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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 08:42 AM
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Top Clinton Donors Meet with McCain Camp
The Wall Street Journal reports that Carly Fiorina, former Hewlett-Packard CEO and senior adviser to Sen. John McCain, met with a group of 25 prominent supporters and fundraisers for Sen. Hillary Clinton at a private home in Westchester County, NY. The group included several so-called "Hillraisers," each of whom have raised in excess of $100,000 for Clinton's failed primary campaign. The meeting was repeatedly sought by the Hillary supporters and is at least the second such meeting between backers of Clinton and the McCain campaign.

An organizer of the meeting, Amy Siskind, said that the pro-Hillary groups represented pledged to help deliver, "hundreds of thousands and maybe millions of votes," to McCain if the groups find areas of agreement between themselves and his campaign.


http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/07/17/top-cl... /
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/07/16/mccain-surroga... /
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 08:44 AM
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1. It's kinda like being a superdelegate. Whoever buys the best liquor and prostitutes, wins! nt
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 08:51 AM
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5. Some of these Hillraisers had dubious backgrounds to begin with
So it doesn't surprise me.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 08:56 AM
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12. It'd be interesting to know what industries these fundraisers work for.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:02 AM
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17. I'm sure the Rothchild banking interests are involved.
plus the guy that owns Telemundo.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:04 AM
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21. You forgot the Bildebergers if you're going in for conspiracy theories.
Too bad David Rockefeller is dead.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:08 AM
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26. the one woman's last name is Rothschild. But I think she personally is telecommunications
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:28 AM
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45. She sold the majority of her banking interests before it was hit
She has huge interests in India.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:40 AM
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48. Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild--and she called Obama an "Elitist"
LOL

Big Hillraiser, she's been making the MSM rounds about the 18 million (will that ever end?) voters and her new site together4us (yet another site).

It's a crying shame, cryingshame!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HillRaiser

:hi:
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:14 AM
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33. You make a good observation here. nt
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:48 AM
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51. Norman Hsu, convicted slimeball. These people are so wealthy that it
..doesn't even matter to them who wins, a McCain win would make them wealthier so why shouldn't they support him?

Hmmm, maybe they only loved Hillary Clinton for the influence their money would have bought them.

Ya think?

Seriously, for all her "progressive" bs, do you really think Bill and Hill are friends of the working class?

It's easy to tax to death everyone to install a sorry socialized health plan that perpetuates the existing broken system when you've got 100+ million and all your wealthy friends.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:50 AM
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52. Bill Clinton actually reversed regressive taxes to make them more progressive.
Changing the 24 year slide that preceded him.

Yes, the Clintons care about the working class. Why do you think Hillary Clinton won all the Big Blue States that vote Democratic in presidential elections?
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:55 AM
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58. Oh, let's see, name recognition, she's not black, successful smearing of
her opponent.

The real question is how did she manage to lose so magnificently against a skinny black dude named Hussein Obama?

Winning the big blue states. Really.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 11:54 AM
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81. SNAP!!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 11:57 AM
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82. They may be that wealthy but
they have no soul. What a bunch of hypocritical losers.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 12:02 PM
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83. That is a fact. Only a small number of the megawealthy have souls.
Some number of the wealthy raise the living standards of those beneath them, but very few.

Screw the Hillblazers.
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PatGund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 11:17 AM
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76. Well, if Lady Lynn is there......
If Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild, Lady Rothschild is there, then there will be at least ONE Bildeberger there. (She was introduced to her future husband by Henry Kissenger at a Bildeberger conference.)
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:53 AM
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56. Yes, it would. nt
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 08:47 AM
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2. It's baffling how anyone could ever trust the Clintons!
They are trying to undermine and destroy Obama behind the scenes. I don't trust them!
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 08:53 AM
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8. BS. These are pissed-off Clinton supporters, disregarding what HRC and Bill have said.
But because the primary race was so close, HRC should be on the ticket, and Obama ignores all the millions of votes she got at great risk to what should be a Democratic victory in the GE.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:06 AM
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24. Stories like this are to extort a VP spot. How many votes on name ID?
The GOP are swimming in money and don't need ours.

