists for sectors of capital involved in military production. Indeed, fear became the currency of the national security state. Although the Soviet Union suffered twenty-seven million dead in World War II, with most of its major cities and industrial plant destroyed, the American public coughed up billions of dollars to support the U.S. "free enterprise" system and its expansionist aims, as public programs soon went begging.

Cold War propaganda gave legitimacy to the national security state, although debate raged on within state and private power against the backdrop of the sleepy fifties.22 Many felt that the creation of the "garrison state" would bring about an enormous deficit and weaken us in relation to our Western capitalist rivals. Kennedy was not the first victim of the fierce internecine battles that began almost immediately with the creation of the national security state. Secretary of Defense James V. Forrestal became a victim in 1949 of what was referred to as "the revolt of the admirals." As each sector of the military fought over their share of public revenues, with the Joint Chiefs "at each other's throat" in a climate of unbridled avarice, Forrestal attempted at least to inject a note of civility as the military sensed its unprecedented authority. Forrestal was eventually "ground down by the bickering and backstabbing in the Pentagon." He was "under constant attack from the admirals and generals he supposedly commanded." The national security state's lapdogs in the press, including Walter Winchell and Drew Pearson, ridiculed Forrestal, terming him a "liar and a coward."23 Forrestal suffered a nervous breakdown and eventually committed suicide.

Like many in the previous administration, Eisenhower faced problems in reigning in the national security state. Long before he spoke of the "military-industrial complex," Eisenhower warned America and the world "humanity was hanging from a cross of iron." He stated that "every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired," represented "a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."24

SOURCE:

http://home.earthlink.net/~jkelin1/coup.html



Well, we know who has paid the price since November 22, 1963 and who hasn't.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:48 AM
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80. "......fear became the currency of the national security state". America
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 12:55 AM by oasis
seems to be headed down that path again.

Thanks Octafish for helping to keep the light of truth burning with your informative contributions.

:thumbsup:
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 03:19 AM
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88. Excellent article...
this summarizes better than anything why the Democratic party should not be endorsing anything like the neoconservative agenda.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 03:30 AM
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14. Here's my attempt to help with this subject
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 04:12 AM by MagickMuffin
If no one here has read Kevin Phillips book "American Dynasty, Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush" I would suggest doing so. Kevin Phillips who like John Dean is a TRUE Conservtive has the history of the Bush Empire going back a few generations.

From the book Phillips spells out a lot about the Cuba connection to the Walker-Bush family. It appears that the family had quite a bit of business down there. Sugar, Rum, and Railroads.

page 203:

In the 1930s and 1940s, young Bush (Poppy) favorite uncle George Walker Jr. (Herbie) took over directorship of several of these Cuban-Dominican sugar companies, which ultimately merged into West Indies Sugar in 1942. It is not hard to imagine the young GHW Bush picking up from his grandfather and uncle alike a romantic sugar plantation, rum, and palm trees image of the heavily policed, old regime Cuba of Fulgencio Batista.

His uncle would have been angery in 1959, when the new leftist Castro regime that it would nationalize the holdings of the US sugar trade. Castro had launched his revolution several years earlier in eastern Cuba's sugar and rum centered Oriente Province, and some of the American owners of sugar mills and estates had contributed funds in the hope of moderating his movement. Oriente-based West Indies Sugar had been a particular target of rebel levies and depredations. Coincidentally, 1959 was the year when Uncle Herbie help to finance the reorganization of Zapata by which the offshore drilling rigs at least one operating near Cuba became independent under Walker-Bush control.

Uncle Herbie must have been even angier in 1960 when Castro nationalized the West Indies Sugar Company, of which be had been a director until 1959.


On edit below:
Son of a Bitch, somehow everything else I had type disappeared before I was finished posting. :grr:

If anyone is interested in the rest of this important history I will try to repost it later. Should have known better and published within my Journler program. Perhaps I will do that then repost what got deleted.

second edit to add text box


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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 04:11 AM
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15. Here's the rest of the post that got deleted:
Uncle Herbie must have been even angrier in 1960 when Castro nationalized the West Indies Sugar Company, of which be had been a director until 1959. Infuriated by Castro's sugar estate seizures, the US government withdrew its recognition of Cuba and launched an economic embargo in January 1961. three months later came the Bay of Pigs invasion.

Grandfather Walker died in 1953, but Prescott Bush, too, had a considerable psychological involvement with Cuba, its politics, and its importance to the US. The events of the late 1950s and 1960s would make the commitments of both Prescott and GHW Bush stand out in bold relief, Cuba's fate would be personal as well as professional preoccupation. Old Batista-era loyalties would linger (even into the 21st century, when Florida governor Jeb Bush would nominate Batista's grandson, Raul Cantero to the state supreme court).


I thought this info was very interesting, because I had never heard about it before. I have known about most of the info from the OP. Everyone who is interested in BFEE, should read Phillips book. He does an excellent job in documenting the BFEEs family history into War Profiteering, Finances, and the oil industry.


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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:39 PM
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61. Thank you for your posts. I was not familiar with the bfee connection
to the sugar industry in Cuba.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:36 PM
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65. Here's some more info for ya from Bush Watch;-P
It is my belief that Poppy was involved in setting up the anti-Castro Cuban group within Florida. He had the means and motives. After all Castro was infringing on their family fortunes. Besides the sugar industry there was also the rum and their oil business.


BUSH FAMILY MACHINATIONS, 1918-2000
1918 Prescott Bush Sr., leads a raid on a Indian tomb to secure Geronimo's skull for Skull & Bones.

1937 Prescott Bush's investment firm sets up deal for the Luftwaffe so it can obtain tetraethyl lead.

1942 Three firms with which Prescott Bush is associated are seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act.

1953 George Bush and the Liedtke brothers form Zapata Petroleum. Zapata's subsidiary, Zapata Offshore, later becomes known for its close ties to the CIA.

1954 The Bush family buys out the Liedtke brothers.

1955 George Bush sets up a Mexican drilling operation, Permago, with a frontman to obscure his ownership. The frontman later is convicted of defrauding the Mexican government of $58 million.

1959 Manuel Noriega recruited as an agent by the US Defense Intelligence Agency.

1960 Some investigators believe George Bush spent part of this year and the next in Miami on behalf of the CIA, organizing rightwing exiles for an invasion of Cuba. Is said to have worked with later Iran-Contra figure Felix Rodriguez.

1961 According to the Realist, CIA official Fletcher Prouty delivers three Navy ships to agents in Guatemala to be used in the Bay of Pigs invasion. Prouty claims he delivered the ships to a CIA agent named George Bush. Agent Bush named the ships the Barbara, Houston and Zapata.
Bay of Pigs invasion fails. Right-wingers blame Kennedy for failure to provide air cover. CIA loses 15 men, another 1100 are imprisoned.
George Bush invites Rep. TL. Ashley -- a fellow Skull & Boner -- down to Texas for a party in order to meet "an attractive girl." Bush writes that "she may be accompanied by an Austrian ski instructor but I think we can probably flush him at the local dance hall." Bush notes that he's had to unlist his phone because "Jane Morgan keeps calling me all the time."
Zapata annual report boasts that the company has paid no taxes since it was founded.

1963 John F. Kennedy is assassinated. Internal FBI memo reports that on November 22 "reputable businessman" George H. W. Bush reported hearsay that a certain Young Republican "has been talking of killing the president when he comes to Houston." The Young Republican was nowhere near Dallas on that date.
According to a 1988 story in The Nation, a memo from J. Edgar Hoover states that "Mr. George Bush of the CIA" had been briefed on November 23rd, 1963 about the reaction of anti-Castro Cuban exiles in Miami to the assassination of President Kennedy. George says it ain't him, admits he was in Texas but can't remember where.

http://www.bushwatch.com/family.htm


more history at link above


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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:27 PM
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69. Phillips pegged the Bushes. They go where the money is.
In the 50s and 60s, when the going was good in Cuba, they were there ripping off the camposinos chopping sugar for a nickel a day. Their fascist and mafia friends were likewise enjoying using Cuba for fun and profit.



Today the turds go where the profit oozes out of the bloodied ground.



The Barreling Bushes

By: Kevin Phillips

EXCERPT...

George H.W. Bush was the first CIA director to come from the oil industry. He went on to became the first vice president and then the first president to have either an oil or CIA background. This helps to explain his persistent bent toward the Middle East, covert operations and rogue banks like the Abu Dhabi-based Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), which came to be known by the nickname "Bank of Crooks and Criminals International." In each of the government offices he held, he encouraged CIA involvement in Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan and other Middle Eastern countries, and he pursued policies that helped make the Middle East into the world's primary destination for arms shipments.

Taking the CIA helm in January 1976, Bush cemented strong relations with the intelligence services of both Saudi Arabia and the shah of Iran. He worked closely with Kamal Adham, the head of Saudi intelligence, brother-in-law of King Faisal and an early BCCI insider. After leaving the CIA in January 1977, Bush became chairman of the executive committee of First International Bancshares and its British subsidiary, where, according to journalists Peter Truell and Larry Gurwin in their 1992 book "False Profits," Bush "traveled on the bank's behalf and sometimes marketed to international banks in London, including several Middle Eastern institutions."

Once in the White House, first as vice president to Ronald Reagan and later as president, George H.W. Bush was linked to at least two Middle East-centered scandals. It's never been entirely clear what Bush's connection was to the Iran-Contra affair, in which clandestine arms shipments to Iran, some BCCI-financed, helped illegally fund the operations of the anti-Sandinista Contra rebels in Nicaragua. But in 1992, special prosecutor Lawrence E. Walsh asserted that Bush, despite his protestations, had indeed been "in the loop" on multiple illegal acts.

Much clearer was Bush's pivotal role, both as vice president and president, in "Iraqgate," the hidden aid provided by the U.S. and its military to Saddam Hussein's Iraq in its high-stakes war with Iran during the 1980s. The U.S. is known to have provided both biological cultures that could have been used for weapons and nuclear know-how to the regime, as well as conventional weapons. As ABC-TV broadcaster Ted Koppel put it in a June 1992 "Nightline" program after the 1991 Persian Gulf War: "It is becoming increasingly clear that George Bush, operating largely behind the scenes through the 1980s, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into the aggressive power that the United States ultimately had to destroy."

During these years, Bush's four sons George W., Jeb, Neil and Marvin were following in the family footsteps, lining up business deals with Saudi, Kuwaiti and Bahraini moneymen and cozying up to BCCI. The Middle East was becoming a convenient family money spigot.

Eldest son George W. Bush made his first Middle East connection in the late 1970s with James Bath, a Texas businessmen who served as the North American representative for two rich Saudis (and Osama bin Laden relatives) billionaire Salem bin Laden and banker and BCCI insider Khalid bin Mahfouz. Bath put $50,000 into Bush's 1979 Arbusto oil partnership, probably using Bin Laden-Bin Mahfouz funds.

CONTINUED...

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0111-01.htm



Thank you for the excellent information and thanks for giving a damn, MagickMuffin.

Kevin Phillips is a good conservative, one who puts his country and ALL its people ahead of simple self interest.

Eventually they all will learn to serve the wrong master is eternally foolish.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 03:01 AM
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87. Here's some more info for ya ;-P
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 03:02 AM by MagickMuffin


George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography --- by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin

CHAPTER VIII-b - THE BAY OF PIGS AND THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION


A body of leads has been assembled which suggests that George Bush may have been associated with the CIA at some time before the autumn of 1963. According to Joseph McBride of The Nation, "a source with close connections to the intelligence community confirms that Bush started working for the agency in 1960 or 1961, using his oil business as a cover for clandestine activities." 1 By the time of the Kennedy assassination, we have an official FBI document which refers to "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency," and despite official disclaimers there is every reason to think that this is indeed the man in the White House today. The mystery of George Bush as a possible covert operator hinges on four points, each one of which represents one of the great political and espionage scandals of postwar American history. These four cardinal points are:

1. The abortive Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba, launched on April 16-17, 1961, prepared with the assistance of the CIA's "Miami Station" (also known under the code name JM/WAVE). After the failure of the amphibious landings of Brigade 2506, Miami station, under the leadership of Theodore Shackley, became the focus for Operation Mongoose, a series of covert operations directed against Castro, Cuba, and possibly other targets.

2. The assassination of President John F. Kennedy in Dallas on November 22, 1963, and the coverup of those responsible for this crime.

3. The Watergate scandal, beginning with an April, 1971 visit to Miami, Florida by E. Howard Hunt on the tenth anniversary of the Bay of Pigs invasion to recruit operatives for the White House Special Investigations Unit (the "Plumbers" and later Watergate burglars) from among Cuban-American Bay of Pigs veterans.

4. The Iran-contra affair, which became a public scandal during October-November 1986, several of whose central figures, such as Felix Rodriguez, were also veterans of the Bay of Pigs.

During the early 1950's, E. Howard Hunt had been the CIA station chief in Mexico City. As David Atlee Phillips (another embittered JM/WAVE veteran) tells us in his autobiographical account, The Night Watch, Howard Hunt had been the immediate superior of a young CIA recruit named William F. Buckley, the Yale graduate and Skull and Bones member who later founded the National Review. In his autobiographical account written during the days of the Watergate scandal, Hunt includes the following tirade about the Bay of Pigs:

No event since the communization of China in 1949 has had such a profound effect on the United States and its allies as the defeat of the US-trained Cuban invasion brigade at the Bay of Pigs in April 1961.

Out of that humiliation grew the Berlin Wall, the missile crisis, guerrilla warfare throughout Latin American and Africa, and our Dominican Republic intervention. Castros' beachhead triumph opened a bottomless Pandora's box of difficulties that affected not only the United States, but most of its allies in the Free World. These bloody and subversive events would not have taken place had Castro been toppled. Instead of standing firm, our government pyramided crucially wrong decisions and allowed Brigade 2506 to be destroyed. The Kennedy administration yielded Castro all the excuse he needed to gain a tighter grip on the island of Jose Marti, then moved shamefacedly into the shadows and hoped the Cuban issue would simply melt away.

