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jmknapp Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:17 AM
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Ohio: distribution of voting machines by race
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 09:21 AM by jmknapp
People here have heard the allegations that minority precincts particularly in Franklin County, Ohio were shorted voting machines on Nov. 2nd. Jesse Jackson will be in Columbus today in fact at a rally bringing up that and other minority disenfranchisement issues.

What would be interesting would be to see a chart of how the voting machines were allocated as a function of the minority precent in a precinct. This would be somewhat hard to do, to correlate census tracts with precinct boundaries.

However, it occurs to me that a pretty good idea of such a breakdown could be gotten by simply looking at the percent the precinct went for Kerry. Precincts over 80% for Kerry are almost always largely black.

Furthermore, finer demographic distinctions can be obtained by looking at the percent voting for Issue 1, the gay marriage ban. Not to get into too much detail here, I have found that these two factors (Kerry support and Issue 1 support in a precinct) can be used to determine the following broad demographic categories:

rich white precincts: for Bush, against issue 1
rural/exurban white precincts: for Bush, for issue 1
liberal white precincts: for Kerry 50-80%, against issue 1
blue collar white precincts: for Kerry, for issue 1
black precincts: for Kerry >80%

Breaking down Franklin County's 788 precincts into the above five categories, and looking at the allocation of voting machines in each, the following result is obtained:

rich white precincts: 216 active voters per machine
rural/exurban white precincts: 218 active voters per machine
liberal white precincts: 234 active voters per machine
blue collar white precincts: 238 active voters per machine
black precincts: 252 active voters per machine








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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:23 AM
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1. I have thought for a long time that is what went on in Las Vegas...
they screwed the minority and poor vote. Good work on your part here. Keep moving. Perhaps contact Jesse Jackson?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:46 AM
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7. Vegas Machine v. Bank Machines
Is someone making an argument that if vote were money, it would be counted?

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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #7
32. Bill Maher said this on Larry King last week.
He said he wants the machines that count the money in Vegas to count the votes.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #7
59. hmmm, lonestarnot ...maybe the argument would be ...
if you have no money, your vote will be manipulated....
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 06:39 PM
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71. Here is the documentation you are looking for, by ward and precinct
Systematic Voter Suppression: STEALING VOTES IN COLUMBUS (malfeasance)

http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/columbus.htm

The Free Press on Election Day posted a disturbing story, later confirmed by the Columbus Dispatch. The Free Press reported that Franklin County Board of Elections Director Matt Damschroder deliberately withheld voting machines from predominantly black Democratic wards in Columbus, and dispersed some of the machines to affluent suburbs in Franklin County. Damschroder is the former Executive Director of the Franklin County Republican Party. Sources close to the Board of Elections told the Free Press that Damschroder and Ohios Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell met with President George W. Bush in Columbus on Election Day. The idea was to discourage turnout in Democratic wards by forcing voters to wait in long lines at the polling places. Such a strategy would be far more effective than encouraging turnout in Republican wards. Elections are all about margins. There are 74 wards in Columbus. George W. Bush won 12 wards, with a margin of 7.35%. John F. Kerry won 62 wards, with a margin of 37.62%. Affecting Kerrys turnout would greatly reduce his margin of victory in Columbus, giving the Republicans a much better chance of overtaking Kerry given a strong enough showing in suburban and small town Republican strongholds.

In order to investigate this matter, I obtained from the Franklin County Board of Elections all the data I needed in order to calculate, ward by ward, and precinct by precinct: (1) The ratio of registered voters per voting machine. (2) Percent turnout, calculated as total ballots cast divided by the number of registered voters. (3) Percent for Kerry, calculated as votes cast for Kerry divided by votes cast for president. (4) Margin of victory or defeat for Kerry, calculated as the difference between the vote totals for Kerry and Bush.

All 36 of the wards at the bottom of the list of voters per voting machine were won by Kerry, and they include most of his strongholds. In 29 of the 36 wards, Kerry exceeded his city wide share of 62.22% of the vote. However, these wards suffered a low voter turnout.It is important to understand what these numbers mean. The polls in Ohio were open from 6:30 A.M. to 7:30 P.M. That is 13 hours, or 780 minutes. If there are 400 registered voters per voting machine, and turnout is 60%, each voter has less than 3.5 minutes to vote, and that is assuming a steady stream of voters, with no rushes at certain hours. It also assumes no challenges to voters at the polls. If there are 550 registered voters per voting machine, and the turnout is 60%, each voter has 2.4 minutes. All of this amounts to theft of votes. It has been shown above that the Kerry precincts enjoyed a voter turnout similar to that of the Bush precincts when supplied with enough voting machines.