Hillary could stop this if she wanted. But as in 2004, the Clintons' need outweighed electing Kerry, and we're held hostage eight years now. How many more?

Am curious what industries, though, which would think their bread buttered better by Hill and Bill.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:27 AM
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44. That's why her office spoke out about this
Edited on Fri Jul-18-08 09:28 AM by ruggerson
type of idiocy.



"A spokesperson for Sen. Clinton implicitly distanced the candidate from Lieberman's effort, telling the Huffington Post: "Senator Clinton fully supports Senator Obama. She continues to urge all of her supporters to get behind him. ... She continues to do everything she can to rally folks behind him. We don't support any effort that doesn't."



It's terribly sad that the truth doesn't match your bullshit.


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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:35 AM
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47. Brinkley and Woodward's book described 2004 maneuvering.
I also know from the 2004 campaign.

The above statement doesn't tell me she made phone calls, or implored her very close NY network, etc. If not pushing for the VP with this, what are they doing?
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 10:02 AM
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61. Woodward's a right-wing shill. nt
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 10:25 AM
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72. True, but Carville never denied.
Edited on Fri Jul-18-08 10:30 AM by MarjorieG
I think both Obama and the Clintons are political animals, always maximizing their chances. Just when I think of the last four years, Katrina, the war, and if we'd had a concerted effort by all the Dems (not sitting and waiting for Clinton), we'd have had an amazing John Kerry. The Clinton team undermined it then, during and soon after, to better their chances. That went beyond politics in its consequences for me.

They supported Bush's war, defending his motives during 2004. Sorry...
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 01:15 PM
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88. PLEASE! That's a page straight out of the Rovian playbook!
Edited on Fri Jul-18-08 01:17 PM by Liberal_Stalwart71
She allows her surrogates, three of which are now shills for Faux Noise (Lanny Davis, Harold Wolfson, Gerri Ferraro), to go out, bash and trash Obama while she sits back allowing them to do her dirty work and claims to be above the fray. The Clintons learned from Rove watching him bury McSame in South Carolina in 2000 while Bush stood back and allowed it. They watched as Bud Day and the Shitboat Liars sullied John Kerry's military record while The Deserter claimed ignorance. And now McSame is doing the same, allowing the smears to continue while claiming to admonish them.

Yes, Hillary and Bill could work harder to shut their surrogates up, convince the PUMA's that McSame doesn't have their best interests at heart, and work with her so-called 18 million voters and big monied interests to help alleviate her debt. But no...that's Obama's job? This man has shown her nothing but deference and respect. And what does she do for him? Strong arm her donors to not give to him and continue to allow her crazy-ass supporters to continue their divisive tactics against the Democratic nominee who won FAIR AND SQUARE!!
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 10:08 AM
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64. Obama has millions of those votes.
He's running on a platform of changing Washington. Unless his definition of change includes a trip back to 1990s, I don't think the Clintons are going to be on the ticket.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 01:06 PM
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87. How is Obama ignoring her voters. Looks like it's the other way around...
The disrespect is coming from one direction and it ain't from Obama's!
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 08:53 AM
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9. It's baffling how anyone could confuse the Clintons with these renegade idiots
Do you confuse Jesse Jackson, and the idiotic things that he says, with the Obamas? Or is your "confusion" only limited to the Clintons?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 08:57 AM
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14. I don't think we know enough about the fundraisers & their relationship (or lack of one) w/Clinton
and that's coming from me, someone who doesn't give the Clintons' much lee-way.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:17 AM
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38. They've taken more hits and thrown more punches for the Democratic Party than most folks.
Edited on Fri Jul-18-08 09:18 AM by MookieWilson
Even when the Democratic congress didn't defend President Clinton OR his attempts at progressive policies in 1993.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 10:14 AM
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67. I'm with you.
I don't trust them either. I don't necessarily think what they are saying in public is what they are saying in private.
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AZSlacker Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 08:48 AM
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3. Get on board the "straight talk" express folks!
Edited on Fri Jul-18-08 08:48 AM by AZSlacker
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 08:49 AM
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4. Areas of agreement
I guess they'll disregard all of the areas of disagreement, particularly those areas that deal with women's issues. It's so ironic that they would support a person who has said many sexist and misogynistic things because they were upset with the sexists, misogynistic things directed at Hillary.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 08:52 AM
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7. Its not about sexism its about corporate control
Don't fool yourself,
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:17 AM
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39. good point
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:51 AM
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53. Agree. nt
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 08:51 AM
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6. The sooner Obama asks HRC to be his running mate, the better.
The primary race was very close, and it's extremely important that he not create the impression that he thinks he can ignore Clinton and her supporters.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 08:54 AM
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11. This is about corporate control over the next government