Hunt was typical of the opinion that the debacle had been Kennedy's fault, and not the responsibility of men like Allen Dulles and Richard Bissell, who had designed it and recommended it. After the embarrassing failure of the invasion, which never evoked the hoped-for spontaneous anti-Castro insurrection, Kennedy fired Allen Dulles, his Harrimanite deputy Bissell, and CIA deputy Director Charles Cabell (whose brother was the mayor of Dallas at the time Kennedy was shot).

During the days after the Bay of Pigs debacle, Kennedy was deeply suspicious of the intelligence community and of proposals for military escalation in general, including in places like South Vietnam. Kennedy sought to procure an outside, expert opinion on military matters. For this he turned to the former commander in chief of the Southwest Pacific Theatre during World War II, General Douglas MacArthur. Almost ten years ago, a reliable source shared with one of the authors an account of a meeting between Kennedy and MacArthur in which the veteran general warned the young president that there were elements inside the US government who emphatically did not share his patriotic motives, and who were seeking to destroy his administration from within. MacArthur's warned that the forces bent on destroying Kennedy were centered in the Wall Street financial community and its various tentacles in the intelligence community.

It is a matter of public record that Kennedy met with MacArthur in the latter part of April, 1961, after the Bay of Pigs. According to Kennedy aide Theodore Sorenson, MacArthur told Kennedy, "The chickens are coming home to roost, and you happen to have just moved into the chicken house." At the same meeting, according to Sorenson, MacArthur "warned against the committment of American foot soldiers on the Asian mainland, and the President never forgot this advice." This point is grudgingly confirmed by Arthur M. Schlesinger, a Kennedy aide who had a vested interest in vilifying MacArthur, who wrote that "MacArthur expressed his old view that anyone wanting to commit American ground forces to the mainland should have his head examined." MacArthur restated this advice during a second meeting with Kennedy when the General returned from his last trip to the Far East in July, 1961.

Kennedy valued MacArthur's professional military opinion highly, and used it to keep at arms length those advisers who were arguing for escalation in Laos, Vietnam, and elsewhere. He repeatedly invited those who proposed to send land forces to Asia to convince MacArthur that this would as good idea. If they could convince MacArthur, then he, Kennedy, might also go along. At this time, the group proposing escalation in Vietnam (as well as preparing the assassination of President Diem) had a heavy Brown Brothers, Harriman/Skull and Bones overtone: the hawks of 1961-63 were Harriman, McGeorge Bundy, William Bundy, Henry Cabot Lodge, and some key London oligarchs and theoreticians of counterinsurgency wars. And of course, George Bush during these years was calling for escalation in Vietnam and challenging Kennedy to "muster the courage" to try a second invasion of Cuba. In the meantime, the JM/WAVE-Miami station complex was growing rapidly to become the largest of Langley's many satellites. Its center was at the former Richmond Naval Air Station south of Miami, which had been a base for antisubmarine blimps during World War II. During the years after the failure of the Bay of Pigs, this complex had as many as 3,000 Cuban agents and subagents, with a small army of case officers to direct and look after each one. According to one account, there were at least 55 dummy corporations to provide employment, cover, and commercial disguise for all these operatives. There were detective bureaus, gun stores, real estate brokerages, boat repair shops, and party boats for fishing and other entertainments. There was the clandestine Radio Swan, later renamed Radio Americas. There were fleets of specially modified boats based at Homestead Marina, and at other marinas throughout the Florida Keys. Agents were assigned to the University of Miami and other educational institutions.

The raison d'tre of the massive capability commanded by Theodore Shackley was now Operation Mongoose, a program for sabotage raids and assassinations to be conducted on Cuban territory, with a special effort to eliminate Fidel Castro personally. In order to run these operations from US territory, flagrant and extensive violation of federal and state laws was the order of the day. Documents regarding the incorporation of businesses were falsified. Income tax returns were faked. FAA regulations were violated by planes taking off for Cuba or for forward bases in the Bahamas and elsewhere. Explosives moved across highways that were full of civilian traffic. The Munitions Act, the Neutrality Act, the customs and immigrations laws were routinely flaunted. Above all, the drug laws were massively violated as the gallant anti-communist fighters filled their planes and boats with illegal narcotics to be smuggled back into the US when they returned from their missions. By 1963, the drug-running activities of the covert operatives were beginning to attract attention. JM/WAVE, in sum, accelerated the slide of south Florida towards the status of drug and murder capital of the United States it achieved during the 1980's, when it became as notorious as Chicago during Prohibition.

It cannot be the task of this study to even begin to treat the reasons for which certain leading elements of the Anglo-American financial oligarchy, perhaps acting with certain kinds of support from continental European aristocratic and neofascist networks, ordered the murder of John F. Kennedy. The British and the Harrimanites wanted escalation in Vietnam; by the time of his assassination Kennedy was committed to a pullout of US forces. Kennedy, as shown by his American University speech of 1963, was also interested in seeking a more stable path of war avoidance with the Soviets, using the US military superiority demonstrated during the Cuban missile crisis to convince Moscow to accept a policy of world peace through economic development. Kennedy was interested in the possibilities of anti-missile strategic defense to put an end to that nightmare of mutually assured destruction which appealed to Henry Kissinger, a disgruntled former employee of the Kennedy administration whom the president had denounced as a madman. Kennedy was considering moves to limit or perhaps abolish the usurpation of authority over the national currency by the Wall Street and London interests controlling the Federal Reserve System. If re-elected to a second term, Kennedy was likely to have re-asserted presidential control, as distinct from Wall Street control, over the intelligence community. There is good reason to believe that Kennedy would have ousted J. Edgar Hoover from his self-appointed life tenure at the FBI, subjecting that agency to presidential control for the first time in many years. Kennedy was committed to a vigorous expansion of the space program, the cultural impact of which was beginning to alarm the finance oligarchs. Above all, Kennedy was acting like a man who thought he was president of the United States, violating the collegiality of oligarchical trusteeship of that office that had been in force

since the final days of Roosevelt. Kennedy furthermore had two younger brothers who might succeed him, putting a strong presidency beyond the control of the Eastern Anglophile Liberal Establishment for decades. George Bush joined in the Harrimanite opposition to Kennedy on all of these points.

After Kennedy was killed in Dallas on November 22, 1963, it was alleged that E. Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis had both been present, possibly together, in Dallas on the day of the shooting, although the truth of these allegations has never been finally established. Both Hunt and Sturgis were of course Bay of Pigs veterans who would later appear center stage in Watergate. There were also allegations that Hunt and Sturgis were among a group of six to eight derelicts who were found in boxcars sitting on the railroad tracks behind the grassy knoll near Dealey Plaza, and who were rounded up and taken in for questioning by the Dallas police on the day of the assassination. Some suspected that Hunt and Sturgis had participated in the assassination. Some of these allegations were at the center of the celebrated 1985 defamation case of Hunt v. Liberty Lobby, in which a Florida federal jury found against Hunt. But, since the Dallas Police Department and County Sheriff never photographed or fingerprinted the "derelicts" in question, it has so far proven impossible definitively to resolve this question. But these allegations and theories about the possible presence and activities of Hunt and Sturgis in Dallas were sufficiently widespread so as to compel the Commission on CIA Activities Within the United States (the Rockefeller Commission) to attempt to refute them in its 1975 report.

According to George Bush's official biography, he was during 1963 a well-to-do businessman residing in Houston, the busy president of Zapata Offshore and the chairman of the Harris County Republican Organization, supporting Barry Goldwater as the GOP's likely 1964 presidential candidate, while at the same time actively preparing his own 1964 bid for the US Senate. But during that same period of time, Bush may have shared some common acquaintances with Lee Harvey Oswald.

Between October, 1962 and April, 1963, Lee Harvey Oswald and his Russian wife Marina were in frequent contact with a Russian emigr couple living in Dallas: these were George de Mohrenschildt and his wife Jeanne. During the Warren Commission investigation of the Kennedy assassination, de Mohrenschildt was interviewed at length about his contacts with Oswald. When, in the spring of 1977, the discrediting of the Warren Commission report as a blatant coverup had made public pressure for a new investigation of the Kennedy assassination irresistible, the House Assassinations Committee planned to interview de Mohrenschildt once again. But in March, 1977, just before de Mohrenschildt was scheduled to be interviewed by Gaeton Fonzi of the House committee's staff, he was found dead in Palm Beach, Florida. His death was quickly ruled a suicide. One of the last people to see him alive was Edward Jay Epstein, who was also interviewing de Mohrenschildt about the Kennedy assassination for an upcoming book. Epstein is one of the writers on the Kennedy assassination who enjoyed excellent relations with the late James Angleton of the CIA. If de Mohrenschildt were alive today, he might be able to enlighten us about his relations with George Bush, and perhaps afford us some insight into Bush's activities during this epoch.

Jeanne de Mohrenschildt rejected the finding of suicide in her husband's death. "He was eliminated before he got to that committee," the widow told a journalist in 1978, "because someone did not want him to get to it." She also maintained that George de Mohrenschildt had been surreptitiously injected with mind-altering drugs. 15 After de Mohrenschildt's death, his personal address book was located, and it contained this entry: "Bush, George H.W. (Poppy) 1412 W. Ohio also Zapata Petroleum Midland." There is of course the problem of dating this reference. George Bush had moved his office and home from Midland to Houston in 1959, when Zapata Offshore was constituted, so perhaps this reference goes back to some time before 1959. There is also the number: "4-6355." There are, of course, numerous other entries, including one W.F. Buckley of the Buckley brothers of New York City, William S. Paley of CBS, plus many oil men, stock brokers, and the like.

In 1959 he married Jeanne, his fourth wife, a former ballet dancer and dress designer who had been born in Manchuria, where her father had been one of the directors of the Chinese Eastern Railroad.

http://www.tarpley.net/bush8b.htm


There's a lot more fat at the link above: Get chewing :evilgrin:...oh by the way I thought it's interesting that de Mohrenschildt's wife was born in Manchuria; Manchurian Candidate in action was Oswald :rofl:
Of course this is NO laughing matter!




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6000eliot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 04:29 AM
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16. Did I read somewhere that he and Babs had dinner
with John Hinkley's parents shortly before the Reagan assassination attempt as well?
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CrushTheDLC Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 04:42 AM
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19. There was a dinner scheduled, but not Poppy and Babs
Neil Bush was scheduled to have dinner with Steven Hinkley, brother of the would be assassin on the very day of the attempted hit. The dinner was cancelled for "obvious reasons", but there's no question the Bush Crime Family and the Hinkleys were friends and business associates. Just like the Bush Crime Family and the Bin Ladens. Or Hitler, for that matter.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:27 PM
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71. Neil Bush and Scott Hinkley friendship was barely covered.
I uderstand the late John Chancellor brought it up on the NBC but the rest of the Press Corpse remained silent.



THE BUSH FAMILY IN THE 90S

Issue 1, December 1991

NEIL BUSH (AND HIS FAMILY)I


In the millions of words written in the national news media about Neil Bush and his part in the Silverado Savings & Loan scandal, no reference has been made to an extremely significant fact of his life.

Neil Bush, son of the then vice president of the United States, was scheduled to have dinner on March 31, 1981, with Scott Hinckley, brother of John Hinckley, the day after a bullet came within an inch of making Neil Bush's father the new president of the United States.

Even though John Chancellor had let slip out this most remarkable assassination coincidence shortly after John Hinckley tried to kill President Reagan, it was censored by NBC News and the other organs of the national news media during the subsequent 10 years. And even in the several months of extensive coverage of Neil Bush's part in the massive savings and loan fraud, no mention was made of his role in the continuing coverup of the most significant story in the 1980s.

Back in 1981, I thought the dinner engagement was so extraordinary that I looked everywhere for it in the days following Chancellor's raised-eyebrow report in the hours after the shooting. One magazine laughed at it and a few smaller papers carried a story by United Press International, but the Associated Press and the other major news outlets, in response to my numerous protests, made clear to me that they had no intention of letting the American people learn of Neil Bush's connection to the Hinckleys or, for that matter, the many other astonishing unanswered questions in the wake of the Bush-Hinckley coverup.

Thus I spent almost three years researching, writing and publishing a book that details scores of facts that would forever erase the ludicrous myth that John Hinckley gunned down President Reagan "to impress Jodie Foster." The Afternoon of March 30: A Contemporary Historical Novel wove the facts of the case into a fictional framework in order to explain how the coverup fit into other events that the national news media had failed to report, misreported or underreported. Whether there was a conspiracy to elevate George Bush to the presidency remains unofficially uninvestigated; that our major organs of information did not report significant facts about the Bush-Hinckley and Bush-Hinckley-Hunt connections is absolutely documented. I have never been a conspiracy theorist; I am an analyst of press performance with credentials extending over four decades.

CONTINUED...

http://www.nathanielblumberg.com/neil.htm



It goes back through Scott Hinkley's father's oil company, Vanderbilt Energy. Apparently the Bushes and Hinckleys knew each other from the oil patch days. It's always oil. Or it just appears that way.
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CrushTheDLC Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 04:31 AM
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17. Dick Nixon was also in Dallas on 11-22-63
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 04:32 AM by CrushTheDLC
Nixon was at a Pepsico board meeting. Pepsico was one of many corporations who lost a great deal of money when Castro took over Cuba from the corporatist-fascist Batista regime. (Pepsi had a cheap sugar supply from Cuba)

Clearly Pepsi would have been in favor of the CIA' s attempted "Bay of Pigs" coup (supervised by poppy Bush), and probably bought the CIA's rhetoric that Kennedy was to blame for the operation's failure.

Does any of this prove that Pepsi or Nixon were directly involved in the hit on JFK? No, but you can bet your ass that nobody in that meeting shed a tear when the news came in.