Thus I conclude that the withholding of voting machines from predominantly Democratic wards in the City of Columbus cost John Kerry upwards of 17,000 votes. A more detailed calculation could be done on a precinct by precinct basis, but that is not necessary here. The purpose is to illustrate the magnitude of the conspiracy. Matt Damschroder did not act alone. There are 74 wards and 472 precincts in Columbus, Ohio. It is not possible for one person to have delivered all the voting machines, and it is unlikely that nobody else was involved in planning where to deliver them. Anyone who associated with Mr. Damschroder on or shortly before Election Day should be investigated for possible complicity. Richard Hayes Phillips, Ph.D. 4 Fisher Street Canton, New York 13617 (315) 379-0820 richardhayesphillips@yahoo.com

Stealing Votes in Cleveland

http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/cleveland.htm

Indications of possible ballot box stuffing in Warren County, Ohio

http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/warren.htm

Favoritism in the Suburbs

http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/suburbs.htm

Analysis Indicates Kerry could win Ohio with a "fair process" and fair vote count

http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/uncounted.htm

www.flcv.com/ohiov04.html

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #71
81. And another kick for lil.. Aren't your toes sore from all of that kicking?
:yourock: :kick:
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Lil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 07:55 PM
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82.  I have a very soft heart/strong kick for researchers! After 2000 . . .
. . . a partner and I spent hundreds of hours on researching FL fraud. It was never used, probably because it was AFTER the fact. So I want to do everything I can to push all that's being done now - NOW - hopefully before it's a done deal. :-)
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lawladyprof Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:40 AM
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16. Screwing the poor won't get you far in court, A'h but that minority
precinct disparity will get you before da judge. In other words, we have a winner. And, as I wrote to another member, it is good PR-wise. Noble citizens struggling to do their civic duty in the rain and cold. What is the party affiliation of the person who allocates the machines?
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Chili Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:46 AM
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17. good question
...my guess is Republican, since the state is run by Republicans top to bottom. Not to say that some Democrats don't function within the system (they do, but I'm ignorant on this part)... I want to know who the "precinct judges" are. Who are they? Wouldn't they know to make sure the machines are up to par? Or no? Or is that done on another level by a group that never even sees the inside of the polling places on election day? I wouldn't know... but I do know that, as far as authorized people at the polls, there were lots of complaints that the poll workers couldn't see well, couldn't walk steadily because they were elderly. They'd have no responsibility over that, and wouldn't know what to do. Volunteers too.

Note, too, that one voter called in and said he'd told the precinct judge at this polling place that the punchcard machine wasn't recording the votes correctly, and probably hadn't been all day. The precinct judge told him to "shush" and not discuss it with the other voters. Incredible.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #16
60. in Nevada the SOS is a Republican and he openly lobbied for Bush
and the county clerk Lomax, I believe is also a republican....
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MrUnderhill Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:24 AM
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2. How was the number of "active voters" determined?
If it was based on THIS election's turnout... that could just mean a turnout issue.

If it's based on the last few elections averaged... it's more usable.
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jmknapp Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:27 AM
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3. Active voters
The "active voter" definition is someone who has voted in the last two elections. Thus, turnout is factored in.
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jbond56 Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:38 AM
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6. machines per
Can you add how many machines fall in each category?

It would be interesting to calculate how many Americans were affected simply by machine distribution.


Nice work. I think this shows how a poll tax works in an ownership society.
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MrUnderhill Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:04 AM
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10. "affected by machine distribution"
To some extent... this is going to impact ALL elections under he current system.

In most states (at least until 2000), the machines are the responsibility of the county. So wealthier counties are more likely to have the more sophisticated voting systems, while punch-cards are more likely in the poorer areas. That means that - even with equivelent numbers of machines - you're going to have longer lines in poorer (read "minority") areas.

There's also a budget issue involved with the NUMBER of machines.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:30 AM
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61. the poorer counties in Nevada got brand spanking new Sequoias
with printers, they are largely republican, and the money came from the HAVA program, it was grant money to the state of Nevada SOS who then bought the machines and put his will on the people of Nevada and forced them on the state. Except for LV, primarily Dem, he didn't get new machines for them and the county couldn't afford it so they used the old electronic machines without printers. Go figure. LV has a very high number of minorities compared to the rest of the state.
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MarkusQ Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 07:21 PM
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80. But that misses the point!