These aren't the 'common folks' these are the multimillionaires.
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 08:59 AM
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15. Evidently, you, like those supporters....
Want Obama to lose.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:06 AM
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25. No, I want the party to win, and though I would have preferred a Clinton/Obama ticket to an
Obama/Clinton ticket, it's been obvious for quite a while that the best chance for party unity, so we can beat McCain in November, is a unity ticket. Clinton clearly realized that months ago. Obama is hurting his own chances, and our party's, by not acknowledging just how much support Clinton has and asking her to be his running mate.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:08 AM
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27. I would have supported a Clinton Presidency
Edited on Fri Jul-18-08 09:09 AM by Jake3463
However I never would have been in favor of an Obama Vice Presidency.

I'm not interested in having my pick for President neutered for 4-8 years in the most useless office the government has.

I don't understand why former Hillary supporters are so pro an idea where their candidate can be marginalized and put aside.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:06 AM
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23. Nope
These people obviously aren't doing the wait and see.

They paid for their spot at the table and their reservation has been cancelled. They know they won't be getting a new spot under an Obama administration.

These are either DLC slime trying to lose the election to retake control at or these are people who bought access in the 1990s and want that access back and have little regard for the party or policies in power.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:20 AM
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40. These idiots make such an occurence
less and less likely.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:20 AM
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41. isn't going to happen...
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 10:10 AM
Response to Reply #6
66. not ever going to happen, highplainsdude
in fact, shit like this even makes it less likely if that is possible.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 10:18 AM
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69. That's the last thing he should do.
Giving in to the demands of Hillary's anti-party and troublemaking supporters would only make him look weak. And there is still the problem of Bill. This kind of behavior from some of Hillary's TOP supporters makes some people at least wonder if the Clinton's aren't behind it. That type of anti-party behavior should never be rewarded.

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madura Donating Member (239 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 12:28 PM
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86. if he gives into this blackmail i will think much less of him.
what the fuck does he need her for?
have you seen the california numbers? looks like california is still as blue as blue with obama as the nominiee and not turning red as Hillary and her posse threatened.

fuck this is maddening.

she would be a thorn as vp, her and her husband both. stick her anywhere but not vp, no fucking way no how. not with the way she disrespected Obama during the campaign - what she think we have short memories - as short as the repugs for all the shit they pull over and over and get away with it.

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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 08:53 AM
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10. let those 25 people go, free as the wind., I say.
If they think McCain is a better fit for their values and policies, so be it. Sorry, I'll have to see the millions of votes they will deliver before I believe it.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 08:57 AM
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13. If they are willing to back McCain
Were they ever really Dems to begin with?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:03 AM
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18. No
I'd like to take a look at their donation history and see if any other politian got donations other than those in the Clinton circle. These were never democratic donors these were people part of the Clinton power brokering machine of the 1990s or since.
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pollo poco Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 11:51 AM
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80. nope
They are the super rich illuminati overlords who are used to deciding whether the blue team or the red team wins.
It was the blue team's turn, but we threw a wrench into their usual smooth works by supporting the wrong team captain.
So, off to the red team they go.