BTW, Nixon was a Bush Crime Family pawn from the start of his political career in 1946 up through Watergate and probably until the day he died.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:43 AM
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23. Poppy, is the embodiment of opportunism in America, Elected only once
but he never goes away.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:47 AM
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79. Prescott Bush made Richard Nixon his project.....a small world, no?
Obviously, Prescott (Trading with the Enemy) Bush knew quality character when he saw it. Think there was a quid-pro-quo between the BFEE and Nixon? I sure do.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 09:08 AM
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108. The Nazi Connection to the John F. Kennedy Assassination
These turds WORSHIPPED Franco. Franco was allied to Hitler. Hitler was allied to Brown Brothers Harriman. That's where Allen Dulles, Prescott Bush, Dick Nixon, et al come in.



The Nazi Connection to the John F. Kennedy Assassination

Evidence of link between Nazis still in operation after World War II to the still unsolved murder of John F. Kennedy


by Mae Brussell

EXCERPT...

The Howard Hughes organization, used as a cover for the kill-Castro conspiracy, (Hughes thought it was a patriotic idea) has long retained Carl Byoir Associates as its public relations arm. Throughout the war Byoir represented nazi bankers and industrialists and the I.G. Farben interests. One of his clients was Ernest Schmitz, member of the I.G. Farben-Ilgner and the German American Board of Trade. His Information Services was subsidized by the nazi government. George Sylvester Viereck, editor of the German Library of Information, was also in business with Byoir. A lucrative Byoir client was the Frederick Flick Group. Flick, a Nuremberg defendant released by McCloy, was the single greatest power behind the nazi military muscle.

Frederick Flick's son was close to the W.R. Grace Company, and invested over $400,000 in partnership with J. Peter Grace in the United States. During the war, WR. Grace was accused in a military report of protecting a certain nazi Colonel Brite in Bolivia. In 1951, when the CIA smuggled Barbie out of Germany, he was sent to join the same Colonel Brite. George de Mohrenschildt was a close associate of the company's founder, William Grace.

De Mohrenschildt was a man of many faces. He befriended Lee and Marina Oswald, introducing them to the White Russian community. He made phone calls to obtain Lee jobs and housing. As he told it to the Warren Commission, he was fascinated with this strange couple just out of Russia. But at the Petroleum Club in Dallas, De Mohrenschildt sang the praises of Heinrich Himmler. His travels took him all over the world on missions identified with intelligence. In 1956 he was employed by Pantepec Oil Company owned by the family of William Buckley.

De Mohrenschildt often discussed Oswald with J. Walton Moore, the CIA's Domestic Contacts Division resident in Dallas. In the spring of 1963, just after visiting the Oswalds, he went to Washington. There is a record of a phone call de Mohrenschildt made on May 7, 1963, to the Army Chief of Staff for intelligence. The same month he had a meeting in person with a member of that staff. His military connections seem to have been wide. One of the first persons de Mohrenschildt took the Oswalds to see in Dallas was retired Admiral Chester Burton.

Although De Mohrenschildt and his wife Jeanne testified at length before the Warren Commission, only attorney Albert Jenner and Pentagon historian Alfred Goldberg attended. One of Jenner's clients was General Dynamics, maker of the F-lll fighter that would achieve fame in Vietnam. The chief of security for General Dynamics in Dallas, Max Clark, was another De Mohrenschildt associate donating money to help Marina while George got Lee his next job in Dallas. He found one at the graphics house of Jagger-Chiles-Stovall, which held classified military contracts.

CONTINUED...

http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Na...



George DeMohrenschildt was buddies with George Herbert Walker Bush. Bush's name, birthdate, nickname, home phone and address were in DeMohrenschildt's address book. There also is a record of correspondence between Prescott and DeMohrenschildt.

Researcher Bruce Campbell Adamson absolutely pegs the history:

http://www.ciajfk.com/demohrenschildt.html

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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 06:32 PM
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119. All John Bircher's.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 06:47 PM
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120. Looks like a good read....

"As a former prosecutor in the United States military and as a present prosecutor in California, I was impressed both with the manner in which Mr. Adamson collected and presented facts and with the depth of his analysis. As a skeptic of any conspiracy theory, I must confess that I find Mr. Adamson's facts and analysis compelling after having read his books. These books should be read by anyone who is interested in this pivotal period of our nation's history."

-Andrew D. Amerson.

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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 04:33 AM
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18. It probably didn't mean anything to him until after the assassination
In all fairness, this just gets that oh, poor Bush, everything gets blamed on him self-pity on behalf of Bush.

In those days, nobody felt like they had that kind of responsibility for preventing future disaster.

Just makes him look like he is trying to show off how important he thinks he is, too. Not too surprising.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 09:33 AM
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109. The Bush Familys Favorite Terrorist
There's no way of telling for certain what the reason for the call to the FBI was. Bush's history since that time is most telling in this regard: GHW Bush loves terrorists who are on HIS side -- the same side as the wealthy oligarchs like Batista and Somoza and Papa Doc Duvalier. One example, Luis Posada Carriles, currently is in the news. Here's the back story:



The Bush Familys Favorite Terrorist

By Jerry Meldon & Robert Parry
April 25, 2005

While the Bush administration holds dozens of suspected Muslim terrorists on secret or flimsy evidence, one of the worlds most notorious terrorists slipped into the United States via Mexico and traveled to Florida without setting off any law enforcement alarms.

Though the terrorists presence has been an open secret in Miami, neither President George W. Bush nor Florida Gov. Jeb Bush has ordered a manhunt. The U.S. press corps has been largely silent as well.

The reason is that this terrorist, Luis Posada Carriles, was a CIA-trained Cuban whose long personal war against Fidel Castros government is viewed sympathetically by the two Bush brothers and their father. When it comes to the Bush family, Posada is the epitome of the old saying that one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

SNIP...

In 1992, the FBI interviewed Posada about the Iran-Contra scandal for 6 hours at the U.S. Embassy in Honduras. Posada filled in some blanks about the role of Bushs vice presidential office in the secret contra operation. According to a 31-page summary of the FBI interview, Posada said Bushs national security adviser, Donald Gregg, was in frequent contact with Felix Rodriguez.

Posada recalls that Rodriguez was always calling Gregg, the FBI summary said. Posada knows this because hes the one who paid Rodriguez phone bill.

CONTINUED...

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/042405.html


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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 04:58 AM
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20. Shouldn't it be... "The turd doesn't fall far from the asshole. " ???
Just askin'. :eyes: :evilgrin:
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CrushTheDLC Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:07 AM
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21. Well, he IS the Idiot Son of an Asshole, after all
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 09:41 AM
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110. Semantics. Semantics. Semantics.


Semiotics.
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i miss america Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:18 AM
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25. Like father, like son
Check this out...

The Assassination of JFK Jr.
http://www.revver.com/video/14470/?__session_just_start ...

:wow:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:22 AM
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111. That broke my heart.
I'd always believed, in my heart of hearts, it was no accident.

When Sen. Wellstone's plane went down, I knew.

Thanks, i miss america.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 06:26 PM
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118. Not to go too far off-topic but Sen. Wellstone also was active in
Edited on Tue Aug-22-06 06:31 PM by bobthedrummer
investigating the human experimentation carried on (and inspired by) real Nazis, some of them PAPERCLIP "Americans" that found a political home in the RW of the Republican Party.

Unwitting and some very vunerable US citizens (including military, infants and children) were subjected to radiation, drugs, mind control and who knows what else from Nazis battling "godless communism" folded into our national security community from its inception in 1947.

Mind control-now there's a subject that was once considered politically incorrect (just like the Bush {and other} family Third Reich connection)--yet it is a major component of the tools utilized by BFEE, ie perception management in the context of strategic influence by a despotic "unitary executive" form of government dominated by universal fascists (Straussians).

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/radiation/dir/mstreet/comm...

US Human Rights Abuse Report
http://www.mindjustice.org/7.htm

added on edit: MK ULTRA FOIA ruling from 2002
http://www.rcfp.org/news/2002/0819kellyv.html
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:27 AM
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26. "BUSH stated that he was proceeding to Dallas". What does "proceed" mean?
It means he was in Houston when the assassination took place. Nixon was the one in Dallas. Bush was still in Houston, according to this evidence you present.

Bush, who had been a CIA source and off-the-books supporter of sundry CIA operations went to Dallas because the president had just been murdered there and thought he had a useful lead on what many then thought might have been a coup or Soviet plot. Given his position, it's not surprising that he went to Dallas after the assassination.

Bush has done some evil shit in his life. Murdering President Kennedy is not among that shit.
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CrushTheDLC Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 03:52 PM
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45. Poppy doesn't have to be the shooter to be involved in the murder.
Poppy had already served a supervisory role in the Bay of Pigs operation, so it's clear that he was a higher rank in the CIA even then. Not surprising, considering that Allen Dulles, the original DCI was a partner in the Bush Crime Family back to the Union Bank Hitler funding days.

The shooters were most likely CIA agents E. Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis, both of whom were initially arrested by Dallas police but later released when Oswald became the "official" suspect. If the names sound familiar, it's because they went on to be "plumbers" in the Nixon administration. Poppy Bush was probably the supervisor of the operation, so he didn't neccessarily need to be in Dallas at 12:30 PM
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:10 AM
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94. Thanks. For someone who doesn't follow this, this is very informative.
I've seen the Bush photocopy at least a year ago. But I've never heard about the Hunt arrest.

It's maddening to see justice so blind it can't even be just. Something is very wrong.
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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 05:36 AM
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90. This memo was probably generated to provide GHWB with some cover. n/t
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 05:02 PM
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99. Yes, that's perfectly logical--they would gratuitously tie Bush to it all
Just in case, say, he became an important figure in the country twenty years later, they arranged to stick his name into the conspiracy--having him finger one of his own associates--as a way of distracting attention from his own involvement. That makes a LOT more sense than, say, simply hiding his involvement. "Wheels within wheels"--right, BR?
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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 10:14 PM
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102. The memo casts Bush as one of the good guys trying to prevent an...
... assassination.

Don't forget that several people would have known about Bush's connection to the agency. He would have no way of controlling what they said about him in the future (apart from terminating them with extreme prejudice). By ensuring a record of his "valiant efforts" to protect the president (i.e. JFK) existed, future accusers - should there be any - could then be more easily thrown of his scent.





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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 10:39 PM
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104. The thing is, Bush tipped FBI AFTER JFK WAS DEAD.
The President was pronounced dead around 1:30 p.m.

The FBI reports GHWB called them at 1:45 p.m.

Poppy wanted to make a statement that he had hearsay about someone who had threatened to shoot JFK.

Why didn't he come forward BEFORE President Kennedy was dead?
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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 12:09 AM
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106. Excellent point Octafish! Nixon: "Bush will do anything...". n/t
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:39 AM
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27. And why has he claimed he can't recall where he was when
he heard the news?

JFK's funeral - specifically watching JFK Jr. salute his father's casket - is forever etched in my memory, and I was only 4 at the time. I wasn't much bigger than John Jr. and my heart broke for him. :cry:

No way I believe that Poppy couldn't remember where he was. What's also unbelievable is that no one has called him on it. :wtf:

I've thought for years that Poppy was involved on some level with JFK's assassination.

I love your pics, BTW. Especially the one of chimpy. :thumbsup:
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:42 AM
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28. Unfortunately , we live in a time Again, where that answer would do.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 01:05 PM
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121. The Texans
Thanks for the kind words, No Surrender. Wish I could claim credit for the Chimpy Gangster, but that's from Bartcop.com. The other, though, is an original. This one is from the late, great John Heartfield, who pioneered collage as political speech and pegged Prescott's business partner, Adolf H, down cold. Of course, I added Smirko's mug.





The Kennedy Assassination:
The Nixon-Bush Connection


by Paul Kangas

Note: All references to "George Bush" refer to George Herbert Walker Bush, Father of George "Dubya" Bush who was "elected" pResident by a 5 to 4 vote of the Supreme Court.

A newly discovered FBI document reveals that George Bush was directly involved in the 1963 murder of President John Kennedy. The document places Bush working with the now-famous CIA agent, Felix Rodriguez, recruiting right-wing Cuban exiles for the invasion of Cuba. It was Bush's CIA job to organize the Cuban community in Miami for the invasion. The Cubans were trained as marksmen by the CIA. Bush at that time lived in Texas. Hopping from Houston to Miami weekly, Bush spent 1960 and '61 recruiting Cubans in Miami for the invasion. That is how he met Felix Rodriguez.

SNIP (SORRY, SO MUCH SUBSTANCE)...

The CIA put Texas millionaire and CIA agent George Bush in charge of recruiting Cuban exiles into the CIA's invasion army. Bush was working with another Texas oilman, Jack Crichton, to help him with the invasion. A fellow Texan, Air Force General Charles Cabel, was asked to coordinate the air cover for the invasion.

Most of the CIA leadership around the invasion of Cuba seems to have been people from Texas. A whole Texan branch of the CIA is based in the oil business. If we trace Bush's background in the Texas oil business we discover his two partners in the oil-barge leasing business: Texan Robert Mosbacher and Texan James Baker. Mosbacher is now Secretary of Commerce and Baker is Secretary of State, the same job Dulles held when JFK was killed. (Source: Common Cause magazine, 3-4/90).

On the Watergate tapes, June 23, 1972, referred to in the media as the "smoking gun" conversation, Nixon and his Chief of Staff, H.R. Haldeman, discussed how to stop the FBI investigation into the CIA Watergate burglary. They were worried that the investigation would expose their conection to "the Bay of Pigs thing." Haldeman, in his book The Ends of Power, reveals that Nixon always used code words when talking about the 1963 murder of JFK. Haldeman said Nixon would always refer to the assassination as "the Bay of Pigs."