The problem with using only people who were able to vote in the last two elections is that it causes you to grossly understate the problem.

Suppose, for example there were a huge precinct with 10,000,000 registered voters. And suppose that they were given only one machine to vote on, leading to a 10 hour long line by the time the polls closed. If they took, on average, 6 minutes to vote in the most recent election, there would be (12+10) hours * 60 minutes/hour / (6 minutes/vote) = 22*60/6 = 220 "active" voters on that one machine--even though there were hundreds of thousands of people who could not vote because the line was too long.

By looking only at "active" voters and not turned-away voters, you miss a lot of the problem.

--MarkusQ
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:31 AM
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4. Active voters per machine?
where did you get your AV/Machine data. Did you use the Franklin county BOE spreadsheet that is being passed around and take averages. I am not being critical but the numbers seem to be a litte different. I live in BEX 1B white, only BEX to go for bush (sorry guys I tried) and we had 139 av/machine. If you do not have the BOE spreadsheet you should. It has been sent to CASEOhio, FreePress, Rainbow coalition, and many other prog groups.
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jmknapp Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:38 AM
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5. Active voters again
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 09:51 AM by jmknapp
I am using data from the spreadsheet you refer to.

Bexley 1B falls in the "rich white" category--for Bush, against issue 1. While Bexley 1B had 571/3 or 190 av/m, there are a number of other "rich white" precincts in Columbus, notably Upper Arlington and Worthington, which bring the average up to 216 av/m for the "rich white" category. They don't rate as high as the governor's precinct perhaps. Your 139 figure for Bexley 1B is actual voters per machine which is not the correct figure to use in evaluating machine allocation. The BOE uses (supposedly) the active voter measure.

Even so, not as bad as the black precincts which averaged 252 av/m.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:59 AM
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8. Different data
Is this the 17 page spread sheet? I obtained a spread sheet from someone at Franklin County BOE on 11/15 with I quickly disseminated. BEX 1B had 2004 active voters per machine as 190 (571 Active Voter and 3 machines). The ss also indicates 2004 Voters per Machine, which for BEX 1B is 139. Are we using the same data?
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jmknapp Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:02 AM
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9. Yes, same data
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Chili Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:08 AM
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11. also seriously manipulated in Cuyahoga County
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 10:14 AM by Chili
go here for the raw data: https://voteprotect.org/index.php?display=EIRMapCounty&...

In 34 precincts - THIRTY-FOUR! - in Cuyahoga County, most of them black communities, there were punchcard machines down all day. These precincts started out with too few machines, and as the day wore on, it got worse and worse as the machines "broke" down. One precinct even shut down completely, it had no working machines.

Here's the thread about it:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

(if you click on the links on that thread and you get blank pages, it's because I'm working on them...)

PS: Here are the precincts (no correct precinct names/#'s because the analysts manning the phones at the EIR helpline rarely asked for precinct #, but we do have the neighborhood names):

10304 Miles Ave.
17806 Euclid Ave.
3 booths down (precinct unknown)
78th & Euclid
Alexander Graham Bell school
Addison Public Library
Alexia Manor
Anton Elementary School
Canaan Miss. Bapt. Church
Chambers Elem.
Church of God / Union
Cleveland Hts H.S.
Computech School
E. 32nd St.
Elmwood Elementary
Emiritus House Sr. Ctr.
Forest Hill apts.
Health Career Ctr
Henry Longfellow School
Lee-Harvard Com. Ctr.
Louisa May Alcott
Marion Sterling
Mercer School
Miles Elementary
Morning Star Baptist Ch.
Moses Cleveland School
Mt. Olive Bapt. Church
Parma Regional Library
Rainbow Place
St. Timothy / Garfield
Starlight Baptist Church
Steven E. Howe Elementary
Werner U.M.Church
Zelma George Rec. Ctr.

(it appears that I can't count - fixed error)
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jmknapp Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:24 AM
Response to Reply #11
12. We really need some data on Cuyahoga machines
Both distribution and breakdown stats.

This chart of ballot spoilage (ballots with no valid vote for president) indicates the problems with machines in minority precincts in Cuyahoga--recalling that >80% Kerry precincts are largely black:

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Chili Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:30 AM
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14. exactly...!
...Because punchcard machines can't really "break down." Either the chads build up under the grid, or the stylus breaks (there was a report, called in by a precinct judge because the Bd of E was of no help, that his/her precinct had two broken styluses...).