I don't think they are under Hillary's control at all. Quite the opposite- they intend to control her.
Nor are they angry feminists! This cabal transcends such pedestrian concerns.

They are used to choosing, and they're pissed. They've been snubbed by voters donating $68.00 at a time.

They are punishing the blue team for not delivering the right candidate.

Nothing to do with politics- straight ahead ROI. (for you French speakers- pun intended)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:01 AM
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16. These are the ones, I bet. The ones who threatened Dean about FL
Edited on Fri Jul-18-08 09:03 AM by madfloridian
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Diamonique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:03 AM
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19. When are they gonna stop calling these people "Clinton supporters"?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:04 AM
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20. Those large donors were, I think.
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Diamonique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:06 AM
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22. Yeah, but they certainly aren't anymore.
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 10:03 AM
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62. Why aren't they?
They clearly don't support Obama, and Hillary only suspended her campaign.

I think "Hillary Supporter" is still perfectly apt.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:11 AM
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28. Once again, Hillary is hurt by her inability to rein her backers.
Edited on Fri Jul-18-08 09:12 AM by TexasObserver
This is bad for Hillary. She's perceived as either (1) incapable of leading her own core supporters, or (2) not stopping it when she could stop it.

No one believes they would do this if Hillary had called the leaders of this group and said "please stop this nonsense, you're making ME look bad!"
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:13 AM
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32. I think she has
Edited on Fri Jul-18-08 09:13 AM by Jake3463
and they don't care. These are people looking to buy a seat at the table. It has nothing to do with her or Obama it has to do with access to the Presidency.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:15 AM
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35. If that were true, we would have heard about it.
And Hillary would have put out a statement about doing so. Her silence implies she has NOT done so.

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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:16 AM
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36. Would you put out a statement that you
have limited to no control over the 18 million people who voted for you and the people who donated to you while your trying to get things from the party and the nominee...essentially admitting your a paper tiger to be ignored?
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:21 AM
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42. Yes, I would, if I wanted to have a future in that party.
There is no upside for Hillary failing to make a public, personal statement.

Unless she does more to put a stop to it, most Democrats will rightly conclude she isn't acting because she doesn't really want to stop it.

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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:32 AM
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46. I don't think these people were ever for Hillary
they were for themselves. I'd love to be able to track if these 25 take their GE contribution back.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:55 AM
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57. That's exactly it.
Bill's business deals were not just about speaking engagements. Their "supporters" were banking on another tour through the White House.

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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 10:08 AM
Response to Reply #57
63. and why they asking for a sit down
with McCain. Has nothing to do with Hillary's issues she brought up in the campaign. They want assurances their work on his behalf would be rewarded.

So much for the Maverik...looks like we got Mr. Keating 5 back.

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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:11 AM
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29. These people aren't Democrats. No one who believes in Hillary, could support McCain
In an election so important. The truth is these people are showing their true colors. They're racist. No matter how people try to hide it. No one with core Democratic values would support McCain after Bush in this election.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:51 AM
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54. True. nt
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:11 AM
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30. Fuck 'em. McLame is going to get his ass kicked... they can do whatever they want
If they want to try to raise money for somebody is at opposite ends of their presumed political opinions, then they can waste their time and money on the futile venture.

We'll know who they are.
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Diamonique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:14 AM
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34. They should be paying off Clinton's campaign debt instead of looking to donate to McCain.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:17 AM
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37. I'm sure the names will come out.
It will be interesting to see what economic segments
of the business communities they were lobbying for.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:43 AM
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49. And why they were for the Clintons?
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:12 AM
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31. A so-called Clinton supporter who doesn't support gender or civil rights
these supporters don't care for healthcare, jobs, medicare, Iraq, the environment.