On that transcript we find Nixon discussing the role of George Bush's partner, Robert Mosbacher, as one of the Texas fundraisers for Nixon. On the tapes Nixon keeps refering to the "Cubans" and the "Texans." The "Texans" were Bush, Mosbacher and Baker. This is another direct link between Bush and evidence linking Nixon and Bush to the Kennedy assassination.

In the same discussion Nixon links "the Cubans," "the Texans," "Helms," "Hunt," "Bernard Barker," Robert "Mosbacher" and "the Bay of Pigs." Over and over on the Watergate tapes, these names come up around the discussion of the photos from Dallas that Nixon was trying to obtain when he ordered the CIA to burglarize the Watergate. (Source: Three Men and a Barge", Teresa Riordan, Common Cause magazine, March/April 1990, and San Francisco Chronicle, May 7,1977, interview with Frank Sturgis in which he stated that "the reason we burglarized the Watergate was because Nixon was interested in stopping news leaking related to the photos of our role in the assassination of President John Kennedy.")

CONTINUED...

http://www.sumeria.net/politics/kennedy.html

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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:49 AM
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30. Thank you for your continual posts on the subject. It was here at DU that
I first became enlightened. rec'd.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 01:12 PM
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122. Nixon's Watergate and JFK's Murder: Connecting the Dots!
Thanks for the kind words, mod mom. Your friendship means the world to me.



Here's info that all free people should know...



Nixon's Watergate and JFK's Murder: Connecting the Dots!

by William Hughes
(Friday June 03 2005)

"Richard Nixon was forced to resign because of Watergate and the feeding frenzy over it initiated by the Washington Post. Yet, this same Post has been silent about the Iraqi-related lies of George W. Bush! Why did the Post ignore the CIA connections to Watergate? Did a Shadow Government bring Nixon down because of his peace overtures to Vietnam and the Soviet Union?"

Richard M. Nixon won the 1972 presidential election by a massive landslide of votes. He carried 49 of the 50 states. His opponent, Sen. George McGovern, failed to carry even his home state of South Dakota. Only faithful Massachusetts stayed in the Democratic column. It was an embarrassing blow! Yet, incredibly, by Aug. 8, 1974, Nixon was forced to resign from the office of the presidency as a result of the Watergate scandal! <1>

Watergate was a grand comic opera that Nixon had helped to cover up at the urging of White House sleaze bags. Some of them are strongly suspected of having had a personal interest in the break-in that they wanted to keep from the public eye.<2> Even G. Gordon Liddy, an organizer of the break-in on June 17, 1972, of the Democratic Party headquarters at the Watergate complex in Washington, D.C., couldnt figure out the value of that insane enterprise. The CIA, thanks to one of its operatives, the late E. Howard Hunt, was also directly involved in the Watergate crime. Come to think about it, what exactly was the CIAs interest in Watergate? Why wasnt this question ever addressed by the Washington Post? There is definitely something here way beyond Nixons political ambitions. <3>

There isnt any doubt, that the country was seriously destabilized by the political crisis surrounding Nixons resignation. A personally flawed man, Nixon was his own worst enemy. He was a master of dirty tricks. One might say that Gods great law of Karma finally caught up with him. He was also a first class liar and a mean-spirited man. Im writing this piece not to minimize Nixons role in Watergate, but only to get readers to look behind the Controlled Medias spin on it. Recent disclosures indicate that W. Mark Felt, the then-No. 2 man at the FBI, was Deep Throat. Felt now claims, after lying about it for over 30 years, that he was the source for Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein of the Post. They, along with Federal Judge John Sirica who presided over the burglary case, broke the Watergate story. The reporters agree Felt was their source. Well, he may have been a source, but was he the only one? Was he really the primary source? Or, was Deep Throat a composite of sources? Is the Post again deliberately misdirecting us away from key figures, at the then-Nixon White House, who may have been CIA plants, and who had agendas of their own with respect to Watergate? <3>

Consider this: If there is a scandal at a local City Hall in any town in America, are the people who are in the know about that scandal going to be the local cops investigating the affair? Isnt it more probably true than not, that the real authorities about what truly happened at City Hall will come from someone who worked in the highest echelon of offices there?

Question: Why would the Establishment of that day want to get rid of Nixon over a burglary? It doesnt make any sense! Nixon was its man and it had just spent tons of money getting him elected to a second term. The Posts version of what happened has huge holes in it. Meanwhile, as I write, President George W. Bush has lied us into an unjust, costly and deadly war with Iraq, with no end in sight to that conflict. Yet, the Post is maintaining a strict vow of silence about that. Why isnt it howling for Bushs Impeachment? This is the same stealth-like position that it took when President Ronald Reagan was lying his a.. off about Contragate. The Post also didnt dare to disturb the demented Reagan as he was going about his anti-American plot of repealing the progressive gains of FDRs New Deal. This is the same rotten scheme that Bush, again without any opposition from the Post, is finishing off. Who is watching the store? Not the self-glorifying Post, thats for sure.

CONTINUED...

http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/15464

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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:55 AM
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31. K and r
Skull and Bones

Why is is the that the Corporate media never asks about Skull & Boner Prescott Bush and his documented funding of Hitler and the Nazis?

Why does the Corporate Media never ask about Skull & Boner Poppy Bush and Dallas?

Why does the Corporate Media never ask about Skull & BONER George AWOL Bush and his lifelong ties with an OCCULT anti-Christian secret club of Wealthy Elitists?




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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:18 AM
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34. The answer would give Freepers an intelligence Attack.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 01:18 PM
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123. The Second Biggest Lie
Here's something to make me furious:



THE SECOND BIGGEST LIE

by Michael Morrissey

The biggest lie of our time, after the Warren Report, is the notion that Johnson
merely continued or expanded Kennedy's policy in Vietnam after the
assassination.

1. JFK's policy

In late 1962, Kennedy was still fully committed to supporting the Diem regime,
though he had some doubts even then. When Senator Mike Mansfield advised
withdrawal at that early date:

    The President was too disturbed by the Senator's unexpected argument to reply to
    it. He said to me later when we talked about the discussion, "I got angry with
    Mike for disagreeing with our policy so completely, and I got angry with myself
    because I found myself agreeing with him (Kenneth O'Donnell and Dave Powers,
    Johnny, We Hardly Knew Ye, Boston: Little, Brown and Co., 1970, p. 15).


By the spring of 1963, Kennedy had reversed course completely and agreed with
Mansfield:

    "The President told Mansfield that he had been having serious second thoughts
    about Mansfield's argument and that he now agreed with the Senator's thinking on
    the need for a complete military withdrawal from Vietnam.

    'But I can't do it until 1965--after I'm reelected,' Kennedy told Mansfield....

    After Mansfield left the office, the President said to me, 'In 1965 I'll become
    one of the most unpopular Presidents in history. I'll be damned everywhere as a
    Communist appeaser. But I don't care. If I tried to pull out completely now from
    Vietnam, we would have another Joe McCarthy red scare on our hands, but I can do
    it after I'm reelected. So we had better make damned sure that I am reelected'
    (O'Donnell, p. 16)."


Sometime after that Kennedy told O'Donnell again that

    "...he had made up his mind that after his reelection he would take the risk of
    unpopularity and make a complete withdrawal of American military forces from
    Vietnam. He had decided that our military involvement in Vietnam's civil war
    would only grow steadily bigger and more costly without making a dent in the
    larger political problem of Communist expansion in Southeast Asia" (p. 13).


Just before he was killed he repeated this commitment:

    "'They keep telling me to send combat units over there,' the President said to
    us one day in October <1963>. 'That means sending draftees, along with volunteer
    regular Army advisers, into Vietnam. I'll never send draftees over there to
    fight'.
    " (O'Donnell, p. 383).


The War Party eats up freepers.

Why else would this guy have made it so far?
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 08:56 PM
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127. Thank You!
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Holly_Hobby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:32 AM
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35. Is this Poppy?
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:50 AM
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36. Many believe it is , but wouldn't a man in the cia know? I was watching
my kindergarten teacher cry profusely, I wonder what Poppy did when he heard?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 07:23 PM
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124. Dunno. Let's get him under oath and ask.
Some DUers have noted previously it could be David Atlee Phillips.

Going by the thin tie and familiar slouch, I'm inclined toward Poppy.

He had a reason to be there: Babs told Michael Beschloss she and Georgie Jr were in Dallas that day to "See the parade."

George, of course, can't remember where he was. Seems the man, whoever he is, was waiting for the three tramps to go by. Note the background.



Nice people, dem dere dose.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:14 AM
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37. Hats off Octafish. UDAMAN!!!!!!!!!!! n/t K&R with extreme pride!!!
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 11:25 AM by autorank
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 10:01 AM
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128. How the CIA Killed History
Thanks, autorank. I truly appreciate you giving a damn, my Friend.



It's nice to know someone's got my back.



How the CIA Killed History

by Ace R. Hayes
(May/June 1997 issue)
From the Portland Free Press

Editor's note: Three decades ago (4 January 1967), the CIA produced adocument (#1035-960), "Countering Criticism of the Warren Report." This document was partly declassified under an FOIA, September 1976. It is the blueprint for employing "CIA media assets" to smear critics of the Warren Commission. The justification for this perversion of truth, justice and democracy was clearly stated: "Just because of the standing of the Commissioners, efforts to impugn their rectitude and wisdom tend to cast doubt on the whole leadership of American society."

CONTINUED

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/news/ciakillhistory.ht...


Read this CIA document 1035-960 here:

http://www.discip.crdp.ac-caen.fr/anglais/documents/ame...


Countering Criticism of the Warren Report

http://www.jfklancer.com/CIA.html




Someone who got his job through nepotism:
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:33 AM
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39. Another wonderful post Octafish! K & R & bookmarked! ....n/t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 10:06 AM
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129. The Mother of All Cover-Ups
Thanks, WiseButAngrySara. Here's some more words and with some hope on the subject. When it comes to the assassination of President Kennedy, perhaps we will see Justice served:



The Mother of All Cover-Ups

Forty years after the Warren Report, the official verdict on the Kennedy assassination, we now know the country's high and mighty were secretly among its biggest critics


by David Talbot
This article first appeared in the September 15, 2004 issue of Salon.com

EXCERPT

There is one sanctuary where the Warren Report is still stubbornly upheld and where its manifold critics can expect their own rough treatment: in the towers of the media elite. Fresh from assaulting Oliver Stone, not only for his film but his very character (a media shark-attack in which, I must confess, I too once engaged), the national press rushed to embrace Gerald Posner's bold 1993 defense of the Warren Report, "Case Closed," making it a bestseller. ("The most convincing explanation of the assassination," historian Robert Dallek called it in the Boston Globe.) And the 40th anniversary of JFK's murder last November sparked a new cannonade of anti-conspiracy sound and fury, with ABC's Peter Jennings making yet another network news attempt to silence the report's critics. Most of the press lords and pundits in the 1960s who allowed themselves to be convinced that the Warren Report was the correct version of what happened in Dallas -- whether because they genuinely believed it or because they thought it was for the good of the country -- are now dead or retired. But after buying the official version for so long, it seems the elite media institutions have too much invested in the Warren Report to change their minds now, even if they're under new editorial leadership.

One of the great ironies of history is that while the media elite was busily trying to shore up public confidence in the Warren Report, the political elite was privately confiding among themselves that the report was a travesty, a fairy tale for mass consumption. Presidents, White House aides, intelligence officials, senators, congressmen, even foreign leaders -- they all muttered darkly among themselves that Kennedy was killed by a conspiracy, a plot that a number of them suspected had roots in the U.S. government itself. (In truth, some high media dignitaries have also quietly shared their doubts about the official version. In 1993, CBS anchorman Dan Rather, who did much along with his network to enforce the party line on Dallas, confessed to Robert Tannenbaum, the former deputy chief counsel of the House Select Committee on Assassinations, "We really blew it on the Kennedy assassination.")

Thanks to tapes of White House conversations that have been released to the public in recent years, we now know that the man who appointed the Warren Commission -- President Lyndon Johnson -- did not believe its conclusions. On September 18, 1964, the last day the panel met, commission member Sen. Richard Russell phoned Johnson, his old political protege, to tell him he did not believe the single bullet theory, the key to the commission's finding that Oswald acted alone. "I don't either," Johnson told him. Johnson's theories about what really happened in Dallas shifted over the years. Soon after the assassination, Johnson was led to believe by the CIA that Kennedy might have been the victim of a Soviet conspiracy. Later his suspicions focused on Castro; during his long-running feud with Robert Kennedy, LBJ leaked a story to Washington columnist Drew Pearson suggesting the Kennedy brothers themselves were responsible JFK's death by triggering a violent reaction from the Cuban leader with their "goddamed Murder Inc." plots to kill him. In 1967, according to a report in the Washington Post, Johnson's suspicious gaze came to rest on the CIA. The newspaper quoted White House aide Marvin Watson as saying that Johnson was "now convinced" Kennedy was the victim of a plot and "that the CIA had something to do with this plot." Max Holland, who has just published a study of LBJ's views on Dallas, "The Kennedy Assassination Tapes," intriguingly concludes that Johnson remained haunted by the murder throughout his tenure in the White House. "It is virtually an article of faith among historians that the war in Vietnam was the overwhelming reason the president left office in 1969, a worn, bitter, and disillusioned man," writes Holland. "Yet the assassination-related tapes paint a more nuanced portrait, one in which Johnson's view of the assassination weighed as heavily on him as did the war."

Critics of the Warren Report's lone-assassin conclusion were often stumped by defenders of the report with the question, "If there was a conspiracy, why didn't President Kennedy's own brother -- the attorney general of the United States, Robert Kennedy -- do anything about it?" It's true that, at least until shortly before his assassination death in June 1968, Bobby Kennedy publicly supported the Warren Report. On March 25, during a presidential campaign rally at San Fernando Valley State College in California, Kennedy was dramatically confronted by a woman heckler, who called out, "We want to know who killed President Kennedy!" Kennedy responded by saying, "I stand by the Warren Commission Report." But at a later campaign appearance, days before his assassination, Bobby Kennedy said the opposite, according to his former press spokesman Frank Mankiewicz. When asked if he would reopen the investigation into his brother's death, he uttered a simple, one-word answer: "Yes." Mankiewicz recalls today, "I remember that I was stunned by the answer. It was either like he was suddenly blurting out the truth, or it was a way to shut down the questioning -- you know, 'Yes, now let's move on.'"