If the chads had filled the trays underneath the grid (I think they're called trays) then the ballots will have that dimpled chad effect, and subsequently THROWN OUT. There's your spoilage, or a lot of it. And if it was intentionally done - sending either old machines to these precincts, or the trays had been deliberately neglected - or worse, some obstruction was added underneath the grid(very easily done), then you have what amounts to fraud.
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rdmccur Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #12
83. Have you sent any of your graphics (and data)
to Arnebeck or anyone else in Ohio? How about BBV?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:26 AM
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13. they might not have used averages in placement.
Data from the Franklin County BOE indicates they used:
401-699 arv-3machines
700-849 arv-4 machines
850-999 arv-5 machines
1000+ arv-6-10 machines.
They should have distributed the machines evenly using a total ARV/total machine. Yes there were certainly machine shortages, but if it was evenly distributed it would have been fair. But they didn't do this. For example, I followed Cols 25B (Linden) because I canvassed the area. they had 1135 active voters yet only 3 machines (and some broke down) . I am not an expert in statistics, but if they placed machines not by averages, but chose a couple of highly concentrated dem areas(which 25 B is), short machined them, sent them faulty equipment, maybe they would think we wouldn't notice. All I am saying is the averages don't necessarily represent just how bad the effects really were. What do others think?

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Chili Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #13
15. I agree with you...
I wish I had the precinct #'s for those precincts I listed. I'll bet I could figure out most of them, or find out, but at the moment, I don't have time, I have to work on something else... I will get to it later on today, though. Once the precinct #'s are known, we could easily match up the # of registered voters in the precincts. Fortunately, some of the callers counted the booths in the polling places, so we have some data to go on...
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jmknapp Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #15
20. Here are the Cuyahoga problem precincts
place: 10304 Miles Ave. precinct(s): Cleveland 2c
place: 17806 Euclid Ave. (17608) precinct(s): Cleveland 10d 10g 10n 10q 10r 10s
place: 3 booths down (precinct unknown) precinct(s): ??
place: 78th & Euclid (same Rainbow Place below?) precinct(s): ??
place: Alexander Graham Bell school precinct(s): Cleveland 6s
place: Addison Public Library precinct(s): Cleveland 7t 7x
place: Alexia Manor precinct(s): Cleveland 5c 5j
place: Anton Elementary School precinct(s): Cleveland 5t 5u
place: Canaan Miss. Bapt. Church precinct(s): Cleveland 1d 1e
place: Chambers Elem. precinct(s): East Cleveland 4a 4f 4h
place: Church of God / Union precinct(s): Cleveland 3e 3q
place: Cleveland Hts H.S. precinct(s): Cleveland Heights 2j 2h
place: Computech School precinct(s): Cleveland 8q 8r
place: E. 32nd St. precinct(s): Cleveland 13d 13e
place: Elmwood Elementary precinct(s): Garfield Height 2c 2d 5a 5b
place: Emiritus House Sr. Ctr. precinct(s): Euclid 4d
place: Forest Hill apts. precinct(s): East Cleveland 3h
place: Health Career Ctr precinct(s): Cleveland 13d 13e
place: Henry Longfellow School precinct(s): Cleveland 10l 10u
place: Lee-Harvard Com. Ctr. precinct(s): Cleveland 1k 1l
place: Louisa May Alcott precinct(s): Cleveland 18c 18g 19p
place: Marion Sterling precinct(s): Cleveland 5a 5s
place: Mercer School precinct(s): Shaker Heights 0x 0y 0jj
place: Miles Elementary precinct(s): Cleveland 2j 2s
place: Morning Star Baptist Ch. precinct(s): Cleveland 6p 6x
place: Moses Cleveland School precinct(s): Cleveland 1b 1c 1w
place: Mt. Olive Bapt. Church precinct(s): Cleveland 3c 3d
place: Parma Regional Library precinct(s): Parma 5b
place: Rainbow Place precinct(s): Cleveland 6a
place: St. Timothy / Garfield precinct(s): Garfield Heights 1c 1d 1e
place: Starlight Baptist Church precinct(s): East Cleveland 3a
place: Steven E. Howe Elementary precinct(s): Cleveland 9j 9m
place: Werner U.M.Church precinct(s): Cleveland 6n 6q
place: Zelma George Rec. Ctr. precinct(s): Cleveland 3a
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Chili Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #20
22. YES!
Thank you thank you thank you THANK YOU!

I will work on this today!

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jmknapp Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #22
25. Not to steal your thunder
but I was able to fairly easily plug those precincts into my Cuyahoga spreadhseet.

