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Melissa G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 10:27 PM Original message |
Steve Freeman Summary of Debate |
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rdmccur (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
1. Good to see Freeman |
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Melissa G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 11:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Kinda funny how rigorous Mitofsky is about some things and |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 05:55 AM Response to Reply #4 |
14. source, please? |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
30. Perhaps Melissa is referring to Mitofsky's January report |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 08:57 PM Response to Reply #30 |
46. I don't know what to say |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 09:24 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Here's what I think |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 01:53 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. OK, I take your point, and here's what I think |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-05 06:40 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. I suppose it's a matter of perspective |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-05 08:27 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. actually, let's consider the title page of the document |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-05 09:01 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Ok, that's a good point about the title -- at least partially |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 06:28 AM Response to Reply #67 |
74. well, I don't think that the report was written in "code" |
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Melissa G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 02:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
32. Hi OTOH, okay it was late...I was not complete in my post |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 09:05 PM Response to Reply #32 |
47. umm, I would skip the part that is sort of like innuendo-- |
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Melissa G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 10:37 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. There was also this ESI press release that Mitofsky coordinated with |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 04:27 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. I do think there is a potential for misunderstanding here |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 02:00 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. "kills the fraud argument" |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 08:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
43. OK, so Mitofsky admits there "May or may not have been fraud" |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 09:14 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. sure -- he is Mr. Exit Poll, not Mr. Election |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 11:25 PM Response to Reply #48 |
60. But then, why does Mitofsky either use himself or allow himself to |
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Melissa G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 11:38 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. example of cocksure Mitofsky post in advance of OTOH asking.. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-05 08:13 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. but... but... |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-05 06:59 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Land Shark |
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Melissa G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
2. Link to article mentioned in Summary |
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Melissa G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 11:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Freeman lettter to editor in response to article |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 03:03 AM Response to Reply #3 |
12. GREAT LETTER! Go, Stephen! Where can we get the book? |
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Melissa G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 09:32 AM Response to Reply #12 |
20. Hi PP! |
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althecat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 04:03 AM Response to Reply #3 |
13. This Would Be A Disaster..... there is an election in 13 Months... |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 12:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
25. That's a great letter, easy to understand, and very persuasive. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
31. Excellent. I hope more journos pick up on his work. |
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Carolab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 12:26 AM Response to Original message |
5. Good. |
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Melissa G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 12:35 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Hi Carolab! Hope so! Hope a whole bunch of folks start looking... |
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Carolab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 12:42 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Hi, Melissa G! |
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Helga Scow Stern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 12:34 AM Response to Original message |
6. Nominated. Thanks for posting this! |
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Melissa G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 12:47 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Hi Ojai Person! Writing a book is a big commitment! |
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texpatriot2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:22 AM Response to Original message |
10. Thank you Mr. Freeman. nm |
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Nothing Without Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 02:58 AM Response to Original message |
11. Recommended with thanks. Here's a thread announcing the debate: |
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freedomfries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 07:35 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. KICK & REC |
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CalmMan (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 08:07 AM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Transcript |
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Melissa G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 09:48 AM Response to Reply #11 |
22. Here is a link to the Text and slides and DU discussion from Freeman |
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Chi (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
16. Thanx Melissa! |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 08:06 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. I sorta wish that last part were true |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 08:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
44. Of course then the exit polls don't buttress a Fair Election conclusion |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 08:48 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. huh? |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 11:24 AM Response to Reply #16 |
24. "Funny how he has no problem with sharing |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:08 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. And your meaning is? |
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Chi (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 05:01 PM Response to Reply #26 |
39. Rephrase |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 05:28 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Well, who? |
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Chi (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 10:42 PM Response to Reply #41 |
51. There ya go |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 04:17 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Correction: |
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Chi (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 09:06 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. As I understood it... |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 09:52 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Well, maybe you did |
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Chi (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 10:45 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Here ya go... |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-05 07:24 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. Sorry, I don't understand |
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Chi (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-05 10:09 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. That's OK...I can live with that. |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-05 02:34 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Chi |
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Chi (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-05 07:43 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Febble |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-05 07:55 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. OK, peace, then |
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Melissa G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-05 08:35 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Febble, for the record I have never seen Chi attack a person |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 01:42 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Sure |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 06:25 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. I have to say |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 08:30 AM Response to Original message |
19. kick and recommended! |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
21. This raises an obvious question |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
23. I think we have to raise funds to do our own exit polls - |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Quite a few statisticians |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:37 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Trouble is, I don't believe them - Huh? |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 03:20 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Fritz Scheuren |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 04:06 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Febble - EL - I am delighted to meeet you! |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 01:40 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Febble - |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 03:10 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Well I have and do |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 04:22 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. The exit poll discrepancy was not primarily due to vote-switching fraud... |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 04:39 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Well, thanks, IndyOp |
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rdmccur (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 04:54 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Febble |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 05:08 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Thanks |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 06:49 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Online debate - Interesting! |
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