His public statements on the Warren Report were obviously freighted with political and emotional -- and perhaps even security -- concerns for Bobby Kennedy. But we have no doubt what his private opinion of the report was -- as his biographer Evan Thomas wrote, Kennedy "regarded the Warren Commission as a public relations exercise to reassure the public." According to a variety of reports, Kennedy immediately suspected a plot as soon as he heard his brother had been shot in Dallas. And as he made calls and inquiries in the hours and days after the assassination, he came to an ominous conclusion: JFK was the victim of a domestic political conspiracy. In a remarkable passage in "One Hell of a Gamble," a widely praised 1997 history of the Cuban missile crisis based on declassified Soviet and U.S. government documents, historians Alexksandr Fursenko and Timothy Naftali wrote that on November 29, one week after the assassination, Bobby Kennedy dispatched a close family friend named William Walton to Moscow with a remarkable message for Georgi Bolshakov, the KGB agent he had come to trust during the nerve-wracking back-channel discussions sparked by the missile crisis. According to the historians, Walton told Bolshakov that Bobby and Jacqueline Kennedy believed "there was a large political conspiracy behind Oswald's rifle" and "that Dallas was the ideal location for such a crime." The Kennedys also sought to reassure the Soviets that despite Oswald's apparent connections to the communist world, they believed President Kennedy had been killed by American enemies. This is a stunning account -- with the fallen president's brother and widow communicating their chilling suspicions to the preeminent world rival of the U.S. -- and it has not received nearly the public attention it deserves.

CONTINUED

http://home.earthlink.net/~jkelin1/talbot.html



Justice's unwitting tool:
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 02:14 PM
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40. Parrot was a political opponent of Texas politico John Tower
who GH Bush was working for.

John Tower (The Tower Commission that investigated Iran-Contra) died in a small plane crash.

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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 02:24 PM
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43. Tower's death called suspicious:

...On April 5, 1991, Tower was killed along with 23 other people in the crash of Atlantic Southeast Airlines Flight 2311 on approach for landing at St. Simons Island, Georgia. Also killed in the crash were Tower's 35-year old daughter, Marianne, and astronaut Sonny Carter. Some conspiracy theorists argue that Tower's demise was because he supposedly knew the suppressed truth of the Iran-Contra scandal....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tower#Suspicious_deat...


Maybe he knew the "suppressed truth" of Poppy's employment status in 1963.

John Tower: A Man who Knew to much.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 05:26 AM
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89. Waauk Waauk "Oswald did it" Waauk Waauk "Lone Gunman"
Some more info on the PARROTT


On the day of the Kennedy assassination, FBI records show George Bush as reporting a right-wing member of the Houston Young Republicans for making threatening comments about President Kennedy. According to FBI documents released under the Freedom of Information Act,

On November 22, 1963 Mr. GEORGE H.W. BUSH, 5525 Briar, Houston, Texas, telephonically advised that he wanted to relate some hear say that he had heard in recent weeks, date and source unknown. He advised that one JAMES PARROTT had been talking of killing the President when he comes to Houston.

PARROTT is possibly a student at the University of Houston and is active in politics in the Houston area.

According to related FBI documentation, "a check with Secret Service at Houston, Texas revealed that agency had a report that PARROTT stated in 1961 he would kill President Kennedy if he got near him." Here Bush is described as "a reputable businessman." FBI agents were sent to interrogate Parrott's mother, and later James Milton Parrott himself. Parrott had been discharged from the US Air Force for psychiatric reasons in 1959. Parrott had an alibi for the time of the Dallas shootings; he had been in the company of another Republican activist. According to press accounts, Parrott was a member of the right-wing faction of the Houston GOP which was oriented towards the John Birch Society and which opposed Bush's chairmanship. According to the San Francisco Examiner, Bush's press office in August, 1988 first said that Bush had not made any such call, and challenged the authenticity of the FBI documents. Several days later Bush's spokesman said that the candidate "does not recall" placing the call.

One day later after he reported Parrott to the FBI, Bush received a highly sensitive, high-level briefing from the Bureau:

Date: November 29, 1963
To: Director

Bureau of Intelligence and Research

Department of State
From: John Edgar Hoover, Director

Subject: ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY NOVEMBER 22, 1963
Our Miami, Florida, Office on November 23, 1963 advised that the Office of Coordinator of Cuban Affairs in Miami advised that the Department of State feels some misguided anti-Castro group might capitalize on the present situation and undertake an unauthorized raid against Cuba, believing that the assassination of President John F. Kennedy might herald a change in US policy, which is not true.

Our sources and informants familiar with Cuban matters in the Miami area advise that the general feeling in the anti-Castro Cuban community is one of stunned disbelief and, even among those who did not entirely agree with the President's policy concerning Cuba, the feeling is that the President's death represents a great loss not only to the US but to all Latin America. These sources know of no plans for unauthorized action against Cuba.

An informant who has furnished reliable information in the past and who is close to a small pro-Castro group in Miami has advised that those individuals are afraid that the assassination of the President may result in strong repressive measures being taken against them and, although pro-Castro in their feelings, regret the assassination.

The substance of the foregoing information was orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency and Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency on November 23, 1963, by Mr. W.T. Forsyth of this Bureau.

William T. Forsyth, since deceased, was an official of the FBI's Washington headquarters; during the time he was attached to the Bureau's subversive control section, he ran the investigation of Rev. Martin Luther King. Was he also a part of the FBI's harassment of Dr. King? The efforts of journalists to locate Captain Edwards have not been successful.

This FBI document identifying George Bush as a CIA agent in November, 1963 was first published by Joseph McBride in The Nation in July, 1988, just before Bush received the Republican nomination for president. McBride's source observed: "I know was involved in the Caribbean. I know he

was involved in the suppression of things after the Kennedy assassination. There was a very definite worry that some Cuban groups were going to move against Castro and attempt to blame it on the CIA." 20 When pressed for confirmation or denial, Bush's spokesman Stephen Hart commented: "Must be another George Bush." Within a short time the CIA itself would peddle the same damage control line. On July 19, 1988 in the wake of wide public attention to the report published in The Nation, CIA spokeswoman Sharron Basso departed from the normal CIA policy of refusing to confirm or deny reports that any person is or was a CIA employee. CIA spokeswoman Basso told the Associated press that the CIA believed that "the record should be clarified." She said that the FBI document "apparently" referred to a George William Bush who had worked in 1963 on the night shift at CIA headquarters, and that "would have been the appropriate place to have received such an FBI report." According to her account, the George William Bush in question had left the CIA to join the Defense Intelligence Agency in 1964.

For the CIA to volunteer the name of one of its former employees to the press was a shocking violation of traditional methods, which are supposedly designed to keep such names a closely guarded secret. This revelation may have constituted a violation of federal law. But no exertions were too great when it came to damage control for George Bush.

George William Bush had indeed worked for the CIA, the DIA, and the Alexandria, Virginia Department of Public Welfare before joining the Social Security Administration, in whose Arlington, Virginia office he was employed as a claims representative in 1988. George William Bush told The Nation that while at the CIA he was "just a lowly researcher and analyst" who worked with documents and photos and never received interagency briefings. He had never met Forsyth of the FBI or Captain Edwards of the DIA. "So it wasn't me," said George William Bush.

Later, George William Bush formalized his denial in a sworn statement to a federal court in Washington, DC. The affidavit acknowledges that while working at CIA headquarters between September 1963 and February 1964, George William Bush was the junior person on a three to four man watch shift which was on duty when Kennedy was shot. But, as George William Bush goes on to say,

I have carefully reviewed the FBI memorandum to the Director, Bureau of Intelligence and Research, Department of State dated November 29, 1963 which mentions a Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency....I do not recognize the contents of the memorandum as information furnished to me orally or otherwise during the time I was at the CIA. In fact, during my time at the CIA. I did not receive any oral communications from any government agency of any nature whatsoever. I did not receive any information relating to the Kennedy assassination during my time at the CIA from the FBI.

Based on the above, it is my conclusion that I am not the Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency referred to in the memorandum.

So we are left with the strong suspicion that the "Mr. George Bush of the CIA" referred to by the FBI is our own George Herbert Walker Bush, who, in addition to his possible contact with Lee Harvey Oswald's controller, may thus also join the ranks of the Kennedy assassination cover-up. It makes perfect sense for George Bush to be called in on a matter involving the Cuban community in Miami, since that is a place where George has traditionally had a constituency. George inherited it from his father, Prescott Bush of Jupiter Island, and later passed it on to his own son, Jeb.

http://www.tarpley.net/bush8b.htm


Maybe Poppy had a grude to bear against Parrott, since his faction of the GOP was not in favor of Poppy's Chairmanship...


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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 03:04 PM
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132. LOL
If we could only find that Parrot.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 02:15 PM
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41. You're providing an important public service, Octafish.
Thank you.

:patriot:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 03:22 PM
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135. WaPo: 'No Closer to Cracking the Kennedy Case'
Here's what Corporate McPravda puts out:



No Closer to Cracking the Kennedy Case

Meeting Yields Few Answers on Assassination


By George Lardner Jr.
Special to The Washington Post
Monday, November 21, 2005; A13

The conference was optimistically titled "Cracking the JFK Case," but it was widely noted that many of the speakers and members of the audience had grown gray hair or lost much of it while looking for the answers.

One of the presentations at the three-day session revived doubts about the famous "single bullet theory" that the House Select Committee on Assassinations thought it had resolved in the late 1970s. Another demolished persistent claims that the Zapruder film -- the "clock" of the Kennedy assassination -- had somehow been altered or contradicted by other photographic evidence. Still another speaker demonstrated how the sounds on Dallas police tapes showed that four and perhaps five shots had been fired -- meaning that at least one other person besides alleged assassin Lee Harvey Oswald had squeezed a trigger.

None of that solved the whodunit, although the conferees could still count themselves and like-minded historians and researchers winners in a way. Three out of every four Americans think President John F. Kennedy's assassination on Nov. 22, 1963, was the result of a conspiracy. Almost as many think there was a coverup.

But the proposition that drew about 135 people to a Bethesda hotel this past weekend -- that it is not too late "to solve the greatest mystery of the 20th century" -- has less traction with the public. According to the most recent poll, conducted in 2003 for the 40th anniversary of the JFK assassination, 75 percent of the public does not want another government investigation.

Washington lawyer Jim Lesar, president of the nonprofit Assassination Archives and Research Center, the main sponsor of the conference, was undeterred. "The lone assassin theory" -- the Warren Commission's conclusion in 1964 that Oswald was solely responsible for the killing -- "is more discredited than it has previously been," he said in opening remarks.

A key reason, he said, is that the CIA not only withheld crucial information from the commission about its assassination plots against Cuban President Fidel Castro and other foreign leaders, but it also held back other vital information from the House assassinations committee, which concluded in 1979 that Kennedy was "probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy."

The committee's chief counsel, G. Robert Blakey, whose main suspect remains the late New Orleans Mafia boss Carlos Marcello, explained his loss of confidence in the CIA in a talk Saturday night. The committee had relied on the late George Joannides, a CIA officer called out of retirement, to help it find and review CIA documents during its investigation. But the agency never told the committee that Joannides had been the case officer for a CIA-funded anti-Castro exile group that had contacts with Oswald and an ostensible confrontation with him in New Orleans before the assassination.

CONTINUED...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...



Thank you, bleever. I go into detail as to why I do what I do in #134 below.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 04:42 PM
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48. I know...
;)



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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:53 PM
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53. Check out Reply 8, Compay.


Great thinks mind alike.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:41 PM
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51. I've been saying that Poppy Bush killed JFK for years
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 12:01 PM
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139. Let's have him testify before a Grand Jury.
Edited on Sat Aug-26-06 12:01 PM by Octafish
I'm sure he'd have a lot to talk about.

A few questions:

Why were you in Dallas that day?

With whom did you meet?

What do you know about the assassination of President Kennedy?

There are many, many more to ask George H.W. Bush under oath.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:43 PM
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52. The Kennedy Assassination:The Nixon-Bush Connection

The Kennedy Assassination:
The Nixon-Bush Connection

by Paul Kangas

Note: All references to "George Bush" refer to George Herbert Walker Bush, Father of George "Dubya" Bush who was "elected" (prez-nit) by a 5 to 4 vote of the Supreme Court.

EXCERPT...

George Bush claims he never worked for the CIA until he was appointed director by former Warren Commission director and then President Jerry Ford, in 1976. Logic suggests that is highly unlikely. Of course, Bush has a company duty to deny being in the CIA. The CIA is a secret organization. No one ever admits to being a member. The truth is that Bush has been a top CIA official since before the 1961 invasion of Cuba, working with Felix Rodriguez. Bush may deny his actual role in the CIA in 1959, but there are records in the files of Rodriguez and others involved in the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba that expose Bush's role. The corporations would not put somebody in charge of all the state secrets held by the CIA unless he was experienced and well trained in the CIA. (Source: Project Censored Report, Feb 1989, Dr Carl Jensen, Sonoma State College).

SNIP...

On the Watergate tapes, June 23, 1972, referred to in the media as the "smoking gun" conversation, Nixon and his Chief of Staff, H.R. Haldeman, discussed how to stop the FBI investigation into the CIA Watergate burglary. They were worried that the investigation would expose their conection to "the Bay of Pigs thing." Haldeman, in his book The Ends of Power, reveals that Nixon always used code words when talking about the 1963 murder of JFK. Haldeman said Nixon would always refer to the assassination as "the Bay of Pigs."