Here is a spreadsheet with the just the problem precincts:

http://copperas.com/cuyahoga/cuyprobs.xls

Overall, the precincts you listed as problem precincts had a 50% turnout and went 89% for Kerry.

Here's a map showing the precinct locations:



And a map showing the percent black in the county:


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Chili Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #25
26. well, damn!
Steal my thunder all you want! It would've taken me days just to plug in the figures, not to mention that I'm graph-challenged!

:yourock:

I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to link these to my site later on today? And you will of course get full credit!
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Chili Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. wait, I have a request, LOL
...can you superimpose that precinct map with the 2nd one? ...with black dots or something showing the precincts on the 2nd map?

Yeah!
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jmknapp Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. OK
But it'll take a while. I'm going out to Jesse's rally.

Joe
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Chili Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #28
29. wonderful!
Please give us a report when you get back!

I wish I could've gone...
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jmknapp Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. OK here's the racial map
With precincts marked in blue that reported voting problems to voteprotect.org

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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. wow. I'd like a statistical analysis on the likelyhood of that
happening by chance or coincidence.


Thanks for the graph. Jim Crow is alive and well.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #33
62. Holy smoke!! This is amazing! Good work to all of you!
I am thoroughly disgusted!!!
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LeftLobe Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #31
36. Holy Cuyahoga County! This beautiful chart/map hybrid says it all...
This is Prima-In-Your-Facia Evidence if I ever saw it
-- and I ceased being a 'spring chicken' a few decades ago.
You people are amazing!
Thank you for keeping hope (and sanity) alive!
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #36
37. Holy Shit
I love that chart. Talk about something even a 3 year old could understand!

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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 09:31 AM
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58. Welcome to DU Leftlobe!
Thanks for your reassuring comments about the validity of this case and welcome, welcome to DU! I joined a few days after the election and I can fully understand your gratitude to the longtime members of this group. These people are amazing!

:kick:
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #36
64. Hi LeftLobe!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Critical Thinker Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #31
39. Outstanding graphic !
Really excellent work, jmknapp!

Nominated for homepage...
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Chili Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 12:09 AM
Response to Reply #31
40. OUTSTANDING!!!
This is EXCELLENT! Thank you so much!!! I am definitely posting this on my site! It shows clearly that deliberate suppression of the vote went on - if this isn't proof, I don't know what is.
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 01:13 AM
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41. Kick
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lawladyprof Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:09 AM
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18. Does this help? Precinct level demographics
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jmknapp Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:24 AM
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21. Yes, terrific n/t
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Chili Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:38 AM
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23. WOW!
What a great resource! THANK YOU TOO! I've added that to my site, too!
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mulethree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 05:38 PM
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51. Lovely! But I don't see precinct-level
Edited on Mon Nov-29-04 05:44 PM by mulethree
for Columbus, at least its all done at the cencus block-group level.

"FairVote2020 has developed an interactive map showing voter registration rates in Ohio communities and neighborhoods as of the summer of 2003. Boundaries for the thematic display are based on census block groups rather than precinct lines because there is no publicly available statewide geographic precinct database -- current or historical"

For Franklin county, I have yet to find anything that maps the voting precincts and wards or even any description of their geography :(

Cuyahoga has a great precinct map on their elections website, but nothing so far for Franklin county.

Has anyone else found that?
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lawladyprof Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:11 AM
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19. I've posted a link to this thread in the Equal Protection thread-eom
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:02 PM
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24. machine disparity
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 12:12 PM by KaliTracy
This is just a link to something I posted about my experience here in West Chester, Ohio.... (Bush Rallied here, right down the street to 50,000 followers....)

I was so mad the day after the election because of the machine disparity (noted in the letter) that I emailed *lots* of outlets (including the Ohio ACLU) with a version of this letter... As you will see in the letter -- my initial correspondence with the Democratic Headquarters in surrounding areas told me it was because we used punch card machines, and they are less expensive...

tracy

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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lawladyprof Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:05 PM
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30. Kick
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Lil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 07:00 PM
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34. Thanks, Joe for your hard work. I will keep this kicked to the top.
also, you might want to put it in the Voting Issues Thread. Among other things, it moves more slowly.

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... >
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Lil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 08:27 PM
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35. A big kick for this
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jdog Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:09 PM
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38. Ubelievable! Kick!
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 01:21 AM
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42. kick
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Lil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 03:38 AM
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43. Knapp's map from post #31 is also on Voting Issues Forum as a thread
Just fyi - in case you want easy access to it.