The only thing they care about is how to maximize their profits

They were never TRUE Democrats


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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:26 AM
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43. What would be interesting is when
we have a President Obama they will swear the day and damn
the hour... lets all watch this space ladies and gentlemen...
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PatGund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 11:21 AM
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78. I confess......
I'm looking forward to looking at the various "no deal" and "PUMA" sites both the day after Sen. Obama wins and the day after President Obama takes the oath of office.

The wailing and gnashing of teeth is going to be fun to watch
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Pavlovs DiOgie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:47 AM
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50. Good!
Edited on Fri Jul-18-08 09:57 AM by Pavlovs DiOgie
This means that they weren't able to buy Obama the way they had bought Hillary. Let them throw millions towards McCain - that money will do them as good as Romney's $45M did him. Obama's going to be president, and is going to be beholden to the $68 donations he is getting now of millions of people. It seems like CHANGE is in the wind.
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:52 AM
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55. sounds like the moles who were trying to get hill elected
at the behest of their republicon masters are returning to the fold.

i hope hillary renounces them. yeah, like that's gonna happen! imo, hillary should be very front and center with her support of obama . . . but she is not.

ellen fl
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 10:25 AM
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73. There is only so much she can do
She has publicly endorsed him and introduced him to her top fundraisers and asked them to support him.

These people have probably invested alot into a Clinton Presidency. Like Kristi said above this includes Bill's speaking fees and library donations as well. They weren't in it for her healthcare plan.

I don't criticise her for not doing enough for Obama right now. I criticise her for associating with these people in the first place.
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MrsT Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:56 AM
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59. Either these people have a collective IQ of 75 or
they never truly supported the policies of Sen. Clinton to begin with.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 10:10 AM
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65. ding ding ding
we have a winner.
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 10:14 AM
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68. I think it's the IQ, honestly.
Why would they have supported Clinton at all then?

I don't think that they understood Democratic policies while they were supporting her.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 10:21 AM
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70. Its about money and influence.
By and large, these types of donors are buying influence and many send money to candidates in both parties to hedge their bets.

I think you're spot on with respect to how little they care about progressive policies.

:hi:
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 12:04 PM
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85. mrs t?omg !i love that bloody mary mix ...you go girl!
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 10:02 AM
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60. We need names of the 25, so we never let them try to convince of us anything again.
I'm so disgusted with these people I could just spit.

All I can see in my head is a crying, sweating, screetching PUMA, strapped in C4, screaming that it'll do it. There's nothing left except to somehow prove (while self-injuring) that we should be held hostage to their will. It's the mindset of a confused and angry teenager.

"If I can't have my way, they'll ALL pay! All of them!"

I hold conservatives in higher regard than these breathing piles of human excrement.
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BklynChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 10:24 AM
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71. that's absolutely disgusting
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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 10:28 AM
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74. These are folks that think their money can influence policy.
They think that by giving massive bundled contributions they can get favorable legislation. It doesn't work with Obama since his fund raising model brings in 52 million dollars at an average of $68 per person. Their influence would be muted if they bundled contributions for him. McCain needs big donors and has proven that he'll sell his soul for a buck.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 11:13 AM
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75. man I really don't get the whole clinton vs. obama thing. I would
vote for either one of them. there are things I don't like about hillary and there are things I don't like about obama. but to me if you're a true progressive dem you would vote for whoever the party sends to the mike.

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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 11:19 AM
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77. First Clue: ARTICLE IN THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
Edited on Fri Jul-18-08 11:26 AM by Median Democrat
Consider the source. Like Fox News, the Wall Street Journal is owned by News Corp. Eamine who is quoted, and what they actually are saying versus what is a paraphrase or characterization.

Second clue, look at some of the folks quoted as being big money Hillary supporters. Glasscock, for example, is only listed as a $500.00 contributor to Hillary. Sizable yes, but not exactly "big money."
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 11:33 AM
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79. Let them do it, Obama will still defeat the Old Man
and it will go down in history that Clintonites got in bed with Repukes in 2008
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NattPang Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 12:04 PM
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84. Are we supposed to care?
Because to be honest,
I don't.
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