On that transcript we find Nixon discussing the role of George Bush's partner, Robert Mosbacher, as one of the Texas fundraisers for Nixon. On the tapes Nixon keeps refering to the "Cubans" and the "Texans." The "Texans" were Bush, Mosbacher and Baker. This is another direct link between Bush and evidence linking Nixon and Bush to the Kennedy assassination.

In the same discussion Nixon links "the Cubans," "the Texans," "Helms," "Hunt," "Bernard Barker," Robert "Mosbacher" and "the Bay of Pigs." Over and over on the Watergate tapes, these names come up around the discussion of the photos from Dallas that Nixon was trying to obtain when he ordered the CIA to burglarize the Watergate. (Source: Three Men and a Barge", Teresa Riordan, Common Cause magazine, March/April 1990, and San Francisco Chronicle, May 7,1977, interview with Frank Sturgis in which he stated that "the reason we burglarized the Watergate was because Nixon was interested in stopping news leaking related to the photos of our role in the assassination of President John Kennedy.")

After Nixon's landslide victory in 1972, he knew he had to centralize all power into the White House to keep his faction in power, not only to hold power, but to prevent the media from digging into how he secretly shot his way into the White House, just like Hitler shot his way into control of Germany. The first thing Nixon did was to demand signed resignations of his entire government. "Eliminate everyone," he told John Ehrlichman about reappointment, "except George Bush. Bush will do anything for our cause." (Source: Pledging Allegiance, Sidney Blumenthal.)

CONTINUED...

http://www.sumeria.net/politics/kennedy.html
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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 05:53 AM
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92. J. Edgar Hoover was a key player in the murder of JFK, Malcom X, MLK, &..
... RFK.

Gerald Ford was Hoover's key informant concerning what was going on within the Warren Commission.

Presidents who were involved in JFK's demise and the subsequent cover up... Johnson, Nixon, Ford, and of course GHWB. (I'm unsure about Carter and Reagan. My current belief is that they were not involved in any way.)

Every last scumbag involved in JFK's (and American democracy's) death should burn in infinite hell.


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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:04 PM
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55. Great find. I just had an argument a couple of months ago
with someone who brought up it was a rumor that was dispelled by the Warren Commission. If the hotel registration shows up that would be a good double proof. Someone also had a picture of a man standing near the book depository that looked very much like a young version of George H. W. Bush too.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:19 PM
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56. One of the Warren Commissioners
apparently disappeared - Boggs
from one of the links in the OP I read a dicussion forum: (last post in that thread)

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=7...
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:43 PM
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66. Bogg's plane disappeared.
He was the a (I think the only - but I could be wrong) dissenter on the Warren Commission and apparently did not make a secret of his doubts. He was also Cokie Roberts father.

Strange how many convienent aviation accidents there seems to be.

One of my fantasies is that, as Gerald Ford gets closer to "meeting Jesus" what remains of his conscience might get the better of him and he'll talk. Even he might be horrified by what Junior is doing to the country. Of course, Ford is 93 and currently in the Mayo Clinic so if he's going to talk, he better do so soon. Maybe Betty will spill all when he's gone, she was always pretty outspoken.


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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 01:37 AM
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107. Oh - that's her father, hmmm
yes, in that post, it says he was a dissenter

I doubt Ford will speak. At his age, he'll think: why bother - he may leave some statement 'to be revealed at some lagter date" though.

But when you think about how many people confronted an untimely death along the way - and the "possibility" (putting it in a neutral/diplomatic way) of basically, a suspected crime organization, to run the country - is just mind boggling.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:46 PM
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58. The Bush Family is the Borgia Family of the USA. GHW is Cesare.
This is how history will remember them.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-28-06 10:46 PM
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142. Cesare had more class.
Both are bastards, though.

Excellent comparison, McCamy Taylor. It is said Karl Rove reads "The Prince" every year, believed to be based in part on the life of young Cesare. Your appreciation of history helps us all move toward a different -- and much better -- future.

Here's the past I fear we're repeating, starting with one guy I wished the late Simon Wiesenthal would have been able to bring to justice was Reinhard Gehlen. The record shows that particular investigation was stymied P.D.Q by Bush Family Evil Empire. The reason they (the Secret Government) needed the NAZI spy in the new Cold War against the commie Soviets and Red Chinese.



Well, I would do whatever was needed to defend America. I believe, if needed, I would be willing to sacrifice my self in the defense of my country, the Constitution and We the People. I hope I would never, however, forgive an enemy who had killed millions of innocent people including hundreds of thousands of my countrymen in the name of fascism for "patriotism."

So, who was Gehlen? He was the German master spy who



The Case of Nazis in the CIA

The Gehlen Org: From OSS to CIA


EXCERPT...

On April 1, 1945, a convoy of eleven trucks wound its way through Bavaria, traveling south from Berlin, away from the advancing Red Army who was at that moment conducting their own blitzkrieg through eastern Germany. Aboard the trucks were hand-picked German intelligence officers who guarded a very special cargo. Inside crates that had been carefully stacked and hidden under the canvas tops of the trucks were the most valued prizes of the head of German military intelligence: the files on Russia.

The purpose of the convoy was not to transport the documents to the Last Redoubt, but to remove them from harm's way altogether for use as future bargaining chips with the advancing Allies. For the files, which were the fruit of five years of intensive intelligence gathering on Russia, were now the personal property of a youthful 40 year-old general named Reinhard Gehlen. And with them, he planned on bargaining his way to a very special arrangement--with the Americans

SNIP...

At the same time, Gehlen's existence in Allied hands quite coincidentally became known to General "Wild Bill" Donovan, head of the OSS, and his station chief in Europe, Allen Dulles. In August, Gehlen and three assistants were covertly flown to Washington and secreted away at Camp David for interviews with both Military Intelligence and the OSS. Apparently the OSS offered the best deal, for within a eighteen months the Gehlen Org, resurrected from the original Nazi spy network, had been installed in West Germany to act as the eyes and ears of the newly-created CIA.

The story that Captain Bokor, using great foresight and planning, managed all of these feats of clandestine operations on his own is too incredible to be true. It is not probable that a company-grade officer would risk his career to protect a Nazi war criminal, or put himself personally in jeopardy by wantonly violating international agreements. In any normal case, such activity would earn him a courts martial. It is even more improbable that Gehlen would stumble into the one American in a thousand that would quickly see the value in what Gehlen purported to offer and immediately begin work to protect not only Gehlen, but his officers.

What is more believable is that Gehlen had made these arrangements far in advance. By using certain trusted contacts within the German High Command who had both pre-war and current business dealings across national boundaries, Gehlen had coordinated a deal with a specified contact within the American intelligence community. Namely Allen Dulles.

CONTINUED

http://www.riflewarrior.com/case_of_nazis_in_the_cia.ht...



So where does the BFEE fit in?

Follow the money Prescott Bushs business chum was Allen Dulles, the guy who one day would head of the CIA and later serve the country on the Warren Commission.




Sen. Prescott Bush (on the right) straightens out his young chum Sen. Tricky Dickie's hat.

Back to the subject: Here's the way the BFEE -- the Secret Government -- greased the way for Gehlen and his incoming NAZI horde...



Operation Paperclip Casefile

EXCERPT

Convinced that German scientists could help America's postwar efforts, President Harry Truman agreed in September 1946 to authorize "Project Paperclip," a program to bring selected German scientists to work on America's behalf during the "Cold War"
However, Truman expressly excluded anyone found "to have been a member of the Nazi party and more than a nominal participant in its activities, or an active supporter of Naziism or militarism."

The War Department's Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency (JIOA) conducted background investigations of the scientists. In February 1947, JIOA Director Bosquet Wev submitted the first set of scientists' dossiers to the State and Justice Departments for review.

The Dossiers were damning. Samauel Klaus, the State Departments representative on the JIOA board, claimed that all the scientists in this first batch were "ardent Nazis." Their visa requests were denied.

Wev was furious. He wrote a memo warning that "the best intrests of the United States have been subjugated to the efforts expended in 'beating a dead Nazi horse.'" He also declared that the return of these scientists to Germany, where they could be exploited by America's enemies, presented a "far greater security threat to this country than any former Nazi affiliations which they may have had or even any Nazi sympathies that they may still have."

When the JIOA formed to investigate the backgrounds and form dossiers on the Nazis, the Nazi Intelligence leader Reinhard Gehlen met with the CIA director Allen Dulles. Dulles and Gehlen hit it off immediatly. Gehlen was a master spy for the Nazis and had infilitrated Russia with his vast Nazi Intelligence network. Dulles promised Gehlen that his Intelligence unit was safe in the CIA.

CONTINUED...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Operation_Pap...



The Dulles-Bush connection goes way back. Dulles and Prescott Bush worked together, along with Averell Harriman. So, today, it's not a stretch to see which families and organizations seem to have benefited the most in post-war America. Can you say "Military-Industrial Complex?"



Nazis and Bush family history:

Government investigated Bush family's financing of Hitler


By Carla Binion
December 21, 2000

This article on Nazis in the Republican party was originally published in Online Journal on 1/28/00. However, the following includes additional information regarding George H. W. Bush's father, Prescott, and his maternal grandfather, George Herbert (Bert) Walker, and the fact that the U. S. government investigated their financing of Adolf Hitler.

One book referenced here, Christopher Simpson's "Blowback," was praised by journalist Seymour Hersh as "the ultimate book about the worst kind of cold war thinking." Nora Levin, Director, Holocaust Archive, Gratz College, said "The full story of this country's shameful, cynical collaboration with Nazi criminals has not been told until now with the publication of Simpson's book." Congresswoman Elizabeth Holtzman said, 'Blowback' is a must read for anyone who wants to understand postwar policy on Nazi war criminals and the cold war."

In another Simpson book, "The Splendid Blonde Beast," the author wrote about George H. W. Bush's father, Prescott, and his maternal grandfather, George Herbert Walker. Both Bert Walker and Prescott Bush were powerful financial supporters of Adolf Hitler.

Walker was president of Union Banking Corporation, a firm that traded with Germany and helped German industrialists consolidate Hitler's political power. Simpson says Union Banking became a Nazi money-laundering machine.

Walker helped take over North American operations of Hamburg-Amerika Line, a shipping line and cover for I. G. Farben's Nazi espionage unit in the U. S. Hamburg-Amerika smuggled in German agents, and brought in money for bribing American politicians to support Hitler. A 1934 congressional investigation showed Hamburg-Amerika subsidized Nazi propaganda efforts in the U. S.

CONTINUED

http://www.govsux.com/nazisandbushfamilyhistory.html



Now whats the problem with using some ex-NAZIs in the fight against the commies? After all, the Soviets and the Red Chinese dont play fair and would stab us in the back in a minute.

Well, it turns out that the Gehlen Org wasnt all it was cracked up to be. In fact, the Soviets had infiltrated it with their own spies. So, when the US forgave all the war criminals and let them into the country to spy on the commies, they also brought in a bunch of Soviet spies. No wonder James Jesus Angleton worried so much about moles in the CIA.



Intelligence / Agencies / Counterintelligence

EXCERPT

Trento, Joseph J. The Secret History of the CIA. Roseville CA: Prima Publishing (Forum), 2001. 542 pages.

Joseph Trento has been an investigative reporter on the national security beat since 1968. He had some scoops in the 1970s, and kept at it through the 1980s and 1990s by cultivating insiders such as James Angleton, William Corson, and Robert Crowley. Through them he managed to interview dozens of other retired spooks. Now he is president of the Public Education Center in Washington DC.
This book covers roughly three intermingled topics. The first is the CIA's early years at the Berlin base, where high-flying corruption and Soviet penetration was rampant, and even seemed to help one's CIA career. William Harvey was a key player here. The second involves the migration of some of these players to Vietnam, and also to Chile. The primary source on Chile is Edward Korry, whose story is told here in some detail. The third aspect of this book is the mole wars, where Angleton plays a major role. Trento makes a strong case that Igor Orlov and George Weisz deserve top billing as moles, but is less convincing when he describes Angleton's theories about Oswald. In the end, the point of the book -- that the Soviets consistently ran circles around a corrupted and incompetent CIA -- is rock solid. It wasn't our self-serving Keystone Cops who won the Cold War; it was simply that our arms race outlasted the Soviet economy.

SOURCE: http://www.namebase.org/books30.html



Of course, not all American presidents since World War II have been touched by these super-duper-supermen the same way. Eisenhower was the one who actually warned us about the Military-Industrial Complex and John F. Kennedy actually tried to do something about them -- in addition to his work enlightening the masses through public education, the arts and good government. We all know how that story ended...





Gen. Charles Willoughby

The Nazi Connection to the John F. Kennedy Assassination

by Mae Brussell (from The Rebel, November 22, 1983)

1940-1945: The Nazi Connection to Dallas:General Reinhard Gehlen


SNIP

"Sir" Charles Willoughby -- a Franco-German-American

He was a bull of a man who spoke with a German accent, wore a custom-tailored general's uniform and affected a monocle. A fellow officer in the U.S. army under his true name of Adolph Charles Weidenbach, born in Heidelberg, March 8, 1892. But by the time he became Douglas MacArthur's chief of intelligence for the war in the Pacific, he was Major General Charles A. Willoughby. Behind his back he was derisively tagged "Sir Charles."

For a man of such Teutonic traits it was odd that Willoughby preferred his fascism with a Spanish accent. But this was an accident of geography. While serving as a military attache in Ecuador, he had received a decoration from Mussolini's government -- the Order of Saints Maurizio and Lazzaro. After delivering an impassioned paean to Spanish dictator Generalissimo Francisco Franco at a lunch in Madrid, he was toasted by the secretary general of the Falangist Party, "I am happy to know a fellow Falangist and reactionary.