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... >
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:27 AM
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44. Nice Work! Is there anyway that you can correlate "registered voters"....
within these precinct categories, as compared to actual voters??


:-)
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lawladyprof Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:02 PM
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47. If you are working off discriminatory allocation of machines
it would probably be sufficient to get the racial demographics of the precinct compared to the county as a whole.
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 07:38 PM
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52. :-) No! I am only looking for a KISS! Parsimony!!!!!......
First I want to see Precincts (voter Registration V. Number of Machines).....PERIOD!

:-)
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lawladyprof Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 02:38 PM
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45. Kick
N/T
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LeftLobe Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 03:25 PM
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46. Kick! n/t
Kick!
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Chili Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:21 PM
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48. jmknapp...
I'm working on that suppression page, and using your great graph:

http://shadowbox.i8.com/Suppression/ohio/ohiomachines.h...

Before I shoot this out to any media, is there any angle I'm neglecting? It's a huge and intimidating issue, and I want it to make sense to any reader. Let me know if it's helpful (and that goes for any of you reading this too)

Thanks much for your help!

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lawladyprof Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 05:15 PM
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49. I believe that they were probably allocated old machines but that would
be slow to assemble evidence for. It's the number of machines that would be the fastest to assemble data for. And you wouldn't have to do much. Just get Cuyahoga county Black/White demographics. Then, precincts. Pick say 10 or 20 randomly. How many machines (machines per registered voters)? Majority Black? majority White? Differ from Cuyahoga County demographics overall? If these 10 or 20 show a pattern, you have a bullseye or at least enough to say keep going.
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jmknapp Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 11:20 PM
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56. No machine allocation data
...from Cuyahoga is available as far as I know.

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lawladyprof Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 05:29 PM
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50. Or it might be simpler to start with Franklin County
since you know the number of machines per precinct. All you need is demographics of that precinct rather than what/who they voted for with speculation about what it makes them. I had a post that gave a web site/URL with precinct level demographics.
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jmknapp Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 11:17 PM
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54. Franklin lines -- race map
Here's a similar chart for Franklin:

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mulethree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:55 PM
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66. Missing? post looks empty
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Lil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:31 PM
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53. Knapp, Do you know if Jesse Jackson has your data? n/t
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jmknapp Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 11:19 PM
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55. No, but chili has it up on a web site
Maybe that link could be sent to Jackson.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:42 AM
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63. Send your OH data to the lawyer
Cliff Arnebeck arnebeck@aol.com

He is the litigator. Jackson is the attention getter.
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lawladyprof Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:03 AM
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57. Kick
N/T
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:39 PM
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65. kick
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Lil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 02:15 AM
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67. kick to the top
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Lil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 10:42 PM
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68. NEW!! Certified Cuyahoga Results spreadsheet
jmknapp (187 posts) Thu Dec-02-04 11:18 PM
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Certified Cuyahoga Results spreadsheet (Excel)


Here's a spreadsheet which includes the election night unofficial results for Cuyahoga County, the just-certified official result, and a computation of the differences between the two:

http://copperas.com/cuyahoga/cuyahogaofficial.zip (zipped Excel file)

Included are polling places and location (lat/lon) of the precincts.

Joe

==========

DU thread

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... >
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Lil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 05:13 AM
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69. another kick to the top
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 06:06 PM
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70. kick
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Lil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 11:19 PM
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73. kick - too good to lose
Edited on Fri Dec-03-04 11:20 PM by Lil
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Lil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 06:44 PM
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72. By Knapp: Map of "Ballot spoilage in Cuyahoga County": DU link below
(just in case you missed this map as I did)
--------
jmknapp (192 posts) Tue Nov-30-04 11:29 AM

"Ballot spoilage in Cuyahoga County

This map shows the Cuyahoga County precincts where spoiled ballots (those deemed to not have a valid vote for president) exceeded 3% of the total ballots:"

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... >

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Lil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 05:49 PM
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75. Kick for OH demonstrators!!
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Lil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 06:34 PM
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76. Kick for the 1:1000 machine/voter ratio discussed at Columbus Rally
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Lil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 10:52 PM
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77. Kick for the recount!
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Lil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:34 AM
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78. back to the top for OH researchers
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Lil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 06:41 PM
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79. Valuable inf. for OH researchers
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rdmccur Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 08:15 PM
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84. Atty Arnebeck
should be sent that as well! (asap)
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floridadem30 Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 11:27 PM
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74. Good analysis
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