MacArthur's pre-war headquarters were in the Philippines, whose commerce was dominated by resident Spaniards. The Daddy Warbucks of this crowd was Andres Soriano, who owned an early-day conglomerate of airlines, mines, breweries ("Of course!") and American distributorships. During the Spanish Civil War Soriano was one of Franco's principal money-bags. When the Rising Sun flag was raised over the Philippines Soriano fled to Washington to become finance minister of the government-in-exile. But there was such a fuss over his fascist reputation that he flew off to Australia to become a colonel on MacArthurs staff.

Willoughby accompanied the Supreme Commander to Tokyo for the occupation of Japan. His preferences remained the same; when military police shook down his hotel looking for a fugitive, they found Willoughby at dinner with the stranded Italian fascist ambassador to Japan and members of his staff. He became a heavy-handed censor, suppressing unfavorable news to the States. He delighted in falsely labeling correspondents who defied him as "Communists," a tactic Senator McCarthy would adopt with enthusiasm. But the general's priority project was a dressed-up history of the Pacific War in which MacArthur would be the towering hero. Willoughby brought in Japanese military brass for a view from the enemy side, a move that may have had an ulterior motive. The possibility existed that Willoughby was down-playing Japanese war crimes so that the perpetrators could be protected for use against the Soviets later. This was happening in Germany where the top nazis were writing the history of Malmedy. The tight security in which Willoughby wrapped the project only adds to this impression. One woman had a passkey, the wife of Dr. Mitsutaro Araki, a former exchange lecturer in Germany, who was closely tied in with high nazis in Tokyo and the Tojo clique.

Willoughby harbored another secret that only came to light last year. During the war, the Japanese conducted germ warfare experiments with human beings as guinea pigs (at least 3,000 died, including an undetermined number of captured U.S. military). The Pentagon decided that the biological research might prove handy against the Russians, and the Japanese responsible for the experiments were granted immunity from prosecution in return for their laboratory records. On December 12, 1947 the Pentagon acknowledged the "wholehearted cooperation" of Willoughby in arranging the examination of the "human pathological material which had been transferred to Japan from the biological warfare installations."

As his final public gesture to Franco, Willoughby lobbied the U.S. Congress in August, 1952 to authorize $100 million for the anti-Communist dictator's needs. Then he settled down in the U.S. to do battle with the domestic enemy. As Sir Charles and his right-wing allies saw it, Marxism wasn't the real enemy, the Liberals were.

CONTINUED

http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Na...






So, whats all this ancient history have to do with me, today?

Well, these same NAZIs are the ones whove helped make America into the Fourth Reich.

Dont believe me?

Ask yourself: What are we doing in Iraq? and youll see what I mean and how we got there.





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professor_grove Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:08 PM
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62. this scummy family has been involved in so
much dirt and blood and murder and genocide that another crime would not surprise anyone.

Wasnt one of these putrid Bushes involved with the Hinckleys at the time of Reagans shooting?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-28-06 10:52 PM
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143. Poppy hoped that the 'old triangulation of crossfire' would work again.
Is how DUer Robert Paulsen put it, turning us to this info:



HINCKLEY: HIT MAN FOR THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT?

What is more dangerous for the future of our country than a conspiracy to assassinate a president? It is a conspiracy to manipulate and control what the American people are told by the national news media. There are scores of unanswered questions surrounding the event of the afternoon of March 30, 1981. For instance, John Chancellor, eyebrows raised, informed the viewers of NBC Nightly News that the brother of the man who tried to kill the president was acquainted with the son of the man who would have become president if the attack had been successful. As a matter of fact, Chancellor said in a bewildered tone, Scott Hinckley and Neil Bush had been scheduled to have dinner together at the home of the vice president's son the very next night.

And, of course, the engagement had been canceled. . . Then a peculiar thing happened: The story vanished. To this day, it has never been reported in the New York Times, Washington Post or many other metropolitan newspapers, never again mentioned by any of the television news networks, and never noted in news magazines except for a brief mention in Newsweek, which lumped it with two ludicrous conspiracy scenarios as if the Bush-Hinckley connection didn't deserve some sort of explanation.

SNIP...

But there's more. NBC correspondent Judy Woodruff said that at least one shot was fired from the hotel, above Reagan's limousine. She later elaborated, saying a Secret Service agent had fired that shot from the hotel overhang. Could Reagan's wound have been inflicted by friendly fire? Or, more ominously, did Woodruff glimpse a bona fide "second gunman" - a la JFK in Dealey Plaza? Either way, Woodruff's account might explain how a slug managed to strike Reagan when his limo's bulletproof door stood between him and Hinckley. Sizing up the Hinckley-Bush nexus, conspiracy researcher John Judge has theoretically dubbed this "the shot from the Bushy knoll." According to conspiratologist Barbara Honegger, White House correspondent Sarah McClendon made the somewhat more subjective comment that Reagan's Secret Service retinue wasn't in its "usual tight formation" around Reagan in front of the Hilton. Were the Gipper's bodyguards out to throw the game?

Then there was Hinckley, himself. The Jodie Foster obsessed space cadet had been prescribed psychoactive drugs by a hometown psychiatrist. According to press reports, at the time of the shooting he was dosed with Valium. Before targeting Reagan (supposedly to gain the "fame" that would redeem him in the eyes of Foster and the world), Hinckley had stalked Senator Ted Kennedy and President Jimmy Carter. He devoured books on Sirhan Sirhan, Robert Kennedy's assassin (suspected by many conspiracy researchers to have been hypnotically programmed), and Arthur Bremer, who shot George Wallace. Theorists ask the inevitable questions: Was Hinckley a mind-controlled assassin, a Manchurian Candidate programmed to "terminate with extreme prejudice"? They point to the CIA's longtime obsession with mind control and the fact that during the 1980 presidential primaries, Bush - the former director of Central Intelligence - enjoyed the zealous support of Agency regulars, who preferred their former boss to Reagan.

http://www.geocities.com/Northstarzone/HINCKLEY.html



If you want something done right, do it yourself with family.

Speaking of which: A most hearty welcome to DU, professor_grove!
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Superman Returns Donating Member (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:21 PM
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68. You know,
up until this Bush was selected President, I don't remember too many liberals having a problem with his father. After all, GHWB was an old school New England Republican with some moderate policies. He was never the conservative his son would become. Hell, he didn't even go into Baghdad after Kuwait was liberated. Also, former members of his administration would criticize his son in various op-ed pieces, with some concluding that Daddy was trying to sent hints to his son. With that being said, why would GHWB be a moderate Republican and go on to lose to Bill Clinton if he is apart of this grand neo-con conspiracy?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:27 PM
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72. I beg your pardon! I had a problem with that mother fucking snake!
He wasn't as bad as snake 2 but a snake nonetheless.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:29 PM
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73. The reason for the first Gulf War was to protect the wealthy Arab....
partners, who were being invaded by Saddam. They are very important players in all of this, and probably did not know how to deal with the neoconservative movement, which promoted Israel so boldly.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:19 AM
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77. IMO, he was always in the background setting stuff up
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 12:19 AM by goclark
Bill Clinton just got in the way~ his popularity was astounding, but now they are so buddy buddy.

I sure hope BC is playing this right because he is playing with fire when he plays with Poppy.
Just my opinion

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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:26 AM
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78. Most Liberals I know always thought the guy was a reptile....
...I guess we just hang out in different Liberal circles...
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 01:01 AM
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81. I think the knowledge of the Bush family only really began when the
internet became a real medium for sharing information. I'll admit to being agnostic on the Bush family in the 70-80's. (Full disclosure: my uncle was a general practioner that made occasional house calls on the Walker family and played golf with them.)

It's been a real education to learn about web of Bush...and all of the amazing coincidences that have propelled them to their throne.
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Luna_Chick Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 01:15 AM
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83. Wow, then all those liberals I met at protests and discussions
..against the Gulf War and Poppy in general..hm, guess they were figments of my imagination? Myself included. Guess the celebrations so many of us had when Poppy was sent packing from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue were imagined, too.
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Superman Returns Donating Member (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 01:22 AM
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85. Look,
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 01:23 AM by Superman Returns
Im only twenty, so sorry if I don't know what was happening among liberals in 1992. What I do know is that Bush Senior was not a neocon, had luke-warm relations with Israel, had moderate social views, didn't go into Baghdad, and lost to Bill Clinton. If this guy was behind taking over the U.S. and putting his son into power, I don't get why these events transpired under his Presidency. Importantly, why would he let himself lose to Bill Clinton and not swiftboat the guy into oblivion? If he was some grand master, he wouldn't have ran a terrible campaign.
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Luna_Chick Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 01:28 AM
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86. No need to apologize for your age
I was commenting on the first sentence of your post, as did others. "up until this Bush was selected President, I don't remember too many liberals having a problem with his father."

:hi:
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 05:39 AM
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91. H. Ross Perot was partly the reason Clinton Won
A lot of people voted for Perot, and therefore took votes away from Poppy. Also Poppy cast himself out to be a dishonest man to the american taxpayer.

His famous quote from back in the day "READ MY LIPS, NO NEW TAXES." ... But he went back on his word...

I hope you have read all of the post in this thread, it serves as a valuable history lesson, which you could never get from any school, media or other sources.




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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 01:02 PM
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115. Obviously, you aren't a Texan....
Bush the Smarter ran against our Senator Yarborough, claiming he was a liberal & supporter of civil rights. He was correct--but Texas still re-elected the Democrat. He's always been a creep--just a bit more polished than his idiot son.

Some have said that Bush asked Clinton to postpone his presidential run, to avoid being booted from the White House after one term. His bitterness at losing fueled the long witch hunt that almost brought Clinton down. (Linda Tripp first tried to get famous by yammering about Jennifer Fitzgerald, Bush Sr's main girlfriend for many years. She later hit the jackpot when Monica confided in her.)

Besides--Bush has always been a Republican. I'm a Democrat.




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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:29 PM
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74. I get excited whenever I see
Octafish on a post! Thanks fish!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 11:57 AM
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138. Video: Secret Service officers ordered to STAND-DOWN from JFK's limo
Thank you for the kind words, lonestarnot. Thanks also for you giving a damn.

Here's video from an amateur movie made at Love Field on 22 November, 1963:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-57709843954814...

Background on Secret Service Agent Emory Roberts ordering Secret Service Agent Henry J. Rybka off of JFK's limousine:

http://www.jfklink.com/articles/EmoryRoberts.html

More Background on Secret Service detail:

http://www.jfklancer.com/LNE/limo.html

More background on Love Field film:

http://blogs.albawaba.com/Alexanderjames/2067/2005/12/0...
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:29 PM
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75. Just like Baby Bush, obvious evidence goes ignored.
And we will ALL pay for the consequences in horrible ways, looking like soon.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 01:06 AM
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82. Missed the nomination period, but still worth a kick.
These threads ought to be re-released quarterly. I'm sure that every time you post these, a few more people become enlightened about the Bush family. Seems like you can pinpoint the time when the fortunes of the House of Bush rose....
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QuettaKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 10:28 AM
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93. and where was poppy bush on 9/11?
Why having a nice breakfast with OBL's brother in D.C. of course!! just another coincidence, I'm sure.

By Paul Joseph Watson
editor of the website PropagandaMatrix.com

Comment: Despite studying September 11 for two years solid, one fact I only just discovered is that George W. Bush's father was meeting with Osama bin Laden's brother, Shafig bin Laden, in the Ritz-Carlton Hotel, Washington, on the morning of 9/11. They were on Carlyle Group business just a few miles from where hijackers supposedly acting on behalf of Osama bin Laden would fly a plane into the Pentagon.

Recall that the chief financier of the so-called hijackers, Pakistan's Chief Spy General Mahmoud Ahmad, was meeting with Bush administration officials the week before 9/11. He also met with Bob Graham and Porter Goss on the morning of the attacks, who would later go on to head the first 9/11 investigative committee.

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/new_revelations_on_911

The Bush senior/bin Laden meeting was reported on by CBC. See http://www.propagandamatrix.com/021103fifthestate.html

This was also reported by the London Observer. See the last paragraph at http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,7...

"On 11 September, while Al-Qaeda's planes slammed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the Carlyle Group hosted a conference at a Washington hotel. Among the guests of honour was a valued investor: Shafig bin Laden, brother to Osama."
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:24 AM
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95. Overnighted at the WH on 9/10...while Dimson was in Florida.
I wonder what he and Dick talked about?
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:17 PM
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105. More obvious evidence that goes ignored, where is the M$M on this
topic? I mean, Poppy was with OSAMA BIN LADEN'S bro ON 9/11. What more do people need?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-28-06 10:26 PM
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140. 'We'd been operating a damn Murder Inc in the Caribbean.'
If there was no conspiracy, how come LBJ and J Edgar Hoover and the rest of the people who pushed for war in Vietnam did all they could to keep the public from believing there was one? and why did they do all they could to discredit Jim Garrison, one of the few in government to challenge the lone nut story? Later, in his final days, why did LBJ wonder out loud that he thought there was? Of course, his taped phone calls show people were wondering what the truth was. Warren Commission member and U.S. Senator Hale Boggs (Cokie Roberts' daddy) is reported to have felt LBJ had something to do with the assassination. We never had a chance to learn more as his aircraft turned up missing over Alaska somewhere. Here's something to copy and keep before the Internets close down:



The Assassination Tapes - The US plan to assassinate Fidel Castro in the 1960s

By Max Holland | The Atlantic
Published: Wed June 09, 2004
By: Publisher in Cuba Politics > Cuban History

Lyndon Johnson secretly recorded many of his telephone conversations as President. The tapes provide our only window into his thoughts after hearing what was then a rumor about CIA plots to assassinate Fidel Castroinformation that shaped Johnsons views of both JFKs assassination and his own presidency. Herewith excerpts from his 1967 calls

On July of 1973, six months after the death of Lyndon Baines Johnson, The Atlantic published an article by a journalist and former Johnson speechwriter named Leo Janos. The Last Days of the President, about LBJ in retirement, was elegiac in tone and fact, save for one dissonant paragraphin which Johnson volunteered his opinion that President John F. Kennedys assassination had been the result of a conspiracy organized from Cuba. I never believed that Oswald acted alone, although I can accept that he pulled the trigger, he explained to Janos. Johnson thought such a conspiracy had formed in retaliation for U.S. plots to assassinate Fidel Castro; he had found after taking office that the government had been operating a damned Murder Inc. in the Caribbean.

Johnsons assertion generated just a ripple of attention at the time, ten years after the assassination. Conspiracy theories about the assassination had become a cottage industry, and the fact that even a former President believed in one was interesting, but only mildly so. Then, too, Kennedys mythic stature left no room for an allegation of this nature, and Johnsons well-known penchant for exaggeration worked against him. Besides, it was easy to discount the views of a President whose term had given rise to the phrase credibility gap. After his bitterly divisive years in office the public wanted none of Johnsons regrets, reminiscences, or revelations.

Johnsons remark was dismissed until 1975, when an extraordinary series of events, ignited by the Watergate break-in, culminated in the baring of the Central Intelligence Agencys darkest secrets including the fact that it had indeed tried during the early 1960s to assassinate Fidel Castro. Still, the story behind Johnsons indiscretion to Janos has never been adequately understood or explained. Surely Johnson appreciated the likely consequences if his words were taken at face value. They could be devastating to the government and the nation to which he had devoted the greater portion of his life. To answer the question of why Johnson spoke out is to understand how he himself saw his presidency.

It is possible to reconstruct the story only because Johnson secretly recorded many of his telephone conversations. Without these recordings history with the bark off vital information would be altogether missing. Not one of the millions of documents in the Johnson Library reveals the Presidents own thoughts soon after hearing what was then a rumor about CIA plots against Castro; only the recordings do. It is virtually an article of faith among historians that the war in Vietnam was the overwhelming reason the President left office a worn, bitter, and disillusioned man. But the assassination-related tapes paint a more nuanced picture one in which Johnsons view of the assassination weighed as heavily on him as the war.

CONTINUED...

http://havanajournal.com/politics/entry/the_assassinati... /

ORIGINAL SOURCE (Subscription)...

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2004/06/holland.htm



A conspiratorial wink of thanks, Not-So Old and In the Way.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:45 PM
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96. Interesting reading. kick
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 02:20 PM
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97. How does this implicate Bush
in the JFK assassination. Please put it in your own words if you will.
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:10 PM
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101. How about proof of only two shots from TSBD window
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 09:27 PM by sce56


and Nixon Prescot Bush's man

This FBI-document of 1947 recommends that "one Jack Rubenstein of Chicago" should not be called to testify for the Committee on Unamerican Activities, for he is working for Congressman Richard M. Nixon. According to the Warren Commission, Ruby had no connections with Oswald, Organized Crime or the Government. No wonder the header reads "This is sensitive".

Prescott with his protg Dick Nixon
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 02:54 PM
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134. Heres what I know and what I think, in my own words:


Call me a liar or call me a conspiracy nut, I dont care which. The truth is I dont like writing the Know your BFEE series because the subject matter is so sickening.

HERES THE BACKSTORY: On the liberal side, we have one family, the Kennedys. Heroic. Service minded. Try to do whats best for ALL Americans. On the conservative side, we have one family, the Bushes. Cowardly. Self centered. Always do whats best for the richest Americans.

THE REALITY: The thing is, Corporate McPravda arent doing their job telling the Truth about this story. So, I must. Same for the history books, their authors dont cover this stuff in high school or college. So, I must. And if there are few places to learn about this stuff, people at work wont talk about this stuff. So, I must. And if it werent for the Internets, the people on this thread and in DU, not many people would know Bush told the FBI he was heading to Dallas the same day President Kennedy was assassinated. So, I must. Same goes for failing to warn the FBI he heard someone threaten to kill JFK in Houston -- BEFORE the assassination. So, I must. It is my duty as a citizen of the United States of America.

FIRST OFF: Never did I write that Bush was complicit in the assassination of President Kennedy.

WHAT I DID SAY: George Herbert Walker Bush, the man who would become the 41st president of the United States, has never explained his business in Dallas on November 22, 1963. I also wrote I stated Bush was in Dallas thats what he told the FBI.

I ALSO SAID: In another post above (Reply #3), I indicated FBI Director J Edgar Hoover debriefed Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency in regards to how the pro- and anti-Castro Cuban community felt about the assassination. The former group felt they would be blamed for the assassination, the latter said they regretted the assassination.

To me, the JFK assassination is still an open case. The perpetrators have not been brought to Justice. One material witness has risen through the ranks of government, seemingly without too much electoral success, to begin a political dynasty: two sons elected governors, one selected president.

Please allow me to ask a couple of questions: Why would a spook be hanging around there, at that particular time, and then never remembering what he was doing there? What was his business there?

Notice I've never accused George Herbert Walker Bush of being the trigger man. I have asked why he didn't come forward BEFORE the assassination with information that could be useful to the Secret Service and vital to protecting President Kennedy. Instead, Bush waited until JFK was dead and THEN came forward with his hearsay suspect.

Some DUers don't believe there's a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy or even a Bush Family Evil Empire.

Hey, I'm a Democrat and respect other's opinions and views.

But I do believe in the VRWC and BFEE, perhaps more accurately termed the Bush Transnational Criminal Enterprise. Just what Ive witnessed with my own two brown eyes, heres

The Bush Crime Line:

Vietnam
Bay of Pigs
Assassination of President Kennedy
Chile
Watergate
October Surprise
El Salvador
Reagan Survives Hinckley and Bush
NAZI Ethnics for Reagan-Bush
Voodoo Economics
INSLAW/Promis
Haiti
Iraq-gate / Banca Nazionale del Lavoro arms to Saddam
BCCI petrodollars fueling Terror Inc and Dr AQ Khan
Savings & Loan scandal in general and Silverado in particular
Iran-contra Guns/Drugs/Martial Law
Gulf War I Glaspie Gives Go-Ahead
Selection 2000 Shreds US Constitution
Tax Cuts for UltraRich
Criminal Justice Department
Suicidal Environmental Policy
ENRON Energy Policy
9-11 Criminal Negligence, at best; Treason, most likely
Illegal Iraq Invasion
Paperless Selection 2004

Its interesting in reviewing the above list, just how much ultra-right, conservative Republican leadership has really been. More than a listing of criminality, the list demonstrates there have been many treasonous activities against We the People through business opportunities in the finance, energy, and defense industries.

From Dealey Plaza to Vietnam to Watergate to the October Surprise to Scott Hinckley's dinner plans the day Pruneface almost got whacked to Iran-Contra and CIA drug-running to Selection 2000 to illegal NSA spying to ENRON energy policy to 9-11 to illegal Iraq invasion to e-Selection 2004 -- one name keeps popping up: BUSH.

That's no theory. That's a fact.

So now you know what it is I know in my own words and why I fight them with information. I must make info-hay while the Internet sun still shines. My hope is that maybe someday, enough people will talk about this stuff that Corporate McPravda will have to do their job.

Then, maybe, history books will be written that tell the whole truth about our country and its leaders. Then I wont have to write about this stuff. As Ive been thinking about this stuff every day since November 22, 1963, when I was six years of age, that day cant come soon enough.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 05:01 PM
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98. Back to one!
November 22, 1963 was the day the MIC seized the American government.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 05:06 PM
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100. Octafish...thank you for all your hard work!!!
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:39 AM
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112. Poppy Bush was "Deepthroat" also, and paid off stooge to take the credit..
google it! > George H.W Bush deepthroat < (Sr. was pissed at Nixon)
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 08:00 PM
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125. agreed, and Woodward makes a great pawn in plamegate as well.
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bedazzled Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 12:18 PM
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113. you might want to check out the book "the immaculate deception -
the bush crime family exposed" by russell s. bowen.

an excellent book. it's only 210 pages long, but an excellent synopsis of the actions of the murderous bunch of thugs.

the book was written in 1991 and it describes now pretty much exactly. horrifying.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 05:21 PM
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116. Great picture of poppy with the mannlicher
It looks more real than the one os Oswald.

Just wanted to kick this up.
:dem:
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 05:38 PM
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117. Bush, Nixon, Johnson, Hoover, all in Dallas 11-22-63 Hoover gets lifetime
Edited on Tue Aug-22-06 06:36 PM by LaPera
appointment as head of the FBI from LBJ shortly after JFK assassination.

Also in Dallas that same day...H L Hunt

Hunt also funded two right-wing radio shows, Facts Forum and Life Line. He used these radio stations to support the anti-communist campaign of Joseph McCarthy. He also helped to finance the political career of Lyndon B. Johnson. A member of the John Birch Society, Hunt was a close friend of Edwin Walker.

"On the eve of the assassination, Hoover and Nixon attended a meeting together at the Dallas home of (ultra-right wing Texan) oil baron Clint Murchison. Among the subjects discussed at this meeting were the political futures of Hoover and Nixon in the event President Kennedy was assassinated."

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKhuntHL.htm

Ex-CIA director Allen Dulles (whom JFK fired) and Republicans Arlen Spector & future appointed US President Gerald Ford all part of the Warren Commission "investigating" the JFK assassination.

Lifetime appointee, J Edgar Hoover (FBI) plays ball, goes along with the Commission report. (But also let's it be known, CIA George H L Bush was also in Dallas that day).

http://www.tarpley.net/bush8b.htm

Nixon has Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Armitage in administration posts during his presidency.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/pentagon/... /
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JunkYardDogg Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 08:44 PM
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126. JFK whacked because of Cuba-Felix Rodriguez likely involved
Google Felix Rodriguez
He was one of the Bay of Pigs Leaders and JFK pulled the Air Support from the mission. and they were doomed.
The assassination was payback to JFK.
Felix Rodriguez went on to become a Green Beret and after 'Nam , he fought Commies in Central and South America for many years. He participated in many Black Ops deals-
During Iran-Contra, there were reports of witnesses seeing him with Bush Sr. loading Coke into CIA planes in Central America, and he was allegedly deeply involved in the the Coke/Guns/Commie killing in Central/South America with Bush Sr., Negropointe, and the CIA.
Now, he is a member of the Swift Boat Scumbags for Fascism.
Guess who was involved in the Anthrax attacks on the Inquirer reporter who wrote about the Bush Cyclone Sisters, and the targeted Anthrax assassination attempts on Political opposition leaders when the Patriot Act was going to be presented to Congress.
And maybe Wellstone's plane crash.
When Bush Jr. owned the Houston baseball team, he was sued by one of the co-owners ( a very wealthy guy). Bush lost the lawsuit-a year later, the winner of the lawsuit against Bush Jr. died in the crash of his private plane.
Rodriguez might be an airplane mechanic also.
It is very interesting to find out that Daddy Bush was in Dallas when JFK was whacked.
Maybe Daddy Bush and Felix Rodriguez go back a long way-say 1973
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 11:31 AM
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137. Way back. Connected through Luis Posada Carriles...
...Poppy's favorite terrorist.



Cuban exile militant Luis Posada Carriles' CIA links 40 years ago in South Florida

July 1, 2006
Miami Herald

Posada's CIA ties uncovered in papers

Details have emerged about Cuban exile militant Luis Posada Carriles' CIA links 40 years ago in South Florida. One revelation: his tie to the agency's Miami bureau.


BY ALFONSO CHARDY AND OSCAR CORRAL
Miami Herald

Nearly four years after the failed CIA-backed Bay of Pigs invasion, Cuban exile militant Luis Posada Carriles continued to work for the spy agency, according to CIA files released to The Miami Herald.

His job: ''Training Branch Instructor'' for its Miami station, which then was responsible for intelligence-gathering missions into Cuba. He was part of the covert JMWAVE -- the code name for the CIA Miami bureau, which at the time operated within the University of Miami.

His tenure: March 26, 1965, to July 11, 1967.

SNIP...

In 1985, after Posada fled a Venezuelan jail where he was held in connection with the 1976 airliner attack, he turned up in El Salvador, working for a covert arms-resupply network for the Nicaraguan contras overseen by then National Security Council staff member Oliver North.

SNIP...

Another document, undated but marked ''SECRET'' and titled Updated Biographic Data, said Posada's ''termination'' as a JMWAVE ''CI,'' or confidential informant, came on July 11, 1967.

At the bottom of the document are handwritten notes listing references to Posada's contacts with his brother Roberto and the reputed gangster -- Frank ''Lefty'' Rosenthal. Another document says Posada believes that his other brother, Raul, is an engineer who ``works for the Cuban government.''

CONTINUED...

www.globalresearch.ca/PrintArticle.php?articleId=2711

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JunkYardDogg Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 01:53 PM
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130. This adds to the cover Up efforts
The perps did everything possible to create a trail away from Anti Castro Cubans, led by Felix Rodriguez
Their diversion program consisted of 2 parts:
1. To lend belief that the assassination was done by Pro-Communist Cubans, thus leading to formal U.S. military action against Cuba-
hence the setup of Lee Harvey Oswald-perfect set up scape goat
2. To create a false list of suspects diverting investigation away from
anti Castro activists and backers
A huge missing piece of the puzzle would be finding evidence that Bush Sr. knew Feliz Rodriguez at this time. Bush Sr. and Felizx led a lot of political opposition throughout Latin American in the '80s.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 03:03 PM
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131. Felix Rodriguez (aka Max Gomez) was Fulgencio
Batista's lieutenant. He is largely responsible for the capture of Che Guevarra.

It would sure be a good question to ask Poppy. It's a given that they knew each other back in the early 60's at least.
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JunkYardDogg Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 05:59 PM
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133. The guy's got enough names, eh
First time I heard about all those names
I think that he has gone by the name of Felix Rodriguez all these years
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 03:50 PM
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136. You have MADD posting SKILLZ!!
YOU ARE RADD!

Seriously, good stuff, once again.
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